The Doctor, Romana, and K-9 arrive on Tara to search for the
fourth segment. It's surprisingly simple. While Romana locates it
as part of a statue, the Doctor goes fishing.
Their luck does not last. Romana is attacked by a monster and
saved by a local, Count Grendel. With a name like that, we know
he's unlikely to be a nice guy. For some reason, he seems to
think Romana is an android.
Meanwhile, the Doctor has been located by two swordsmen and
pressed into service. Prince Reynart needs the Doctor to repair
an android copy of himself, to protect his claim to the throne
from Count Grendel. The android is supposed to be a decoy, but
Grendel strikes first and kidnaps Reynart.
Reynart has to be present at the appointed coronation or else
forfeit his claim to the throne. When the Doctor and the two
retainers recover from being drugged, they decide to mix things
up by crowning the android. Romana has been imprisoned with the
real Reynart, and she learns that she is identical to another
captive, Princess Strella.
The Doctor's team gets the android to the throne room, and the
ceremony begins, but they know the android will be spotted soon.
Then, Strella enters the throne room and pledges allegiance --
but the Doctor suddenly yells "No!" and bashes her in the head.
It was only an android, and they determine that it was programmed
to kill Reynart. The ceremony is delayed while they look for
other possible androids. The fake Reynart is watched over by the
two swordsmen, Zadek and Farrah.
Grendel learns that Romana and the Doctor know each other, and he
gets his android maker to make another copy of Strella to be a
fake Romana. The fake is supposed to kill the Doctor. K-9
determines that Count Grendel has Reynart, Strella, and Romana
locked up in his castle -- something really should have been done
about that guy long ago.
Grendel's servant pops up and tells the Doctor that Romana is at
the Pavilion of the Summer Winds, but of course it's a trap. The
real Romana escapes and heads off to find the Doctor. She gets to
the Pavilion and helps the Doctor flee. Grendel destroys the
android Reynart and then recaptures Romana.
Grendel has a new plan in which Romana-as-Strella will take the
throne by marriage. Grendel will then kill the king, marry
Romana/Strella himself, and be crowned the new king. I have my
doubts about Tara's system for handing out thrones.
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
This is a good episode, but not one of my favorites. The pacing's
a little off, and there are so many identical beings running
around that it goes from complex into goofy. It's watchable and
interesting, though.
8/10
Wiglaf kills Hamlet according to Saxo which means Hamlet is the
monster Wiglaf helped Beowulf to kill at the end of the epic
of Beowulf.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pnkm$3d39r$1@dont-email.me>:
Wiglaf kills Hamlet according to Saxo which means Hamlet is the
monster Wiglaf helped Beowulf to kill at the end of the epic
of Beowulf.
Very interesting take. It's difficult to explain how Hamlet
became a firedrake, though.
The Doctor, Romana, and K-9 arrive on Tara to search for the
fourth segment. It's surprisingly simple. While Romana locates it
as part of a statue, the Doctor goes fishing.
Their luck does not last. Romana is attacked by a monster and
saved by a local, Count Grendel. With a name like that, we know
he's unlikely to be a nice guy. For some reason, he seems to
think Romana is an android.
Meanwhile, the Doctor has been located by two swordsmen and
pressed into service. Prince Reynart needs the Doctor to repair
an android copy of himself, to protect his claim to the throne
from Count Grendel. The android is supposed to be a decoy, but
Grendel strikes first and kidnaps Reynart.
Reynart has to be present at the appointed coronation or else
forfeit his claim to the throne. When the Doctor and the two
retainers recover from being drugged, they decide to mix things
up by crowning the android. Romana has been imprisoned with the
real Reynart, and she learns that she is identical to another
captive, Princess Strella.
The Doctor's team gets the android to the throne room, and the
ceremony begins, but they know the android will be spotted soon.
Then, Strella enters the throne room and pledges allegiance --
but the Doctor suddenly yells "No!" and bashes her in the head.
It was only an android, and they determine that it was programmed
to kill Reynart. The ceremony is delayed while they look for
other possible androids. The fake Reynart is watched over by the
two swordsmen, Zadek and Farrah.
Grendel learns that Romana and the Doctor know each other, and he
gets his android maker to make another copy of Strella to be a
fake Romana. The fake is supposed to kill the Doctor. K-9
determines that Count Grendel has Reynart, Strella, and Romana
locked up in his castle -- something really should have been done
about that guy long ago.
Grendel's servant pops up and tells the Doctor that Romana is at
the Pavilion of the Summer Winds, but of course it's a trap. The
real Romana escapes and heads off to find the Doctor. She gets to
the Pavilion and helps the Doctor flee. Grendel destroys the
android Reynart and then recaptures Romana.
Grendel has a new plan in which Romana-as-Strella will take the
throne by marriage. Grendel will then kill the king, marry
Romana/Strella himself, and be crowned the new king. I have my
doubts about Tara's system for handing out thrones.
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
This is a good episode, but not one of my favorites. The pacing's
a little off, and there are so many identical beings running
around that it goes from complex into goofy. It's watchable and
interesting, though.
8/10
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor, Romana, and K-9 arrive on Tara to search for the
fourth segment. It's surprisingly simple. While Romana locates it
as part of a statue, the Doctor goes fishing.
Their luck does not last. Romana is attacked by a monster and
saved by a local, Count Grendel. With a name like that, we know
he's unlikely to be a nice guy. For some reason, he seems to
think Romana is an android.
It's the name of Hamlet's grandfather. It's spelled Gerwendil in Saxo >Grammaticus but they're both the same person if you look at the kings
list for Denmark in Beowulf and compare it with the list for Denmark in
Saxo and other sources.
Beowulf son of Skyld/Scioldus = Fridleifr son of Skioldr in Anglo-Saxons >kings lists.
Beowulf father of Healfdene = Frotho I of Denmark (483 BC)/Frode king of
the Angles, son of Havar Handrami/Hadingus/Hunding, son of Fridleifr (or
son of Gram son of Scioldus), son of Fridfrode, son of Fridleifr, son of >Skioldr/Scioldus
Healfdene = Haldanus king of Denark (464-450 BC) father of Rhoe, Helgo,
and Hotherus/Hother.
The main Beoewulf of the poem is the son of Ecgtheow (or Edgetheow)
Heorogar = Rhoe, Hrothgar king of Denmark = Hotherus king of
Denmark/Hother king of Sweden, Halga = Helgo/Helgi
Amleth = Hamlet (c.351-330 BC)
Wiglek = Wiglaf son of Weohstan = Wiglettus
Wiglaf kills Hamlet according to Saxo which means Hamlet is the monster >Wiglaf helped Beowulf to kill at the end of the epic of Beowulf.
I can't identify the main Beowulf of the poem from any sources I have.
The Anglo-Saxon list of kings is corrupt at this point and more or less
has Frode reigning from around 508 BC to 290 BC where Varmundr Vitri can
be matched up with Vermundus king of Denmark.
Meanwhile, the Doctor has been located by two swordsmen and
pressed into service. Prince Reynart needs the Doctor to repair
an android copy of himself, to protect his claim to the throne
from Count Grendel. The android is supposed to be a decoy, but
Grendel strikes first and kidnaps Reynart.
Reynart has to be present at the appointed coronation or else
forfeit his claim to the throne. When the Doctor and the two
retainers recover from being drugged, they decide to mix things
up by crowning the android. Romana has been imprisoned with the
real Reynart, and she learns that she is identical to another
captive, Princess Strella.
The Doctor's team gets the android to the throne room, and the
ceremony begins, but they know the android will be spotted soon.
Then, Strella enters the throne room and pledges allegiance --
but the Doctor suddenly yells "No!" and bashes her in the head.
It was only an android, and they determine that it was programmed
to kill Reynart. The ceremony is delayed while they look for
other possible androids. The fake Reynart is watched over by the
two swordsmen, Zadek and Farrah.
Grendel learns that Romana and the Doctor know each other, and he
gets his android maker to make another copy of Strella to be a
fake Romana. The fake is supposed to kill the Doctor. K-9
determines that Count Grendel has Reynart, Strella, and Romana
locked up in his castle -- something really should have been done
about that guy long ago.
The prince's retainers did mention they should have killed Grendel when
he came to them under a pretended flag of truce.
Grendel's servant pops up and tells the Doctor that Romana is at
the Pavilion of the Summer Winds, but of course it's a trap. The
real Romana escapes and heads off to find the Doctor. She gets to
the Pavilion and helps the Doctor flee. Grendel destroys the
android Reynart and then recaptures Romana.
Grendel has a new plan in which Romana-as-Strella will take the
throne by marriage. Grendel will then kill the king, marry
Romana/Strella himself, and be crowned the new king. I have my
doubts about Tara's system for handing out thrones.
Look at the Ottoman system in comparison where the eldest male person in
the line of succession including brothers, cousins, and uncles becomes >Sultan so they all ended up killing each other to eliminate any
competitors and make sure that only their sons would succeed to the
throne who then killed all their brothers to make way for their children
to rule.
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
This is a good episode, but not one of my favorites. The pacing's
a little off, and there are so many identical beings running
around that it goes from complex into goofy. It's watchable and
interesting, though.
8/10
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pnkm$3d39r$1@dont-email.me>:
Wiglaf kills Hamlet according to Saxo which means Hamlet is the
monster Wiglaf helped Beowulf to kill at the end of the epic
of Beowulf.
Very interesting take. It's difficult to explain how Hamlet
became a firedrake, though.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 15/08/2026 14:21, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pnkm$3d39r$1@dont-email.me>:
Wiglaf kills Hamlet according to Saxo which means Hamlet is the
monster Wiglaf helped Beowulf to kill at the end of the epic
of Beowulf.
Very interesting take. It's difficult to explain how Hamlet
became a firedrake, though.
The term dragon comes from the Viking word drakkar which is the name for
a Viking 30 oared ship which derives from the ancient Greek triakontorn
or 30 oared ship. If it breathed fire this would have been the ship >squirting out Greek fire at its enemies. It was known since at least the >time of Thucydides, which puts it in the right ballpark for Wiglaf who
lived a century later.
Hamlet/Amleth fled Wiglaf to some island off Jutland where he kept all
his wealth and which is where Wiglaf killed him.
The reference in Saxo Grammaticus to Odin being kicked out of Byzantium
in the reign of the previous king Roric Slyngeband is in fact referring
to Philip II of Macedon's siege of Byzantium and explains why Odin is >sometimes depicted in Viking imagery as only having one eye, just like >Philip II.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The term dragon comes from the Viking word drakkar which is the name for
a Viking 30 oared ship which derives from the ancient Greek triakontorn
or 30 oared ship. If it breathed fire this would have been the ship squirting out Greek fire at its enemies.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pr75$3e9ua$1@dont-email.me>:
The term dragon comes from the Viking word drakkar which is the name for
a Viking 30 oared ship which derives from the ancient Greek triakontorn
or 30 oared ship. If it breathed fire this would have been the ship
squirting out Greek fire at its enemies.
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
I'm curious as to how you explain Grendel's mother, though. Where
does she fit?
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pr75$3e9ua$1@dont-email.me>:
The term dragon comes from the Viking word drakkar which is the name for
a Viking 30 oared ship which derives from the ancient Greek triakontorn
or 30 oared ship. If it breathed fire this would have been the ship
squirting out Greek fire at its enemies.
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
I'm curious as to how you explain Grendel's mother, though. Where
does she fit?
Greek legends are interesting.
