• MT VOID, 07/17/26 -- Vol. 45, No. 3, Whole Number 2441

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    07/17/26 -- Vol. 45, No. 3, Whole Number 2441

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 21 (KNIGHTRIDERS, LIFEFORCE,
    BRAINSTORM) (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Sam Neill and THE DISH (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    DEATH OF THE AUTHOR by Nnedi Okorafor (audio book review
    by Joe Karpierz)
    THE MUMMY (1932) (letter of comment by Gary McGath)
    This Week's Reading (THE WORLD THE CIVIL WAR MADE)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 21 (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    Three more of Mark's "Neglected Gems":

    KNIGHTRIDERS (1981): When this came out in 1981, it looked as
    though George Romero was beginning to mature as a filmmaker,
    moving from low-budget horror films dealing with monsters
    and the disintegration of society to a film with ideals and
    sentiment. Alas, this was a one-off. After it came out, Romero
    said that he got this out of his system and never had to make
    another film like it. Described as "a unique blend of EASY RIDER
    and EXCALIBUR," this is the story of a traveling Renaissance Fair
    which has its jousts on motorcycles rather than horses. Romero
    manages to get a lot of carnage in even without zombies, yet there
    is more to the story than that.

    (And the carnage is what probably brought in the audiences. We
    used to attend a Renaissance Fair in Tuxedo, New York, with the
    main attraction for us being the staging of a Shakespeare play.
    Then one year when we called to ask which play they were doing,
    they said they had dropped it, because it had always been
    scheduled against the joust as the last main events of the day,
    but almost everyone went to the joust instead and it wasn't worth
    the expense.)

    As a result this had become a film that was not easy to find. It
    didn't get a VHS release until 1997 (when VHS was on the way out),
    a DVD release in 2007, and a Bluray release in 2013, while
    Romero's other films got much speedier releases. Now it is
    available even in streaming (free on Kanopy if your public library
    subscribes, and other services as well).


    LIFEFORCE (1981): LIFEFORCE is a film best remembered for its one
    long sequence where a naked woman is walking through a building.
    At the time that was notable. Now, of course, science fiction
    films have plenty of nudity, but nevertheless, that is what
    LIFEFORCE is remembered for. Based on Colin Wilson's SPACE
    VAMPIRES, the producers decided to go with a less direct title.
    The vampirism in question is of "lifeforce" and the basic idea is
    that the aliens spread vampires through the human race, the
    vampires suck out the lifeforce and then release it, and the
    aliens feed on it. An interesting idea, which Mark saw as having
    connections to QUATERMASS & THE PIT.


    BRAINSTORM (1983): Watching the film this time, I found myself
    thinking of the Babel Fish from THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE
    GALAXY. The idea is that by allowing direct recording of memories,
    feelings, etc., we could achieve understanding of other people and
    hence resolve conflicts. But as Douglas Adams suggested,
    "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all
    barriers to communication between different races and cultures,
    has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the
    history of creation."

    The film does look at other uses of the technology, including two
    of the most popular uses to which any new technology is applied:
    war and pornography.

    The film suffers by having its star Natalie Wood die two-thirds of
    the way through filming, so some scenes had to be filmed with her
    sister Lana Wood as a stand-in with modified camera angles.

    Frankly, I think one of the film's appeals to Mark was what
    Lillian Reynolds says to Alex Terson: "You were a hack at Stanford
    and you were a hack at Bell."


    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Sam Neill and THE DISH (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    Actor Sam Neill (full name Sir Nigel John Dermot Neill) passed
    away July 13. All of the articles talk about how well known he was
    as Alan Grant in the "Jurassic Park" films, but whenever I heard
    his name, I always thought of THE DISH, which one article talked
    about as a "little-known film". I first saw THE DISH at the
    Toronto International Film Festival in 2000 and wrote, "Wonderful
    film about the (mostly) true story of the role played by the radio
    telescope at Parkes, Australia, in the Apollo 11 moon landing. The
    telescope was originally one of the backups for the live
    television transmission from the moon, but when the schedule
    changed, it became the primary. One of the other Australian
    directors said that it seems as if all Australian films had to be
    about quirky characters, and this has its share, but it also has
    the magic of the space program (a lot of original NASA footage was
    used) and the problem-solving element of APOLLO 13. Sam Neill is
    the 'name' star, but the rest of the cast puts in excellent
    performances as well. (Note: This came in second in the People's
    Choice Awards.)"

