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    Topics:
    Middletown (NJ) Public Library Science Fiction Discussion
    Group
    Picks for Turner Classic Movies in September (comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Some Art Doesn't Age Well (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    This Week's Reading (MOBY-DICK) (book comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Middletown (NJ) Public Library Science Fiction Discussion
    Group

    Note that the "2010" meeting was postponed one month, and will
    take place (Lord willing and the creek don't rise) in September.

    Sep 3: 2010: THE YEAR WE MAKE CONTACT (1984) & novel
    2010: ODYSSEY TWO by Arthur C. Clarke
    <https://archive.org/details/2010odyss00clar/page/n5/mode/2up>
    Oct 1: THE WILD ROBOT (2024) & novel (2016) [book 1]
    by Peter Brown
    <https://bookreadfree.com/book/147149>
    Nov 5: undecided, either:
    THE COLOR OUT OF SPACE (2019) and short story THE COLOUR
    OUT OF SPACE by H. P. Lovecraft [Halloween selection]
    or
    THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW and ???

    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Picks for Turner Classic Movies in September (comments by
    Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I've included a lot of non-genre films in the list below, because
    I think they're worth seeing.

    ATLANTIC CITY is one of Burt Lancaster's later films, showing him
    not as the acrobatic actor he was in such films as THE CRIMSON
    PIRATE and TRAPEZE, but as an aging minor gangster trying to
    maintain his dignity.

    [ATLANTIC CITY (1980), Wednesday, September 2, 8:00 PM]

    THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN and STRIKE are two classic films by the
    great Russian director Sergei Eisenstein. In particular, THE
    BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN was terrifically influential, being referenced
    directly in 105 feature films, 57 TV episodes, and 13 TV movies,
    not counting videos, shorts, and probably ads as well.

    [THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN (1925), Friday, September 4, 2:30 AM]
    [STRIKE (1925), Friday, September 4, 4:00 AM]

    I recommend THE ARTIST as a great example of "outside-the-box"
    filmmaking. Mel Brooks attempted something similar in 1976 with
    his SILENT MOVIE, but he did not copy the style of the silent era,
    and he made his film in color(*). THE ARTIST was in
    black-and-white, and presented in the old 1:33 Academy ratio. (Mel
    Brooks had made a black-and-white film in 1974 with YOUNG
    FRANKENSTEIN, and executive-produced THE ELEPHANT in 1980, so he
    was not adverse to black-and-white per se.)

    (*) A variety of searches and AIs claim SILENT MOVIE was in
    black-and-white. They lie. I can only attribute this to the fact
    that the phrases "silent movie" and "black-and-white" appeared
    close together in the vast majority of texts fed into them that
    mentioned one or the other.

    [THE ARTIST (2011), Thursday, September 10, 1:15 AM]

    And speaking of Mel Brooks, he is part of TCM's rather ...
    peculiar Rosh Hashonah line-up on September 25: THE TRAMP AND THE
    DICTATOR (a documentary about the parallel lives of Charlie
    Chaplin and Adolf Hitler), THE GREAT DICTATOR (the classic Chaplin
    film where he plays the dual roles of a Jewish barber and a
    Hitleresque dictator), TO BE OR NOT TO BE (a Chaplin film set in
    occupied Poland), and THE PRODUCERS (Mel Brooks's film about the
    making of the musical "Springtime for Hitler").

    There is also a Stanley Kubrick festival every Thursday night,
    which includes several shorts not usually seen. I have mentioned
    below only the genre films, but if you're a Kubrick fan, you will
    want to check out TCM's full listings.

    And on September 29, they are showing three double features of
    classic silent genre films and their first sound remakes: DR.
    JEKYLL AND MR. HYDE (1920 and 1931), THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME
    (1923 and 1939), and THE UNHOLY THREE (1925 and 1930). (Well, THE
    HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME and THE UNHOLY THREE are
    "horror-adjacent"--the presence of Lon Chaney makes them so.)

    I mention THE GRADUATE and GIGI because I comment on them in the
    article below this one.

