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you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.

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On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 18:11:04 -0500, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-

promotes-

measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.

There is an SF story about that, sort of. It's called "The
Waveries" by Frederick Brown. It's about a deluge of radio signals
that turn out to be early earthly radio broadcasts that have been
bounced back at us. What we're seeing in the public sphere
currently is something analagous: a whole bunch of century-old
cultural memes being bounced back at us. Allusion to real early
20th century medical practices is just one of them. Think about
it: tariffs, immigration, a war (Ukraine) full of imagery
resembling World War II. So it goes. The parsimonious interpretation
of all this is that the nation has been rented out to some sort of
theatrical production.
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On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.

You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.

That said, yes, of course, idiots walk among us. Are you just now
noticing that? :-)
--
Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
"They were careless people ... they smashed up things
and creatures and then retreated back into their money
or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept
them together, and let other people clean up the mess
they had made." --F. Scott Fitzgerald, THE GREAT GATSBY
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On 3/8/2025 4:30 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right?-a So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.

I remember such "parties" for German Measles (Rubella), but not for
Measles.
--
Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
Such commentary has become ubiquitous on the Internet and is widely
perceived to carry no indicium of reliability and little weight.
(Digital Media News v. Escape Media Group, May 2014).
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On Fri, 07 Mar 2025 18:11:04 -0500, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote: >https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canAt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >suspension of disbelief.

Ah, the Representative from QAnon.
Neatly balanced by the Representative from Hamas.
Both promoting child-killing behaviors.
As Ayn Rand pointed out, at the extremes, right and left are
indistinguishable.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On Mar 8, 2025, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote
(in article <vqh2n1$2tjk$1@dont-email.me>):

On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.

You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.

not around my parents. they were epidemiologists. Tropical disease specialists, which is why the family spent a lot of time in Africa and the Caribbean. someone suggesting a measles party would have been invited to go outside and play with the hippos.

That said, yes, of course, idiots walk among us. Are you just now
noticing that? :-)

i didnrCOt think that even MTG was _this_ stupid.

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In article <0001HW.2D7BB48800F8D22B70000998A38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote: >https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >suspension of disbelief.

As someone on the conservative side, I find MTG to be a
<deleted> embarrasment.

Yeah, before the vaccine was invented, there were two
approaches to measles -- strict quarantine, which was not
very effective because measles is one of (if not the) most
contagious viruses in existence, and, yes, measles parties,
on the theory that everybody was going to get it, regardless,
and the earlier it could be gotten over, the better. As an
old geezer, I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox... they
did have polio, diptheria, whooping cough, smallpox, and
tetanus vaccines, so I was vaccinated against those.

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.

Brain damage, deafness, blindness, death ... A six year
old child died of measles in Texas just the other day.

... also got the vaccines for Covid and all boosters,
pneumonia, RSV, the yearly flu shot... and due to a
business trip to India, hepatitis and typhus. Maybe
something else, I forget.
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
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Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the virus
is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some (long string of
weapons-grade expletives) to break that out of the freezer and
inflict it on the world again.

That may not be the only way it can happen. At a book signing I asked
James Watson if a terrorist could synthesize smallpox, given that its
complete genome is in the open literature. He said no, but he looked
very uncomfortable when answering, so I'm skeptical.

A few weeks later, Keith Marshall (a fellow local SF fan) asked me if
I was the one who asked him that. It turned out that the event was
carried via radio, and he was listening, and recognized my voice.

... also got the vaccines for Covid and all boosters, pneumonia,
RSV, the yearly flu shot... and due to a business trip to India,
hepatitis and typhus.

Covid is the only thing I've been vaccinated for in this century.

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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In article <vqi4q7$9je$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

I've had the flu a few times. To quote a character from
Schlock Mercenary, "I've had fun before, and this is not it."
And, having hit the 70s, influenza is more of a real threat
than it was when I was younger. (Barring a Spanish Flu style
"Make your own immune system kill you with a cytokine storm"
type infection.)
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
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Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.

You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right?-a So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be perfectly accurate.

We had one of those when I was a kid in the 1950s. We called it
Kindergarten.

William Hyde


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Keith F. Lynch wrote:

Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the virus
is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some (long string of
weapons-grade expletives) to break that out of the freezer and
inflict it on the world again.

That may not be the only way it can happen. At a book signing I asked
James Watson if a terrorist could synthesize smallpox, given that its complete genome is in the open literature. He said no, but he looked
very uncomfortable when answering, so I'm skeptical.

A few weeks later, Keith Marshall (a fellow local SF fan) asked me if
I was the one who asked him that. It turned out that the event was
carried via radio, and he was listening, and recognized my voice.