    [CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON came in first.]

    An article in WIRED said:

    "Sam Neill Inspired a Generation of Scientists"

    "The actor, who died at age 78 on Monday, embodied a passionate
    approach to research and positive masculinity in his role as
    paleontologist Alan Grant in the 1993 blockbuster JURASSIC PARK."

    The article also mentioned THE DISH and EVENT HORIZON. The full
    article is at
    <https://www.wired.com/story/
    sam-neill-inspired-a-generation-of-scientists/>. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: DEATH OF THE AUTHOR by Nnedi Okorafor (copyright 2025,
    William Morrow, 446pp, hardcover, ISBN-10: 0063391147, ISBN-13:
    978-0063391147, listening length 16 hours and 12 minutes, ASIN:
    B0D6NNWRSC, narrated by Liz Femi, Anthony Oseyemi, Jason Culp,
    Chris Djuma) (audio book review by Joe Karpierz)

    Zelu is a paraplegic Nigerian-American author and an adjunct
    professor at a Chicago university. At her sister's wedding, she
    learns that she's lost her job at the university, and her
    mainstream novel is a failure--she can't get it accepted or
    published anywhere. She is frustrated and despondent. She returns
    to the U.S after the wedding to live with her Nigerian immigrant
    parents as she had to leave her apartment since she could no
    longer pay the rent and all the associated bills. While at her
    parents, she develops the idea for a science fiction novel called
    "Rusted Robots", a post-human science fiction epic set on an Earth
    that has only one remaining human. The rest of the population is
    divided into two warring factions of robots: the Humes, those
    which assume bodies that look like humans, and AI NoBodies, which
    reject the human form and are intent on destroying all Humes.

    "Rusted Robots" turns out to be a bestseller, garnering millions
    of fans all over the globe. Zelu, who's never read or written
    science fiction before this, turns into an overnight success. She
    has a huge social media following; she appears on television news
    programs and talk shows. Along the way, she is approached by an
    MIT scientist named Hugo Wagner, who has developed a device that
    will enable paraplegics to walk. She has also caught the attention
    of billionaire Jack Preston, who is putting together a commercial
    space flight program and who wants her to be a passenger on one of
    his flights.The book is made into a blockbuster movie that is
    completely unrecognizable when compared to the novel, white
    washing the Nigerian characters and setting it in the U.S. instead
    of Nigeria. All of this attention and success is troublesome, of
    course, as Zelu needs to navigate social media, Hollywood,
    reporters, television personalities and her family. She is having
    to learn what it means to be a successful writer and all the
    attention, both positive and negative, that comes with it. In what
    is clearly a parallel between Zelu and George R.R. Martin, the
    public is clamoring for the sequel to "Rusted Robots" and is
    getting very impatient with her. She is ambushed by a TV
    interviewer regarding her "exos" (what she calls her artificial
    legs) and how she is representing other paraplegics who can't
    afford what she has. This results in a social media backlash that
    she needs to navigate.

    Zelu also has a very complicated relationship with her family.
    They are used to sheltering and protecting her, since she became
    disabled at the age of 12 when falling out of a tree. They do not
    support her efforts, and attempt to prevent her from persuing her
    dreams. All her siblings have successful, traditional careers, and
    her family doesn't understand why she must continue to write this
    weird sci-fi stuff. They are afraid to let her do anything she
    wants. Zelu eventually moves out, of course, once she has become
    successful and has the means to live on her own, but they continue
    to try to influence her decisions.

    As many people probably already know, "Rusted Robots" is told as a
    novel within a novel. Chapters are interspersed within the main
    story, and tell of the relationship between Ankara, a Hume, and
    the NoBody (or Ghost) Ijele, introduced into the body of Ankara by
    the last human on Earth, Ngozi, after Ankara is damaged in an
    effort to aid in repair. The relationship is complicated by the
    fact that the war between the Humes and the Ghosts is coming to a
    head. Just to complicate matters, there is an invading army headed
    towards Earth that will make things even more interesting.