    [THE GRADUATE (1967), Wednesday, September 16, 8:00 PM]
    [GIGI (1958), Thursday, September 24, 3:45 PM]

    Other films of interest:

    WEDNESDAY, September 2
    8:00 PM Atlantic City (1980)

    THURSDAY, September 3
    4:15 AM The Hunger (1983)
    8:00 AM Modern Times (1936)

    FRIDAY, September 4
    2:30 AM The Battleship Potemkin (1925)
    4:00 AM Strike (1925)

    SUNDAY, September 6
    7:45 AM The Bad Seed (1956)

    WEDNESDAY, September 9
    3:15 PM Fingers at the Window (1942)

    THURSDAY, September 10
    1:15 AM The Artist (2011)
    6:00 PM The Haunting (1963)

    FRIDAY, September 11
    2:15 AM Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying
    and Love the Bomb (1964)
    4:00 AM Metropolis (1926)

    SATURDAY, September 12
    7:30 AM The Time Machine (1960)

    SUNDAY, September 13
    2:15 PM Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
    6:00 PM Crossing Delancey (1988)

    WEDNESDAY, September 16
    8:00 PM The Graduate (1967)

    THURSDAY, September 17
    6:15 PM Soylent Green (1973)
    8:00 PM 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
    10:30 PM A Clockwork Orange (1971)

    SUNDAY, September 20
    10:00 PM Being There (1979)

    WEDNESDAY, September 23
    6:15 PM Forbidden Planet (1956)

    THURSDAY, September 24
    3:45 PM Gigi (1958)
    8:00 PM The Shining (1980)

    FRIDAY, September 25
    1:00 AM Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
    7:45 AM Bewitched (1945)
    9:00 AM Bedlam (1946)
    8:00 PM The Tramp and the Dictator (2002)
    9:00 PM The Great Dictator (1940)
    11:15 PM To Be or Not to Be (1942)

    SATURDAY, September 26
    1:00 AM The Producers (1967)

    SUNDAY, September 27
    2:30 AM Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970)
    4:15 AM Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972)
    6:00 AM Doc Savage: The Man of Bronze (1975)
    8:00 AM King Solomon's Mines (1950)
    8:00 PM Arabian Nights (1942)
    9:45 PM Cobra Woman (1944)

    MONDAY, September 28
    10:00 PM Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)

    TUESDAY, September 29
    12:00 AM Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982)
    9:30 AM Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1920)
    10:45 AM Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (1931)
    12:30 PM The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1923)
    2:15 PM The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1939)
    4:30 PM The Unholy Three (1925)
    6:15 PM The Unholy Three (1930)

    WEDNESDAY, September 30
    8:00 PM The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1961)
    10:00 PM Silent Running (1972)
    11:45 PM No Blade of Grass (1970)

    THURSDAY, October 1
    1:30 AM Them! (1954)
    3:30 AM The Swarm (1978)

    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Some Art Doesn't Age Well (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    Eddie Hodges, that clean-cut kid who appeared with Col. John
    Glenn, that clean-cut Marine, made the song "I'm Gonna Knock On
    Your Door" famous; it was considered romantic.

    When we read the lyrics now, they sound more like stalker behavior:

    I'm gonna knock on your door *knocking*
    Ring on your bell *ringing*
    Tap on your window, too *tapping*
    If you don't come out tonight
    When the moon is bright
    I'm gonna knock and ring and tap until you do *ringing*

    I'm gonna knock on your door (ah-ha)
    Call out your name (ah-ha)
    Wake up the town, you'll see (ah-ha)
    I'm gonna hoo-hoot and howl
    Like the lovesick owl
    Until you say you're gonna come out with me

    ...

    Hey little girl (hey little girl) this ain't no time to sleep
    (ah-ha)
    Let's count kisses 'stead of countin' sheep (ah-ha)
    How (how-how), how can I hold ya near (ah-ha)
    With you up there and me down here?

    I'm gonna knock on your door *knocking*
    Ring on your bell *ringing*
    Tap on your window, too *tapping*
    If you don't come out tonight
    When the moon is bright
    I'm gonna knock and ring and tap until you do *knocking*

    I'm gonna knock and ring and tap
    And knock and ring and tap
    And knock and ring and tap
    And knock and ring until you do

    [end song lyrics]

    These days, this would get the police called.

    Tying in to next month's TCM offerings, Mark once pointed out that
    THE GRADUATE was a stalker movie, with Benjamin stalking Elaine.

    The plot of GIGI, another of TCM's September films, is that Gigi,
    a young girl coming of age in turn-of-the-century (1900) Paris, is
    being groomed as a courtesan by her grandmother and her great
    aunt." One definition of "courtesan" is "a woman prostitute,
    especially one whose clients are members of a royal court or men
    of high social standing." (For those old enough to remember
    Christine Keeler, I think that makes her a courtesan.) And the
    film GIGI gets a 'G' rating! One YouTube comment: "A child
    prostitute is groomed to court older men in Paris and everyone
    sings songs about it. This somehow won a lot of Oscars. WTF" One
    of the songs is "Thank Heaven for Little Girls". WTF, indeed.
    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    As I have on previous occasions, I'm giving myself a bit of a
    break and giving you another chapter's-worth of commentary on
    MOBY-DICK.