... also got the vaccines for Covid and all boosters, pneumonia,
RSV, the yearly flu shot... and due to a business trip to India,
hepatitis and typhus.

Covid is the only thing I've been vaccinated for in this century.

I've never had a flu shot,

In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century since
then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very few mild ones.


and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least

as an adult.

Now I seethe with envy!

I managed to avoid any respiratory infection from the onset of Covid
until last fall. So far I've had a cold for about 75% of this calendar
year. It's really interfering with my intensive program of doing nothing.


William Hyde

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William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least as an adult.

Now I seethe with envy!

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences, despite
a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not recommend.

I'm reminded of the person who said he avoided getting arthritis by
taking a cold shower every day of his life. To which the response
was, "Oh, you suffer from cold showers instead."
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus protected me all through the scamdemic! =)
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, William Hyde wrote:

as an adult.

Now I seethe with envy!

I managed to avoid any respiratory infection from the onset of Covid until last fall. So far I've had a cold for about 75% of this calendar year. It's
really interfering with my intensive program of doing nothing.

This is not good. =( We will pray for you, and hopefully our faith, and yours, will keep you healthy! =)

William Hyde

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D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects.

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

In the 14th century nearly everyone in Europe had faith in Jesus, but
that didn't protect nearly half of them from dying of the black plague.

I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...

True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.

If only nobody had gotten vaccinated, there would probably be about
five Americans alive today who were killed by it. (And about two
million additional Americans dead today due to covid. But they'd be
with Jesus, so that doesn't count.)

Also, we should ban bathtubs because some people drown in them.
And airplanes because sometimes they crash. And the sun because
skin cancer.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did not >get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus >protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

I am glad to hear you are fully protected against atheism.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On 3/8/25 5:24 PM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I
did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

Since Keith is an atheist, I guess you're saying your faith protected
him. And me, since I'm an atheist and haven't had COVID yet. Your faith
in Jesus may have protected millions of atheists, Muslims, Hindus, etc. worldwide, for which we all thank you.
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least as an adult.

Now I seethe with envy!

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences, despite
a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not recommend.

Is it possible to ever let go of such an injustice? I would personally
seethe with hate until the day of my death unless I would be able to get
some kind of compensation for that theft of life.

I'm reminded of the person who said he avoided getting arthritis by
taking a cold shower every day of his life. To which the response
was, "Oh, you suffer from cold showers instead."

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects.

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it consciously!

In the 14th century nearly everyone in Europe had faith in Jesus, but
that didn't protect nearly half of them from dying of the black plague.

Apparently not enough faith. =(

I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...

True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.

You must look at corona death per age group, and then decide. You cannot
lump them all together.

If only nobody had gotten vaccinated, there would probably be about
five Americans alive today who were killed by it. (And about two
million additional Americans dead today due to covid. But they'd be
with Jesus, so that doesn't count.)

Also, we should ban bathtubs because some people drown in them.
And airplanes because sometimes they crash. And the sun because
skin cancer.

The key is that people should be allowed to do as they please. Then Jesus
will sort everything out according to the degree of peoples belief! =)
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu. Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

I am glad to hear you are fully protected against atheism.
--scott

Thank you scott! Have you invited Jesus into your life?
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On 3/8/2025 2:24 PM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I
did not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

So, Aesculapius and Apollo protected you anyway, despite your praying to
that upstart. :)
--

Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

Tim Merrigan

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On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects.

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know
it consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they
have faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really
have faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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On Mar 8, 2025, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote

On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow suspension of disbelief.

We have in our town a fellow who keeps coming to city council meetings
railing against vaccination, and he has been at it for a decade now.
His argument is that children get diseases from hanging around with
undesirable infected people, and that if parents beat their children
for hanging out with the wrong kind of people that they would not be contracting these childhood diseases.

I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen him get up to speak
on so many occasions.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the virus
is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some (long string of
weapons-grade expletives) to break that out of the freezer and
inflict it on the world again.

That may not be the only way it can happen. At a book signing I asked
James Watson if a terrorist could synthesize smallpox, given that its >complete genome is in the open literature. He said no, but he looked
very uncomfortable when answering, so I'm skeptical.

It's more than just one big protein, so yeah, it's not going to be an
easy job for a terrorist to do. It might be easier to find some in a
freezer somewhere.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2025 13:25:15 -0500, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2025, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote
(in article <vqh2n1$2tjk$1@dont-email.me>):

On 3/7/25 6:11 PM, WolfFan wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >> > measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canAt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.