    I have a very split and complicated feelings about DEATH OF THE
    AUTHOR. The more I thought about it after finishing the book, I
    realized that my favorite characters are Ankara and Ijele; I do
    not like any of the humans central to the story. Zelu herself is
    not a very likeable character at all. Oftentimes her reactions to
    things are not believable to me, although admittedly I am neither
    Nigerian or paraplegic, both of which may influence Zelu's
    behavior in ways I do not understand. Her family is not very
    likeable either. Her parents are controlling and manipulative, and
    her sibling are just nasty to her. None of these characters are
    sympathetic. Hugo Wagner and Jack Preston (yes, you might as well
    replace his name with "Elon Musk") aren't in the book enough to
    allow the reader to make any informed opinion about them.

    On the other hand, as is usual with Okorafor's books, this is well
    written with nicely developed main characters, and is a good story
    on top of that. However, I found that I just didn't care enough
    about either the characters or what was occurring in Zelu's story.
    I was more interested in "Rusted Robot", and discovered that I
    wanted to read that book, not Zelu's story at all. It's all a
    matter of taste, I suppose, and my taste is apparently different
    than most, since it is winning awards and gaining accolades. It's
    an okay book, but not Hugo-worthy, in my opinion. [-jak]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: THE MUMMY (1932) (letter of comment by Gary McGath)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on DRACULA (1931) in the 07/10/26
    issue of the MT VOID, Gary McGath writes:

    Speaking of the Universal horror movies, I recently noticed that
    the opening music for "The Mummy" is from Tchaikovsky's "Swan
    Lake." They really should have used something from "Sleeping
    Beauty." [-gmg]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    THE WORLD THE CIVIL WAR MADE edited by Gregory J. Downs and Kate
    Masur (University of North Carolina Press, ISBN 978-1-469-62419-8)
    sounded interesting when it was mentioned in an article I read,
    but it turned out to be written in academese, and I read only two
    of the articles.

    "Emancipating Peons, Excluding Coolies: Reconstructing Coercion in
    the American West" by Stacy L. Smith talked about how the 13th
    Amendment was applied in situations not usually mentioned in its
    regard. Smith demonstrates that the Chinese Exclusion Act was as
    much enforcing the 13th Amendment as an act of racism, although it
    is clear that it was a tool of racists as well. (The basic claim
    was that the system by which Chinese immigrants came to the United
    States was a form of slavery.) And the attempt to apply the 13th
    Amendment to the peonage system in New Mexico by the Peonage Act
    of 1867 was less effective, in part because there was never any
    good way to enforce it; sharecropping and other practices which
    were accepted were basically just another form of peonage.

    "'Not Quite Constitutionalized': The Meanings of 'Civilization'
    and the Limits of Native American Citizenship" by Stephen
    Kantrowitz looked at the phrase in the 14th Amendment "subject to
    the jurisdiction [of the United States]." This phrase led to much
    confusion (as it is doing today, though in a different sense).
    Many Native Americans were still part of their respective tribes
    and satisfied with that, but many felt they wanted to leave their
    "political" tribal affiliations and become full American citizens.
    Often this was because as tribal members, they were constantly
    being moved off "their" land to somewhere else. As full citizens,
    they would have clear title to whatever land they had bought or
    otherwise acquired and could not be pushed off it. Needless to
    say, many white Americans had a problem with this. And tangled up
    in all this was the notion that before Native Americans could
    become full citizens they needed to be "civilized"--which usually
    meant *at a minimum* dressing as European-Americans, farming
    rather than hunting, speaking English, and becoming Christians.
    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 14:04:40 2026
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    In article <113icsf$9s09$2@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    TOPIC: Sam Neill and THE DISH (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I remember seeing that on TV many years ago.

    THE WORLD THE CIVIL WAR MADE

    Cromwell has a lot to answer for. :-)
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 09:41:18 2026
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    In article <memo.20260719140306.17964A@pauldormer.cix.co.uk>,
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <113icsf$9s09$2@dont-email.me>, evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com >(Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    TOPIC: Sam Neill and THE DISH (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    I remember seeing that on TV many years ago.

    It is one of my favorite films ever. We showed a beautiful 35mm print of
    it at Arisia one year and we got a small but very appreciative audience.