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a
theory that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other
beings in the continuum. Romana realized this, and the next
time she regenerated, she was able to try on several
different forms of various beings she'd met. Unfortunately,
she was never able to teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of
a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he
copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into
Peter Capaldi.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a
theory that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other
beings in the continuum. Romana realized this, and the next
time she regenerated, she was able to try on several
different forms of various beings she'd met. Unfortunately,
she was never able to teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of
a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he
copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into
Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of 10th Doctor
too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
Correct. Ancient people weren't idiots, so why are you presuming that
they were? They fully understood literary metaphor. Why do you think Diodorus said that the story of Daedalus and Icarus was originally
derived from them rowing away on a ship? Who do you think told him that? Unless you're going to claim that the Mycenaean Greeks invented hang
gliders then the only rational explanation is the one Diodorus gave. He
also said the reason Icarus died was because he drowned after falling overboard.
On 15/08/2026 15:34, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115pr75$3e9ua$1@dont-email.me>:
The term dragon comes from the Viking word drakkar which is the name for >>> a Viking 30 oared ship which derives from the ancient Greek triakontorn
or 30 oared ship. If it breathed fire this would have been the ship
squirting out Greek fire at its enemies.
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >Diodorus. Pretty obvious really.
--
I'm curious as to how you explain Grendel's mother, though. Where
does she fit?
Saxo Grammatius doesn't mention Gerwendil's mother. He's described as a >former governor of the Jutes who may or may not be equated with the
Geats. The Ynglinga saga doesn't say much either.
--
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a
theory that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other
beings in the continuum. Romana realized this, and the next
time she regenerated, she was able to try on several
different forms of various beings she'd met. Unfortunately,
she was never able to teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of
a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he
copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into
Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of 10th Doctor
too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
On 15/08/2026 17:39, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Correct. Ancient people weren't idiots, so why are you presuming that
they were? They fully understood literary metaphor. Why do you think >Diodorus said that the story of Daedalus and Icarus was originally
derived from them rowing away on a ship? Who do you think told him that? >Unless you're going to claim that the Mycenaean Greeks invented hang
gliders then the only rational explanation is the one Diodorus gave. He
also said the reason Icarus died was because he drowned after falling >overboard.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of
the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since
Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that
of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient >Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of >Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all >phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC
as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from
the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are >descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence >Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga).
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of >Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us
back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the
battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place >(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628
BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said
was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion
was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones. >Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and
Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which
leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given
that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea.
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the
Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis,
Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the
Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly?
Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a
theory that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other
beings in the continuum. Romana realized this, and the next
time she regenerated, she was able to try on several
different forms of various beings she'd met. Unfortunately,
she was never able to teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of
a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he
copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into
Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of 10th Doctor
too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's not 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter Capaldi as the >Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell. Doctor Who as everyone knows
ended in 2017 almost a decade ago.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q8p9$3j51k$2@dont-email.me>:
Correct. Ancient people weren't idiots, so why are you presuming that
they were? They fully understood literary metaphor. Why do you think
Diodorus said that the story of Daedalus and Icarus was originally
derived from them rowing away on a ship? Who do you think told him that?
Unless you're going to claim that the Mycenaean Greeks invented hang
gliders then the only rational explanation is the one Diodorus gave. He
also said the reason Icarus died was because he drowned after falling
overboard.
There are a lot of reasons someone might say a thing. My first
thought is that this is his theory to explain the myth, not that
he was privy to hidden knowledge.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q8p9$3j51k$2@dont-email.me>:
Correct. Ancient people weren't idiots, so why are you presuming that
they were? They fully understood literary metaphor. Why do you think
Diodorus said that the story of Daedalus and Icarus was originally
derived from them rowing away on a ship? Who do you think told him that?
Unless you're going to claim that the Mycenaean Greeks invented hang
gliders then the only rational explanation is the one Diodorus gave. He
also said the reason Icarus died was because he drowned after falling
overboard.
There are a lot of reasons someone might say a thing. My first
thought is that this is his theory to explain the myth, not that
he was privy to hidden knowledge.
In article <MPG.44ea5fef8ad919dd98a31d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
Hamlet is Danish IIRC.
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
On 16/08/2026 01:43, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q8p9$3j51k$2@dont-email.me>:
Correct. Ancient people weren't idiots, so why are you presuming that
they were? They fully understood literary metaphor. Why do you think
Diodorus said that the story of Daedalus and Icarus was originally
derived from them rowing away on a ship? Who do you think told him that? >>> Unless you're going to claim that the Mycenaean Greeks invented hang
gliders then the only rational explanation is the one Diodorus gave. He
also said the reason Icarus died was because he drowned after falling
overboard.
There are a lot of reasons someone might say a thing. My first
thought is that this is his theory to explain the myth, not that
he was privy to hidden knowledge.
And yet there are these degenerates that claim Homer was passed down by
oral tradition despite writing existing in Greece for over 1000 years
before him and it existing in Egypt and Summaria over 1000 years earlier >still. Like they recited songs about catalogues of ship and recited
songs documenting lists of kings and lists of generation rather than
singing about the beauty of nature.
In the same manner that Sanchuniathon had access to the original
historical texts the Phoenician religion was based on, including the
primary source of the Baal Epic from Egyptian, Proto-Siniatic, or
Cuneiform inscriptions the ancient Greeks had access to the same in
addition to Linear A, Cypriot Syllabic, and Linear B. They also weren't >imbeciles and could recognise a literary metaphor and where it came
from. Dragons = 30 oared ships/triaknoters. Wings = beating oars. Hydras
= literally flowing water, like hydrants which derives from the same
root. Stmyphalian birds skewing people with darts = shitting on their heads.
The entire story of Perseus and Andromeda was derived from the Armana >letters. Cassiopeia was Ankhesenpaaten (khese[o]paa) the wife of >Kheperkheprure Ai (Cepheus) (1324-1320 BC Low Chronology). Andromeda was >Mutnedjemet ([a]ndjemet[a]) the princess the letters were written about.
The Hittite prince Zita/Shuta the letters were directed to, who was >eventually killed when travelling to Egypt to receive the princes >Mutnedjemet in marriage, was Cetus the sea monster that Perseus killed
and Perseus (1331 BC deeds, 1307 BC reigned over Mycenae (Chronicon
dating)) probably reigned over the Hittitles as Mursilis II (c.1321-1295 BC)
It's pretty simple to figure out and blindingly obvious from the
cognates for all the names, especially when the Chronicon gives you the >exact dates for Perseus and you've read the Egyptian sources. Only an >imbecile would fail to spot it.
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Manetho.htm
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4du$199p$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea5fef8ad919dd98a31d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
Hamlet is Danish IIRC.
The character is Danish, true, but the best-known work about him
is very English.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >> >> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >>>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air but it's
still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with 15 ranks of oars
all flapping at the same time is no different to a chicken flapping its >wings. It's even got a neck like a chicken with a figurehead sculpted at
the top, not to mention a tail, and it will skip over the waves like a
duck which even a chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, >wait, it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from. Same >with Giants. The term literally means Earth Born, not person of huge >stature. The huge stature idea came later since the Nephilim were the >Niflheim or people from the northern (meaning misty) lands, ie. the >Netherlands, who are the tallest people in the world even today.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>:
How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >> >>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >> >>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that
Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who
conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of
the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since
Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that
of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient
Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of
Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all
phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC
as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from
the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is
supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as
Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are
descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence
Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga).
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of
Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us
back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the
battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place
(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628
BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said
was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion
was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones.
Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god
Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the
Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and
Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which
leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as
Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given
that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea.
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the
Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis,
Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the
Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or
someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly?
Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
In article <MPG.44eb4bd1e2574e398a322@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4du$199p$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea5fef8ad919dd98a31d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
Hamlet is Danish IIRC.
The character is Danish, true, but the best-known work about him
is very English.
Amleth by Shakespeare.
On 16/08/2026 12:38, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb4bd1e2574e398a322@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4du$199p$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea5fef8ad919dd98a31d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
Hamlet is Danish IIRC.
The character is Danish, true, but the best-known work about him
is very English.
Amleth by Shakespeare.
Hamlet by Shakespeare and Shakespeare changed the ending to finish the
story early. It's already his longest play as it is.
Amleth from Gesta Danorum by Saxo Grammatius who pre-dates Shakespeare
by something like 500 years at least.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
In article <MPG.44eb68d4404d823b98a324@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >>>>>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships.
This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like >>>>>>> wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed
in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't
think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
They can still be thrown up and out of the water by the waves. Look at
how the Argo ended up in Lake Triton on its way home.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong. There's no written German before the middle
ages (750-1050 AD). How can they trace the origin of words incorporated
into the language from Greek or Latin before that? They can't! Greek has
a written history over 3500 years since Mycenaean times. The male duck
was named after the Greek and Viking ships. "Anadreko" = Ena Dreko = Ena >Drakontoron = A Trikonter.
All you need to do to prove me wrong is to find a reference to a male
duck in German that dates to before 1500 BC. I might be generous and let
you provide one which pre-dates Homer's catalogue of ships (800 BC or >earlier) where the word triakontoron is written umpteen times. I might
even let you use referencerCOs from other Indo-European languages, but
both you and I know that there are none except Greek ones, those of Homer.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 12:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb68d4404d823b98a324@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>> The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships. >>>>>>>>> This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed >>>>>>> in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't >>>>>>> think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
She isn't.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
In article <115s8t7$581c$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb68d4404d823b98a324@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>> The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships. >>>>>>>>>> This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed >>>>>>>> in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't >>>>>>>> think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
She isn't.
Oh?
In article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>> The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships. >>>>>>>>> This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed >>>>>>> in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't >>>>>>> think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
They can still be thrown up and out of the water by the waves. Look at
how the Argo ended up in Lake Triton on its way home.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong. There's no written German before the middle
ages (750-1050 AD). How can they trace the origin of words incorporated
into the language from Greek or Latin before that? They can't! Greek has
a written history over 3500 years since Mycenaean times. The male duck
was named after the Greek and Viking ships. "Anadreko" = Ena Dreko = Ena
Drakontoron = A Trikonter.
All you need to do to prove me wrong is to find a reference to a male
duck in German that dates to before 1500 BC. I might be generous and let
you provide one which pre-dates Homer's catalogue of ships (800 BC or
earlier) where the word triakontoron is written umpteen times. I might
even let you use referencerCOs from other Indo-European languages, but
both you and I know that there are none except Greek ones, those of Homer. >>
Give the times.
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had
a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as >completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis
of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a >theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that
Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who
conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of
the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since
Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that >>>> of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient >>>> Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of >>>> Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all >>>> phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC >>>> as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from >>>> the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is
supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as
Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus) >>>> who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama >>>> II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are >>>> descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence >>>> Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor >>>> and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga).
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of >>>> Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us
back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and >>>> Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the
battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place >>>> (according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628
BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said >>>> was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion >>>> was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones. >>>> Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >>>> Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the
Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and
Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which
leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >>>> Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given
that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea.
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the
Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis,
Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the
Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >>>> someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor. >>>>
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native
Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and
probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link
him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made
him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore
cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek
people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos
means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal
dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples
referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean
Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also
the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no
reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived >>from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer,
and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also
Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god.
Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at
exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as
Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites,
Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also
the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III)
hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who
migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to
Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with
Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each
other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city
or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city
states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and
Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the
Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later
became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of
Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu
Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna
might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same
gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in
Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known
as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He
survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided
by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian
history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian
and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood
stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms
the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and
Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly?
Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon
will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at
least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would
have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be
calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
On 16/08/2026 13:07, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
She knows C? What about C++ or Python? PHP? SQL? Java?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had
a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis
of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
On 16/08/2026 13:08, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s8t7$581c$2@dont-email.me>,down like
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:41, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb68d4404d823b98a324@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>>> The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships. >>>>>>>>>>> This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to
Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed >>>>>>>>> in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't >>>>>>>>> think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a >>>>>>> boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
She isn't.
Oh?
No.
How many languages does she speak?