You do realize that these were a thing back in the 1950s and 1960s,
right? So if someone is writing an SF work set in that era, it would be
perfectly accurate.

not around my parents. they were epidemiologists. Tropical disease >specialists, which is why the family spent a lot of time in Africa and the >Caribbean. someone suggesting a measles party would have been invited to go >outside and play with the hippos.

That said, yes, of course, idiots walk among us. Are you just now
noticing that? :-)

i didnAt think that even MTG was _this_ stupid.

/Never/ underestimate the stupidity of a follower of QAnon. Or Bernie,
for that matter.
And the Schiller quote used by I Asimov:
Against stupidity,
the gods themselves
struggle in vain
tells us how hard it is to deal with stupidity.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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In article <vqi9v6$adaq$1@dont-email.me>, wthyde1953@gmail.com (William
Hyde) wrote:

In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century
since then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very
few mild ones.

I remember some bad bouts of flu over the years, but none since 1995.
Free flu jabs on the NHS weren't available till about ten years ago.

Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.
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Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> writes:

In article <0001HW.2D7BB48800F8D22B70000998A38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote: >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >>measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow >>suspension of disbelief.

As someone on the conservative side, I find MTG to be a
<deleted> embarrasment.

Yeah, before the vaccine was invented, there were two
approaches to measles -- strict quarantine, which was not
very effective because measles is one of (if not the) most
contagious viruses in existence, and, yes, measles parties,
on the theory that everybody was going to get it, regardless,
and the earlier it could be gotten over, the better. As an
old geezer, I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox... they
did have polio, diptheria, whooping cough, smallpox, and
tetanus vaccines, so I was vaccinated against those.

It would have been more likely that the parties, at the time,
were for chickenpox rather than measles. Five years
ago, it was Covid parties. Some people never learn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party
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Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <vqi9v6$adaq$1@dont-email.me>, wthyde1953@gmail.com (William
Hyde) wrote:

In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century
since then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very
few mild ones.

I remember some bad bouts of flu over the years, but none since 1995.
Free flu jabs on the NHS weren't available till about ten years ago.

Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.

Effectiveness varies from year to year, as they have to guess months in advance which strains will dominate in the next flu season. But the
vaccine is never entirely ineffective. Such weak infections as I have
had in recent years came when the guess was a poor one.

But then I am quite susceptible to the disease, or so it seems.

William Hyde
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William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:

Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <vqi9v6$adaq$1@dont-email.me>, wthyde1953@gmail.com (William
Hyde) wrote:

In middle age I had the flu for seven consecutive years, and serious
cases too. Being the ultra-fast thinker that I am, I had an idea:
"What if I get a flu shot?". In the more than a quarter century
since then I've had no serious cases of the flu, and only a very
few mild ones.

[...]

Effectiveness varies from year to year, as they have to guess months
in advance which strains will dominate in the next flu season. But
the vaccine is never entirely ineffective. Such weak infections as I
have had in recent years came when the guess was a poor one.

But then I am quite susceptible to the disease, or so it seems.

I started taking the free jabs from work around 2007. I had never had a
bad flu and have not had one since. I travel to work by public
transport and think the vaccines plus exposure keeps my immune system
working. I did get covid once in late 2020: fully immunised and had
symptoms for a few hours one day, got tested and found positive. Had no
further symptoms.
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D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not
recommend.

Is it possible to ever let go of such an injustice?

I don't know. You'd have to ask the Commonwealth of Virginia.

People ask me why I keep going on about something that happened 48
years ago. I respond that it's not something that happened 48 years
ago. It's something that started 48 years ago and is continuing.
You'd think that after nearly half a century, the state would decide
that I was either innocent or had long since reformed. Especially
since my record is otherwise perfectly clean before and since. And
since the crime victim hired me, sight unseen, directly out of prison,
as he knew I was innocent. And since the federal government issued
me a security clearance after I explained the circumstances of my
wrongful conviction on my SF-86 form.

Living well is the best revenge.

Today, most Americans realize that the government can't be trusted,
and that police can be trusted least of all. A YouTube video titled
"Don't Talk to the Police," by a law professor here in Virginia, has
20 million hits. The one thing that Biden and Trump agree on was
that the justice system has been weaponized and lots of people need
pardons.

DNA has proven that thousands of Americans were falsely convicted of
serious crimes. And of course in the vast majority of case, including
mine, there never was any DNA evidence, and there's no reason to
think the error rates in those cases were any lower. So for every
exonerated person there are probably hundreds of equally innocent
people who were never exonerated.

