• MT VOID, 09/18/26 -- Vol. 45, No. 12, Whole Number 2450

    From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Sep 20 13:42:17 2026
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    THE MT VOID
    09/18/26 -- Vol. 45, No. 12, Whole Number 2450

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 25 (Christopher Guest mockumentaries)
    (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    EDGE OF TOMORROW / LIVE, DIE, REPEAT (letter of comment
    by Kip Williams)
    THE FLY (1986) (letters of comment by Dan Kimmel,
    Peter Trei, and Gary McGath)
    This Week's Reading (Cadfael, Jessica Fletcher,
    and other detective series) (book comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 25 (Christopher Guest mockumentaries)
    (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I love Christopher Guest's mockumentaries but I also sometimes
    find them too painful to watch. And often that is due to one actor
    who is to me like nails on a blackboard--Fred Willard.

    For example, the last time I tried to watch WAITING FOR GUFFMAN
    (1996), I had to give up. BEST IN SHOW (2000) is mostly highly
    watchable, though I often fast-forward through Fred Willard's
    scenes. (I also fast-forward through Dogberry's speeches in MUCH
    ADO ABOUT NOTHING.)

    I last saw FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION (2006) three years ago, and I
    don't recall if I found any parts painful.

    This was all triggered by Channel Thirteen running A MIGHTY WIND
    (2003), which I was able to watch without cringing, but again, I
    did fast-forward through Fred Willard.

    And while not a mockumentary, THE BIG PICTURE (1989) skewers
    trying to make an independent film in the way his later
    mockumentaries would look at other show business aspects. It was
    actually Guest's directorial debut, and obviously a harbinger of
    things to come (an ur-mockumentary, if you will), and is not as
    well known as his later films, but it is wonderful, and I highly
    recommend it.

    And I discovered that there is one I hadn't seen (yet!): MASCOTS
    (2016). And at $150 for the DVD on eBay, I was so happy that it's
    on Netflix!

    One "problem" with MASCOTS is that Guest does not have the two
    actors that many considered the "anchors" of his stable (to mix a
    metaphor). Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy were working on
    SCHITT'S CREEK and not available. And of the rest, many were
    unrecognizable to me after seeing them in A MIGHTY WIND, made two
    decades earlier.

    (I am reminded of showing FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE to a teenage Sean
    Connery fan in 2008. At one point she asked us when we would see
    him, and we had to tell her that he was the person in the center
    of the screen in that scene, and that he had been heavily featured
    up to that point.)

    Guest's characters are familiar, as I said: Catherine O'Hara as
    the woman who keeps referring to her "slutty" past and Eugene Levy
    as her husband who seems sometimes oblivious to and sometimes
    uncomfortable with this, Jane Lynch as the woman with the strange
    business sense (in BEST IN SHOW she starts a magazine for lesbian
    dog owners), and of course, the Fred Willard character, who is
    always saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. (Actually, for
    most of what he says, there wouldn't ever be a right time.)


    [-ecl]

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    TOPIC: EDGE OF TOMORROW / LIVE, DIE, REPEAT (letter of comment by
    Kip Williams)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on EDGE OF TOMORROW / LIVE, DIE,
    REPEAT in the 09/11/26 issue of the MT VOID, Kip Williams writes:

    Sounds like people have figured out the plot of ROGUE MOON by
    Algis Budrys, which more or less predicted the experience
    undergone by the lead character in a first-person shooter, and
    then thought about it a little more. [-kw]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: THE FLY (1986) (letters of comment by Dan Kimmel, Peter
    Trei, and Gary McGath)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on THE FLY (1986) in the 09/11/26
    issue of the MT VOID, Dan Kimmel writes:

    You make some interesting points about THE FLY but on one of them
    I strongly disagree. You write "David Cronenberg's 1986 remake
    doesn't have that romantic element..."

    Well, not in the same way as the '58 potboiler, but the romance
    between Seth and Veronica is absolutely crucial to the plot. One
    gets the sense that he hasn't had much of a social life and here
    is this beautiful, intelligent woman who is fascinated by him and
    his work. When he misunderstands her relationship with her ex [it]
    is the jealousy he's not mature enough to handle that leads him to
    the fatal experiment. And his feelings for her provide most of the
    motivation for him thereafter.

