• Another nation trivia question (was Re: MT VOID, 12/26/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 26, Whole Number 2412)

    From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Wed Jan 14 15:31:18 2026
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    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    Cocos-Keeling is not a nation.

    Thanks. That would explain why I didn't find it. So I guess it's
    just Jamaica whose national flag contains no red, no white, and
    no blue.

    I agree that far too many nations use the same set of colors.
    Ideally, no two would use the same set.

    How many distinct colors are there? Being male, I will say just ten.
    I'll use the ones from the resistor color code, whose mnemonic is
    "Bad boys rape our young girls behind victory garden walls." (Black,
    brown, red (or maroon or crimson), orange, yellow (or gold), green,
    blue, violet (or purple), gray, and white.) As such, there are 1024
    possible distinct subsets of colors. 1023 if you exclude the empty
    set. That's far more than enough for every nation, with room for
    future expansion.

    Then there would be juse one red, white, and blue flag. And just one
    blue and yellow flag -- Ukraine can fight Sweden over who gets to
    keep it.

    Here's a new national trivia question: What do these nations all have
    in common? Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Lichteinstein, South
    Africa, Tanzania, Turkiye, the United Kingdom, and Zambia? (Gary,
    please don't answer, as we discussed this at Philcon.)
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  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Wed Jan 21 08:05:47 2026
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    Still waiting for an answer.

    On 1/14/26 10:31, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    Cocos-Keeling is not a nation.
    Thanks. That would explain why I didn't find it. So I guess it's
    just Jamaica whose national flag contains no red, no white, and
    no blue.

    I agree that far too many nations use the same set of colors.
    Ideally, no two would use the same set.

    How many distinct colors are there? Being male, I will say just ten.
    I'll use the ones from the resistor color code, whose mnemonic is
    "Bad boys rape our young girls behind victory garden walls." (Black,
    brown, red (or maroon or crimson), orange, yellow (or gold), green,
    blue, violet (or purple), gray, and white.) As such, there are 1024
    possible distinct subsets of colors. 1023 if you exclude the empty
    set. That's far more than enough for every nation, with room for
    future expansion.

    Then there would be juse one red, white, and blue flag. And just one
    blue and yellow flag -- Ukraine can fight Sweden over who gets to
    keep it.

    Here's a new national trivia question: What do these nations all have
    in common? Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Lichteinstein, South
    Africa, Tanzania, Turkiye, the United Kingdom, and Zambia? (Gary,
    please don't answer, as we discussed this at Philcon.)
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    nationalism is akin to believing that onerCOs child can do no wrong.
    --Robin Givhan


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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 02:07:50 2026
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    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    Still waiting for an answer.

    Here's a new national trivia question: What do these nations all have
    in common? Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Lichteinstein, South
    Africa, Tanzania, Turkiye, the United Kingdom, and Zambia?

    Each of those nations shares the tune of their national anthem with
    another. For instance Estonia and Finland use the same tune for their
    anthems. And one tune is used by three different African nations.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 06:30:17 2026
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    HererCOs mine.

    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?
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  • From Tim Merrigan@tppm@ca.rr.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 00:23:52 2026
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    On 1/21/2026 10:30 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    HererCOs mine.

    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    United States, Canada, Can't think of a third off hand


    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Japan, don't know of others
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 10:39:16 2026
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    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other >countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.
    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but now
    drive on the other.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 15:46:32 2026
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    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most
    other countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.

    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    Was France ever part of the British Empire? There wasn't any British
    Empire until the 1707 Act of Union.

    You May be thinking of the Angevin Empire, which included both England
    and parts of France. But people didn't drive on either side of the
    road in those days, as cars hadn't yet been invented.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    Ireland was definitely part of the British Empire.

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but
    now drive on the other.

    True. The same with Austrria. I won't mention who was responsible
    for *that* change.
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  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 10:57:00 2026
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    On 1/22/26 10:39, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other
    countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.
    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but now
    drive on the other.
    --scott

    Ireland was never part of the British empire? Really?

    Try Suriname and Japan.
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  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 11:02:03 2026
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    On 1/22/26 10:46, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most
    other countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.

    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    Was France ever part of the British Empire? There wasn't any British
    Empire until the 1707 Act of Union.

    You May be thinking of the Angevin Empire, which included both England
    and parts of France. But people didn't drive on either side of the
    road in those days, as cars hadn't yet been invented.

    Actually, the custom/rule of driving on the left goes back possibly to
    the Romans, and certainly to the Middle Ages.

    (Carts.)
    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
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    nationalism is akin to believing that onerCOs child can do no wrong.
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  • From Tim Merrigan@tppm@ca.rr.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 11:29:26 2026
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    On 1/22/2026 7:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other
    countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.
    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but now
    drive on the other.
    --scott

    Ireland doesn't qualify. It's been a British/English
    possession/occupied territory off and on for hundreds of years, might as
    well say Scotland.
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 16:53:17 2026
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    On 1/22/2026 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other
    countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.
    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but now
    drive on the other.

    I was living in Sweden when the switch happened. It was ... interesting.

    pt
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jan 22 22:29:38 2026
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    On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 10:39:16 -0500 (EST)
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    As you may know, most countries that were once part of the British
    empire drive their cars on the left side of the road, while most other >countries drive on the right side of the road.

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire, >that drive on the right side of the road?

    The US, Canada, and France.
    You have to go pretty far back for that third one, though.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Thailand, Ireland. East Timor.

    Ireland doesn't qualify, as other have said

    And then there is Sweden where they used to drive on one side but now
    drive on the other.
    R


    Simple enough:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/Driving_standards_historic.svg/500px-Driving_standards_historic.svg.png

    Japan, Mozambique, Suriname
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jan 23 03:09:17 2026
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    On Thu, 22 Jan 2026 00:23:52 -0800, Tim Merrigan wrote:

    On 1/21/2026 10:30 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Can you name three countries that were once part of the British empire,
    that drive on the right side of the road?