I have contributed to that atmosphere of healthy skepticism by
choosing to be "out of the closet" as a falsely convicted felon,
although I probably would have had an easier life had I kept it a
secret. Lots of people have confided in me that similar or worse
things have happened to them, but they didn't dare mention it.
Much like gays before Stonewall.

I'm convinced that there are far more falsely convicted Americans than
there are LGBTQ+ Americans. And that everyone deserves equal rights.

I would personally seethe with hate until the day of my death unless
I would be able to get some kind of compensation for that theft of life.

Compensation from whom? Taxpayers? Most of the are just as innocent
as I am. Those who were responsible for my wrongful conviction? Most
of them are long dead.

Of course major changes still need to be made. The Reid Technique
needs to be abolished, as do plea bargains, qualified immunity, and
bogus forensic science. Every accused person should get a fair
trial whether they want one or not, and as much should be spent on
their defense as on their prosecution. Only under extraordinary
circumstances should an accused person be jailed before conviction.

If these reforms aren't done, then the whole system should be
abolished. We'd be better off without it than with what we have now.

Unfortunately, skepticism has been taken to an unhealthy extreme.
Just because the government lies a lot doesn't mean the moon landings
were faked, Earth is flat, there have been alien autopsies, QAnon and
Pizzagate were real, or vaccines don't work. Only in logic problems
is there anyone who *always* lies.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/8/25 5:24 PM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did >> not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

Since Keith is an atheist, I guess you're saying your faith protected him. And me, since I'm an atheist and haven't had COVID yet. Your faith in Jesus may have protected millions of atheists, Muslims, Hindus, etc. worldwide, for
which we all thank you.

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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Tim Merrigan wrote:

On 3/8/2025 2:24 PM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at least
as an adult.

See! And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important! It protects. I did >> not
get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, but my faith in Jesus
protected me all through the scamdemic! =)

So, Aesculapius and Apollo protected you anyway, despite your praying to that
upstart. :)

I'm not so certain! If they were to fight to the death with the Lirpa,
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects. >>>

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it >> consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not
recommend.

Is it possible to ever let go of such an injustice?

I don't know. You'd have to ask the Commonwealth of Virginia.

People ask me why I keep going on about something that happened 48
years ago. I respond that it's not something that happened 48 years

I can understand why you do that. It is very good! I respect that!

ago. It's something that started 48 years ago and is continuing.
You'd think that after nearly half a century, the state would decide
that I was either innocent or had long since reformed. Especially
since my record is otherwise perfectly clean before and since. And
since the crime victim hired me, sight unseen, directly out of prison,
as he knew I was innocent. And since the federal government issued
me a security clearance after I explained the circumstances of my
wrongful conviction on my SF-86 form.

Living well is the best revenge.

Today, most Americans realize that the government can't be trusted,

This is the truth! As a libertarian I can not be in favour of any
government. Decentralization and people for the win! As a bonus, the government cannot then be weaponized and used to kill 100s of millions.

and that police can be trusted least of all. A YouTube video titled
"Don't Talk to the Police," by a law professor here in Virginia, has

The police has never managed to help me once. Never. They have been great
at wasting my time though, on the 4-5 occasions I've had death threats, assaults and robberies.

20 million hits. The one thing that Biden and Trump agree on was
that the justice system has been weaponized and lots of people need
pardons.

DNA has proven that thousands of Americans were falsely convicted of
serious crimes. And of course in the vast majority of case, including
mine, there never was any DNA evidence, and there's no reason to
think the error rates in those cases were any lower. So for every
exonerated person there are probably hundreds of equally innocent
people who were never exonerated.

I have contributed to that atmosphere of healthy skepticism by
choosing to be "out of the closet" as a falsely convicted felon,
although I probably would have had an easier life had I kept it a
secret. Lots of people have confided in me that similar or worse
things have happened to them, but they didn't dare mention it.
Much like gays before Stonewall.

I'm convinced that there are far more falsely convicted Americans than
there are LGBTQ+ Americans. And that everyone deserves equal rights.

I would personally seethe with hate until the day of my death unless
I would be able to get some kind of compensation for that theft of life.

Compensation from whom? Taxpayers? Most of the are just as innocent

The government. You should get a lot of money as compensation.

as I am. Those who were responsible for my wrongful conviction? Most
of them are long dead.

Sad. Then revenge is not possible. =( I was wronged once by the
government, and after a 1.5 year legal battle I won. It only took 1
year of working 1-2 hours per night (after work) being my own lawyer, and
in the end the enemy withdrew from the battle in order not to get a
precedence that could be used by others in a similar situation.