    And yes, I did give the five-minute talk about quadrant tracking systems
    first because I don't think the film explains adequately why it's so bad to lose the bogey.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 13:57:40 2026
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    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:
    THE WORLD THE CIVIL WAR MADE

    Cromwell has a lot to answer for. :-)

    It's odd that England has had numerous civil wars, but "The English
    Civil War" only refers to the 1640s one. Similarly, it has had
    several regencies, but "The Regency" refers only to 1811-1820. And
    it has had eleven kings called Edward, but the "Edwardian era" refers
    only to the rule of Edward VII, so called because his name was Albert
    and nine previous kings had been named Edward.

    By contrast, the American Civil War wasn't a civil war at all. The
    South was not attempting to put Jefferson Davis in the White House.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 17:45:40 2026
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    In article <113il4k$8l5$2@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:


    By contrast, the American Civil War wasn't a civil war at all. The
    South was not attempting to put Jefferson Davis in the White House.

    No different than the Nigerian Civil war, which tried to create an
    independent Biafra.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 17:31:26 2026
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    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
    By contrast, the American Civil War wasn't a civil war at all. The
    South was not attempting to put Jefferson Davis in the White House.

    No different than the Nigerian Civil war, which tried to create an independent Biafra.

    If so, then I'd say that wasn't a civil war either. A civil war
    is when two or more parties are violently competing to run the same
    government. For instance Charles I vs. Parliament and Cromwell. Or
    Matilda vs. Stelphen. The Spanish Civil War was a true civil war,
    as was the Russian Civil War.

    Trivial Pursuit falsely claims that the UK sided with the South during
    the American Civil War. It also claims that mosquitos have teeth, and
    that the Caspian Sea is the world's largest lake.

    One curious difference between the US and the UK is that prime
    ministers have often had non-consecutive terms. In three cases, so
    did kings. But only twice have US presidents ever had non-consecutive
    terms.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 13:46:28 2026
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    On 7/19/26 13:31, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
    By contrast, the American Civil War wasn't a civil war at all. The
    South was not attempting to put Jefferson Davis in the White House.

    No different than the Nigerian Civil war, which tried to create an
    independent Biafra.

    If so, then I'd say that wasn't a civil war either. A civil war
    is when two or more parties are violently competing to run the same government. For instance Charles I vs. Parliament and Cromwell. Or
    Matilda vs. Stelphen. The Spanish Civil War was a true civil war,
    as was the Russian Civil War.

    Trivial Pursuit falsely claims that the UK sided with the South during
    the American Civil War. It also claims that mosquitos have teeth, and
    that the Caspian Sea is the world's largest lake.

    One curious difference between the US and the UK is that prime
    ministers have often had non-consecutive terms. In three cases, so
    did kings. But only twice have US presidents ever had non-consecutive
    terms.

    The UK has had a much longer period to draw on for these anomalies.
    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
    Call me crazy but maybe two men who fathered 17 children with
    6 different women between them shouldn't be lecturing us about
    family values. --@rajazohaibmehtab
    86 47 II/4 25
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 19:14:29 2026
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    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    One curious difference between the US and the UK is that prime
    ministers have often had non-consecutive terms. In three cases,
    so did kings. But only twice have US presidents ever had
    non-consecutive terms.

    The UK has had a much longer period to draw on for these anomalies.

    Not that much longer. 305 years of PMs vs. 237 years of presidents,
    just 28% more time. That's 58 unique PMs serving 80 terms, vs. 45
    unique president serving 47 terms. (Not counting immediately
    consecutive terms.)

    Presidents Grover Cleveland and Donald Trump served (or are currently
    serving) non-consecutive terms. PMs who have served non-consecutive
    terms inslude Winston Churchill, William Pitt the Younger, William
    Lamb, William Cavendish-Bentinck, Thomas Pelham-Holles, Robert Peel,
    Ramsay MacDonald, John Russell, Henry John Temple, Harold Wilson,
    Charles Watson-Wentworth, Benjamin Disraeli, and Arthur Wellesley
    (2 non-consecutive terms each), Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Edward
    Smith-Stanley William, and Stanley Baldwin (3 non-consecutive terms
    each), and William Gladstone (4 non-consecutive terms).

    And the PM numbers will both increase by 1 tomorrow, to 59 and 81.