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 13:08, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>,Hum? It's right at the start of the Iliad.
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115r4fc$199p$4@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44ea605150bdac7298a31e@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>>>> The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115q3lr$3hch7$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>>>>>>> How did it fly, though? The Greeks did not have flying ships. >>>>>>>>>> This is a great theory, but I'm not convinced.
So you've never seen a ship being rowed? The oars flap up and down like
wings. It's how Daedalus and Icarus fled from King Minos according to >>>>>>>>> Diodorus. Pretty obvious really
Yes, of course I've seen ships being rowed. They've always stayed >>>>>>>> in the water.
That's not convincing. Ancient people weren't idiots. They didn't >>>>>>>> think boats were flying because oars go up and down.
Ever rowed a boat?
Yes. It stayed in the water. Have you ever seen anyone mistake a
boat for an aircraft?
Yes. High speed ones have a tenancy to skip over the waves.
It's difficult to imagine a rowed vessel achieving such a speed.
They can still be thrown up and out of the water by the waves. Look at
how the Argo ended up in Lake Triton on its way home.
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong. There's no written German before the middle
ages (750-1050 AD). How can they trace the origin of words incorporated
into the language from Greek or Latin before that? They can't! Greek has >>> a written history over 3500 years since Mycenaean times. The male duck
was named after the Greek and Viking ships. "Anadreko" = Ena Dreko = Ena >>> Drakontoron = A Trikonter.
All you need to do to prove me wrong is to find a reference to a male
duck in German that dates to before 1500 BC. I might be generous and let >>> you provide one which pre-dates Homer's catalogue of ships (800 BC or
earlier) where the word triakontoron is written umpteen times. I might
even let you use referencerCOs from other Indo-European languages, but
both you and I know that there are none except Greek ones, those of Homer. >>>
Give the times.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story.
AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that
Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of >>>>> the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since
Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that >>>>> of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient >>>>> Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of >>>>> Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all >>>>> phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC >>>>> as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from >>>>> the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >>>>> Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus) >>>>> who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama >>>>> II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are >>>>> descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence >>>>> Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor >>>>> and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga). >>>>>
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of >>>>> Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and >>>>> Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place >>>>> (according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628 >>>>> BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said >>>>> was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion >>>>> was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones. >>>>> Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >>>>> Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the
Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and
Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which
leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >>>>> Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea.
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the
Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis,
Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the
Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >>>>> someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor. >>>>>
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native
Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and
probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link >>> him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made
him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore >>> cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek
people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos
means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal
dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples
referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean
Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also
the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no
reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived >>>from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer,
and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also
Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god. >>> Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at
exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as
Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites,
Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also
the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III)
hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who
migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to
Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with
Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each
other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city
or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city
states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and
Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the
Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later
became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of
Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu >>> Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna
might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same
gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in
Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known
as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He >>> survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided
by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian >>> history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian
and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood
stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms >>> the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and
Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon
will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at
least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would
have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be
calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >>> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >>> of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
On 16/08/2026 13:07, The Doctor wrote:
What about your C?
She knows C? What about C++ or Python? PHP? SQL? Java?
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had
a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
On 16/08/2026 13:08, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s8t7$581c$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:41, The Doctor wrote:
Linguist I see.
She isn't.
Oh?
No.
How many languages does she speak?
In article <115s9ve$5iet$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic >>>>>>> anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central >>>>>>> Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the
English word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter.
She had a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the
wrong path if you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better
English than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific
basis of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who
is a theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
Your opinion.
Mind is depends on the basis.
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as >completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a >theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
In article <115s9d6$5ako$3@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
No.
How many languages does she speak?
She is from the USA so let us see.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had
a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
At that time, in the 90s, librarianship and programming were
edging closer. A good librarian had to be able to construct basic
Boolean searches, for instance, and to understand some APIs.
Turned out I was more interested in those things than in
librarianship, though I still love language and literature.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
I do still want to get a mesh going...
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
In other words they are taught to write crap that no one but them wants
to read.
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that
Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of >>>>>> the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that >>>>>> of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient >>>>>> Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of >>>>>> Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all >>>>>> phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC >>>>>> as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from >>>>>> the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >>>>>> Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus) >>>>>> who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama >>>>>> II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are >>>>>> descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence >>>>>> Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor >>>>>> and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga). >>>>>>
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of >>>>>> Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and >>>>>> Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place >>>>>> (according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628 >>>>>> BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said >>>>>> was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion >>>>>> was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones. >>>>>> Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >>>>>> Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and
Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >>>>>> Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >>>>>> someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor. >>>>>>
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native
Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and >>>> probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link >>>> him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made >>>> him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore >>>> cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek
people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos >>>> means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal >>>> dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples
referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean
Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also
the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no >>>> reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived >>> >from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer, >>>> and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also
Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god. >>>> Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at
exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as
Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites, >>>> Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also
the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III)
hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who
migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to
Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with >>>> Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each
other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city >>>> or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city >>>> states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and
Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the
Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later
became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of
Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu >>>> Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna
might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same
gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in
Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known >>>> as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He >>>> survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided >>>> by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian >>>> history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian >>>> and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood >>>> stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms >>>> the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and >>>> Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon >>>> will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at
least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would >>>> have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be
calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si8f$89gr$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The average software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B- work,
especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music, but a
lot of people are okay with okay music. It can't write a good
story, but many people are happy with okay stories. It can't
produce art but can produce "content," and software has now
joined the list of fields churning out low-end content.
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
I do still want to get a mesh going...
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s9bb$5ako$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:07, The Doctor wrote:
What about your C?
She knows C? What about C++ or Python? PHP? SQL? Java?
Yep, I know all of those rustily. It's been a couple of decades,
though.
I preferred Perl to Python, though I stayed out of the war in
public.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had
a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
At that time, in the 90s, librarianship and programming were--
edging closer. A good librarian had to be able to construct basic
Boolean searches, for instance, and to understand some APIs.
Turned out I was more interested in those things than in
librarianship, though I still love language and literature.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
--
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have a discussion with
you. When you hear information which doesn't fit your position,
you just arrogantly declare it nonsense.
If you want to find those sources for early German, seek them
yourself. I'm certainly not going to run off to do your
"assignments" while you paint yourself as the judge and
gradegiver. You're not.
If you want me ever to take one of your "tests," you'll have to
*ask*. You don't have the power to assign me work, no matter how
generous you think you're being with your grading.
You're an intelligent and well-read man. It's disappointing that
you don't listen to others.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s9d6$5ako$3@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:08, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s8t7$581c$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:41, The Doctor wrote:
Linguist I see.
She isn't.
Oh?
No.
How many languages does she speak?
You're thinking of a polyglot. A linguist is someone who studies >linguistics.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The Doctor wrote in article <115s9v3$l2m$9@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <115s9d6$5ako$3@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
No.
How many languages does she speak?
She is from the USA so let us see.
Why is everyone interviewing me?
I speak C2 English, B2 Spanish, and B1 Dutch. I also have a
smattering of French and Swahili.
That's not enough to make me a polyglot. I'm bilingual at best,
maybe trilingual if we stretch.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 13:48, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >>> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
Trying to think of the musical. Sweet Charity? 101 Trombones and all that?
At that time, in the 90s, librarianship and programming were
edging closer. A good librarian had to be able to construct basic
Boolean searches, for instance, and to understand some APIs.
Turned out I was more interested in those things than in
librarianship, though I still love language and literature.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
In other words they are taught to write crap that no one but them wants
to read.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44eb6fd0c102e34798a325@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
I do still want to get a mesh going...
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si43$89gr$1@dont-email.me>:
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
In other words they are taught to write crap that no one but them wants
to read.
Well, not literally. :-) I don't mind literary fiction. It's
definitely less popular than the adventure and romance genres,
though.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si8f$89gr$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The average >software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B- work,
especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music, but a
lot of people are okay with okay music. It can't write a good
story, but many people are happy with okay stories. It can't
produce art but can produce "content," and software has now
joined the list of fields churning out low-end content.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 13:23, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>: >>>>>>>>> Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the
story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >>>>>>> Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of >>>>>>> the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that >>>>>>> of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient >>>>>>> Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of
Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all
phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC
as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from >>>>>>> the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >>>>>>> Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus) >>>>>>> who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama >>>>>>> II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are >>>>>>> descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence >>>>>>> Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally
Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor >>>>>>> and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga). >>>>>>>
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of
Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and >>>>>>> Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place >>>>>>> (according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628 >>>>>>> BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said
was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion
was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones.
Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >>>>>>> Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and >>>>>>> Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >>>>>>> Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also
identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >>>>>>> someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a
generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor.
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native
Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and >>>>> probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link >>>>> him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made >>>>> him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore >>>>> cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek >>>>> people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos >>>>> means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal >>>>> dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples >>>>> referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean
Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also >>>>> the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no >>>>> reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived >>>> >from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer, >>>>> and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also
Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god. >>>>> Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at
exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as
Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites, >>>>> Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also >>>>> the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III) >>>>> hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who
migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to >>>>> Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with >>>>> Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each >>>>> other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city >>>>> or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city >>>>> states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and >>>>> Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the
Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later
became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of
Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu >>>>> Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna >>>>> might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same >>>>> gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in >>>>> Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known >>>>> as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He >>>>> survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided >>>>> by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian >>>>> history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian >>>>> and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood >>>>> stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms >>>>> the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and >>>>> Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon >>>>> will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at
least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would >>>>> have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be
calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
The original source is the Phrygia by Thymaetes which predates the Bible
by at least 600 years.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 16:08, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si8f$89gr$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The average
software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B- work,
especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music, but a
AI music is better than the s*t that has been in the UK pop charts for
the last decade, and AI can sing better too.
lot of people are okay with okay music. It can't write a good
story, but many people are happy with okay stories. It can't
Neither can Chris Chibnall or Russell T Davies.
produce art but can produce "content," and software has now
Neither can any Modern artists.
joined the list of fields churning out low-end content.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <MPG.44eb98ee2f38881898a32d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si43$89gr$1@dont-email.me>:
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
In other words they are taught to write crap that no one but them wants >> to read.
Well, not literally. :-) I don't mind literary fiction. It's
definitely less popular than the adventure and romance genres,
though.
What about SF Genre?
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
In article <115sjra$8sqq$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:23, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>: >>>>>>>>>> Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the >>>>>>>>> story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >>>>>>>> Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of >>>>>>>> the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that >>>>>>>> of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient
Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the first king of
Denmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas). They're all
phonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635 and 600 BC
as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from
the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >>>>>>>> Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are
descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence
Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally >>>>>>>> Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga). >>>>>>>>
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion the son of
Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place
(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628 >>>>>>>> BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which Sanchuniathon said
was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek religion
was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the Phoenicians ones.
Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or
Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god >>>>>>>> Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and >>>>>>>> Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as >>>>>>>> Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also >>>>>>>> identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or >>>>>>>> someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a >>>>>>>> generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi or Agenor.
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native >>>>>> Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and >>>>>> probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link >>>>>> him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made >>>>>> him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore >>>>>> cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek >>>>>> people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos >>>>>> means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal >>>>>> dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples >>>>>> referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean >>>>>> Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also >>>>>> the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no >>>>>> reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived >>>>> >from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer, >>>>>> and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also >>>>>> Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god. >>>>>> Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at
exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as
Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites, >>>>>> Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also >>>>>> the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III) >>>>>> hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who >>>>>> migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to >>>>>> Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with >>>>>> Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each >>>>>> other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city >>>>>> or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city >>>>>> states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and >>>>>> Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the >>>>>> Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later >>>>>> became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of
Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu >>>>>> Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna >>>>>> might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same >>>>>> gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in >>>>>> Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known >>>>>> as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He >>>>>> survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided >>>>>> by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian >>>>>> history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian >>>>>> and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood >>>>>> stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms >>>>>> the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and >>>>>> Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon >>>>>> will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at >>>>>> least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would >>>>>> have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be >>>>>> calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
The original source is the Phrygia by Thymaetes which predates the Bible
by at least 600 years.