Of course major changes still need to be made. The Reid Technique
needs to be abolished, as do plea bargains, qualified immunity, and
bogus forensic science. Every accused person should get a fair
trial whether they want one or not, and as much should be spent on
their defense as on their prosecution. Only under extraordinary circumstances should an accused person be jailed before conviction.

If these reforms aren't done, then the whole system should be
abolished. We'd be better off without it than with what we have now.

Unfortunately, skepticism has been taken to an unhealthy extreme.
Just because the government lies a lot doesn't mean the moon landings
were faked, Earth is flat, there have been alien autopsies, QAnon and Pizzagate were real, or vaccines don't work. Only in logic problems
is there anyone who *always* lies.

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Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:

Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.

This is the problem with RNA viruses... the mechanism for them to take over
a cell isn't very good and is prone to major transcription errors. So
the virus doesn't propagate cleanly and you get all of these variants with different antigens. But they are often similar enough that the vaccine
is sometimes helpful even when it isn't spot on.
--scott
--
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On 10/03/25 10:54, D wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects. >>>>

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't
know it consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they
have faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really
have faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?

It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."
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In article <2a1e5175-5b8a-e142-127a-adfc3b617cc5@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

-=-=-=-=-=-

On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at
least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects. >>>>

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my
good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it >>> consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have >> faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have faith. >>
This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?

[Hal Heydt]
I like the construct... WWJD? JWRTFM.

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On 3/10/25 12:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."

Not obvious to me. Gotland sounds like a nice place, and I've been
exploring the Swedish language a bit, at an absolute beginner level, but
other than that I don't get it. Is it a mondegreen for something?
--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 19:39:44 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:

Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck >>whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.

This is the problem with RNA viruses... the mechanism for them to take over
a cell isn't very good and is prone to major transcription errors. So
the virus doesn't propagate cleanly and you get all of these variants with >different antigens. But they are often similar enough that the vaccine
is sometimes helpful even when it isn't spot on.

That's always the excuse when the flu vaccine is an abject failure.
But if /you/ had paid for 50,000,000,000 doses, wouldn't you be trying
to sell them even if you knew they didn't do much?
I'm not anti-vax at all, but I live in an area where herd immunity is
quite high and prefer to coast along. I did get three jabs for the
pandemic, however.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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On 3/10/2025 12:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

In article <2a1e5175-5b8a-e142-127a-adfc3b617cc5@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

-=-=-=-=-=-



On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at >>>>>>> least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects. >>>>>

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my >>>>> good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know it >>>> consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have >>> faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?

[Hal Heydt]
I like the construct... WWJD? JWRTFM.

I like to remind people that 'WWJD' includes
attacking with a whip.

pt
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On 3/9/2025 1:15 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

Mike Van Pelt <usenet@mikevanpelt.com> writes:

In article <0001HW.2D7BB48800F8D22B70000998A38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes- >>> measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a >>> work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.

As someone on the conservative side, I find MTG to be a
<deleted> embarrasment.

Yeah, before the vaccine was invented, there were two
approaches to measles -- strict quarantine, which was not
very effective because measles is one of (if not the) most
contagious viruses in existence, and, yes, measles parties,
on the theory that everybody was going to get it, regardless,
and the earlier it could be gotten over, the better. As an
old geezer, I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox... they
did have polio, diptheria, whooping cough, smallpox, and
tetanus vaccines, so I was vaccinated against those.

It would have been more likely that the parties, at the time,
were for chickenpox rather than measles. Five years
ago, it was Covid parties. Some people never learn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party

Looking in Google ngram, pre-internet mentions of
'measles party' have a big peak around 1958, while
'chicken pox party' peaks around 1989.

Measles vaccines came into wide use in the early 60s,
Chicken pox, to my surprise, didn't get a widely used
vaccine in the US until 1995.

Both peaks die off rapidly when the appropriate vaccine
becomes available.

pt
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Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 3/10/2025 12:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

In article <2a1e5175-5b8a-e142-127a-adfc3b617cc5@example.net>,
D-a <nospam@example.net> wrote:

-=-=-=-=-=-



On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at >>>>>>>> least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It
protects.

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my >>>>>> good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't
know it
consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they
have
faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really
have faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?

[Hal Heydt]
I like the construct...-a WWJD?-a JWRTFM.

I like to remind people that 'WWJD' includes
attacking with a whip.

When some preacher or other was calling for the murder of Chavez (Hugo
or Caesar, not sure if he knew the difference) I was asking WWJA?

