So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or (Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatrCOs the singular? rCLJedusrCY?
Saturday, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro observed:
So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or
(Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatrCOs the singular? rCLJedusrCY?
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
Kind of a noun without number? Like flour? [...]
Le 26/07/2026 |a 06:36, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro a |-crit :
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural.
Kind of a noun without number? Like flour? [...]
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flourrCa) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here: <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome.
More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
Saturday, Lawrence DAOliveiro observed:Given the responses, perhaps "deer" would be better (at least in terms
So, whatAs the plural of oJedio? Should it be oJediso, or
(Hebrew-style) oJedimo?
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatAs the singular? oJeduso?
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
More specialized pedias might or might not agree.
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 21:12:39 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Wikipedia suggests that it is spelled the same whether used as a
singular or a plural. Jedi Knight or Jedi Knights is also used, and
the collective term is The Jedi Order.
Everyone who has seen the movies knows it's '(the) Jedi'.
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
Le 26/07/2026 |a 09:37, Your Name a |-crit :
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome.
More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
I don't see 'flours' as cumbersome - and:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=flours%2Ctypes+of+flour&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>
This shows 'flours' as forty times commoner than 'types of flour'.
'Flour' is a 'mass noun' - but one can have more than one mass. The
rains came, I like different butters, he's taking the watersrCa.
Den 26.07.2026 kl. 21.43 skrev Richard Tobin:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought it
was rubbish), and that was much later.
Wikipedia:
began with the original Star Wars film (1977)
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flourrCa) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here: <https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
"Flours" tends to be less often used because it is a bit cumbersome. More often the phrase "types of flour" would be used instead.
I don't see 'flours' as cumbersome - and:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?
content=flours%2Ctypes+of+flour&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en&smoothing=3>
This shows 'flours' as forty times commoner than 'types of flour'.
You started in 1800 ... maybe I should have said "has become less often used".-a :-p
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flourrCa) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
rCLMy garden is full of flours.rCY
rCLMust look very pretty, this time of year.rCY
rCLIrCOm looking for a place to have them ground.rCY
rCLWhy, do they grow on trees?rCY
In article <1785093030-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
Le 26/07/2026 |a 23:40, Your Name a |-crit :
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
The boats are coming etc.? The flour are milled? Can you give an
example of 'flour' behaving as a plural noun?
Le 27/07/2026 |a 00:12, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro a |-crit :
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flourrCa) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
rCLMy garden is full of flours.rCY
rCLMust look very pretty, this time of year.rCY
rCLIrCOm looking for a place to have them ground.rCY
rCLWhy, do they grow on trees?rCY
English is full of homonyms. Context usually sorts them out.
richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) posted:
In article <1785093030-12588@newsgrouper.org>,
athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
A friend of my nephew's was related to someone responsible for
producing the costumes used in the original 1972 film
Surely it wasn't that early. I saw it in the cinema (and thought
it was rubbish), and that was much later.
I was probably wrong about the dates. I never saw the film or any of the sequels.
On 2026-07-27 05:42:17 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 26/07/2026 |a 23:40, Your Name a |-crit :
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the
tigers" or "the boats".
The boats are coming etc.? The flour are milled? Can you give an
example of 'flour' behaving as a plural noun?
-a-a The noun flour can be countable or uncountable. [...]
-a-a Flour as a Plural Noun in Example Sentences:
-a-a-a-a 1.-a We need to buy several bags of flour.
-a-a-a-a 2.-a The shelves were stocked with different types of flour.
-a-a-a-a 3.-a The bakery ordered large quantities of flour.
-a-a-a-a 4.-a She stored the different flours in separate containers.
-a-a-a-a 5.-a They experimented with various flours for the recipe.
-a-a-a-a 6.-a The chef mixed different flours to create a blend.
-a-a-a-a 7.-a The store offered a wide variety of flours.
-a-a-a-a 8.-a The recipe required mixing multiple types of flour.
-a-a-a-a 9.-a The bakers measured the different flours precisely.