The old testament?
In article <MPG.44eb9c7cbda6597e98a32e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si8f$89gr$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The average
software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B- work,
especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music, but a
lot of people are okay with okay music. It can't write a good
story, but many people are happy with okay stories. It can't
produce art but can produce "content," and software has now
joined the list of fields churning out low-end content.
LLM is just a big data dump.
So much for reliability.
The Doctor wrote in article <115t0fc$671$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
It's a funny old planet, isn't it? How did they get androids
without moving beyond feudalism?
Perhaps they didn't develop the androids themselves. It's the
only advanced tech they have, after all. They're medieval except
for the automatons.
IMO, the most likely thing is that some ancient spacefarer
brought android technology specifically. Lamia and others have
learned by rote, but they haven't branched out from there because
they haven't (yet) uncovered the basic principles. The rest of
their science will have to move along first.
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
Mind is depends on the basis.
Could you try that in English, Binky?
The Doctor wrote in article <115t02a$671$16@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <MPG.44eb98ee2f38881898a32d@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si43$89gr$1@dont-email.me>:
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing. The people who have those all seem
to write highly literary fiction, which isn't what everyone wants
to do. Different paths for different goals, I say.
In other words they are taught to write crap that no one but them wants >> >> to read.
Well, not literally. :-) I don't mind literary fiction. It's
definitely less popular than the adventure and romance genres,
though.
What about SF Genre?
In modern bookshelf terms, it's totally a genre. Most of it
probably falls under adventure as well.
I think it was Isaac Asimov who said that all SF stories are
really two stories, the SF idea plus an adventure idea or spy
idea or whatever.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The Doctor wrote in article <115t0fc$671$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
It's a funny old planet, isn't it? How did they get androids
without moving beyond feudalism?
Perhaps they didn't develop the androids themselves. It's the
only advanced tech they have, after all. They're medieval except
for the automatons.
IMO, the most likely thing is that some ancient spacefarer
brought android technology specifically. Lamia and others have
learned by rote, but they haven't branched out from there because
they haven't (yet) uncovered the basic principles. The rest of
their science will have to move along first.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 19:40, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115sjra$8sqq$2@dont-email.me>,first king of
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:23, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>: >>>>>>>>>>> Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the >>>>>>>>>> story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >>>>>>>>> Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>>>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of >>>>>>>>> the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that
of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient
Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the
They're allDenmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas).
and 600 BCphonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635
the son ofas do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from
the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>>>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as >>>>>>>>> Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are
descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence
Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally >>>>>>>>> Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga). >>>>>>>>>
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion
Sanchuniathon saidMinos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>>>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>>>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place
(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628 >>>>>>>>> BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which
Phoenicians ones.was based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek >religion
was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the
or Agenor.Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or >>>>>>>>> Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god
Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and >>>>>>>>> Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as
Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>>>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also >>>>>>>>> identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or
someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a >>>>>>>>> generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native >>>>>>> Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and >>>>>>> probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link
him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made >>>>>>> him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore
cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek >>>>>>> people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos >>>>>>> means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal >>>>>>> dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples >>>>>>> referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean >>>>>>> Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also >>>>>>> the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no >>>>>>> reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived
from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer, >>>>>>> and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also >>>>>>> Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god.
Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at >>>>>>> exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as >>>>>>> Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites, >>>>>>> Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also >>>>>>> the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III) >>>>>>> hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who >>>>>>> migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to >>>>>>> Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with >>>>>>> Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each >>>>>>> other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city >>>>>>> or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city >>>>>>> states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and >>>>>>> Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the >>>>>>> Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later >>>>>>> became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of >>>>>>> Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu
Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna >>>>>>> might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same >>>>>>> gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in >>>>>>> Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known >>>>>>> as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He
survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided >>>>>>> by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian
history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian >>>>>>> and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood >>>>>>> stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms
the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and >>>>>>> Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>>>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon >>>>>>> will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at >>>>>>> least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would >>>>>>> have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be >>>>>>> calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
The original source is the Phrygia by Thymaetes which predates the Bible >>> by at least 600 years.
The old testament?
Including the OT. The Phrygia dates to 1200 BC and was based on Egyptian >sources. They probably include the same sources where Solon got the
story of Atlantis from in 570 BC, so even Solon's account predates the >composition of the Bible. Hesiod's Works and Days covers the story of >Pandora the mother-in-law of Deukalion so that also predates the Bible
by at least 400 years. Thus all the Greek accounts pertaining to the
Flood predate the Bible.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 19:39, The Doctor wrote:
In article <MPG.44eb9c7cbda6597e98a32e@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115si8f$89gr$2@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 13:44, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s95f$l2m$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
What about your C?
I haven't programmed since the Dot Boom. No one would hire me as
a programmer now. Besides, Codex and Claude Code are rapidly
shaking up that field.
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The average
software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B- work,
especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music, but a
lot of people are okay with okay music. It can't write a good
story, but many people are happy with okay stories. It can't
produce art but can produce "content," and software has now
joined the list of fields churning out low-end content.
LLM is just a big data dump.
So much for reliability.
LLM is just them plagiarising what other people have said or published
and looking for the most common factor and going with that. AI isn't
capable of original thought.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 20:21, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115t0fc$671$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
It's a funny old planet, isn't it? How did they get androids
without moving beyond feudalism?
They had a plague. Most of the population died. So they build androids
and the aristocracy regressed. The was the plebs who built the Androids.
Perhaps they didn't develop the androids themselves. It's the
only advanced tech they have, after all. They're medieval except
for the automatons.
They had brain scanners and TV monitors.
IMO, the most likely thing is that some ancient spacefarer
brought android technology specifically. Lamia and others have
learned by rote, but they haven't branched out from there because
they haven't (yet) uncovered the basic principles. The rest of
their science will have to move along first.
Nope. The rich land owners turned into a bunch of degenerates while the >ordinary people, or what was left of them, kept science and technology >alive. Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered >them? They'd have to be able to manufacture integrated circuits superior
to what we have today for the AI to work, so expect huge fabs a mile
long with clean room conditions and filtered water and the ability to
build ultra powerful lasers and grow pure crystals and slice them. The >batteries for the androids and weapons would require a mining and
chemical industry, as would the other parts of the androids. Look at the
eye sensors and graphics cards they would have needed along with speech >synthesis. They'd also need precision engineering to get it all to work.
The androids didn't make themselves out of thin air.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with crossbows if
they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below them and only for
the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the >explanation why swords were superior to blasters and why the didn't use >radio or telephone lines for communicating despite having flying ships
and anti-gravity rays.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
In article <115tahi$gs63$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 19:40, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115sjra$8sqq$2@dont-email.me>,first king of
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:23, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>: >>>>>>>>>>>> Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the >>>>>>>>>>> story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >>>>>>>>>> Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who >>>>>>>>>> conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of
the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name from that
of Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van in ancient
Armenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the
They're allDenmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas).
and 600 BCphonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635
the son ofas do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably derived from
the same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is >>>>>>>>>> supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as
Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and Anglo-Saxons are
descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or Varangians (hence
Franks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally >>>>>>>>>> Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga).
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion
Sanchuniathon saidMinos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us >>>>>>>>>> back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the >>>>>>>>>> battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which takes place
(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628
BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which
religionwas based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek
Phoenicians ones.was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the
or Agenor.Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or >>>>>>>>>> Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and Hittite god
Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and >>>>>>>>>> Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise known as
Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given >>>>>>>>>> that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also >>>>>>>>>> identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be Sarapis or
someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a >>>>>>>>>> generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native >>>>>>>> Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and >>>>>>>> probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would then link
him to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made >>>>>>>> him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and therefore
cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek >>>>>>>> people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos
means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal
dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples >>>>>>>> referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean >>>>>>>> Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also >>>>>>>> the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no >>>>>>>> reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion is derived
from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer,
and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also >>>>>>>> Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions of a god.
Both repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at >>>>>>>> exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as >>>>>>>> Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites,
Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also >>>>>>>> the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III) >>>>>>>> hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who >>>>>>>> migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to >>>>>>>> Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with
Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each >>>>>>>> other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city >>>>>>>> or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city
states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and >>>>>>>> Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the >>>>>>>> Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later >>>>>>>> became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of >>>>>>>> Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the reign of Manu
Vaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna >>>>>>>> might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same >>>>>>>> gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in >>>>>>>> Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known >>>>>>>> as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god Vivasvan. He
survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided >>>>>>>> by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with Egyptian
history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian
and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood >>>>>>>> stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since it forms
the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and >>>>>>>> Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly? >>>>>>>>>> Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon
will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at >>>>>>>> least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would
have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be >>>>>>>> calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
The original source is the Phrygia by Thymaetes which predates the Bible >>>> by at least 600 years.
The old testament?
Including the OT. The Phrygia dates to 1200 BC and was based on Egyptian
sources. They probably include the same sources where Solon got the
story of Atlantis from in 570 BC, so even Solon's account predates the
composition of the Bible. Hesiod's Works and Days covers the story of
Pandora the mother-in-law of Deukalion so that also predates the Bible
by at least 400 years. Thus all the Greek accounts pertaining to the
Flood predate the Bible.
Atlanis the missing contenant?
The Doctor wrote in article <115s9pa$l2m$7@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >> >of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
Some would say that psychology also is. I have noticed in life
that behaviorism's predictive value is a lot higher than that of
most psychological theories.
I do respect Sabine Hossenfelder, but she's a professional
iconoclast, so her opposition to something can be a little
performative. I'll check out her arguments if I have time today.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 16:08, The True Melissa wrote:
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music,
AI music is better than the shit that has been in the UK pop
charts for the last decade, and AI can sing better too.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
The Doctor wrote in article <115t0fc$671$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
It's a funny old planet, isn't it? How did they get androids
without moving beyond feudalism?
The True Doctor wrote in article
Those AI things don't have a clue about multithreading.
They don't have a clue about a lot of things. The difficulty,
marketwise, is that most projects don't need A+ work. The
average software-wanting person seems pretty okay with B-
work, especially if it's faster and cheaper.
That's true of a lot of things.
AI can't make good music,
but a lot of people are okay with okay music.
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy with
okay stories.
See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the
explanation why swords were superior to blasters
The True Doctor wrote:
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music,
AI music is better than the shit that has been in the UK pop
charts for the last decade, and AI can sing better too.
In fairness, comparing AI music to modern pop music is a low
bar. A lot of modern pop music is just backing tracks, loops and
auto-tuned vocals anyway... computers and the likes of
Pro-Tools, Cubase (etc.) have taken over a lot of modern music
production. They can make talentless singers sound listenable...
which describes a lot of songs in the pop charts.
I have hope for Gen Z, though. They've rejected a lot of
the Millennial irony and detachment and other posturing.
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy with
okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with shit and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >> of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
Blueshirt wrote in article:
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy
with okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with shit and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
Some say the rate of enshittification is increasing. I believe
it.
The Internet does seem like a vector.
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes out
all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach
much of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter.
She had a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the
wrong path if you wanted to become writers.
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
At that time, in the 90s, librarianship and programming were edging
closer. A good librarian had to be able to construct basic Boolean
searches, for instance, and to understand some APIs. Turned out I was
more interested in those things than in librarianship, though I still
love language and literature.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
The people who have those all seem to write highly literary fiction,
which isn't what everyone wants to do. Different paths for different
goals, I say.