William Hyde

pt

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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, Paul S Person wrote:

On Sun, 9 Mar 2025 19:39:44 -0400 (EDT), kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:

Also, I'm told that the virus mutates so much, it's a matter of luck
whether that year's vaccine will work on that year's virus.

This is the problem with RNA viruses... the mechanism for them to take over >> a cell isn't very good and is prone to major transcription errors. So
the virus doesn't propagate cleanly and you get all of these variants with >> different antigens. But they are often similar enough that the vaccine
is sometimes helpful even when it isn't spot on.

That's always the excuse when the flu vaccine is an abject failure.

But if /you/ had paid for 50,000,000,000 doses, wouldn't you be trying
to sell them even if you knew they didn't do much?

I'm not anti-vax at all, but I live in an area where herd immunity is
quite high and prefer to coast along. I did get three jabs for the
pandemic, however.

Herd immunity is the Donald J. Trump of immunities! =D
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2025, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 3/10/2025 12:46 AM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

In article <2a1e5175-5b8a-e142-127a-adfc3b617cc5@example.net>,
D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

-=-=-=-=-=-



On Sun, 9 Mar 2025, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/9/25 7:38 AM, D wrote:

On Sat, 8 Mar 2025, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I've never had a flu shot, and never had the flu.-a Or a cold, at >>>>>>>> least as an adult.

See!-a And _that_ is why faith in Jesus is so important!-a It protects. >>>>>>

But I have no faith in Jesus, so that can't be the explanation for my >>>>>> good health.

Well, it could be that you DO have faith in Jesus, you just don't know >>>>> it
consciously!

Ah, that explains it! If people don't get sick, it follows that they have >>>> faith in Jesus! Presumably then people who get sick don't really have >>>> faith.

This is funny for a while, but it's time for me to block this person.

Why? Is that what Jesus would do? Or would he embrace the other person
with spiritual love?

[Hal Heydt]
I like the construct... WWJD? JWRTFM.

I like to remind people that 'WWJD' includes
attacking with a whip.

Touch|-! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)

pt

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On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:

Touch|-! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)

Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of
terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing
money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.

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On 11/03/25 00:02, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/10/25 12:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."

Not obvious to me. Gotland sounds like a nice place, and I've been
exploring the Swedish language a bit, at an absolute beginner level, but other than that I don't get it. Is it a mondegreen for something?

No. It is a reference to the resident troll's previous postings, his
claim that AGW will be solved when the world population moves to Gotland Island, a reference to his fear of homosexuals who are the only people
who attend opera and the conclusion that he is of the plant kingdom by
being in a paddock.
Please pay attention :-)
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In article <vqk7ud$9hm$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

We have in our town a fellow who keeps coming to city council meetings >railing against vaccination, and he has been at it for a decade now.
His argument is that children get diseases from hanging around with >undesirable infected people, and that if parents beat their children
for hanging out with the wrong kind of people that they would not be >contracting these childhood diseases.

I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen him get up to speak
on so many occasions.

You can't argue the crazy out of crazy people.
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
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In article <vqih90$1pj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...

True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.

This. No vaccine is 100% safe, and no vaccine is 100% effective.
There are always going to be downsides, but is the downside
within orders of magnitude of the upside? With vaccines, no.

I do kind of understand some uneasiness about the Covid
vaccine. When it was Trumps "Operation Warpspeed", many key
Democrats (Andrew Cuomo in particular) were casting aspersions
on it, presumably because it had Trump cooties in it. The day
Biden became president, the sides switched.

Yeah, it was rushed. There was reason for that.

I got the vaccine and boosters (Moderna) because (1) late
60s and (2) diabetic, so significant Covid risk factors.
And I knew some anti-vaxxers personally who died of Covid.

And (3) mRNA vaccines have been around for a while, mostly
used in veterinarian medicine, and the technology is something
we are going to very desperately need when something worse
than Covid pops up. Vaccine for a novel virus in days or
weeks, rather than months or years. I was willing to
be a bit of a guinea pig for that.
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:

On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:

Touch|-! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)

Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:

On 11/03/25 00:02, Gary McGath wrote:

On 3/10/25 12:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

It is obvious even to the untrained reader that "D" really wants Jesus
to take him to that famous pastoral opera:
"Swede Paddock on Gotland Island."

Not obvious to me. Gotland sounds like a nice place, and I've been
exploring the Swedish language a bit, at an absolute beginner level, but
other than that I don't get it. Is it a mondegreen for something?

