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In reporting the results of Hungary's election, The Guardian quoted US
House of Rep-!res-!ent-!at-!ives Minor-!ity Leader Hakeem Jef-!fries as saying that the res-!ults of the Hun-!garian elec-!tion did not bode well for the Trump admin-!is-!tra-!tion. "Far-right author-!it-!arian Viktor Orb|in has lost the election. Trump syco-!phants and Maga extrem-!ists in Con-!gress
are up next in Novem-!ber. Winter is com-!ing."

(The only problem, I guess, is that "winter is coming" was originally
meant as a bad thing for everyone. I'm pretty sure Jeffries meant it
only for the Trump syco-!phants and Maga extrem-!ists.)
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In article <10rilal$3927a$2@dont-email.me>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

In reporting the results of Hungary's election, The Guardian quoted
US House of Rep!res!ent!at!ives Minor!ity Leader Hakeem Jef!fries as
saying that the res!ults of the Hun!garian elec!tion did not bode
well for the Trump admin!is!tra!tion. "Far-right author!it!arian
Viktor Orbbn has lost the election. Trump syco!phants and Maga
extrem!ists in Con!gress are up next in Novem!ber. Winter is
com!ing."

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.
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On 4/13/26 11:41, Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <10rilal$3927a$2@dont-email.me>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

In reporting the results of Hungary's election, The Guardian quoted
US House of Rep-!res-!ent-!at-!ives Minor-!ity Leader Hakeem Jef-!fries as >> saying that the res-!ults of the Hun-!garian elec-!tion did not bode
well for the Trump admin-!is-!tra-!tion. "Far-right author-!it-!arian
Viktor Orb|in has lost the election. Trump syco-!phants and Maga
extrem-!ists in Con-!gress are up next in Novem-!ber. Winter is
com-!ing."

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.

???
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and a small pickle." [-uncredited sign at a protest]
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In article <10rj4ur$3a63c$1@dont-email.me>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.

???

Was that you querying what I meant, or your bewilderment as to what
happened?
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On 4/13/2026 9:17 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 4/13/26 11:41, Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <10rilal$3927a$2@dont-email.me>,
evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

In reporting the results of Hungary's election, The Guardian quoted
US House of Rep-!res-!ent-!at-!ives Minor-!ity Leader Hakeem Jef-!fries as >>> saying that the res-!ults of the Hun-!garian elec-!tion did not bode
well for the Trump admin-!is-!tra-!tion. "Far-right author-!it-!arian
Viktor Orb|in has lost the election. Trump syco-!phants and Maga
extrem-!ists in Con-!gress are up next in Novem-!ber. Winter is
com-!ing."

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.

???

I think, based on all the hyphens I see, he's saying the "far-right"
should be two words, not hyphenated.
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Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

Paul Dormer wrote:

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.

???

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious
hyphens. "Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.
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On 4/13/26 12:59, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

Evelyn C. Leeper <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> wrote:

Paul Dormer wrote:

You seem to have a surplus of hyphens.

???

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious
hyphens. "Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.

I don't see surplus hyphens when I read it in Thunderbird or in the text editor on the Mac, but if I cut and paste it into "vi" suddenly they are everywhere. Since I cut and pasted from The Guardian, I have to conclude
their website has hidden hyphens somehow, which may or may not be
visible in other readers.

And when I do an "od -c" of just the word "Representatives" I get:

0000000 R e p 302 255 r e s 302 255 e n t 302 255 a 0000020 t 302 255 i v e s
0000027

"cat -v" gives:

Rep?M--res?M--ent?M--at?M--ives

"wc" tells me a file containing just that word has 23 characters, while
the word itself is only 15 characters.

Is this some fancy trick to keep people from cutting and pasting lines
from Guardian articles?
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and a small pickle." [-uncredited sign at a protest]
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 13:57:00 -0400, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

I don't see surplus hyphens when I read it in Thunderbird or in the
text editor on the Mac ...

I see them in Emacs: U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN.
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"Evelyn C. Leeper" <evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com> writes:

Since I cut and pasted from The Guardian, I have to conclude their
website has hidden hyphens somehow, which may or may not be visible in
other readers.

...

Is this some fancy trick to keep people from cutting and pasting lines
from Guardian articles?

My guess is those characters are hints to some javascript [1] on their
page about acceptable places to hyphenate words. Why cut and paste
preserved them is an exercise for us befuddled.

[1] Gods, I hate javascript. A bad language for doing bad things,
invented by a bad person.
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to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
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On 4/13/26 5:06 PM, Steve Coltrin wrote:

[1] Gods, I hate javascript. A bad language for doing bad things,
invented by a bad person.

Why do you say Brendan Eich is a bad person?
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 15:06:00 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:

[1] Gods, I hate javascript.

