• MT VOID, 11/07/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 19, Whole Number 2405

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    THE MT VOID
    11/07/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 19, Whole Number 2405

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 26 (SHE (1911, 1925, 1935, 1965),
    THE VENGEANCE OF SHE (1968)) (film comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Peter Watkins, 1935-2025, R.I.P. (comments
    by Mark R. Leeper)
    Bad News from Alpha Centauri A (pointer to article)
    Is China REALLY winning the race to the Moon against NASA
    and SpaceX? (comments by Gregory Frederick)
    THE STONE TAPE (letter of comment by Paul Dormer)
    This Week's Reading (THE GREAT GATSBY)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 26 (film comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    SHE (1911): This is the fourth film version of H. Rider Haggard's
    novel, but (I believe) the first surviving one. It is also only 24
    minutes long. The title character is played by Marguerite Snow.

    I suppose one should be pleased that the title card for the
    location refers to a rock called the Negro's Head, as opposed to
    what one might have expected in 1911. The rock also looks more
    like a Mount-Rushmore-style carving that a naturally formed rock,
    though the novel describes it only as "a peak ... shaped like the
    head of a negro" and "a great rock cavern like the head of an
    Ethiopian." (Unless some sloppy typesetter replaced "carved" with
    "cavern" and the error never got corrected.)

    This version claims the fire itself has changed, causing "She" to
    grow old. It also announces this on a title card *before* we see
    the sene--talk about ruining the surprise!

    Released theatrically 26 December 1911.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0001877/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/she-1911>


    SHE (1925): The title character is played by Betty Blythe. Her
    first film was in 1916, her last was MY FAIR LADY in 1964, making
    her career almost as ageless as Ayesha. (Ironically one of her
    early films was the 1921 FAIR LADY, no connection.)

    This is feature-length (the IMDb says 69 minutes, but it is
    actually about 95 minutes), so we see more characters than in the
    1911 version: Ustane, Billali, and so on. (There appear to have
    been two more short versions in 1916 and 1917, now apparently
    lost.)

    Leo Vincey's father says of Leo, "His birth cost me his mother's
    life," as though everything mattered only as it affected him.

    Leo Vincey looks a bit foppish, but that may just be the different
    time (and acting style).

    Here the rock is the Ethiopian's head.

    This adds a bit of raciness when Ayesha steps into the flame--she
    removes her clothing (which presumably would not survive the
    fire), but her "very long and convenient hair" (as Raymond
    Chandler would have said), and then the flames (actually colored
    streamers) manage to conceal all the naughty bits (or "the
    Midlands", as one character calls them in MRS. HENDERSON PRESENTS).

    Released theatrically 21 June 1925.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0016338/reference>


    SHE (1935): This was produced by Merian C. Cooper and written by
    Ruth Rose, so the language of the cave dwellers sounds a lot like
    that of the Nias islanders. Also, the giant gate is from KING
    KONG, and Max Steiner did the music. And the contemporary love
    interest is played by Helen Mack, who was in SON OF KONG. The
    title character is played by Helen Gahagan, later Helen Gahagan
    Douglas, who went on to serve in the United States Congress. (She
    also coined Richard Nixon's nickname, "Tricky Dick".) It also has
    Nigel Bruce, who plays a bumbler long before he took on that role
    in the Sherlock Holmes films.

    In this version Leo Vincey is from an American branch of the
    family (to explain the accent, I suppose). (By the time of THE
    WOLF MAN, apparently only a few years in America was enough to
    change someone's accent.)

    Another change is that Ayesha's land is in the Russian polar
    regions rather than Africa. (H. Rider Haggard probably spun a few
    times in his grave over that.) Her realm is also very Art Deco.

    This depiction of Ayesha was the inspiration for the Wicked Witch
    in SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARVES.

    And at the end there is a sacrificial ceremony, where the
    participants dance around in a circle, sometimes shot from an
    angle that reminds one of Busby Berkeley numbers, or the June
    Taylor Dancers on the old JACKIE GLEASON SHOW. What with that, and
    the language, and the gate, there may be more of Cooper and Rose
    than of Haggard in this version.

    You can tell this is post-Code: Leo doesn't talk about waiting for
    Ayesha's reincarnation, but settles down with Englishwoman Tanya,
    who makes a sappy speech about home and family. And Holly suggests
    that while it might have been an overdose of radiation, it also
    might have been the hand of God.

    Released theatrically 12 July 1935.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026983/reference>


    SHE (1965): This is the fifth version of the story. Apparently the
    1935 version was considered definitive enough to discourage any
    remakes. Then again, in the sound era, the push for remakes of
    films every few years seemed to have died out. (However, sequels
    became more popular.) The title character is played by Ursula
    Andress, with her voice dubbed by Nikki van der Zyl (who also
    dubbed her in DR. NO).

    This is Hammer's version, so naturally it starts out with Holly,
    Leo, and Job in a bar with a lot of scantily clothed belly
    dancers. After a somewhat gratuitous bar fight, the three of them
    go off in search of a lost city in the Mountains of the Moon. This
    looks at least somewhat more Egyptian than the 1935 Art Deco
    version.

