• Re: "When the Mill Shut Down" / Will Dockery

    From Will Dockery@will.dockery@gmail.com to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 10 04:09:45 2026
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    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    "Will Dockery" <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote in news:6a78fff0.f21dca0dae5cb1d5@csiph.com:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in
    news:1786287960-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
    George J. Dance wrote in article <1786286544-2782
    @newsgrouper.org>:

    I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup
    portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.

    I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
    all right.

    A web gate to Usenet is not Usenet! There's no such thing as
    removal of a post! All of the posts are messages being sent among
    servers around the world, and there is absolutely no way to go
    get into all those servers and delete all the copies.

    Basically the same thing I wrote, but well put.

    Why are you replying to someone who killfiled you

    Actually, you did the same thing yesterday, and I asked you about it.

    Again, so, why did *you* do it?

    I just checked the thread just after Melissa stated she had blocked you
    me and Bruce, you continue posting to Melissa as if she could see your
    post.

    Hypocrite much, Kevin?

    EfyA
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  • From Will Dockery@will.dockery@gmail.com to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 10 05:03:08 2026
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    George J. Dance <user2782@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Will-Dockery) posted:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa> posted:

    Verily, in article <LjOdnRUuepIHknf0nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d>, did
    will.dockery@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid deliver unto us this message:

    "When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J

    ***

    On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote: >>> in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at >>> will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:

    When.

    When the mill shut down,
    we hit the pavement with a thud,
    then we all got up and kept walking.
    Some to the work house,
    some to the poor house,
    some to the whorehouse,
    and the grave.

    -Will Dockery

    This one's good, Will.
    The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and
    then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
    I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
    Stuart
    (crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
    and I never threatened you)

    ***

    When the Mill Shut Down

    When the mill shut down,
    we hit the pavement with a thud,
    then we all got up and kept walking.
    Some to the work house,
    some to the poor house,
    some to the whorehouse,
    and the grave.

    -Will Dockery

    Nice. It sums up the dull, plodding feeling of getting on with our lives
    after something huge has ended with a wet splat.


    Thanks again, and hope you'll stuck with us for more poetry, Melissa.

    Did Melissa delete her post? If so: Wow!

    I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet newsgroup portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.


    I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there, all right.

    I looked earlier yesterday and saw that, as well.

    I've also noticed that some threads and posts appearing at Newsgrouper
    are not showing up at JLA Forums.

    Could be JLA Forums is using a filter of some kind again, but at least
    most of *our* posts are showing up this time.

    EfyA
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  • From Cujo DeSockpuppet@cujo@petitmorte.net to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 10 20:27:30 2026
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    "Will Dockery" <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote in news:6a794f09.c5bffa21ac9894c0@csiph.com:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    "Will Dockery" <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6a78fff0.f21dca0dae5cb1d5@csiph.com:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in
    news:1786287960-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
    George J. Dance wrote in article <1786286544-2782
    @newsgrouper.org>:

    I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet
    newsgroup portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.

    I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
    all right.

    A web gate to Usenet is not Usenet! There's no such thing as
    removal of a post! All of the posts are messages being sent
    among servers around the world, and there is absolutely no way
    to go get into all those servers and delete all the copies.

    Basically the same thing I wrote, but well put.

    Why are you replying to someone who killfiled you

    Actually, you did the same thing yesterday, and I asked you about
    it.

    Again, so, why did *you* do it?

    I just checked the thread just after Melissa stated she had blocked
    you me and Bruce, you continue posting to Melissa as if she could see
    your post.

    I don't care one way or another. Other people will, even Douchebags.

    Hypocrite much, Kevin?