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with crossbows if
they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below them and only
for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for
the explanation why swords were superior to blasters
and why the didn't use radio or telephone lines for communicating
despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
At Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:21:02 +0100, The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic >>>>>>> anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central >>>>>>> Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English >>>>>>> word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >>>> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >>>> of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
I'd be interested in seeing what she has to say about psychology.
(As an astrophysicist and theoretical physicist, it might not
be apt to rely on her as an authority on psychology.)
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
...psychiatry is a "cult"?
(BTW, I saw your post quoted, and took me a few minutes to find
it until I started looking up MID's in References: headers.)
I'm hoping for clarification, since here in the U.S., a psychiatrist
is an MD with 4 years postdoc work.
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Regarding psychology: some of the pop stuff could be cult-like,
but cognitive behavioral therapy has helped a lot of people, and
is fairly modern in scope.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:email.me>:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think
you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes out
all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Humans do kind of suck. I suspect the traits needed for dominance
mean that any dominant species would kind of suck. Maybe the AI
can do better.
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with crossbows if
-athey'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below them and only
for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for
the explanation why swords were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice Burroughs-Universe, but
why did it also apply, without explanation, in the Doctor Who-
Universe?? .... I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who
had NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
and why the didn't use radio or telephone lines for communicatingMaybe they had By-Passed or, even, done away with radio or telephone lines!
despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes
out all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Humans do kind of suck.
I suspect the traits needed for dominance mean that any
dominant species would kind of suck.
Maybe the AI can do better.
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they
have swordfights instead of laser fights or at least
gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were
below them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice
Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords
were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice
Burroughs-Universe, but why did it also apply, without
explanation, in the Doctor Who-Universe?? ....
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmm5m2lhast007@post.eweka.nl>:
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy with
okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with shit and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
Some say the rate of enshittification is increasing. I believe
it. The Internet does seem like a vector.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention
a tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even
a chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the
English word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have a discussion with
you. When you hear information which doesn't fit your position, you
just arrogantly declare it nonsense.
If you want to find those sources for early German, seek them
yourself. I'm certainly not going to run off to do your "assignments"
while you paint yourself as the judge and gradegiver. You're not.
If you want me ever to take one of your "tests," you'll have to
*ask*. You don't have the power to assign me work, no matter how
generous you think you're being with your grading.
You're an intelligent and well-read man. It's disappointing that you
don't listen to others.
The True Doctor wrote:
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...
Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Regarding psychology: some of the pop stuff could be cult-like,
but cognitive behavioral therapy has helped a lot of people,
and is fairly modern in scope.
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
On 17/08/2026 8:59 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
Some say the rate of enshittification is increasing. I
believe it. The Internet does seem like a vector.
Well, bugger me!! I had thought "enshittification" might have
been an example of the decline of the English Language or a
word made up on the spot by Melissa... but The Internet says
it IS a word!!
enshittification ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
Even has been selected as "Word of the Year" by a couple of
Dictionaries.
On 17/08/2026 7:11 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
Very nice .... but too bad the AI had troubles with the
Sub-titles!! ;-P
On 17/08/2026 13:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article
<115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What
powered them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below
them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A
Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords were superior to
blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice Burroughs-Universe,
but why did it also apply, without explanation, in the Doctor Who-
Universe?? .... I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans
who had NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
Why did it apply to Star Wars?
Did Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi read A Princess of Mars a long
time ago in a galaxy far far away?
and why they didn't use radio or telephone lines forMaybe they had By-Passed or, even, done away with radio or
communicating despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
telephone lines!
How about you actually read the books as I have
and stop making stuff up which they don't say.
All you are doing is showing your ignorance.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they
have swordfights instead of laser fights or at least
gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were
below them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice
Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords
were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice
Burroughs-Universe, but why did it also apply, without
explanation, in the Doctor Who-Universe?? ....
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
There might be some people who not have read any of his books
but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
Daniel70 wrote in article <115uuli$vtmu$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:email.me>:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think
you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
Master of Library Science.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
You've nailed it.
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes
out all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Well... I meant after we've all passed.
Not tomorrow!!!
On 17/08/2026 11:08 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
There might be some people who not have read any of his
books but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
I've seen plenty of Jungle-type environments on "Doctor Who"
(Wasn't Romana walking through one of them recently .... in
her High-Heels??)
but I can't say I've EVER seen Tarzan swinging through those
environments
On 17/08/2026 04:45, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115tahi$gs63$1@dont-email.me>,from that
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 19:40, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115sjra$8sqq$2@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:23, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s9tj$5iet$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:53, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s7os$4sg9$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 02:47, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115qdh7$3kqd0$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 17:37, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115pvog$1mke$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Greek legends are interesting.
This is an Anglo-Saxon legend. Beowulf is our oldest known story. >>>>>>>>>>>> AGA has an interesting theory tying it to, of all things, the >>>>>>>>>>>> story of Hamlet.
I can go further back than Hamlet. The Ynglinga saga implies that >>>>>>>>>>> Woden/Oden/Odin the father of Skiodr was the Scytian king Madyes who
conquered the Medes, Assyrians, and Babylonians. This is the basis of
the Asir-Vanir war which Snorri places in eastern Asia-Minor. Since >>>>>>>>>>> Snorri identifies Asgard as Troy, the Asir derive their name
in ancientof Asia. The Vanir were the people who lived around Lake Van
derived fromfirst king ofArmenia.
Woden/Oden/Odin from Anglo-Saxon kings lists was Danus the
They're allDenmark and Sweden, and also the German king Mader (Madyas).
and 600 BCphonetic corruptions of the name Madyes who dates between 635
as do all the other kings I've named. The name is probably
Varangians (hencethe same root as the Phoenician name Matten.
I can go further back still since the German king Ylsing (Ulsing) is
supposed to by Odysseus (Ulysses) who is recorded in Hittite texts as
Attarsiya an Achaean warlord allied with Madduwatta (probably >Menelaus)
who dates to the reign of Arnuvanda III in around 1200 BC. >Suppiluliama
II his successor is probably Priam and the Vikings and >Anglo-Saxons are
descended from his son Memnon (Minon). The Vikings or
takes placethe son ofFranks/French) as they were known to the Greeks were originally >>>>>>>>>>> Phrygians which is backed up by Snorri saying they came from >Asia-Minor
and migrated north after the Asir-Vanir War (from the Ynglinga saga).
Arnuvanda III's predecessor Tudhalia IV is probably Deucalion
Minos who was contemporary to Theseus (1234-1204 BC) which brings us
back to Daedalus.
I can go all the way back to Ragnarok since Syrtr was Set or >Sutekh and
Set was Typhon which means Ragnarok is telling the same story as the
battle between the Gods and Giants in Greek Mythology which
Hittite godSanchuniathon said(according to the Chronicon) at the time of the Thera Erruption (1628
BC). Syrtr was Suduc in the Phoenician religion which
religionwas based on real history and Porphyry and Philo said the Greek
Phoenicians ones.was derived from, the Greek gods being the same as the
Hades was Baal-Hadad from the Baal Epic, son of El, Dagon, or >>>>>>>>>>> Baal-Shamen and probably the Assyrian king Sharma-Adad and
then linkor Agenor.Sarruma. Zeus was Dushara son of El and probably simultaneously the >>>>>>>>>>> Hittite/Hurrian king Taru/Teshub, the Babylonian king Sussi, and >>>>>>>>>>> Egyptian Pharaoh Sheshi and/or Seweserenre Khyan, hence Zeus. Which >>>>>>>>>>> leaves the sea god Jehovah or Yaw in the Baal Epic, otherwise >known as
Yam-Nahar or Pontus. He's probably the original basis for Odin given
that Odin ruled from Troy which overlooks the Pontus or Black Sea. >>>>>>>>>>>
The Argive king Apis or Sarapis was also lived at this time was the >>>>>>>>>>> Hyksos king Awoserre Apepi (Apophis in Manetho's list) hence Apis, >>>>>>>>>>> Sarapis and Argos.
The only question that remains is who was Ogygus in whose time the >>>>>>>>>>> Ogygian Deluge took place, ie. the Thera Eruption, who was also >>>>>>>>>>> identified as being Janus and Noah by Josephus. He might be >Sarapis or
someone else. It's not Janins in Manetho's list because he's a >>>>>>>>>>> generation later. Janins is most likely to be Aqenienre Apepi
I might have to accept that Ogygus/Janus/Noah was actually a native >>>>>>>>> Greek king in his own right. Ogygus is cognate to Aegeus, Achaeus, and
probably Aegialeus the original founder of Sicyon, which would
is derivedhim to Ion who was also titled Sicyon when the people of Aegialea made
him king and became Ionians. Ion is cognate to Ianus/Janus and >therefore
cognate with Noah and Ogygus as well. They're all terms for the Greek >>>>>>>>> people known as Yunni in Arabic and hence are also the Jinns. Aegialeos
means edge of the water or seashore and refers to the Greeks as coastal
dwellers from gialo meaning beach. They're basically the Sea Peoples >>>>>>>>> referred to by the Egyptians. Herodotus refers to them as Aegialean >>>>>>>>> Pelasgians, Pelasgians meaning Sea Peoples from pelagos which is also >>>>>>>>> the root of the French la plage meaning the beach.
Could also infer a Tudhalia I being Deukalion = Ogygus, but there's no
reference to a Tudhalia I in Hittite records. Still Deukalion
of a god.from deukos meaning wine and halieus meaning sailer, thus wine-sailer,
and halieus is clearly cognate to Aegialeus so Deuklion I was also >>>>>>>>> Aegialeus and thus Noah. Both built an ark on the instructions
reign of ManuBoth repopulated the land after a great deluge. And both lived at >>>>>>>>> exactly the same time.
Deukalion II who lived around 1450 BC ruled over the Hittites as >>>>>>>>> Tudhalia II. Given that the Egyptians called the kings of the Hittites,
Assyrians, and Babylonians, their brothers, Tudhalia II probably also >>>>>>>>> the basis for Danus the brother of Aegyptus (Tutmoses/Djehutymes III) >>>>>>>>> hence dha[n]ia[s]. He's probably also Teucer the king of Crete who >>>>>>>>> migrated to Asia-Minor with 1/3 of the Cretan population according to >>>>>>>>> Virgil and gave his name to the Trojans or Teukrians. This fits in with
Tudhalia IV being Deukalion the son of Minos II.
Remember the accounts of all of these kings were independent of each >>>>>>>>> other. Each was written down independently by the people from the city
or region where they ruled over including by the Greeks of various city
states, the Egyptians, Phoenicians (and hence the Jews), Trojans, and >>>>>>>>> Hittites. Oh, and the Italians. Don't forger Noah was known to the >>>>>>>>> Italians and Janus. And the Phrygians, ie. the Varangians who later >>>>>>>>> became the Vikings, since the flood of Noah is also the story of >>>>>>>>> Ragnarok. Even the people of India had a flood myth in the
it formsVaivasvata which dates to around 1628 BC also. His successor Sudyumna >>>>>>>>> might be Shuttarna I or Mittani since the Mittani worshipped the same >>>>>>>>> gods as the Hindus.
From Google AI: "Manu Vaivasvata is the seventh of the 14 Manus in
Hindu cosmology and the progenitor of present-day humanity. Also known
as Shraddhadeva or Satyavrata, he is the son of the sun god >Vivasvan. He
survived a catastrophic cosmic flood by building a massive boat guided
by Matsya, the fish avatar of Lord Vishnu."
So basically everything where Greek mythology crosses over with >Egyptian
history, can be verified as being historical from still extant Egyptian
and Hittite records.
Also the Thera Eruption is the basis of all of the Indo-European flood
stories including the one in the Bible which copies them, since
the basis of the Greek, Roman, Phoenician, Jewish, Hittite, Norse, and
Hindu religions.