    I consider this one of the outstanding films of the '80s (not
    *just* among SF films). If you have a copy of my book JAR JAR
    BINKS MUST DIE, you can check out my essay on the film, "Nerds in
    Love." [-dk]

    Evelyn responds:

    I guess I am using "romantic" in a more sentimental sense, as
    opposed to a (possibly sexual, possibly intellectual) attraction.
    [-ecl]

    Peter Trei addresses a different aspect:

    [Evelyn wrote,] "In the 1986 version, there is only one resultant
    creature, which starts out as overwhelmingly Seth, but gradually
    is taken over by the fly, or at at rate, the fly becomes a much
    more important component. One interesting result is that the voice
    recognition security that Seth used on his computer no longer
    recognizes his voice--a warning that biometric security has its
    own drawbacks. (As an aside, I would suggest pre-adolescent boys
    *not* use voice recognition as their only security into their
    computers. And for that matter, accidents can damage your
    fingerprint, or your retina.)" [-ecl]

    There's another reason not to place valuables behind voice
    recognition security.

    A few days ago, in a call with one of my brokerages, I was asked
    if I wanted to switch to voice recognition for use authentication.

    I demurred. AI voice cloning has reached the point where a small
    sample of recorded speech will allow your whole voice to be
    copied. Per-site security questions are more secure.

    Similarly, when answering the phone to an unknown number, never
    use the word 'Yes', since you're just making their work easier.
    [-pt]

    Gary McGath asks:

    Is there anything special about "yes" as opposed to, for instance,
    "hello"?

    The idea that someone can paste a recording of you saying "yes" to
    create a binding contract is a myth. But I agree that deepfaking
    people's voices is a growing problem. [-gmg]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I've been listening to the audiobooks of Ellis Peters's "Cadfael"
    series. Hoopla (from my library) has the first fifteen on
    unabridged audiobook read by Patrick Tull. After that it gets a
    bit dodgy: there are several "abridged" books read by Derek
    Jacobi, but this run starts with number seventeen, and skips
    another three of the later books as well.

    After the unabridged versions, the abridgments seem a little
    insubstantial, and Jacobi's voice is not as engaging as it is in
    THE DAUGHTER OF TIME (his other audiobook I am familiar with).

    Peters has apparently done her research on church hierarchy,
    rules, etc., but she makes at least one common mistake about
    medieval life: she has rooms lit by torches. Medieval historians
    has pointed out that torches were too difficult and time-consuming
    to make to use dozens every night to light rooms, too smoky to use
    indoors, and lasted too short a time to be used for room lighting
    for an entire evening. (The historians also point this out as an
    error everyone makes, especially in movies.) What were used were
    candles, mostly from tallow, with beeswax saved for churches and
    special occasions.

    But the real "problem" is the same problem all detective series
    have: if they're successful enough, pretty soon the reader finds
    themselves thinking, "I wouldn't want to live in *their* town."

    This is a real problem when the detective lives in a small town.
    As Wikipedia notes, "Fletcher lives ... in the town of Cabot Cove,
    Maine, 03041. Based on the number of murders that occur in a given
    season of the series, the town seems to have probably one of the
    highest murder rates of any town or city.This has even been
    remarked on in the series by the town sheriff, ..., who notes to
    Jessica Fletcher that in his first year in Cabot Cove, he had to
    deal with five murders and nicknames the town the 'death capital
    of Maine.'" (Cabot Cove is said to have a population of 3,560;
    estimates of the number of murders that took place in Cabot Cove
    in the twelve years of the series was sixty.)

    Sherlock Holmes worked in London, a very large city, and a lot of
    his cases were elsewhere in England, or even outside England.
    Hercule Poirot was also in London, again with some cases
    elsewhere. Even Miss Marple investigated murders outside of St.
    Mary Mead--well, having them all in a really small town would have
    been stretching credulity.

    So when Brother Cadfael has to investigate all the murders within
    a couple of day's walk of the abbey, it's a problem. The twenty
    books cover a decade during The Anarchy (1135-1145), but very few
    of the murders are caused by the warfare of the time, except
    peripherally. Shrewsbury is probably larger than Cabot Cove, with
    a estimated population of "several thousand". But since there seem
    to be a couple of murders per book, that makes Shrewsbury a murder
    capital as well.

    I'm sure there is a term for something that seems fine in the
    close-up, but fails in the big picture. Detective series set in
    small towns sound like a great idea at the beginning, but if
    they're successful, they can't sustain a long series without
    expanding the geographic range. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


    I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Sep 20 18:45:54 2026
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    On 9/20/26 1:42 PM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    Sherlock Holmes worked in London, a very large city, and a lot of
    his cases were elsewhere in England, or even outside England.
    Hercule Poirot was also in London, again with some cases
    elsewhere. Even Miss Marple investigated murders outside of St.
    Mary Mead--well, having them all in a really small town would have
    been stretching credulity.