    As with the other versions, the residents of Ayesha's city are
    pretty much Caucasian (or vaguely Middle Eastern), while the cave
    dwellers are definitely black. How the very blond Ursula Andress
    is passed off as Egyptian is not clear.

    In this version, as in the 1925 version, Leo *does* enter the
    flame, and so he is now immortal and Ayesha is dead.

    Released theatrically 18 April 1965.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059710/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1068459-she>


    THE VENGEANCE OF SHE (1968): This starts with a truly lame theme
    song. (Ever since Dmitri Tiomkin realized he could make extra
    money if there was a theme song that could be marketed as a
    single, we have been subjected to a varying quality of theme songs
    in movies. James Bernard based his themes on the titles, but
    didn't put words to them.)

    Anyway, this starts out in the "then-present", as Mark dubbed the
    period contemporaneous with when a movie was made.

    Carol, a rather spaced-out woman endowed with "busty substances"
    (as Peter Cook and Dudley Moore would say), is hitchhiking and is
    picked up by a sleazy truck driver who tries to rape her, but his
    truck mysteriously puts itself into gear and runs over him.

    She wanders to a port on the Riviera, and swims out (in her
    underwear) and boards a yacht owned by George (played by Colin
    Blakely, who played Matthew in A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS). She is
    apparently being mystically drawn to Kuma (with the help of spooky
    music) to become Ayesha, and George's friend Philip goes with her.
    The usual stuff happens, with some political plotting thrown in,
    and eventually Carol breaks out of her trance just in time to
    avoid being forced into the flame, and Killikrates (whose name was
    Kallikrates in SHE) decides eternal life isn't worth it and
    commits suicide by entering the flame a second time. Meanwhile
    Carol gets her long gown caught on something, so Philip rips it
    loose, conveniently leaving just enough skirt on her to pass the
    censor's board.

    There's very little of Haggard left in this one.

    Released theatrically 1 May 1968.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063765/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_vengeance_of_she>

    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Peter Watkins, 1935-2025, R.I.P. (comments by Mark
    R. Leeper)

    The Guardian reports:

    "Peter Watkins, the radical British film-maker who won an Oscar
    for his controversial drama-documentary THE WAR GAME [1966], about
    a nuclear attack on Britain, has died aged 90."

    [The BBC gives his date of death as October 30; the IMDb says
    October 31. His ninetieth birthday was October 29. -ecl]

    Mark was a great admirer of THE WAR GAME, and here are some of his
    comments over the years:

    Comparing THE DAY AFTER to THE WAR GAME:

    Nicholas Meyer said in TV GUIDE that he hoped his film would stand
    up next to Peter Watkins's documentary THE WAR GAME. I cannot
    believe that he was talking about the same THE DAY AFTER that ABC
    showed. If he really had that hope, it must have been based on
    scenes that ended up on the cutting-room floor. Sorry, Nick.

    Comparing TESTAMENT to THE WAR GAME:

    TESTAMENT is well-mounted and well-intentioned, but suffers the
    same problems as all after-the-bomb films (with the exception of
    THE WAR GAME): it concentrates on the luckiest 5% of the
    population and even then is rife with technical inaccuracy.

    Talking about favorite SF films:

    Here is my list of what are my favorite science fiction films. It
    is quirky, but then anybody's favorites list is. ... Strongly
    considered for the list was THE WAR GAME (disqualified only
    because it probably is not usually considered to be a science
    fiction film).

    And talking about being frightened by films:

    After age ten I was never really frightened by anything on the
    theater screen or the television screen. ... I will make one
    exception and say that I was frightened by the Peter Watkins
    pseudo-documentary made for the BBC called THE WAR GAME. With
    what was known about the effects of nuclear war in the late 1960s
    Watkins tried to show what would happen if nuclear war came to
    Britain. It heavily influenced a later British TV movie, THREADS,
    though THREADS lacked the dispassionate BBC narrator explaining
    exactly what was going on. "This is a firestorm. At its center
    temperatures reach 1000 degrees centigrade. These people are
    asphyxiating because the fire is pulling all oxygen to the center
    of the storm," the narrator helpfully explains. But this is a
    different type of frightening from the type one sees in "The
    Hungry Glass." This is frightening because it is presenting a
    truth that is frightening. It is not the images themselves that
    are frightening. There probably is some scary stuff right now
    about the COVID-19 virus, but I do not listen to the same
    channels. [written in early 2020; Mark did rate CONTAGION a +3 or
    9/10 back in 2011]

    [-mrl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Bad News from Alpha Centauri A (pointer to article)

    James Davis Nicoll brings us bad news from Alpha Centauri A:

    "Astronomers report that there very well might be a planet
    orbiting in or just outside Alpha Centauri A's habitable zone.
    Alas, ordering the stokers to start shovelling seetee into the
    photon-drive may be premature. Alpha Centauri Ab is an interesting
    world but it isn't Earth 2." [-jdn]

    Full article at
    <https://reactormag.com/bad-news-from-alpha-centauri-a/>.