-a-a-a-a 10. The gluten-free section had alternative flours available.
-a-a <https://engdic.org/flour-plural-what-is-the-plural-of-flour/>
-a-a Only countable nouns have a plural forum. Uncountable nouns
-a-a (example rCLmilkrCY, rCLflourrCY, rCLwaterrCY) do not have a plural form.
-a-a <https://www.crownacademyenglish.com/plural-forms-english-nouns/> [...]
On 2026-07-27 05:42:19 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 27/07/2026 |a 00:12, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro a |-crit :
On Sun, 26 Jul 2026 08:48:53 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Flour has a plural form, e.g.: different flours (wheat, buckwheat,
maize flourrCa) have different properties.
"Wheat mixtures used in the manufacture of bread-making flours vary
according to the wheats available and the special circumstances of
individual milling businesses" - 'Hansard', quoted here:
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/flour>
You could grow the different varieties in your garden, even.
rCLMy garden is full of flours.rCY
rCLMust look very pretty, this time of year.rCY
rCLIrCOm looking for a place to have them ground.rCY
rCLWhy, do they grow on trees?rCY
English is full of homonyms. Context usually sorts them out.
Ye olde English word, up to about 1830, for "flour" was actually "flower". <https://www.etymonline.com/word/flour>
-a-a Only countable nouns have a plural forum.
Uncountable nouns
-a-a (example rCLmilkrCY, rCLflourrCY, rCLwaterrCY) do not have a plural form.
On 2026-07-26 08:49:10 +0000, Hibou said:
Le 26/07/2026 a 09:37, Your Name a ocrit :
On 2026-07-26 07:48:53 +0000, Hibou said:
"Flour" has two plural versions: "flour" and "flours".
Is 'flour' plural'? These flour? Many flour? I think not.
Yes "flour" is also a plural, e.g. "The flour" similar to "the tigers"
or "the boats".
'Flour' is a 'mass noun' - but one can have more than one mass. The
rains came, I like different butters, he's taking the waters?.
Flour as a Plural Noun in Example Sentences:
1. We need to buy several bags of flour.
2. The shelves were stocked with different types of flour.
3. The bakery ordered large quantities of flour.
1. We need to buy several bags of flour.
"Flour" is not plural. "Bags" is plural.
So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or (Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatrCOs the singular? rCLJedusrCY?
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or
(Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
There is also "Jedayim"
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatrCOs the singular? rCLJedusrCY?
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
ThatrCOs an adjective: rCLFrench -2noun-+rCY, where -2noun-+ defaults to rCLpersonrCY/rCLpeoplerCY if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
rCLShe came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...rCY
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence DAOliveiro wrote:IIRC, there was a "Jedi Temple". If so, then "Jedi window" is
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
ThatAs an adjective: oFrench 2noun+o, where 2noun+ defaults to
opersono/opeopleo if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
oShe came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...o
Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fenntre" ('a door-window').
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:47:43 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
ThatrCOs an adjective: rCLFrench -2noun-+rCY, where -2noun-+ defaults to >>> rCLpersonrCY/rCLpeoplerCY if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
rCLShe came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...rCY >>
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fen|-tre" ('a door-window').
IIRC, there was a "Jedi Temple". If so, then "Jedi window" is
conceivable.
Perhaps it would have a light saber anti-theft device, who can say?
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
And then there's the French disease ...
Le 28/07/2026 |a 08:14, occam a |-crit :
On 26/07/2026 01:35, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or
(Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
There is also "Jedayim"
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
Or is it in fact already a plural? So whatrCOs the singular? rCLJedusrCY? >>
All Jedi are singular - because once a knight is enough.
On 28/07/2026 17:40, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 10:47:43 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 28/07/2026 10:08, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 09:14:19 +0200, occam wrote:
Still "Jedi". (cf. He is French, they are French)
ThatrCOs an adjective: rCLFrench -2noun-+rCY, where -2noun-+ defaults to >>> rCLpersonrCY/rCLpeoplerCY if omitted:
French window
French lesson
French car
French [person]
rCLShe came in through the Jedi window, protected by a silver spoon ...rCY
Eh? What is a Jedi window? Do you mean like a French window? Then you
should know that the French (pl. noun) don't call it a French (adj.)
window. They call it a "porte-fen|-tre" ('a door-window').