    United States, Canada, Can't think of a third off hand

    Nigeria.

    And conversely, can you name three countries that were never part of
    the British empire, where they drive on the left side of the road?

    Japan, don't know of others

    Indonesia, Thailand.
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Jan 23 15:59:00 2026
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    In article <10ku68e$3chc6$3@dont-email.me>, petertrei@gmail.com (Cryptoengineer) wrote:


    I was living in Sweden when the switch happened. It was ...
    interesting.

    I don't think it was Sweden, but I remember an item in a book of
    newspaper misprints and odd press stories:

    [Country X] is going over to driving on the right. The change will be
    made gradually.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sat Jan 24 22:36:48 2026
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    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    You may be thinking of the Angevin Empire, which included both
    England and parts of France. But people didn't drive on either
    side of the road in those days, as cars hadn't yet been invented.

    Actually, the custom/rule of driving on the left goes back possibly
    to the Romans, and certainly to the Middle Ages.

    (Carts.)

    I'm skeptical. How did Britain and the US end up driving on different
    sides if they started out driving on the same side?

    I expect that when traffic moved at a walking pace that there were no
    rules, and everyone went every which way, as pedestrians still do.
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sat Jan 24 18:21:26 2026
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    On 1/24/26 5:36 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I'm skeptical. How did Britain and the US end up driving on different
    sides if they started out driving on the same side?

    I expect that when traffic moved at a walking pace that there were no
    rules, and everyone went every which way, as pedestrians still do.

    Long before cars, horse-drawn vehicles moved at a faster pace and
    couldn't get out of each other's way as easily as pedestrians.

    According to a CNN article, the Philadelphia and Lancaster Turnpike
    Road, opened in 1795, had a rule to stay to the right. The author
    attributes that choice to the design of the Conestoga wagon, which has
    the controls on the left side, encouraging the wagon driver to keep the vehicle to the right so the driver would be in the middle of the road. Personally, I'd rather be on the outside, where I'd be less likely to be
    hit by a runaway wagon.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/02/business/why-americans-drive-on-the-right-and-the-british-on-the-left
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Feb 10 04:55:56 2026
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    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I'm skeptical. How did Britain and the US end up driving on
    different sides if they started out driving on the same side?

    I expect that when traffic moved at a walking pace that there were no
    rules, and everyone went every which way, as pedestrians still do.

    Long before cars, horse-drawn vehicles moved at a faster pace and
    couldn't get out of each other's way as easily as pedestrians.

    According to a CNN article, the Philadelphia and Lancaster Turnpike
    Road, opened in 1795, had a rule to stay to the right.

    I just watched the Thoughty2 YouTube Video, "The London Underground
    Has Secrets You Wouldn't Expect." It shows film and still photos of
    what London traffic looked during the Victorian era. Sure enough,
    it appears to be random. And at 3:17, two horse-drawn carriages are
    driving on the right.
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  • From Bernard Peek@bap@shrdlu.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Feb 10 21:22:05 2026
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    On 2026-02-10, Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I'm skeptical. How did Britain and the US end up driving on
    different sides if they started out driving on the same side?

    I expect that when traffic moved at a walking pace that there were no
    rules, and everyone went every which way, as pedestrians still do.

    Long before cars, horse-drawn vehicles moved at a faster pace and
    couldn't get out of each other's way as easily as pedestrians.

    According to a CNN article, the Philadelphia and Lancaster Turnpike
    Road, opened in 1795, had a rule to stay to the right.

    I just watched the Thoughty2 YouTube Video, "The London Underground
    Has Secrets You Wouldn't Expect." It shows film and still photos of
    what London traffic looked during the Victorian era. Sure enough,
    it appears to be random. And at 3:17, two horse-drawn carriages are
    driving on the right.

    The images might have been reversed. Is there any visible text showing?
    --
    Bernard Peek
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  • From Tim Merrigan@tppm@ca.rr.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Feb 10 22:20:28 2026
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    On 2/10/2026 1:22 PM, Bernard Peek wrote:
    On 2026-02-10, Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    I'm skeptical. How did Britain and the US end up driving on
    different sides if they started out driving on the same side?

    I expect that when traffic moved at a walking pace that there were no
    rules, and everyone went every which way, as pedestrians still do.

    Long before cars, horse-drawn vehicles moved at a faster pace and
    couldn't get out of each other's way as easily as pedestrians.

    According to a CNN article, the Philadelphia and Lancaster Turnpike
    Road, opened in 1795, had a rule to stay to the right.

    I just watched the Thoughty2 YouTube Video, "The London Underground
    Has Secrets You Wouldn't Expect." It shows film and still photos of
    what London traffic looked during the Victorian era. Sure enough,
    it appears to be random. And at 3:17, two horse-drawn carriages are
    driving on the right.

    The images might have been reversed. Is there any visible text showing?


    I remember seeing an episode of Power Rangers, allegedly set in America,
    where they showed one of the regular (non PR) characters driving, where
    they'd obviously taken a scene originally shot for the Japanese version
    and reversed the print, so it looked like the steering wheel was on the
    left.
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Feb 12 10:11:45 2026
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    On 2/9/26 11:55 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    I just watched the Thoughty2 YouTube Video, "The London Underground
    Has Secrets You Wouldn't Expect." It shows film and still photos of
    what London traffic looked during the Victorian era. Sure enough,
    it appears to be random. And at 3:17, two horse-drawn carriages are
    driving on the right.

    Overall, it shows more driving on the left than the right. I'm skeptical
    of those clips. The Victorian Era ended in 1901, and the quality looks
    better than the film technology of the time.
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