Any language with lexical binding in it canrCOt be *all* bad. ;)
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

Any language with lexical binding in it canrCOt be *all* bad. ;)

I have sbcl on my machine and it is nowhere near as bloated and
adversarial as a web browser.
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"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 16:48:53 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:

Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

Any language with lexical binding in it canrCOt be *all* bad. ;)

I have sbcl on my machine and it is nowhere near as bloated and
adversarial as a web browser.

But does it have a DOM?

const main_box = document.getElementById("main-box")

function nr_rows()
{
return main_box.querySelectorAll(":scope > div").length
} /*nr_rows*/

function* each_input_field()
{
for (const field of main_box.querySelectorAll(":scope > div > input[type=\"text\"]"))
{
yield field
} /*for*/
} /*each_input_field*/
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In article <10rj7cs$ord$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious
hyphens. "Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.

I'm not seeing the circumflexed A, just a hyphen in the original text.

For instance: Rep-res-ent-at-ives Minor-ity

Now there's an extra oddity. When I cut and pasted to Notepad, the
hyphens disappeared so I added them back. But when I cut and pasted from Notepad to here, I got double hyphens.

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On 4/14/26 06:18, Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <10rj7cs$ord$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious
hyphens. "Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.

I'm not seeing the circumflexed A, just a hyphen in the original text.

For instance: Rep-res-ent-at-ives Minor-ity

Now there's an extra oddity. When I cut and pasted to Notepad, the
hyphens disappeared so I added them back. But when I cut and pasted from Notepad to here, I got double hyphens.

Same as with Text Edit on the Mac.
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and a small pickle." [-uncredited sign at a protest]
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 16:48:53 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:

Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

Any language with lexical binding in it canrCOt be *all* bad. ;)

I have sbcl on my machine and it is nowhere near as bloated and
adversarial as a web browser.

But does it have a DOM?

See previous under 'bloated and adversarial'. (There's probably a
package in quicklisp for that.)
--
Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press
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On 4/14/2026 6:14 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

On 4/14/26 06:18, Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <10rj7cs$ord$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net
(Keith F.
Lynch) wrote:

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious
hyphens.-a "Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.

I'm not seeing the circumflexed A, just a hyphen in the original text.

For instance: Rep-res-ent-at-ives Minor-ity

Now there's an extra oddity.-a When I cut and pasted to Notepad, the
hyphens disappeared so I added them back.-a But when I cut and pasted from >> Notepad to here, I got double hyphens.

Same as with Text Edit on the Mac.

That sounds like what someone suggested earlier, to wit, instructions to
the program for where hyphens can go when splitting a word when word
warping a paragraph.

When I used to use Word*Star (not wysiwyg) I had to set that up
manually, then the word, with the hyphen instructions, would go into the dictionary, and the next time it wrapped a paragraph it would split the
words where I'd told it to, not in the middle of a syllable, as it often
would if I hadn't given it instructions.
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 09:11:43 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:

Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2026 16:48:53 -0600, Steve Coltrin wrote:

Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

Any language with lexical binding in it canrCOt be *all* bad. ;)

I have sbcl on my machine and it is nowhere near as bloated and
adversarial as a web browser.

But does it have a DOM?

See previous under 'bloated and adversarial'.

So thatrCOs a rCLnorCY, then.

(There's probably a package in quicklisp for that.)

So it can become just as rCLbloated and adversarialrCY as JavaScript?

(Seems like yourCOre trying to have it both ways.)

function add_row()
{
rowindex += 1
const newelt = add_element
(
main_box,
"div",
null,
{"style" : "grid-column : 1 / 2", "id" : "line_" + rowindex.toString()}
)
add_element(newelt, "input", {"type" : "text", "name" : "number[" + rowindex.toString() + "]"})
newelt.style.setProperty("transform-origin", "center top")
newelt.style.setProperty
(
"transition",
"transform " + transition_time.toString() + "s"
)
newelt.style.setProperty("transform", "scale(1, 0)")
setTimeout
(
function()
{
newelt.addEventListener
(
"transitionend",
function (evt)
{
newelt.style.removeProperty("transform-origin")
newelt.style.removeProperty("transform")
newelt.style.removeProperty("transition")
set_enabling_fewer()
}
)
newelt.style.setProperty("transform", "scale(1, 1)")
},
10
)
} /*add_row*/
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

function add_row()

Listen, I don't know why you're spouting source code at me in a language
I don't speak.
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There are two views of email (and, equivalently, newsgroup posts).
They're plain text, or they're code. The advantage of code is that
with the correct code and the correct software, it can generate
graphics, colorful animation, or pretty much anything else.

But the downside is enormous. I won't claim that it could start
WWIII or bring an AI apocalypse. But it definintely could turn one's
computer into a child porn server, resulting in an innocent person
being sentenced to life without parole. It has happened. And that's
quite bad enough.