IIRC, there was a "Jedi Temple". If so, then "Jedi window" is
conceivable.
Perhaps it would have a light saber anti-theft device, who can say?
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
And then there's the French disease ...
And also French letters... which are for wearing, to prevent catching
the French disease.
On 28/07/2026 17:40, Paul S Person wrote:
I suspect they don't use "french fries" or "french toast" either.
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Does that mean that the French for "French" is "anglais"?
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam wrote:
French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost bread' - because it is
made from stale bread.)
Proust looking for something to make breakfast with in the morning ...
rCL|a la recherche du pain perdurCY ...
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:14:11 +1200, Your Name wrote:
8< selective snip >8
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
I thought the German speakers called them "fritten". It's what we say in Limburg.
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it
is French.)
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 13.32 skrev Hibou:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?a No difference between "pomme de terre"aand "pomme" (apple) in
your mind?
Certainly. It's only in the expression "pommes frites" that "pomme"
means "potatoes". Have you seen French fried apples?
( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it is French.)
There's a Danish name for a vegetable called "jordskok" (earth-'skok').
We also have "artiskok" and "knoldskok". I haven't heard about the
latter until I looked up "skok".
jordskok = Jerusalem artichoke
https://www.kogebog.dk/547/jordskok
artiskok = artichoke https://jeannedarcliving.dk/mad-opskrifter/lkkerier-af-artiskokker
On 31/07/2026 15:14, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 31.07.2026 kl. 13.32 skrev Hibou:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?a No difference between "pomme de terre"aa and "pomme" (apple) in >>>> your mind?
Certainly. It's only in the expression "pommes frites" that "pomme"
means "potatoes". Have you seen French fried apples?
https://heritagecuisines.com/fried-apples-recipe/
P.S. 'Southern' means > N. Orleans means > French
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Le 31/07/2026 |a 08:12, occam a |-crit :
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme"
(apple) in your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as
odd, but then, it is French.)
<Linguistic licence begins>
Faut |-tre une /patate/ pour les confondre.
One has to be a /spud or idiot/ to confuse them.
<As you were>
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad. lb de m0 I.il, scr0obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call ocrisps?o
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
On 01/08/26 11:42, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
Cow chips.
On 01/08/26 11:42, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 23:22:01 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
"Potato chips" also distinguishes them from all the new-fangeled silly
things like "pea chips", "bean chips", "banana chips", "apple chips", etc.
Cow chips.
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 08:09:49 +0100, Hibou wrote:
Oui. Proust would have been all right if he'd had a euro in his pocket
and a baguette vending machine nearby.
<https://pic.infini.fr/3GgtHvOK/uHiLeYYd.jpg> (link valid 15 days)
These can't be good in this heat.
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 01.18 skrev Peter Moylan:
In south-east France, I was told, une papate means a woman's buttocks.
Is that meaning still current?
Larousse doesn't know that meaning:
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais-anglais/patate/58234
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 00.09 skrev Aidan Kehoe:
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are
> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
The description in Oxford Learner's sounds like those I described as "the thin ones", so it's "chips" - which by the way covers many kinds of snacks.
On 2026-07-31 07:12:08 +0000, occam said:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or
without a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually
translates word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?-a No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then,
it is French.)
An apple and a potato are similarish in appearance (a thin skin
surrounding a white-ish inside) and texture, and both go very mushy if
over cooked.-a-a :-)
Much more odd is the Italian word "pomodoro" (tomato), which translates
as "apple of gold".
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 14:55:15 +0200, occam wrote:
I note that you have called Bertel a 'spud'
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
And then there are rCLsilicon chipsrCY, essential to all digital
electronic technology.