    CHAPTER 6: The Street

    Ishmael's description of cannibalsrCo"savages outright; many of whom
    yet carry on their bones unholy flesh"rCoreminds me of the lines
    from ANTONY & CLEOPATRA:

    ... on the Alps It is reported thou didst eat strange flesh,
    Which some did die to look on:
    [Act I, Scene IV]

    This is usually taken to refer to cannibalism. But there is also
    Jude 1:7: "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them
    in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going
    after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the
    vengeance of eternal fire." (Recall that the preacher's text
    earlier was also from the first chapter of Jude.)

    Ishmael refers to "the Feegeeans, Tongatobooarrs, Erromanggoans,
    Pannangians, and Brighggians." The best I can figure out, these
    are what we would call today (respectively) Fijians; Tongans;
    natives of Erromango Island, Vanuatu (formerly New Hebrides);
    natives of either Penang (Panang), Malaysia, or of Pango Pango
    (there is some dispute as to which Melville meant); and (possibly)
    a native of the New Hebrides. Some feel that Melville is just
    making these up, but given the bizarre spellings distant lands had
    in the 19th century, these could well be as indicated.

    The green Vermonter "wears a beaver hat and swallow-tailed coat,
    girdled with a sailor-belt and sheath-knife. Here comes another
    with a sou'-wester and a bombazine cloak." The former is clearly
    improperly dressed for the rigors of a whaling ship (one can just
    imagine those long tails flapping in everyone's face in a brisk
    wind!), and bombazine is a dressy fabric, as opposed to the
    bearskin of Ishmael's "shaggy jacket".

    THE COMPACT EDITION OF THE OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY says that
    "Hay-Seed" is a humorous name for a rustic used in the United
    States, but also gives the first use as being 1889. MOBY-DICK
    pre-dates that by almost forty years.

    "Can Herr Alexander perform a feat like that?" This is proof that
    one must check every reference. I thought this was a reference to
    Alexander the Great, but apparently it refers to the German
    magician Johann Friedrich Alexander Heimburger who, though now
    totally forgotten, was internationally famous at the time
    MOBY-DICK was written. The obvious analogy would be a reference to
    someone in 2150 reading what was a reference to "David
    Copperfield" and thinking it referred to Charles Dickens's
    character.

    In New Bedford, people are so rich, "they have reservoirs of oil
    in every house, and every night recklessly burn their lengths in
    spermaceti candles." Spermaceti candles give a very steady, good
    light and don't melt or soften in hot weather, but were much more
    expensive than tallow candles or other cheaper forms of
    illumination.

    Ishmael reports, "And the women of New Bedford, they bloom like
    their own red roses. But roses only bloom in summer; whereas the
    fine carnation of their cheeks is perennial as sunlight in the
    seventh heavens. Elsewhere match that bloom of theirs, ye cannot,
    save in Salem, where they tell me the young girls breathe such
    musk, their sailor sweethearts smell them miles off shore, as
    though they were drawing nigh the odorous Moluccas instead of the
    Puritanic sands." The reference to the effect of the women of
    Salem seems to be a veiled suggestion that they are (still) using
    witchcraft, but there is also a more mundane explanation. The
    Moluccas (now the Maluku Islands) were also known as the Spice
    Islands, they had exported spices for at least two thousand years,
    and Salem had become enormously successful in the spice trade. (In
    1790 it was the sixth-largest city in the United States.) The odor
    Ishmael refers to would have been primarily pepper, nutmeg, and
    cloves.

    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


    When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood
    as a child, I thought as a child: and when I was a man
    I decided how foolish it would be to give all that up.
    --Mark R. Leeper

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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 30 19:10:32 2026
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    In article <1171apr$2knt$1@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    (For those old enough to remember
    Christine Keeler, I think that makes her a courtesan.)

    [Hal Heydt]
    After the Profumpo scandal, a joke went around. Unfortunately,
    it works better verbally because it uses a homonym, but still...

    Did you hear that Chritine Keeler tried to commit suicide?

    She was found lying under a peer/pier.
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 30 21:22:40 2026
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    In article <tKLJxK.20M8@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    After the Profumpo scandal,

    Or even, Profumo.

    I was ten at the time the scandal broke and I kept hearing the name
    Christine Keeler, but it was about ten years before I found out what it
    was about.
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 30 22:05:30 2026
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    In article <memo.20260830212148.7720A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <tKLJxK.20M8@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:

    After the Profumpo scandal,

    Or even, Profumo.

    I was ten at the time the scandal broke and I kept hearing the name
    Christine Keeler, but it was about ten years before I found out what it
    was about.

    [Hal Heydt]
    Damned typos....