Japhet or Iapetus son of Noah, the Assyrian king Iptar-Sin possibly?
Iapetus = Jupiter = Iptar ?
Kidin-Ninua/Shu-Ninua was Ninus.
We are going back in time.
Only as far back at 1700 BC. The Phoenician kings list of Sanchuniathon
will go back to possibly 2250 BC. Herodotus has it going back to at >>>>>>>>> least 2800 BC but he's using 33.3... years per generation when it would
have been closer to 25 or 20 for the average sum of the years to be >>>>>>>>> calculated accurately.
You mention Japheth earlier.
Reigned from 1603 BC after the death of Noah/Ogygus/Janus
Noah , his wife, Shem , Ham and Japheth and their families
survived the Flood.
Ham's line was cursed.
Shem is mostly Middle east.
Japheth is mostly Europe.
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
https://www.argyrou.uk/homepage/myths/bible/Travels.htm
The original source is the Phrygia by Thymaetes which predates the Bible >>>>> by at least 600 years.
The old testament?
Including the OT. The Phrygia dates to 1200 BC and was based on Egyptian >>> sources. They probably include the same sources where Solon got the
story of Atlantis from in 570 BC, so even Solon's account predates the
composition of the Bible. Hesiod's Works and Days covers the story of
Pandora the mother-in-law of Deukalion so that also predates the Bible
by at least 400 years. Thus all the Greek accounts pertaining to the
Flood predate the Bible.
Atlanis the missing contenant?
It didn't go missing. It's a composite construct. Originally it was >Santorini which has 4/5 of it's mass blasted into dust by the Thera
Eruption which caused a mega tsunami which is the basis of the accounts
of the Ogygian Deluge and Noah's Flood. It was by the time of Plato >relocated to the British Isles and anywhere beyond the pillars of
Herakles which matches the dimensions given by Critias and then merged
with North and South America which matches the description that it was >larger than Africa and Asia(-Minor) combined. The Phoenicians had
already discovered both continents and even the Vikings colonised North >America before Columbus fraudulently rediscovered it using Byzantine
maps which they got from the Phoenicians or their Varangian (Viking) guard.
The Atlantis story quoted by Diodorus is identical to the Phrygia which
he also quotes, and Ctesias and Berosus accounts which are both quoted
too. All of those accounts or the original Egyptian sources they are
derived from are the basis for Noah in the Bible as is clear from The >Travels of Noah into Europe.
Since the Egyptians did not have a sea god Poseidon in the original
account is Jehovah the Libyan god of the Sea who is Yam Nahar or Yaw >(Pontus) in the Baal Epic. Based on Sanchuniathon, Atlas, after whom >Atlantis was named, was Sabaoth (Tsebaoth) Lord of Armies, which is why >Atlas is depicted as leading the Titans against the Gods in the War
between the Gods and Titans. The most likely candidate for Atlas is the >Hittite king Hattusili I. If that's the case then Solon created the >Atlanteans out of the Hittites.
The story is probably more complicated still since Sabaoth/Tsebaoth is >cognate with Japheth ie. Tsapheth using the English "J" sound.
The line of decent of Deukalion from the Titans is Ouranos/Uranus >(Baal-Shamen) > Iapetus > Prometheus, Epimetheus, Atlas (brothers), with >Prometheus being the father of Deukalion. If Deukalion is Noah then the
line of decent after that is Deukalion > Iapetus/Japheth > Ion/Javan >
then using Nennius Iobath (Bathath in the Book of Invasions, equivalent
to Sabaoth/Sabatius?) follows then Bath who using the Book of Invasions
is contemporary to Brement since next in Nennius is Hisrau > Esraa > Ra >which is equivalent to Esru > Sru > Sera in the Book of Invasions. That >means Brement is Prometheus II the father of Deukalion II the father of >Helen who is contemporary to Cadmus who brought the Alphabet to Greece
in 1430 BC.
All the generations fit in perfectly with the date of the Thera Eruption
of 1628 BC for Deukalion I down to Cadmus as dated in the Chronicon.
Deukalion II is therefore contemporary to the Hittite king Tudhaliya II >(long chronology).
Hisrau > Esraa > Ra (aka. Esru > Sru > Sera) are Tutmoses I > Turmoses
II > Tutmoses III (low chronology) and are the basis for Osirs and
Libyan Hercules in The Travels of Noah into Europe.
So both Nennius and the Irish Book of Invasions derive from the same
common source(s) as the story of Atlantis which is also the source of
the Phrygia. Nennius and the Book of Invasions which includes the
original kings of the Scots are probably from a common Scythian text
since the Scots were from Scythia as the Book of Invasions sates as were
the Irish and travelled to Greece and Egypt before they arrived in Spain
and then Ireland.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Hmm! Melissa could have some Bad news for you, Blueshirt.
REAL BAD!! ;-P
Doc Hammerslack wrote:
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...
Visit RADW and you will find plenty of subjects to understand
for your project.
Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Donors? Of course. I knew there had to be some dollars in it
somewhere.
Mental health is the 21st Century's money-spinning racket. A
"get out" for anybody who does something wrong. It used to be
broken homes, now it's "Oh, I didn't mean to murder ten people,
I have a mental illness."
Daniel70 wrote:
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
There might be some people who not have read any of his books
but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
On 16/08/2026 9:58 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
One of my sister's does some editing/proof-reading for two On-Line
Authors (one English, one U.S.), five cents or so a word doesn't sound
like much but when the "books" can be 75,000 words at a time, it's a
nice bit of pocket money for her.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 16/08/2026 16:08, The True Melissa wrote:
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music,
AI music is better than the s*t that has been in the UK pop
charts for the last decade, and AI can sing better too.
In fairness, comparing AI music to modern pop music is a low
bar. A lot of modern pop music is just backing tracks, loops and
auto-tuned vocals anyway... computers and the likes of
Pro-Tools, Cubase (etc.) have taken over a lot of modern music
production. They can make talentless singers sound listenable...
which describes a lot of songs in the pop charts.
Before Spotify removed a lot of [undisclosed] AI songs from its
service I used to get random AI songs crop up on auto-generated
playlists whilst driving, some of it was actually okay... Like
anything, the more time somebody puts into creating it, the
better it will be. Of course, there were some s*t songs too,
but I hear a lot of s*t by real artists too. AI can do a
reasonably good job, and it's better it will get.
The True Doctor wrote:
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115t0fc$671$22@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
Any chance we can discuss the medieval politics of Tara,
while they use their technology for androis and weapons?
It's a funny old planet, isn't it? How did they get androids
without moving beyond feudalism?
A medieval society with advanced technology was a strange
juxtaposition. As were the swords with electric charges in
them. Which, as AGA has said, was deffo a Star Wars rip-off.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 7:11 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Very nice .... but too bad the AI had troubles with the
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm happy to
use this song as my basis for understanding the story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
Sub-titles!! ;-P
They were only there to sing along to I suspect... but like anybody
singing along to a song, it's obligatory to get a few words wrong. So
I think the AI has done quite well to mimic human behaviour.
The song itself explains the Ark fable very nicely,
and also where unicorns went. So it kills two birds with one stone.
If only Genesis was as simple to understand... or as catchy to sing
along to.
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tq57$l35b$1@dont-email.me>:
See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the
explanation why swords were superior to blasters
Star Wars used that idea as well. Ben said something about
blasters being clumsy and common, to explain why Luke should
fight with a sword.
Reminds me of a story about an SF critic who sniffed that he was >constitutionally incapable of believing in a world which had both
lasers and swordfights. After attending the opening of a new
orbital laser system, he was killed by a mugger. The mugger was
armed with a knife the critic could not believe existed.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmk5n2iqbxd002@post.eweka.nl>:
The True Doctor wrote:
That's true of a lot of things. AI can't make good music,
AI music is better than the shit that has been in the UK pop
charts for the last decade, and AI can sing better too.
In fairness, comparing AI music to modern pop music is a low
bar. A lot of modern pop music is just backing tracks, loops and
auto-tuned vocals anyway... computers and the likes of
Pro-Tools, Cubase (etc.) have taken over a lot of modern music
production. They can make talentless singers sound listenable...
which describes a lot of songs in the pop charts.
Yeah, I agree. They're not so much singers as dancers, though we
still call them singers. I've heard younger people express that
it's naive to expect singers to actually *sing*.
I have hope for Gen Z, though. They've rejected a lot of the
Millennial irony and detachment and other posturing.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
The True Melissa wrote:
I have hope for Gen Z, though. They've rejected a lot of
the Millennial irony and detachment and other posturing.
That's what you do Melissa you have hope for everyone and are
always trying to see the nice side.
It's sickening!!!
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes out
all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmm5m2lhast007@post.eweka.nl>:
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy with
okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with s*t and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
Some say the rate of ens*ttification is increasing. I believe
it. The Internet does seem like a vector.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
----
Daniel70
At Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:21:02 +0100, The True Doctor ><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >> >> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if
you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English
than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >> >> of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
I'd be interested in seeing what she has to say about psychology.
(As an astrophysicist and theoretical physicist, it might not
be apt to rely on her as an authority on psychology.)
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
...psychiatry is a "cult"?
(BTW, I saw your post quoted, and took me a few minutes to find
it until I started looking up MID's in References: headers.)
I'm hoping for clarification, since here in the U.S., a psychiatrist
is an MD with 4 years postdoc work.
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Regarding psychology: some of the pop stuff could be cult-like,
but cognitive behavioral therapy has helped a lot of people, and
is fairly modern in scope.
----
Doc Hammerslack
(Note: I'm not an actual doctor -- either time lord or PhD.)
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article:
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy
with okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with shit and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
Some say the rate of enshittification is increasing. I believe
it.
100% !
The Internet does seem like a vector.
The internet has created a world of idiots... slumbering
doomscrollers sleepwalking their way into oblivion.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes out
all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Humans do kind of suck. I suspect the traits needed for dominance
mean that any dominant species would kind of suck. Maybe the AI
can do better.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach
much of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter.
She had a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the
wrong path if you wanted to become writers.
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think
you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
At that time, in the 90s, librarianship and programming were edging
closer. A good librarian had to be able to construct basic Boolean
searches, for instance, and to understand some APIs. Turned out I was
more interested in those things than in librarianship, though I still
love language and literature.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
O.K., 'MFA' could be .... MultiFactor Authentication .... or the Museum
of Fine Arts in Boston .... or a firm that offers Whole Farm Solutions >(MFA-inc) or MFA Financial, Inc .... but you mean it to mean ......??
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
The people who have those all seem to write highly literary fiction,"Different Strokes for Different Folks!!"
which isn't what everyone wants to do. Different paths for different
goals, I say.
----
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered
them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with crossbows if
they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below them and only
for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for
the explanation why swords were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice Burroughs-Universe, but
why did it also apply, without explanation, in the Doctor Who-Universe?? >.... I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had NEVER
read any ERB fiction!!
and why the didn't use radio or telephone lines for communicatingMaybe they had By-Passed or, even, done away with radio or telephone lines!
despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
----
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 12:10, Doc Hammerslack wrote:
At Sun, 16 Aug 2026 13:21:02 +0100, The True Doctor ><agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 13:17, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-email.me>,
The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
On 16/08/2026 12:58, The True Melissa wrote:
The Doctor wrote in article <115s7lg$2et4$11@gallifrey.nk.ca>:
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic >>>>>>>> anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake" >>>>>>>> as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that >>>>>>> >from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central >>>>>>>> Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English >>>>>>>> word.
They're not from the same origin.
Linguist I see.