(Which a lot of people abbreviate to just rCLtechnologyrCY, as though
there is no other kind.)
(And not to be confused with rCLsilicone chipsrCY, which as far as I know >donrCOt exist: silicone is not a substance that can be formed into >rCLchipsrCY.)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
On 31/07/2026 09:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >> is French.)
You should redirect your odd feelings.
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
So, the Dutch are odder than the French when it comes to their
expressions? Good to know.
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:45:57 +0200, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-07-30 06:52:41 +0000, occam said:
On 29/07/2026 17:56, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 19:39:51 +0200, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:I agree. The sentence as it stands is awkwardly constructed. To clarify: >> >
<snippo "French fries" as something the French would not use>
No one fries calls them 'French fries' - apart from sons-of-Trump -
because they are Belgian. French call French toast 'Pain perdu' ('lost
bread' - because it is made from stale bread.)
Now /that/ is obscure.
Are you saying "yes, the French do not call them 'French fries'" or are >> >> you saying "the sons-of-Trump are Belgian" or something else entirely? >> >
- The French do not call fries 'French fries'
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without
a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates
word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
- The original fries are Belgian (not French).
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by
Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
It is more complicated than that, ><https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patat-frietgrens>
Ah ... the endless depths of popular culture.
On 31/07/2026 09:57, J. J. Lodder wrote:
occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it? No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ( 'Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >> is French.)
You should redirect your odd feelings.
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
So, the Dutch are odder than the French when it comes to their
expressions? Good to know.
On 01/08/26 01:55, s|b wrote:
'spud'... I don't hear that often enough, but when I do I think
of...
<https://trainspotting-film.fandom.com/wiki/Spud>
Spuds, in the potato sense, are still normal AusE.
At school we used to use "spud" for a hole in a sock. Seen through the
hole, you had the impression of seeing a potato.
On 2026-08-01 01:49:56 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
Cow chips.
Maybe Australians eat those, but we don't. :-p
My memory of Belgian menus only had rCLfrittenrCY. I donrCOt remember ever seeing
rCLfriturerCY or rCLfrieten.rCY I do not assert that my memory on this front is
particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now. I can assert that rCRPommesrCL /-ep+omes/ is a
normal German (of Germany) word for what I call rCYchipsrCY and what the estadounidenses usually call rCYFrench fries.rCY
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 05:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
And then there are osilicon chipso, essential to all digital
electronic technology.
(Which a lot of people abbreviate to just otechnologyo, as though
there is no other kind.)
Ah yes, I've heard people saying that they "don't use technology", and
look at me strangely when I say "not even the wheel?"
(And not to be confused with osilicone chipso, which as far as I know
donAt exist: silicone is not a substance that can be formed into
ochipso.)
I thought silicone chips were used as breast implants, and have heard
people speculating on what future archaeologists would say when they
found them on skeletons.
Ar an triochad. lb de m0 I.il, scr0obh s|b:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:14:11 +1200, Your Name wrote:
8< selective snip >8
In Belgium they are called "frites" by French speakers, "frieten" by Dutch speaker, and "friture" by German speakers.
I thought the German speakers called them "fritten". It's what we say in Limburg.
My memory of Belgian menus only had "fritten". I don't remember ever seeing "friture" or "frieten." I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:I suspect it was intended to be understood as "hard work".