No. It is a reference to the resident troll's previous postings, his
claim that AGW will be solved when the world population moves to Gotland Island, a reference to his fear of homosexuals who are the only people
who attend opera and the conclusion that he is of the plant kingdom by
being in a paddock.
Please pay attention :-)

It gives me great joy that my art lives on in you! =D Thank you very much
for your praise! =)
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On 11/03/25 22:28, D wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:

On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:

Touch|-! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)

Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of
terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their
property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing
money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.

Wow! I had no idea! Could you expand a bit on that? I am now very curious!

AIPAC. Epstein et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:

On 11/03/25 22:28, D wrote:

On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Titus G wrote:

On 11/03/25 10:08, D wrote:

Touch|-! Reminds me of the story of Trump driving away the money
changers! Jesus clearly got his inspiration from Trump there. =)

Jesus, (caught and put to death about a week later), led his gang of
terrorists on a physical attack on those influential rich Jews and their >>> property who were benefiting by commercialisation of the principal
Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by selling animals for sacrifice and changing >>> money for pilgrims.
Trump shifted the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. AIPAC. Epstein
et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.

Wow! I had no idea! Could you expand a bit on that? I am now very curious!

AIPAC. Epstein et al have as much influence on Republicans as they do Democrats. Twat.

Oh no... that's homo!
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On 11/03/2025 05:49, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <vqih90$1pj$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

I did not get the corona vaccine, because it can cause death, ...

True, it can. It killed almost one percent as many people as driving
or walking to the pharmacy to get the vaccination did. And almost
a hundred-thousandth as many people as covid itself did.

This. No vaccine is 100% safe, and no vaccine is 100% effective.
There are always going to be downsides, but is the downside
within orders of magnitude of the upside? With vaccines, no.

I do kind of understand some uneasiness about the Covid
vaccine. When it was Trumps "Operation Warpspeed", many key
Democrats (Andrew Cuomo in particular) were casting aspersions
on it, presumably because it had Trump cooties in it. The day
Biden became president, the sides switched.

Yeah, it was rushed. There was reason for that.

I got the vaccine and boosters (Moderna) because (1) late
60s and (2) diabetic, so significant Covid risk factors.
And I knew some anti-vaxxers personally who died of Covid.

And (3) mRNA vaccines have been around for a while, mostly
used in veterinarian medicine, and the technology is something
we are going to very desperately need when something worse
than Covid pops up. Vaccine for a novel virus in days or
weeks, rather than months or years. I was willing to
be a bit of a guinea pig for that.

COVID-19 vaccine research wasn't rushed. It was
hastened. Stages of development had money spent
early, when commercially responsible behaviour
would be to wait for earlier trial results.
Some effort was unsuccessful. Some was redundant -
we got several useable vaccines. Some with
risk that was only detectable when millions of
people were vaccinated. Unexpected and novel
blood clot problems. So having more than one
vaccine to use turned out pretty well. Or I
suppose you could take blood clot medicine
atnthe same time.
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In article <vqs2sn$2kp6k$1@dont-email.me>,
Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

COVID-19 vaccine research wasn't rushed. It was
hastened. Stages of development had money spent

Yeah, "hastened" is probably a better word.

One of the science podcasts I listen to (not
quackpottery stuff; the AAAS Science podcast,
CBC's Quirks and Quarks; the British "Naked
Scientists") said something that may explain
some of the ill effects a tiny fraction of
the people experienced with the Covid vaccine.
Apparently the spike protein itself can be
damaging to cells.

Still, it's pretty clear to me it was, net,
a major benefit.
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On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <0001HW.2D7BB48800F8D22B70000998A38F@news.supernews.com>,
WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/marjorie-taylor-greene-promotes-
measles-parties-for-kids-amid-deadly-outbreaks/ar-AA1At4JL

you canrCOt make this up. If someone tried to put this into the plot of a
work of SF, any competent editor would reject it as too stupid to allow
suspension of disbelief.

As someone on the conservative side, I find MTG to be a
<deleted> embarrasment.

Yeah, before the vaccine was invented, there were two
approaches to measles -- strict quarantine, which was not
very effective because measles is one of (if not the) most
contagious viruses in existence, and, yes, measles parties,
on the theory that everybody was going to get it, regardless,
and the earlier it could be gotten over, the better. As an
old geezer, I had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox... they
did have polio, diptheria, whooping cough, smallpox, and
tetanus vaccines, so I was vaccinated against those.

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.

Brain damage, deafness, blindness, death ... A six year
old child died of measles in Texas just the other day.

... also got the vaccines for Covid and all boosters,
pneumonia, RSV, the yearly flu shot... and due to a
business trip to India, hepatitis and typhus. Maybe
something else, I forget.

My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.

Lynn

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On Sat, 8 Mar 2025 22:08:44 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences, despite
a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would not recommend.