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Is China REALLY winning the race to the Moon against NASA
    and SpaceX? (comments by Gregory Frederick)

    The Moon has many important resources which will drive missions to
    the Moon for mining, settlement and exploration.

    Moon resources include abundant solar energy, water ice, Helium-3,
    and rare-earth metals found in regolith (rock and soil). Water can
    be split into oxygen for breathing and hydrogen for rocket fuel,
    while metals and regolith can be used for construction. Helium-3
    is a potential fuel for nuclear fusion reactors. The Moon also has
    other valuable elements like titanium, aluminum, and thorium.

    China has a lunar lander and a space capsule with a rocket that if
    all goes well could be on the Moon by 2030. If they get there
    first they will lay claim to these resources which can be close to
    the water ice. Being near to the water ice is essential to any
    long term missions. NASA has a Moon ready rocket and capsule (the
    Artemis mission) but not a fully developed lunar lander and the
    current administration is planning to axe the NASA budget and cut
    thousands of employees. The [23-minute] video below details
    exactly what is happening.

    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXoFTRS2MQw>

    [-gf]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: THE STONE TAPE (letter of comment by Paul Dormer)

    In response to various comments on THE STONE TAPE in the 10/31/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Paul Dormer writes:

    The science fiction nerd in me thought there was too much
    hand-waving on the technical details. Mind you, I haven't seen it
    since it was first broadcast.

    Kneale was at Seacon in Brighton in 1979 and his view of SF fans
    led to his sitcom KINVIG--not very flattering. [-pd]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I was re-watching THE GREAT GATSBY (1974), and while I realize
    there is a lot in this movie (and book), no one seems to have
    commented on the purchase of the puppy. This is almost the first
    example of how Myrtle is just as thoughtless as Daisy and Tom.
    Fitzgerald writes, "They were careless people, Tom and Daisy--they
    smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their
    money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that held them
    together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made
    ...," but Daisy wanting a puppy "for the apartment" that she and
    Tom use but don't live in is a perfect example of not thinking
    things through, of caring only about what she wanted right then,
    and not even thinking about who would take care of the puppy when
    she returned to the Valley of Ashes and Tom returned to Daisy. Not
    that Tom would ever take care of the puppy anyway--in fact, the
    puppy would be lucky if Tom just put it outside to fend for itself
    rather than throwing it out a window.

    No, to Myrtle the puppy was just like the dresses and jewelry that
    Tom gave her--something to be kept in the apartment to be pulled
    out and worn, or used, or displayed when she wanted, and forgotten
    the rest of the time. (She does have a dog collar in her drawer in
    the Valley of Ashes, but it is studded with diamonds and easily
    portable.)

    The scene right after the puppy sequence emphasizes this. We see a
    row of society women at some sort of event, each holding their
    dogs--all fancy-looking dogs--that are clearly spoiled pets. There
    is no way Myrtle could bring the puppy back to the Valley of
    Ashes, or spoil it there if she did.

    Also, note that Meyer Wolfsheim says Gatsby was educated at
    "Oggsford College". Aside from the pronunciation, it's not Oxford
    College, it's the University of Oxford, which consists of
    forty-three "colleges" of varying sorts. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Nov 9 09:31:23 2025
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    In article <10eq7v9$388eh$1@dont-email.me> you write:
    Also, note that Meyer Wolfsheim says Gatsby was educated at
    "Oggsford College". Aside from the pronunciation, it's not Oxford
    College, it's the University of Oxford, which consists of
    forty-three "colleges" of varying sorts. [-ecl]

    I think this is very deliberate in terms of showing who Wolfsheim
    is, much in the way that the unused library helps show who Gatsby is.

    For an interesting sidelight, read the book and note every use of the telephone.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Nov 9 16:36:00 2025
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    In article <10eq7v9$388eh$1@dont-email.me>,
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    The Guardian reports:

    "Peter Watkins, the radical British film-maker who won an Oscar
    for his controversial drama-documentary THE WAR GAME [1966], about
    a nuclear attack on Britain, has died aged 90."

    Before The War Game, Watkins did what I remember being a rather good film
    about the battle of Culloden, done in a similar style to The War Game. I haven't seen it for years but I see it's available on Youtube.
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Nov 27 17:09:00 2025
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    In article <10eq7v9$388eh$1@dont-email.me>,
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    In response to various comments on THE STONE TAPE in the 10/31/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Paul Dormer writes:

    Incidentally, for those of you in the UK who can get Talking Pictures TV,
    The Stone Tape is on tomorrow (288/11/25) at 22:10.
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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Fri Nov 28 20:41:37 2025
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    On Thu, 27 Nov 2025 17:09 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
    prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) wrote:

    In article <10eq7v9$388eh$1@dont-email.me>,
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    In response to various comments on THE STONE TAPE in the 10/31/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Paul Dormer writes:

    Incidentally, for those of you in the UK who can get Talking Pictures TV,
    The Stone Tape is on tomorrow (288/11/25) at 22:10.

    Suitably late night scariness; too much for me, I fear. Luckily I never
    saw it back when I was an impressionable youth.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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