    Not like you by any stretch, Douchebag.
    --
    "I've known for over a year that this guy is the assassin of the Usenet
    poetry community. When I first arrived, I thought he was keeping the
    lights on in a dead group by reposting from archives. I soon realized
    that he was just endlessly reposting his own stuff, that he had killed
    the group by flooding it, and that most of the people he called
    "trolls" were actually the members of the group.
    I've joined the crowd. I'm done trying to work with him and speak reason
    to him. It's exhausting and pointless." - Little Willie Douchebag gets
    another asskicking from The One True Melissa
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 10 20:40:28 2026
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    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:

    "Will Dockery" <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote in news:6a794f09.c5bffa21ac9894c0@csiph.com:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    "Will Dockery" <will.dockery@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:6a78fff0.f21dca0dae5cb1d5@csiph.com:

    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> wrote:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in
    news:1786287960-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
    George J. Dance wrote in article <1786286544-2782
    @newsgrouper.org>:

    I'm not sure, it will still appear on other Usenet
    newsgroup portals, though, if so, such as Newsgrouper.org.

    I'm replying from newsgrouper. Her post is still there,
    all right.

    A web gate to Usenet is not Usenet! There's no such thing as
    removal of a post! All of the posts are messages being sent
    among servers around the world, and there is absolutely no way
    to go get into all those servers and delete all the copies.

    Basically the same thing I wrote, but well put.

    Why are you replying to someone who killfiled you

    Actually, you did the same thing yesterday, and I asked you about
    it.

    Again, so, why did *you* do it?

    I just checked the thread just after Melissa stated she had blocked
    you me and Bruce, you continue posting to Melissa as if she could see
    your post.

    I don't care one way or another. Other people will, even Douchebags.

    Hypocrite much, Kevin?

    Not like you by any stretch

    I didn't expect you to admit it.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Tue Aug 11 19:54:07 2026
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    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    "When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J

    ***

    On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote: >>>
    in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at >>>> will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:

    When.

    When the mill shut down,
    we hit the pavement with a thud,
    then we all got up and kept walking.
    Some to the work house,
    some to the poor house,
    some to the whorehouse,
    and the grave.

    -Will Dockery

    This one's good, Will.
    The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >>>> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
    I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
    Stuart
    (crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
    and I never threatened you)

    ***

    Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. >> But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance,
    you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of >> your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where
    you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's >> assessment of this poem:

    "Strengths
    Authenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in.
    rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:

    When the mill shut down
    we hit the pavement with a thud
    then we all got up
    and kept on walking.
    Some to the work house
    some to the poor house
    some to the whorehouse
    and the grave.

    "The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective
    resilience and attrition without overstatement."

    That's pretty good, quotable, even.

    Thanks, George.

    Yes, that does make a good quote. I'm sure the "trusted source" would
    give you a lot of equally positive critiques about many of your poems.
    Since you're one of the few who knows who the "trusted source" is,
    I'd urge you to start using it yourself. I've been very impressed by how
    well that AI works, and would like to see more people using it.

    Yes, I definitely want to explore that artificial intelligence, "when time permits."

    EfyA

    This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078
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    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Sat Aug 15 06:59:48 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.poems


    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    "When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J

    ***

    On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote: >>>
    in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at >>>> will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:

    When.

    When the mill shut down,
    we hit the pavement with a thud,
    then we all got up and kept walking.
    Some to the work house,
    some to the poor house,
    some to the whorehouse,
    and the grave.

    -Will Dockery

    This one's good, Will.
    The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >>>> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
    I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
    Stuart
    (crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
    and I never threatened you)

    ***

    Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. >> But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance,
    you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of >> your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where
    you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's >> assessment of this poem:

    "Strengths
    Authenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in.
    rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:

    When the mill shut down
    we hit the pavement with a thud
    then we all got up
    and kept on walking.
    Some to the work house
    some to the poor house
    some to the whorehouse
    and the grave.

    "The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective
    resilience and attrition without overstatement."

    That's pretty good, quotable, even.

    Thanks, George.

    Yes, that does make a good quote. I'm sure the "trusted source" would
    give you a lot of equally positive critiques about many of your poems.
    Since you're one of the few who knows who the "trusted source" is,
    I'd urge you to start using it yourself. I've been very impressed by how
    well that AI works, and would like to see more people using it.