A lot of people think an English degree doesn't really teach much
of anything. They're wrong. :-)
J K Rowling didn't need an English degree to write Harry Potter. She had >>>>> a classics degree. You and Emma Watson both went up the wrong path if >>>>> you wanted to become writers.
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it's
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
It's because of all of those immigrants than can speak better English >>>>> than we do. Yads is obviously not one of of them though.
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
At least it wasn't psychology and sociology which have now been as
completely discredited as scientology as having no real scientific basis >>>>> of foundation whatsoever, or so says Sabine Hossenfelder who is a
theoretical physicist, in other words a real scientist.
I'd be interested in seeing what she has to say about psychology.
(As an astrophysicist and theoretical physicist, it might not
be apt to rely on her as an authority on psychology.)
That's like saying that only a priest can talk to you about
Christianity. Psychology, psychiatry, and sociology are all cults no >different to Scientology. Hossenfelder knows they have no foundation in
real science and so-called scientific publishers today will publish
anything without scrutiny just for the money. Hossenfelder says most of
the claims they make are complete bollocks and that almost everting >psychology and sociology is founded on will have to be thrown out since
they have no scientific foundation, and she's right. I already
illustrated that to Melissa over a month ago concerning child
psychology. Almost every claim it makes is complete nonsense and
contradicts everything that I observed from primary experience as a
child, so it can't be trusted.
Scientology is a cult.
So are psychology, sociology, and psychiatry.
...psychiatry is a "cult"?
(BTW, I saw your post quoted, and took me a few minutes to find
it until I started looking up MID's in References: headers.)
I'm hoping for clarification, since here in the U.S., a psychiatrist
is an MD with 4 years postdoc work.
It's made up nonsense in order to part people from their money, just
like Scientology, and the people who invented it always knew that. >Hossenfelder has demonstrated that almost everything being claimed by >neuroscience is all wrong. She even showed a dead trout being put in an
MRI scanner and it presenting the same results concerning brain activity
as published studies on living humans. It's all bullshit. Hubbard pissed >them all off by creating an alternative using exactly the same >methodological fallacies that they used, and they psychiatric profession >tried to shut him down so he turned it into a religion. Remember how his >overprice sensitive galvanometers were banned until he turned them into >religious artefacts. It's no different to the claims made about MRI
scanners monitoring brain activity. They reproduced the same results
from a dead trout.
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
Because it's pseudo-science just like Scientology.
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Regarding psychology: some of the pop stuff could be cult-like,
but cognitive behavioral therapy has helped a lot of people, and
is fairly modern in scope.
It's no different to the principles of Scientology. There's no
scientific basis to it at all. Just because people come up with slop >published in sloppy journals doesn't mean that its science. You should
talk to Hossenfelder. Real science is not a popularity contest. 2 + 2
will never be 5 even if 99.9% of the people surveyed have been fooled
into claiming that it is. Psychology, psychiatry, and sociology should
all be classed as faith based religions just like Scientology.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 16/08/2026 9:58 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it'sOne of my sister's does some editing/proof-reading for two On-Line
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
Authors (one English, one U.S.), five cents or so a word doesn't sound
like much but when the "books" can be 75,000 words at a time, it's a
nice bit of pocket money for her.
----
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote in article <115uuli$vtmu$1@dont-email.me>:
email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think
you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
Master of Library Science.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
You've nailed it.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
I suspect the traits needed for dominance mean that any
dominant species would kind of suck.
That'd be right. Anyone being dominated on a large scale is
going to think the person/organisation doing the dominating
sucks.
Some humans seem to thrive on having power over others though.
On 17/08/2026 9:41 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:Or might AI, as the dominant 'species', learn to suck, as well??
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes out
all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Humans do kind of suck. I suspect the traits needed for dominance
mean that any dominant species would kind of suck. Maybe the AI
can do better.
--
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 13:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What powered them? >>>>Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with crossbows if
-athey'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below them and only
for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A Princess of Mars for
the explanation why swords were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice Burroughs-Universe, but
why did it also apply, without explanation, in the Doctor Who-
Universe?? .... I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who
had NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
Why did it apply to Star Wars? Did Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi
read A Princess of Mars a long time ago in a galaxy far far away?
and why the didn't use radio or telephone lines for communicatingMaybe they had By-Passed or, even, done away with radio or telephone lines!
despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
How about you actually read the books as I have and stop making stuff up >which they don't say. All you are doing is showing your ignorance.
Radio and telegraph/telephone signals could always be hacked into and >changed without people knowing. Burroughs didn't know about quantum >encryption, but that didn't appear until 100 years after he wrote and
how many people can even use it on their mobile phones? Nobody.
Burroughs did come up with GPS though.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they
have swordfights instead of laser fights or at least
gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were
below them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice
Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords
were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice
Burroughs-Universe, but why did it also apply, without
explanation, in the Doctor Who-Universe?? ....
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
There might be some people who not have read any of his books
but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes
out all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Well... I meant after we've all passed.
Not tomorrow!!!
Humans do kind of suck.
Now you're talking! - When are you calling in for tea?
I knew there had to be some sort of a bad streak in you
somewhere. Nobody can be nice all the time!!! (I tried it
once... it was awful!)
I suspect the traits needed for dominance mean that any
dominant species would kind of suck.
That'd be right. Anyone being dominated on a large scale is
going to think the person/organisation doing the dominating
sucks.
Some humans seem to thrive on having power over others though.
Maybe the AI can do better.
Didn't I read something in the past few weeks about Claude
going a bit off-script and hacking into some systems or
something? If that's AI in 2026, imagine how far it will have
got in 2046.
On 17/08/2026 8:59 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmm5m2lhast007@post.eweka.nl>:Well, bugger me!! I had thought "ens*ttification" might have been an
It can't write a good story, but many people are happy with
okay stories.
That's the problem these days, people put up with s*t and
accept okay as an acceptable standard for most things.
Some say the rate of ens*ttification is increasing. I believe
it. The Internet does seem like a vector.
example of the decline of the English Language or a word made up on the
spot by Melissa .... but The Internet says it *IS* a word!!
ens*ttification .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ens*ttification
Even has been selected as "Word of the Year" by a couple of Dictionaries.
--
Daniel70
On 16/08/2026 10:56 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>:Well typed, Melissa. ;-)
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention
a tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even
a chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the
English word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have a discussion with
you. When you hear information which doesn't fit your position, you
just arrogantly declare it nonsense.
If you want to find those sources for early German, seek them
yourself. I'm certainly not going to run off to do your "assignments"
while you paint yourself as the judge and gradegiver. You're not.
If you want me ever to take one of your "tests," you'll have to
*ask*. You don't have the power to assign me work, no matter how
generous you think you're being with your grading.
You're an intelligent and well-read man. It's disappointing that you
don't listen to others.
--
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 7:11 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:Very nice .... but too bad the AI had troubles with the Sub-titles!! ;-P
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
--
Daniel70
Doc Hammerslack wrote:
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...
Visit RADW and you will find plenty of subjects to understand
for your project.
Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
Donors? Of course. I knew there had to be some dollars in it
somewhere.
Mental health is the 21st Century's money-spinning racket. A
"get out" for anybody who does something wrong. It used to be
broken homes, now it's "Oh, I didn't mean to murder ten people,
I have a mental illness."
My advice to you, based on what I have learnt on Usenet, is...
create a religion instead - it's more profitable. So... same
weak-minded gullible people at your disposal... but more bucks
in your pocket at the end of the day... as you won't have to pay
income tax on the donations.
You could also rent a building and get more people in for
therapy sessions at the one time. (Just remember to call it a
chapel.) You can only do one-on-one consultations in an office.
So that would be better management of your time.
Don't forget to pass around a basket at the end of the session.
Regarding psychology: some of the pop stuff could be cult-like,
but cognitive behavioral therapy has helped a lot of people,
and is fairly modern in scope.
It's all mumbo-jumbo at the end of the day... nobody REALLY
knows what somebody is thinking... only what they are told they
are.
Ever heard of acting? You know, Munchausen syndrome and all
that...
On 16/08/2026 6:57 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
No!!
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
No!!
WHAT?? I thought Smith was the Tenth Re-Generation into Number Eleven.Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
Did I miss two .... even before it went to Disney+??
----
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 9:02 pm, Daniel70 wrote:
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
s/is/it
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 8:59 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
Well, bugger me!! I had thought "ens*ttification" might have
Some say the rate of ens*ttification is increasing. I
believe it. The Internet does seem like a vector.
been an example of the decline of the English Language or a
word made up on the spot by Melissa... but The Internet says
it IS a word!!
The fact you didn't know it was a word probably shows how
backward ye are down under... no wonder Kylie, Jason and Dame
Edna moved to London.
ens*ttification ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ens*ttification
Even has been selected as "Word of the Year" by a couple of
Dictionaries.
Ens*ttification, as a term, is used quite a lot in 2026... and
it's something I am sure you have actually experienced in your
day to day life. It's quite a common experience these days.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 7:11 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Very nice .... but too bad the AI had troubles with the
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
Sub-titles!! ;-P
They were only there to sing along to I suspect... but like
anybody singing along to a song, it's obligatory to get a few
words wrong. So I think the AI has done quite well to mimic
human behaviour.
The song itself explains the Ark fable very nicely, and also
where unicorns went. So it kills two birds with one stone.
If only Genesis was as simple to understand... or as catchy to
sing along to.
On 17/08/2026 11:08 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 13:39, Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article
<115tbvs$hafk$1@dont-email.me>:
Look at the electric swords and electric crossbows. What
powered them?
Why do they exist? That's the question.
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they have
swordfights instead of laser fights or at least gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were below
them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice Burrough's A
Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords were superior to
blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice Burroughs-Universe,
but why did it also apply, without explanation, in the Doctor Who-
Universe?? .... I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans
who had NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
Why did it apply to Star Wars?
Did I say it applied to Star Wars and/or ERB's Fiction?? I don't think
so .... because Star Wars and/or ERB are totally separate streams of
Science Fiction, Aggy, that WE aren't discussing HERE in a "Doctor Who" >newsgroup, Aggy!!
Did Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi read A Princess of Mars a long
time ago in a galaxy far far away?
See above!
and why they didn't use radio or telephone lines forMaybe they had By-Passed or, even, done away with radio or
communicating despite having flying ships and anti-gravity rays.
telephone lines!
How about you actually read the books as I have
They don't appeal to me (at this time), Aggy, cause I'm discussing
'Doctor Who' at this time, Aggy.
and stop making stuff up which they don't say.
Sorry! What stuff have *I* made up, Aggy??
All you are doing is showing your ignorance.
.... my ignorance of GARBAGE that seems to interest YOU, Aggy, but NOT
me, Aggy!!
Aggy, we are NOT discussing BOOKS, we are SUPPOSED to be discussing a
T.V. SERIES called 'Doctor Who"!!
Those other newsgroups might be over there ------------------->>
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Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 11:08 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:I've seen plenty of Jungle-type environments on "Doctor Who" (Wasn't
On 17/08/2026 12:03 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 17/08/2026 00:07, The True Melissa wrote:
If they have android and other sci fi tech, why do they
have swordfights instead of laser fights or at least
gunfights?
Because of Star Wars. They could have had gunfights with
crossbows if they'd wanted but they thought crossbows were
below them and only for the common folk. See Edgar Rice
Burrough's A Princess of Mars for the explanation why swords
were superior to blasters
Fine, that might have been so in the Edgar Rice
Burroughs-Universe, but why did it also apply, without
explanation, in the Doctor Who-Universe?? ....
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
There might be some people who not have read any of his books
but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
Romana walking through one of them recently .... in her High-Heels??)
but I can't say I've EVER seen Tarzan swinging through those Environments.
----
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 11:00 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
Daniel70 wrote in article <115uuli$vtmu$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:email.me>:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think >>> you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
Master of Library Science.