    The other name that goes with the Profumo scandal was Mandy Rice
    Davies.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 31 00:08:54 2026
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    On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 09:22:03 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    THE BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN and STRIKE are two classic films by the
    great Russian director Sergei Eisenstein. In particular, THE
    BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN was terrifically influential, being referenced
    directly in 105 feature films, 57 TV episodes, and 13 TV movies,
    not counting videos, shorts, and probably ads as well.

    ... baby pram careening down the Odessa Steps ...

    Mel Brooks attempted something similar in 1976 with his SILENT
    MOVIE, but he did not copy the style of the silent era, and he made
    his film in color(*).

    And it did have one word of actual dialogue ... spoken by, of all
    people, Marcel Marceau.

    (Trivia question: what language was that word in?)

    (*) A variety of searches and AIs claim SILENT MOVIE was in
    black-and-white. They lie. I can only attribute this to the fact
    that the phrases "silent movie" and "black-and-white" appeared
    close together in the vast majority of texts fed into them that
    mentioned one or the other.

    All you have to do is inspect the screenshots at imdb.com <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075222/>.

    (Mel Brooks had made a black-and-white film in 1974 with YOUNG
    FRANKENSTEIN ...

    Another classic, featuring one of the two terrifyingly memorable roles
    for Cloris Leachman in a Brooks movie. And Marty Feldman, yet.

    ... and THE PRODUCERS (Mel Brooks's film about the making of the
    musical "Springtime for Hitler").

    In the beginning, there was rCLThe ProducersrCY, the movie <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063462/>, about the making of the
    fictional musical rCLSpringtime for HitlerrCY. Then it was made into an
    actual stage musical. And from there into another movie <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0395251/>.
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 30 21:00:52 2026
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    On 8/30/26 8:08 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Mel Brooks attempted something similar in 1976 with his SILENT
    MOVIE, but he did not copy the style of the silent era, and he made
    his film in color(*).
    And it did have one word of actual dialogue ... spoken by, of all
    people, Marcel Marceau.

    (Trivia question: what language was that word in?)

    I don't know. I don't speak French.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From Tim Merrigan@tppm@ca.rr.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 30 22:10:17 2026
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    On 8/30/2026 5:08 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    And it did have one word of actual dialogue ... spoken by, of all
    people, Marcel Marceau.

    (Trivia question: what language was that word in?)

    French: "Non." which, unless one is listening closely, when spoken in a
    French accent, sounds a whole lot like "no" in English or Spanish.
    --

    Qualified immunity = virtual impunity.

    Tim Merrigan

    --
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    www.avg.com
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 31 05:32:23 2026
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    On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 21:00:52 -0400, Gary McGath wrote:

    On 8/30/26 8:08 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sun, 30 Aug 2026 09:22:03 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    Mel Brooks attempted something similar in 1976 with his SILENT
    MOVIE, but he did not copy the style of the silent era, and he
    made his film in color(*).

    And it did have one word of actual dialogue ... spoken by, of all
    people, Marcel Marceau.

    (Trivia question: what language was that word in?)

    I don't know. I don't speak French.

    Well played.
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 31 10:51:40 2026
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    In article <tKLs16.1wCL@kithrup.com>, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
    Heydt) wrote:


    The other name that goes with the Profumo scandal was Mandy Rice
    Davies.

    As does Stephen Ward.

    When I started work in 1973, I shared an office with someone called
    Stuart Ward. People would occasionally get confused and call him
    Stephen.

    Ward's trial began on my 10th birthday. I don't remember hearing
    anything about it at the time. It was at that trial Mandy Rice-Davies
    uttered the famous line "Well he would, wouldn't he?"
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  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 31 08:50:11 2026
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    begin fnord
    "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> writes:

    TOPIC: Some Art Doesn't Age Well (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    " On the surface, she was a lovely young woman, certainly as beautiful
    as Taniquel, but as sexless as a child of seven or eight. Rannirl had
    said something about ritual virginity - and Elorie was certainly as
    unconscious of her own beauty and desirability as the youngest, most
    unaware of children. Or more so; most little girls, by eight or nine,
    were quite aware of their own femininity and one could see in them the
    seeds of desirability. Elorie, somehow, seemed entirely unaware of her
    own womanhood."

    - Marion Zimmer Bradley, _The Bloody Sun_ (quoted material added in the
    1979 rewrite)

    In 1979? Wut. Today (particularly with what is now more generally
    known about the author)? *Yeesh!*
    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 31 12:45:22 2026
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    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    On 8/30/26 8:08 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    Mel Brooks attempted something similar in 1976 with his SILENT
    MOVIE, but he did not copy the style of the silent era, and he made
    his film in color(*).
    And it did have one word of actual dialogue ... spoken by, of all
    people, Marcel Marceau.

    (Trivia question: what language was that word in?)

    I don't know. I don't speak French.

    But for my part, 'twas Gr... French to me.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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