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 23:08:22 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:The map appears to call the store a "Friterie". Which, I suppose,
My memory of Belgian menus only had ofritteno. I donAt remember ever seeing >> ofritureo or ofrieten.o I do not assert that my memory on this front is
particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my
memory then was better than it is now. I can assert that aPommeso /?p?mes/ is a
normal German (of Germany) word for what I call ochipso and what the
estadounidenses usually call oFrench fries.o
'frituur' is what we call the place where we buy 'm. This one is very >typical:
<https://tinyurl.com/4v22y2w7>
Original: ><https://www.google.com/maps/place/''t+Stationneke'/@51.0249377,5.3511081,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1sCIHM0ogKEICAgIC3_IKJRQ!2e10!3e12!6shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2Fgps-cs-s%2FAHRPTWnST58GlcgyA3LfX_brNQm7KEByQiCbF-5tho18PkkTAN1CZBcrNr3I799FLM8dkM3JoWA4_8RPImEW2Vx3NdQactLCqwYul5nL-UaPWGc0fHaT4LfRyzEdWQnXhqrPw0M52rGF%3Dw203-h152-k-no!7i4000!8i3008!4m27!1m17!4m16!1m6!1m2!1s0x47c1245451c9a35f:0x4da1979a72cf6b40!2sBoekterheide,+3550+Heusden-Zolder!2m2!1d5.3018565!2d51.0143668!1m6!1m2!1s0x47c1266b9504fa73:0x8648c49ab5de60fc!2sVredelaan,+3530+Houthalen-Helchteren!2m2!1d5.3725274!2d51.0312512!3e0!5i1!3m8!1s0x47c125d7efff5439:0x33e9623c1e6d6073!8m2!3d51.0251089!4d5.3509655!10e5!14m1!1BCgIgAQ!16s%2Fg%2F11c44pngnc?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D>
Although these are becoming rare since they some places refuse giving
them permits.
The menu usually says 'frieten' or 'friet', but spoken language (in my >provence) is 'fritten' or 'frit' (when ordering a baby/small/large/extra >large).
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
Jan--
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
What is it in Dutch, then?
Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> wrote:
My memory of Belgian menus only had "fritten". I don't remember ever seeing "friture" or "frieten." I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now.
So it wasn't that great then.
'Frit', 'fritten' does exist as a Dutch term.
It translates to E. 'frit' 'frits'. (finely ground glass) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frit>
It may exist in Flemish for 'frieten' but I have never seen it.
Alternatively, in some Flemish dialects 'fritten' (verb)
exists as a variant on 'vreten', like German 'fressen' (vulgar).
The map appears to call the store a "Friterie". Which, I suppose,
would be "store that sells frits".
Ar an ch|-ad l|i de m|! L||nasa, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
Den 01.08.2026 kl. 00.09 skrev Aidan Kehoe:
> In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are >>> > called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips". >>>
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
The description in Oxford Learner's sounds like those I described as "the
thin ones", so it's "chips" - which by the way covers many kinds of snacks.
OK.
On first reading I thought that you meant the thin linear chips that McDonaldrCOs serve by rCLthe thin onesrCY = rCLfranske kartoflerrCY = rCLchipsrCY but from
the above you mean the non-linear ones that are usually served cold.
instead, and see how that works out.-- Katy Jennison
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
Jan
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 17:54:00 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
What is it in Dutch, then?
Aardvarken.
Just curious, what's 'pig' in South African? (varken = pig in Dutch)
On 31/07/2026 23:24, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 07:12:08 +0000, occam said:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?a No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in
your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >>> is French.)
An apple and a potato are similarish in appearance (a thin skin
surrounding a white-ish inside) and texture, and both go very mushy if
over cooked.a :-)
Much more odd is the Italian word "pomodoro" (tomato), which translates
as "apple of gold".
And then there's 'pomegranate', of which Wiki says 'known in early
English as "apple of Granada"'.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 09:22:01 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are >>>> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips". >>>What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
I've mentioned this before, but no one believed me.
When I first went to England in 1966 I discovered that chips were
unknown in London.
In every restaurant I ate at, what I called "chips" were referred to on
the menu as "French Fried Potatoes".
And, except in Indian and Chinese restaurants, "rice" on the menu
referred to what I called "rice pudding". I found myself eating in
Indian and Chinese restaurants a lot.
It was only when, after 7 months of driving buses in London, I went
north to Durham that I found chips that were called chips.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 05:29:17 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
And then there are rCLsilicon chipsrCY, essential to all digital
electronic technology.
(Which a lot of people abbreviate to just rCLtechnologyrCY, as though
there is no other kind.)