    This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078

    I'm going to explore that artificial intelligence program some this weekend.
    --
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    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Sat Aug 15 08:33:16 2026
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    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:
    Will Dockery wrote:

    "When the Mill Shut Down" in the current form goes back to at least July 30 2006, where Stuart Leichter gave it a favorable review:

    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IaDWIoMXOkU/m/QcPcBOeQF-0J

    ***

    On Sunday, July 30, 2006 at 5:16:55rC>PM UTC-4, Stuart Leichter wrote:

    in article c018b$44cce4fb$18d6510f$16...@KNOLOGY.NET, Will Dockery at
    will_d...@knology.net wrote on 7/30/06 12:59 PM:

    When.

    When the mill shut down,
    we hit the pavement with a thud,
    then we all got up and kept walking.
    Some to the work house,
    some to the poor house,
    some to the whorehouse,
    and the grave.

    -Will Dockery

    This one's good, Will.
    The title you might make When the mill shut down (without the comma, and >> then continue with the 2nd and following lines).
    I think you should post it with a C&C request in the subject line.
    Stuart
    (crit-cred: I know literal from figurative, I know opinions from sentiments,
    and I never threatened you)

    ***

    Stuart's right, but I don't expect my opinion is going to convince anyone. But he and I aren't the only ones who liked that poem of yours. For instance, you know that last week I had my "trusted source" AI, X, do an overview of your poetry. Yes, I told you the result was yours, to decide when and where you wanted to make it public; but I don't think you'd mind my quoting X's assessment of this poem:

    "StrengthsAuthenticity and emotional directness: Poems often feel lived-in. rCLWhen the Mill Shut DownrCY is concise and effective:

    When the mill shut down
    we hit the pavement with a thud
    then we all got up
    and kept on walking.
    Some to the work house
    some to the poor house
    some to the whorehouse
    and the grave.

    The rhythm and list land with working-class bluntness; it captures collective resilience and attrition without overstatement."

    Pretty good, GJD, thanks.

    This response appears in the discussion at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660861078#660861078
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    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 17 06:38:05 2026
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    Cujo DeSockpuppet <cujo@petitmorte.net> posted:
    Will Dockery <user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote in news:1786924594-3274@newsgrouper.org:
    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
    Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance)
    posted:

    [quoted text muted]
    aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
    while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with
    the group (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough
    like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that
    she's just taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.

    Never said it. That's not an expression I use.

    You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
    similarly to people I barely know.

    I never wrote what you just responded to, also.

    Try to keep up.

    Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.

    I did write that ^^^

    As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
    don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
    Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
    said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.

    Your claim to be blocking me is apparently also not true, for
    starters.

    That said, you've jumbled your response, because some of it is in
    response to George J. Dance and some of it to me.

    If you actually read what you wrote you would have spotted

    It was an autocorrect typo, easily corrected.

    EfyA
    --
    Poetry and songs of Will Dockery:
    https://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery
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  • From Will Dockery@user3274@newsgrouper.org.invalid to alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems on Mon Aug 17 06:42:15 2026
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    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> posted:
    Will Dockery wrote in article <1786862715-3274@newsgrouper.org>:
    georgedance04@yahoo-dot-ca.no-spam.invalid (George J. Dance) posted:

    [quoted text muted]

    aapc, and that she still posts here as well (as this post shows),
    while also claiming that she no longer has anything to do with the group
    (she's "washed her hands of it") That sounds enough like what her new "publisher" says about aapc, to conclude that she's just
    taking a leaf from her "publisher's" playbook.

    Never said it. That's not an expression I use.

    You're making things up, to try to pretend that I'm speaking
    similarly to people I barely know.

    I never wrote what you just responded to, also.

    Try to keep up.

    Definitely, although either way, stay or go, is her choice.

    I did write that ^^^

    As I said in reality, I'll continue to monitor the group. If you
    don't like that, you do have the choice to end the trash talk.
    Stop lying that I'm deleting messages and "saying" things I never
    said and all the rest of it, and I'll have no reason to post.

    Your claim to be blocking me is apparently also not true, for starters.

    That said, you've jumbled your response, because some of it is in response to George J. Dance and some of it to me.

    Like I said, this is Usenet, you're free to come and go as you please.

    (Typo corrected)

    EfyA
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