That's why I only view email and newsgroup posts as plain text.
I always have and I always will.
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2026 11:18 +0100 (BST), Paul Dormer wrote:

In article <10rj7cs$ord$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith
F.
Lynch) wrote:

I saw her message full of spurious spaces rather than spurious hyphens.
"Jef-!frie," "res-!ult," etc.

I'm not seeing the circumflexed A, just a hyphen in the original text.

For instance: Rep-res-ent-at-ives Minor-ity

Now there's an extra oddity. When I cut and pasted to Notepad, the
hyphens disappeared so I added them back. But when I cut and pasted
from Notepad to here, I got double hyphens.

I use Pan, and don't see any problems. I couldn't figure out
what was going on in this thread, so I waited a day and tried
the following experiments: copy-pasted from Pan to Libre Office
and don't see any problems. Copy-pasted from Pan to my preferred
editor, which is derived from an ancient tool called xedit, and
I see the hyphens. Go figure.

Anyway, thanks for the memory, though. On August 23, 2011 I was at work
on the 12th floor of a building in Silver Spring, Maryland when
the famous Virginia Earthquake hit. For me and others on the
floor it was five seconds of terrible shaking. But a co-worker
who was coming up in the elevator at that moment was baffled
when the doors opened and he saw people running around in panic.
He hadn't felt a thing.

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On 4/14/26 10:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

There are two views of email (and, equivalently, newsgroup posts).
They're plain text, or they're code. The advantage of code is that
with the correct code and the correct software, it can generate
graphics, colorful animation, or pretty much anything else.

But the downside is enormous. I won't claim that it could start
WWIII or bring an AI apocalypse. But it definintely could turn one's computer into a child porn server, resulting in an innocent person
being sentenced to life without parole. It has happened. And that's
quite bad enough.

That's why I only view email and newsgroup posts as plain text.
I always have and I always will.

I'll sometimes view an email message as HTML if I'm expecting it and
that's the only way to get the information out of it. In the vast
majority of cases, though, I view email as text. If the messages on a
list appear as one unbroken, hard-to-read block, I don't stay subscribed
to the list very long.

The worst is that all the major mailing list services rewrite links to
go through their server, letting them monitor your clicks and hiding
where the lik actually goes. Even people who complain about Web privacy
seem strangely OK with this. The other day I got a message about my
EZ-Pass account with a link that was rewritten that way, saying I had to update my credit card info. It actually was legitimate but was indistinguishable from a scam. I went straight to the EZ-pass site
rather than using the link.
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On 4/14/26 10:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

There are two views of email (and, equivalently, newsgroup posts).
They're plain text, or they're code. The advantage of code is that
with the correct code and the correct software, it can generate
graphics, colorful animation, or pretty much anything else.

The original message being referred to WAS in fact plain text. But it was plain text with high-bit characters embedded in it inadvertently, it seems.

For the most part, Usenet today is 8-bit true and so are mail systems.
So things like this can happen.
--scott
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On 4/15/2026 1:54 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

On 4/14/26 10:41 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

There are two views of email (and, equivalently, newsgroup posts).
They're plain text, or they're code. The advantage of code is that
with the correct code and the correct software, it can generate
graphics, colorful animation, or pretty much anything else.

The original message being referred to WAS in fact plain text. But it was plain text with high-bit characters embedded in it inadvertently, it seems.

For the most part, Usenet today is 8-bit true and so are mail systems.
So things like this can happen.

We used to have a lot more trouble in this group with 7 bit vs
8 bit transports. Google Groups, for one, used a weird quoting
system, and some ancient newreaders (eg, trn if you didn't use
the right options) would just strip the high bit, and not add
the correct headers.

This became a problem here because quoted text might pass
through several different servers and newsreaders.

pt
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:00:01 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer wrote:

I use Pan, and don't see any problems.

Obviously Pan is hiding the soft hyphens. Which makes sense, given
what theyrCOre supposed to be for.
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On Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:58:42 -0400, Gary McGath wrote:

I'll sometimes view an email message as HTML if I'm expecting it and
that's the only way to get the information out of it.

I use Claws, which doesnrCOt have that option (which is why I use it).
But you can at least view the source of the HTML (which is often just
plain repulsive).

The worst is that all the major mailing list services rewrite links
to go through their server, letting them monitor your clicks and
hiding where the lik actually goes. Even people who complain about
Web privacy seem strangely OK with this.

I see that as training their customers to click on random links, which
is the direct opposite of the advice from those trying to fight
against phishing attacks.

My insurance company does this. The links used to go to some Adobe
site (obviously they offer a link-tracking service--who knew?). The
last one, at least, now puts them through a subdomain of their own
domain. It may very well still be Adobe behind the scenes, but at
least it now looks like a more trustworthy site.
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