• Re: America's second president died 200 years ago today

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Wed Jul 8 23:20:35 2026
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    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 10:56:14 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    America's second president, John Adams, died 200 years ago today.

    Apparently he wasnrCOt a fan of free speech ...
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Wed Jul 8 20:31:54 2026
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    On 7/8/26 7:20 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 10:56:14 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    America's second president, John Adams, died 200 years ago today.

    Apparently he wasnrCOt a fan of free speech ...

    Sometimes power goes to people's heads even when they seem basically
    good. His presidency and support for the Alien and Sedition Acts is a
    case in point.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jul 9 02:49:34 2026
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    On Wed, 8 Jul 2026 20:31:54 -0400, Gary McGath wrote:

    On 7/8/26 7:20 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 10:56:14 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    America's second president, John Adams, died 200 years ago today.

    Apparently he wasnrCOt a fan of free speech ...

    Sometimes power goes to people's heads even when they seem basically
    good. His presidency and support for the Alien and Sedition Acts is
    a case in point.

    How did the checks and balances work back then?
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jul 9 05:14:13 2026
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    On 7/8/26 10:49 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    On Wed, 8 Jul 2026 20:31:54 -0400, Gary McGath wrote:

    On 7/8/26 7:20 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Jul 2026 10:56:14 -0000 (UTC), Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    America's second president, John Adams, died 200 years ago today.

    Apparently he wasnrCOt a fan of free speech ...

    Sometimes power goes to people's heads even when they seem basically
    good. His presidency and support for the Alien and Sedition Acts is
    a case in point.

    How did the checks and balances work back then?

    Congress and the president were on the same side, which is always
    trouble. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed in 1798, and it wasn't
    till 1803 (Marbury v. Madison) that it was established that the Supreme
    Court could void unconstitutional laws.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jul 9 08:40:23 2026
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    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    On 7/8/26 10:49 PM, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
    How did the checks and balances work back then?

    Congress and the president were on the same side, which is always
    trouble. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed in 1798, and it wasn't
    till 1803 (Marbury v. Madison) that it was established that the Supreme >Court could void unconstitutional laws.

    Which is to say that they worked well but very very slowly.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@kfl@KeithLynch.net to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Thu Jul 9 13:25:44 2026
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    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    Congress and the president were on the same side, which is always
    trouble. The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed in 1798, and it
    wasn't till 1803 (Marbury v. Madison) that it was established that
    the Supreme Court could void unconstitutional laws.

    Which is to say that they worked well but very very slowly.

    I don't agree that they worked well, given that after a quarter
    millennium there are still plenty of rights without remedies.

    "Sorry that a cop killed your innocent son just because he was
    startled by a loud noise. But you can't sue, as cops have qualified
    immunity. Instead we're issued you an official writ of 'it sucks to
    be you.'"

    "Sorry that your father spent twenty years in prison for a crime the prosecutors had proof all along that he didn't commit. But he can't
    sue, as prosecutors have absolute immunity. Instead we're issued him
    an official writ of 'our bad, so sad.'"

    "Sorry that you're still serving a life sentence in a Virginia prison
    for murdering someone who was later found to be alive and well. But
    this fact wasn't discovered within the statutory 21 days so it doesn't
    count. The Supreme Court ruled that this was okay in their official
    decision 'awful but lawful.'" (My wrongful conviction still stands 49
    years after conviction and 47 years after I proved my innocence. But
    the difference, 2 years, is a lot more than 21 days, I have to admit.)
    --
    Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.
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