Ah yes, I've heard people saying that they "don't use technology", and
look at me strangely when I say "not even the wheel?"
(And not to be confused with rCLsilicone chipsrCY, which as far as I know
donrCOt exist: silicone is not a substance that can be formed into
rCLchipsrCY.)
I thought silicone chips were used as breast implants, and have heard
people speculating on what future archaeologists would say when they
found them on skeletons.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 23:08:22 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
My memory of Belgian menus only had rCLfrittenrCY. I donrCOt remember
ever seeing rCLfriturerCY or rCLfrieten.rCY I do not assert that my memory >> on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was
nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now. I
can assert that rCRPommesrCL /-ep+omes/ is a normal German (of Germany)
word for what I call rCYchipsrCY and what the estadounidenses usually
call rCYFrench fries.rCY
'frituur' is what we call the place where we buy 'm. This one is
very typical:
<https://tinyurl.com/4v22y2w7>
... but from the above you mean the non-linear ones that are usually
served cold.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 09:22:01 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones
are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or
"chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
Also in the US, but "chips" alone is also used. "Chips and dip" are
often set out for a party.
On 2026-08-01 09:43:11 +0000, Steve Hayes said:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 09:22:01 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are >>>>> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips". >>>>What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
I've mentioned this before, but no one believed me.
When I first went to England in 1966 I discovered that chips were
unknown in London.
In every restaurant I ate at, what I called "chips" were referred to on
the menu as "French Fried Potatoes".
Only in posh restaurants. Everywhere else calls them chips, as in "fish
and chips" shops or "egg and chips" at a cheap 'greasy spoon diner'.
:-)
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:31:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-08-01 09:43:11 +0000, Steve Hayes said:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 09:22:01 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad|| l|i de m|! I||il, scr|!obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
What do you call what we (and Britain) call rCLcrisps?rCY
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones are >>>>>> called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or "chips". >>>>>
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
I've mentioned this before, but no one believed me.
When I first went to England in 1966 I discovered that chips were
unknown in London.
In every restaurant I ate at, what I called "chips" were referred to on >>> the menu as "French Fried Potatoes".
Only in posh restaurants. Everywhere else calls them chips, as in "fish
and chips" shops or "egg and chips" at a cheap 'greasy spoon diner'.
:-)
I never went to posh restaurants, unless you call Streatham High Street "posh".
J. J. Lodder wrote on 8/1/2026 :
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
That's not Dutch, that is Afrikaans.
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
Jan
Ahh, don't spoil his dad joke.
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 18:24:09 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 17:54:00 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
BTW, it is Aardvark, one word, even in English,
What is it in Dutch, then?
Aardvarken.
Just curious, what's 'pig' in South African? (varken = pig in Dutch)
In SAfE - pig.
In Afrikaans -- vark, plural varke.
I think the Dutch "varken" isd also plural.
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 16:36:42 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> wrote:
My memory of Belgian menus only had "fritten". I don't remember ever seeing "friture" or "frieten." I do not assert that my memory on this front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now.
So it wasn't that great then.
'Frit', 'fritten' does exist as a Dutch term.
It translates to E. 'frit' 'frits'. (finely ground glass) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frit>
It may exist in Flemish for 'frieten' but I have never seen it.
That's because Flemish is spoken, but when we write it's usually decent Standaardnederlands*, although there are subtle differences ('patat').
Though I've seen menus in a frituur saying 'kleine frit/grote frit'.
Usually they say 'friet(en)'.
Alternatively, in some Flemish dialects 'fritten' (verb)
exists as a variant on 'vreten', like German 'fressen' (vulgar).
Which dialects? I've never heard anybody say 'fritten' for 'vreten'.