    I also mentioned non-consecutive kings. (England has of course had
    kings for rather a long time.) There have just been three: Ethelred,
    Edward IV, and Henry VI (2 non-consecutive terms each). (There have
    been no non-consecutive queens.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
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  • From Steve Coltrin@spcoltri@omcl.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 13:14:57 2026
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    begin fnord
    "Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> writes:

    BRAINSTORM (1983): Watching the film this time, I found myself
    thinking of the Babel Fish from THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE
    GALAXY. The idea is that by allowing direct recording of memories,
    feelings, etc., we could achieve understanding of other people and
    hence resolve conflicts.

    Ooh, this would be a good double feature with _Strange Days_ (1995), in
    which society has contemplated that idea and said "hahahaha no".
    Similarly:

    The film does look at other uses of the technology, including two
    of the most popular uses to which any new technology is applied:
    war and pornography.

    and one of its principal characters is one such pornographer. Add in a predicted 1999-12-31 which was a) much more interesting than mine and b)
    eerily prophetic of more recent years, while having the sunny belief
    that they might not lead to as shitty a place as we're in now. (Some
    things would not put butts in seats back in 1995.)

    As I understand it, _Strange Days_ was rather hard to find for some
    time; currently it is streaming courtesy the Mouse.
    --
    Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
    "A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
    to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
    - Associated Press
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 20:15:03 2026
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    In article <113icsf$9s09$2@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On the other hand, as is usual with Okorafor's books, this is well
    written with nicely developed main characters, and is a good story
    on top of that. However, I found that I just didn't care enough
    about either the characters or what was occurring in Zelu's story.
    I was more interested in "Rusted Robot", and discovered that I
    wanted to read that book, not Zelu's story at all. It's all a
    matter of taste, I suppose, and my taste is apparently different
    than most, since it is winning awards and gaining accolades. It's
    an okay book, but not Hugo-worthy, in my opinion. [-jak]

    [Hal Heydt]
    In Dorothy's (published) novel _A Point of Honor_ she wrote in
    internal refernce to a non-existent work, _The Golden Road_.
    Some of her friends immediately piped up wanting to read _The
    o there it sits as an un-published (but complete) work. It needs
    at least one minor edit, but is a full work.
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 20:20:04 2026
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    In article <113j1le$32o$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Trivial Pursuit falsely claims that the UK sided with the South during
    the American Civil War.

    [Hal Heydt]
    The British government certainly didn't support the Union,
    despite what the British public may have backed. The UK paid war
    reparations for--among other tings--permitting the CSS Alabama to
    be built in a British shipyard and go on the be a major commerce
    raider until she was sunk in a battle against the USS Kearsarge
    off Cherbourg in 1864.
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  • From Someone Else@someone.else@example.com.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 19 18:31:01 2026
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    In Message-ID:<113j1le$32o$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
    By contrast, the American Civil War wasn't a civil war at all. The
    South was not attempting to put Jefferson Davis in the White House.

    No different than the Nigerian Civil war, which tried to create an
    independent Biafra.

    If so, then I'd say that wasn't a civil war either. A civil war
    is when two or more parties are violently competing to run the same >government.

    The Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary definition of "civil
    war":
    a war between political factions or regions within the same country

    The winner of the American Civil War considered the rebels to still
    be part of the same country. To me that fits the definition quoted.

    You are free to use whatever definition you want, but I'll not have
    it forced on me.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Jul 21 05:49:45 2026
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    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 07:36:47 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    (And the carnage is what probably brought in the audiences. We
    used to attend a Renaissance Fair in Tuxedo, New York, with the
    main attraction for us being the staging of a Shakespeare play.
    Then one year when we called to ask which play they were doing,
    they said they had dropped it, because it had always been
    scheduled against the joust as the last main events of the day,
    but almost everyone went to the joust instead and it wasn't worth
    the expense.)

    There are fight scenes in Shakespeare. ItrCOs just a matter of making
    them suitably graphic.

    As Uncle FesterrCa did, to totally gratuitous excess, in the first
    rCLAddams FamilyrCY movie ...

    BRAINSTORM (1983): ...

    The film suffers by having its star Natalie Wood die two-thirds of
    the way through filming, so some scenes had to be filmed with her
    sister Lana Wood as a stand-in with modified camera angles.