Was that felony conviction ever recognized as wrongful?

If so, why would you be suffering any further direct consequences, in
terms of limits to your eligibility for employment, because once the
conviction is vacated, you should no longer have any meaningful or
effective record?

Of course, you could still have other types of life-long consequences,
like PTSD and physical health consequences.

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quadibloc <quadibloc@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith F. Lynch wrote:

I had a wrongful felony conviction instead. Complete with brutal
prison sentence followed by life-long collateral consequences,
despite a perfectly clean record for the past 48 years. Would
not recommend.

Was that felony conviction ever recognized as wrongful?

Yes and no. The crime victim knew I was innocent, and hired me sight
unseen directly out of prison. The federal government knew I was
innocent, and gave me a security clearance. But the Commonwealth of
Virginia never recognized me as innocent. So I'm still officially
a convicted felon to this day, despite having had a perfectly clean
record for all of my 68 years, other than the 11 days I had William
Kelly Shields as a roommate 48 years ago. He went on to get a lengthy
criminal record, including a dishonorable discharge from the Army, and
finally committed suicide in 2004.

Of course, you could still have other types of life-long
consequences, like PTSD and physical health consequences.

My main life-long consequence is that I came down with something
like Trump Derangement Syndrome long before I ever heard of Trump,
i.e. I've long had a profound skepticism of government at every level.
I still believe that police, prosecutors, and jailers are best viewed,
not as protectors or forces for good, but as simply an especially
powerful criminal gang.

I lost my security clearance in 2000, not for any fault on my part,
but because of a moral panic about "criminals" with clearances. We
all know what happened a year later. Very likely the people who would
have learned of the 9/11 attacks in time to prevent them were among
the many who lost their clearances. Feeling safer yet?

I regained my right to vote in 2016, not for any virtue on my part,
but because Virginia's Democratic governor wanted his gang of thugs
to win the 2016 presidential election rather than the rival gang of
thugs, and thought that restoring everyone's right to vote would
contribute to that.
--
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In article <vt9ruj$9tn4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.

My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine >Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.

Yeah, there was some fear that someone in Iraq may have been
harboring a few vials of v. major in a freezer somewhere.
Not sure that was a reasonable fear, though. That's on the
list of "non nuclear things you could do that might very well
get you glassed simultaneously by everyone who has nukes" list.
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On 23/04/25 12:15, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <vt9ruj$9tn4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.

My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine
Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.

Yeah, there was some fear that someone in Iraq may have been
harboring a few vials of v. major in a freezer somewhere.
Not sure that was a reasonable fear, though. That's on the
list of "non nuclear things you could do that might very well
get you glassed simultaneously by everyone who has nukes" list.

My memory is a bit cloudy on this but weren't there serious health
issues for a significant percentage of the US military in Iraq because
of an excess of compulsory vaccinations?
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On 5/3/25 20:04, Titus G wrote:

On 23/04/25 12:15, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

In article <vt9ruj$9tn4$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 3/8/2025 12:56 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

Nobody gets vaccinated against smallpox any more, since the
virus is extinct. In the wild. I grimly await some
(long string of weapons-grade expletives) to break that
out of the freezer and inflict it on the world again.

My former USMC son got the smallpox vaccination from a Navy Corpsman
before his second trip to Iraq in 2007. All 1,500+ men in the Marine
Battalion got the smallpox vaccination.

Yeah, there was some fear that someone in Iraq may have been
harboring a few vials of v. major in a freezer somewhere.
Not sure that was a reasonable fear, though. That's on the
list of "non nuclear things you could do that might very well
get you glassed simultaneously by everyone who has nukes" list.

My memory is a bit cloudy on this but weren't there serious health
issues for a significant percentage of the US military in Iraq because
of an excess of compulsory vaccinations?

With the use of depleted uranium in various warheads the health
complications whould not ber blamed on vaccines but the Middle East is
home to multitudes of infectious diseases. Vaccines generally
strengthen the immune system but if there are no vaccines for specific
diseases then any weakening of the immune system will allow advantagous infections to occur.

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In article <vv6lfm$11vig$2@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >My memory is a bit cloudy on this but weren't there serious health

issues for a significant percentage of the US military in Iraq because
of an excess of compulsory vaccinations?

Probably not. After all these years, nobody still has any idea what
caused Gulf War Syndrome but vaccination side effects aren't even in the
top ten most likely possibilities.

The fact that the location of deployment correlates much higher with the disease than anything else would indicate that whetever caused it was
something on the ground. But nobody is sure just what yet.
--scott
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