Over here we say 'fretten' which is vulgar as well.
fritten = frieten
fretten = vreten
On 2026-08-01 08:42:58 +0000, Phil said:This may help. <https://www.thetorah.com/article/how-the-forbidden-fruit-became-an-apple>
On 31/07/2026 23:24, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-07-31 07:12:08 +0000, occam said:
On 30/07/2026 20:02, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Den 30.07.2026 kl. 09.14 skrev Your Name:
Yep. In France they are mostly called "pommes frites" (with or without >>>>>> a hyphen), often shortened to just "frites", which actually translates >>>>>> word-for-word into English as "apple fried".
-ish. "De terre" is understood.
Is it?a No difference between "pomme de terre" and "pomme" (apple) in >>>> your mind? ('Apple of the ground' always struck me as odd, but then, it >>>> is French.)
An apple and a potato are similarish in appearance (a thin skin
surrounding a white-ish inside) and texture, and both go very mushy if
over cooked.a :-)
Much more odd is the Italian word "pomodoro" (tomato), which translates >>> as "apple of gold".
And then there's 'pomegranate', of which Wiki says 'known in early
English as "apple of Granada"'.
The word "apple" was once just a generic term for "fruit". ><https://courtneys.online/an-apple-by-any-other-name/>
That would explain the origins of names like "pomodoro", "pomme de
terre", etc. Other examples, of many, are the banana which used to be
called "Apple of Paradise" and dates which wer called "Finger-apples".
It is also the basis of a theory that the "apple" in the Bible may not
have been an actual apple, but some other fruit.
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 08:48:18 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:And so it does.
The map appears to call the store a "Friterie". Which, I suppose,
would be "store that sells frits".
They sell snacks and burger etc. Can you see a picture of the sign? It
says 'frituur' (not 'patatkraam').
On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 14:28:50 +0200, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:[-]
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 23:08:22 +0100, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
My memory of Belgian menus only had "frittenrC#. I don't remember ever
seeing "friturerC# or "frieten.rC# I do not assert that my memory on this >> front is particularly reliable, but at that point I was nineteen or
twenty, and my memory then was better than it is now. I can assert that
reNPommes" /?p?mes/ is a normal German (of Germany) word for what I call >> rC#chipsrC# and what the estadounidenses usually call rC#French fries.rC#
'frituur' is what we call the place where we buy 'm. This one is very >typical:
<https://tinyurl.com/4v22y2w7>
Original:
Although these are becoming rare since they some places refuse giving
them permits.
The menu usually says 'frieten' or 'friet', but spoken language (in my >provence) is 'fritten' or 'frit' (when ordering a baby/small/large/extra >large).
The map appears to call the store a "Friterie". Which, I suppose,
would be "store that sells frits".
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 18:15:32 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-08-02 03:39:15 +0000, Steve Hayes said:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:31:47 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-08-01 09:43:11 +0000, Steve Hayes said:
On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 09:22:01 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:
On 01/08/26 08:09, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an triochad. lb de m0 I.il, scr0obh Bertel Lund Hansen:
In Danish we have "pomme fritter" or just "fritter". The thin ones >>>>>>> are called "franske kartofler = French potatoes" (oldfashioned) or >>>>>>> "chips".
What do you call what we (and Britain) call "crisps?"
In Australia these are called "potato chips". The first word is
essential, to distinguish them from plain chips.
I've mentioned this before, but no one believed me.
When I first went to England in 1966 I discovered that chips were
unknown in London.
In every restaurant I ate at, what I called "chips" were referred to on >>>> the menu as "French Fried Potatoes".
Only in posh restaurants. Everywhere else calls them chips, as in "fish >>> and chips" shops or "egg and chips" at a cheap 'greasy spoon diner'.
:-)
I never went to posh restaurants, unless you call Streatham High Street
"posh".
"Posh restaurant" ... anywhere that does not have the menu stuck on the >wall behind the counter. ;-)
That was where I most frequently saw it -- on walls behind the
counter.
On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 09:57:58 +0200, J. J. Lodder wrote:
The French have it from Dutch 'aardappel',
Yeah, but keeping all that straight sounds too much like aard vark ...
So, whatrCOs the plural of rCLJedirCY? Should it be rCLJedisrCY, or (Hebrew-style) rCLJedimrCY?
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