    There was a German series called "Mord mit Aussicht" (murder with a
    view, punning on "Mord mit Absicht," murder with intent). It was set in
    a small town, and every week there was a murder for the local police to investigate. If I lived in that town, I'd move out as fast as I could.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Sep 20 21:42:00 2026
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    On 9/20/2026 1:42 PM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    THE MT VOID
    09/18/26 -- Vol. 45, No. 12, Whole Number 2450


    <snippo>

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I've been listening to the audiobooks of Ellis Peters's "Cadfael"
    series. Hoopla (from my library) has the first fifteen on
    unabridged audiobook read by Patrick Tull. After that it gets a
    bit dodgy: there are several "abridged" books read by Derek
    Jacobi, but this run starts with number seventeen, and skips
    another three of the later books as well.

    After the unabridged versions, the abridgments seem a little
    insubstantial, and Jacobi's voice is not as engaging as it is in
    THE DAUGHTER OF TIME (his other audiobook I am familiar with).

    Peters has apparently done her research on church hierarchy,
    rules, etc., but she makes at least one common mistake about
    medieval life: she has rooms lit by torches. Medieval historians
    has pointed out that torches were too difficult and time-consuming
    to make to use dozens every night to light rooms, too smoky to use
    indoors, and lasted too short a time to be used for room lighting
    for an entire evening. (The historians also point this out as an
    error everyone makes, especially in movies.) What were used were
    candles, mostly from tallow, with beeswax saved for churches and
    special occasions.

    You had candle money?

    There's a reason why 'this game isn't worth the candle' is a saying.
    If you were playing a card game in an inn, you had to pay the
    innkeeper to have enough light to see your cards.

    Beeswax candles were *expensive* and very much a luxury item.
    Tallow candles were cheaper, but still beyond daily use for a
    peasant, or a poor monk.

    The poor used rushlights, which were cheap to make, or oil lamps
    if they were a bit more flush.

    There's a lot YT videos on the subject. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj4zaTZaxzA


    But the real "problem" is the same problem all detective series
    have: if they're successful enough, pretty soon the reader finds
    themselves thinking, "I wouldn't want to live in *their* town."

    This is a real problem when the detective lives in a small town.
    As Wikipedia notes, "Fletcher lives ... in the town of Cabot Cove,
    Maine, 03041. Based on the number of murders that occur in a given
    season of the series, the town seems to have probably one of the
    highest murder rates of any town or city.This has even been
    remarked on in the series by the town sheriff, ..., who notes to
    Jessica Fletcher that in his first year in Cabot Cove, he had to
    deal with five murders and nicknames the town the 'death capital
    of Maine.'" (Cabot Cove is said to have a population of 3,560;
    estimates of the number of murders that took place in Cabot Cove
    in the twelve years of the series was sixty.)

    Sherlock Holmes worked in London, a very large city, and a lot of
    his cases were elsewhere in England, or even outside England.
    Hercule Poirot was also in London, again with some cases
    elsewhere. Even Miss Marple investigated murders outside of St.
    Mary Mead--well, having them all in a really small town would have
    been stretching credulity.

    So when Brother Cadfael has to investigate all the murders within
    a couple of day's walk of the abbey, it's a problem. The twenty
    books cover a decade during The Anarchy (1135-1145), but very few
    of the murders are caused by the warfare of the time, except
    peripherally. Shrewsbury is probably larger than Cabot Cove, with
    a estimated population of "several thousand". But since there seem
    to be a couple of murders per book, that makes Shrewsbury a murder
    capital as well.

    Here, we may be able to give Peters a pass. Medieval times were a
    *lot* more violent than today. In 'The Better Angels Of Our Nature',
    Steven Pinker estimates that the murder rate in the late Middle
    Ages in Europe was between 10 and 50 times what it is now.

    Murders is a crime that tends to get recorded pretty accurately,
    even if the whodunit part isn't solved as often as in books. (In
    the US today, the number of homicides that result in a murder
    conviction is still a bit under 50%).

    So, the murder rate can be estimated with some reliability, even
    back then.

    Check the first chart here:

    https://www.gatesnotes.com/Better-Angels-of-Our-Nature-in-Graphs-and-Numbers

    ...and note that its on a log scale.

    The upshot is that Cadfael's numbers may be plausible.

    pt

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  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Sep 21 08:50:06 2026
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    begin fnord
    "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> writes:

    (I am reminded of showing FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE to a teenage Sean
    Connery fan in 2008. At one point she asked us when we would see
    him, and we had to tell her that he was the person in the center
    of the screen in that scene, and that he had been heavily featured
    up to that point.)

    One wonders how she would react to _The Longest Day_, in which a
    practically pediatric Connery has a small part; I only made him by his
    voice.
    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press
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