    Also its release got held up by over a year, I think as a result
    of said misfortune.

    Also Douglas TrumbullrCOs directorial debut -- he who was responsible
    for the memorable special effects on rCL2001: A Space OdysseyrCY (for
    which director Stanley Kubrick took the credit--and the Oscar).

    Every few years, it seems, the feds want to go back to Robert Wagner
    and talk to him about that last night his wife was alive ...

    TOPIC: Sam Neill and THE DISH (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    One of the other Australian directors said that it seems as if all
    Australian films had to be about quirky characters, and this has its
    share, but it also has the magic of the space program (a lot of
    original NASA footage was used) and the problem-solving element of
    APOLLO 13.

    Jokes were made about the radio telescope being situated in the middle
    of a sheep paddock.

    But then again, where would be a better place to put it ... ?

    rCaOr was it really him?
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Jul 21 05:51:47 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 13:46:28 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    The UK has had a much longer period to draw on for these anomalies.

    Parliamentary systems tend not to have term limits, have you noticed?
    I think they just feel less need for them.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Jul 21 05:52:35 2026
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    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 20:20:04 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    The British government certainly didn't support the Union,
    despite what the British public may have backed.

    rCLThe enemy of my enemy is my friendrCY, eh?
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  • From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Jul 21 03:13:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 7/19/26 16:15, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <113icsf$9s09$2@dont-email.me>,
    Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On the other hand, as is usual with Okorafor's books, this is well
    written with nicely developed main characters, and is a good story
    on top of that. However, I found that I just didn't care enough
    about either the characters or what was occurring in Zelu's story.
    I was more interested in "Rusted Robot", and discovered that I
    wanted to read that book, not Zelu's story at all. It's all a
    matter of taste, I suppose, and my taste is apparently different
    than most, since it is winning awards and gaining accolades. It's
    an okay book, but not Hugo-worthy, in my opinion. [-jak]

    [Hal Heydt]
    In Dorothy's (published) novel _A Point of Honor_ she wrote in
    internal refernce to a non-existent work, _The Golden Road_.
    Some of her friends immediately piped up wanting to read _The
    o there it sits as an un-published (but complete) work. It needs
    at least one minor edit, but is a full work.

    There appears to be a missing line between

    "Some of her friends immediately piped up wanting to read _The"

    and

    "o there it sits as an un-published (but complete) work. It needs"
    --
    Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn
    Call me crazy but maybe two men who fathered 17 children with
    6 different women between them shouldn't be lecturing us about
    family values. --@rajazohaibmehtab
    86 47 II/4 25
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Tue Jul 21 18:58:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <113n1f3$1o5tj$4@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 19 Jul 2026 20:20:04 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

    The British government certainly didn't support the Union,
    despite what the British public may have backed.

    rCLThe enemy of my enemy is my friendrCY, eh?

    [Hal Heydt}
    Look up the "Alabama claims" for some insight on what the UK
    government did to support the Confederacy.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sat Jul 25 19:10:16 2026
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    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Presidents Grover Cleveland and Donald Trump served (or are
    currently serving) non-consecutive terms. PMs who have served non-consecutive terms inslude Winston Churchill, William Pitt
    the Younger, William Lamb, William Cavendish-Bentinck, Thomas
    Pelham-Holles, Robert Peel, Ramsay MacDonald, John Russell, Henry
    John Temple, Harold Wilson, Charles Watson-Wentworth, Benjamin
    Disraeli, and Arthur Wellesley (2 non-consecutive terms each),
    Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, Edward Smith-Stanley William, and Stanley
    Baldwin (3 non-consecutive terms each), and William Gladstone (4 non-consecutive terms).

    And the PM numbers will both increase by 1 tomorrow, to 59 and 81.

    One oddity I've since noticed is that there have been no
    non-consecutive PM terms in the past fifty years. The last one was
    Harold Wilson, whose second term ended in 1976. Since then there have
    been 12 PMs, with no repeats. And 8 or 9 US presidents, depending on
    whether you count Trump twice.

    I also mentioned non-consecutive kings. .... There have just been
    three: Ethelred, Edward IV, and Henry VI (2 non-consecutive terms
    each).

    Only two of the three were within the past thousand years.
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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