Ah!! O.K., Congrats. ;-)
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
You've nailed it.
;-)
--
Daniel70
On 17/08/2026 11:08 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmmwc2mjy4200b@post.eweka.nl>:
I hope the Eighth Day comes, machine gets upset and AI wipes
out all of mankind.
Bah humbug... and all that.
As long as it's quick, I could get on board with that.
Well... I meant after we've all passed.
Not tomorrow!!!
Hmm! Melissa could have some Bad news for you, Blueshirt. REAL BAD!! ;-P
--
Daniel70
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 11:08 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
I've seen plenty of Jungle-type environments on "Doctor Who"
There might be some people who not have read any of his
books but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
Of course, for jungle-type environment read... quarry/forest
dressed up with green and brown painted stringy things and
cardboard trees.
(Wasn't Romana walking through one of them recently .... in
her High-Heels??)
[On-topic digression]
The high-heel shoes were "The Stones of Blood"... but funnily
enough, it was in "The Androids of Tara" where she twisted her
ankle, despite having [what looked like] sturdy boots on.
Methinks the TARDIS shoe locker needs a bit more variety for
rough terrain. Then again, women generally pick the most
unsuitable shoes they can find anyway, as they have to match
the handbag... or something. Walking in them is often a
secondary objective.
but I can't say I've EVER seen Tarzan swinging through those
environments
RTD had a script in Season 3 based on Tarzan... allegedly.
Daniel70 wrote:
Hmm! Melissa could have some Bad news for you, Blueshirt.
REAL BAD!! ;-P
Ooooh... I wonder what that could be? I mean, she's not my
Doctor.
Is she landing at Shannon in her "I Love Adric" t-shirt?
That WOULD be really bad alright. Imagine the embarrassment.
... on the faces of the people manning the immigration desk...
having to refuse her entry because she possessed indecent
material prohibited in the state of Southern Ireland?
She'd be back on the plane to the USA with a penalty notice and
a DVD copy of Earthshock before you could say 'space freighter'.
We are tough with things like that yer know.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmqz32s0uev002@post.eweka.nl>:
Doc Hammerslack wrote:
Mental illness has such a stigma, since it's still not well
understood...
It's been a while since therapy carried any stigma.
At this point, I most often encouter claims of "stigma" as
pressure on those who choose not to partake. It's often asserted
that imaginary fear of imaginary stigma must be the reason, and I
take this to mean that the therapy advocates don't want to think
about the reasons actually stated.
Visit RADW and you will find plenty of subjects to understand
for your project.
Mrs. Hammerslack and myself are about to set up a
donor-directed fund to, among other projects, work on trying
to lessen that stigma.
If you make mental illness any more desirable than it already is,
it could be the last straw for our staggering society.
Donors? Of course. I knew there had to be some dollars in it
somewhere.
Mental health is the 21st Century's money-spinning racket. A
"get out" for anybody who does something wrong. It used to be
broken homes, now it's "Oh, I didn't mean to murder ten people,
I have a mental illness."
If mental illness is so common that pretty much everybody has it,
as is frequently asserted, then we can't allow its use as an
excuse. We simply can't, even if it's true, because the whole
scaffold of civilization falls apart without rules and
accountability.
It seems to be pitched two ways at once. On the one hand, mental
illness is very serious and must be treated as akin to a severe
medical situation. On the other hand, it's incredibly common and
depression is so ubiquitous that it's like the common cold.
It's really not possible for *most* people to have had
*debilitating* conditions throughout most of history. Either the
rate of mental illness has increased drastically, or this is a
load of crap, or both.
I was recently impressed by Abagail Shrier's Bad Therapy. Her
core premise is that treating all children like mental patients
is creating more mental patients. I don't want to go back to the
days when children were ignored, but this isn't good either.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmql12rgiaj001@post.eweka.nl>:
Daniel70 wrote:
I mean there might have actually been REAL Humans who had
NEVER read any ERB fiction!!
There might be some people who not have read any of his books
but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
People who only know Tarzan from the movies wouldn't have a good
idea of the original character, though. How many people think
that "Me Tarzan. You Jane," is a classic line?
The original Tarzan spoke fluently. He returned to England
several times, and he was able to blend in there.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
Daniel70 wrote in article <115v01l$10dan$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 9:58 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
Language has always been one of my great passions. Too bad it'sOne of my sister's does some editing/proof-reading for two On-Line
almost impossible to make a living from that. Editing and
tutoring are okay applications, though, so I get along.
Authors (one English, one U.S.), five cents or so a word doesn't sound
like much but when the "books" can be 75,000 words at a time, it's a
nice bit of pocket money for her.
I had more editing clients a few years ago, but the field is
rapidly drying up. I think AI is taking a lot of the work. AI
editing isn't as good as skilled human editing, but it's good
enough that the author won't look like a fool, and that's all
many really want.
Good luck to her.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
On 17/08/2026 11:41 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 7:11 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
Very nice .... but too bad the AI had troubles with the
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm happy to
use this song as my basis for understanding the story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
Sub-titles!! ;-P
They were only there to sing along to I suspect... but like anybody
singing along to a song, it's obligatory to get a few words wrong. So
I think the AI has done quite well to mimic human behaviour.
The song itself explains the Ark fable very nicely,
"explains the Ark fable very nicely"?? Forget The Unicorns, what
happened to ALL the Water that covered The Face of The Earth ... to the
top of Everest, no less??
Was that the first ever occurrence of Global Warming or some such??
and also where unicorns went. So it kills two birds with one stone.--
If only Genesis was as simple to understand... or as catchy to sing
along to.
Daniel70
Blueshirt wrote in article <xn0ptmqdm2r5re5000@post.eweka.nl>:
I suspect the traits needed for dominance mean that any
dominant species would kind of suck.
That'd be right. Anyone being dominated on a large scale is
going to think the person/organisation doing the dominating
sucks.
Some humans seem to thrive on having power over others though.
I'm not sure a species without such traits could be so
successfully invasive. Then again, homo erectus covered the earth
without subjugating anything else.
----
The meek shall inherit, we're told,
But I'm not so easily sold.
For supposing they should,
It would do them no good --
They'd lose it at once to the bold.
Blueshirt wrote in article:
There might be some people who not have read any of his
books but EVERYONE has heard of Tarzan!
You know, 'Tarzan of the Apes'... king of the electro
jungle-sword.
People who only know Tarzan from the movies wouldn't have a
good idea of the original character, though. How many people
think that "Me Tarzan. You Jane," is a classic line?
The original Tarzan spoke fluently. He returned to England
several times, and he was able to blend in there.
Blueshirt wrote in article:
Mental health is the 21st Century's money-spinning racket.
A "get out" for anybody who does something wrong. It used
to be broken homes, now it's "Oh, I didn't mean to murder
ten people, I have a mental illness."
If mental illness is so common that pretty much everybody has
it, as is frequently asserted, then we can't allow its use as
an excuse. We simply can't, even if it's true, because the
whole scaffold of civilization falls apart without rules and
accountability.
It seems to be pitched two ways at once. On the one hand,
mental illness is very serious and must be treated as akin to
a severe medical situation. On the other hand, it's incredibly
common and depression is so ubiquitous that it's like the
common cold.
Blueshirt wrote:
Some humans seem to thrive on having power over others
though.
I'm not sure a species without such traits could be so
successfully invasive.
Then again, homo erectus covered the earth without subjugating
anything else.
On 17/08/2026 11:41 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The song itself explains the Ark fable very nicely,
"explains the Ark fable very nicely"?? Forget The Unicorns,
what happened to ALL the Water that covered The Face of The
Earth ... to the top of Everest, no less??
Daniel70 wrote in article <115uuli$vtmu$1@dont-email.me>:
email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think
you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
Master of Library Science.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
You've nailed it.
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote in article:
Mental health is the 21st Century's money-spinning racket.
A "get out" for anybody who does something wrong. It used
to be broken homes, now it's "Oh, I didn't mean to murder
ten people, I have a mental illness."
If mental illness is so common that pretty much everybody has
it, as is frequently asserted, then we can't allow its use as
an excuse. We simply can't, even if it's true, because the
whole scaffold of civilization falls apart without rules and
accountability.
I think a lot of us have some sort of neurodevelopmental issues.
Whether that amounts to a full-blown mental illness might vary,
but I'd say most of us are on the 'spectrum' somewhere which
might in turn lead to anxiety and depression, at least.
It seems to be pitched two ways at once. On the one hand,
mental illness is very serious and must be treated as akin to
a severe medical situation. On the other hand, it's incredibly
common and depression is so ubiquitous that it's like the
common cold.
It's a handy excuse for criminals who know full well what they
have done is wrong but whose lawyers hope to use it as a way to
minimise their responsibility - and sentence!
The True Melissa wrote:
Blueshirt wrote:
Some humans seem to thrive on having power over others
though.
I'm not sure a species without such traits could be so
successfully invasive.
Yep, Humans dominating (or killing) weaker humans is as old
as Humans! It's the story of mankind.
Then again, homo erectus covered the earth without subjugating
anything else.
Humans might not have subjugated anything else per se, (apart
from other humans) but they hunted all around them... animal
species have become extinct from over-hunting or other
activities by humans over the centuries (some Tiger species,
many types of bird, some Whales... and other mammals, the Dodo
etc.) so domination by eating is a thing.
Humans didn't get to where we are today by being nice... to
anything!
Daniel70 wrote:
On 17/08/2026 11:41 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The song itself explains the Ark fable very nicely,
"explains the Ark fable very nicely"?? Forget The Unicorns,
what happened to ALL the Water that covered The Face of The
Earth ... to the top of Everest, no less??
You do know what the word fable means, right?
On 17/08/2026 14:00, The True Melissa wrote:
Daniel70 wrote in article <115uuli$vtmu$1@dont-email.me>:
email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 10:48 pm, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s99c$5ako$1@dont-
I wanted to become a librarian, but I ended up swerving from that
path. An English degree is a fine undergrad for an MLS.
DuckDuckGo search for "MLS" gave me all sorts of Real Estate links (??)
and a link for Major League Soccer .... neither of which is what I think >>> you, Melissa, meant by 'MLS' .... which would be ......??
Master of Library Science.
You need a science degree to work as a librarian? Ridiculous! No wonder >Sabine Hossenfelder is so pissed off.
If someone were seeking to be educated as a writer, an MFA in
creative writing is a thing.
Oh!! Hang on! Could it mean "Master of Fine Arts??
You've nailed it.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have a discussion with
you. When you hear information which doesn't fit your position,
you just arrogantly declare it nonsense.
If you want to find those sources for early German, seek them
yourself. I'm certainly not going to run off to do your
"assignments" while you paint yourself as the judge and
gradegiver. You're not.
If you want me ever to take one of your "tests," you'll have to
*ask*. You don't have the power to assign me work, no matter how
generous you think you're being with your grading.
You're an intelligent and well-read man. It's disappointing that
you don't listen to others.
On 16/08/2026 6:57 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
No!!
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
No!!
WHAT?? I thought Smith was the Tenth Re-Generation into Number Eleven.Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
Did I miss two .... even before it went to Disney+??
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
In article <115upov$u9d1$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
Egads!
you do not get it.
--
Daniel70
On 16/08/2026 13:56, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s8sa$581c$1@dont-email.me>:
On 16/08/2026 12:28, The True Melissa wrote:
The True Doctor wrote in article <115s151$2red$1@dont-email.me>:
A chicken flapping its wings can't launch itself into the air
but it's still a bird, and what do birds do? A trikonter with
15 ranks of oars all flapping at the same time is no different
to a chicken flapping its wings. It's even got a neck like a
chicken with a figurehead sculpted at the top, not to mention a
tail, and it will skip over the waves like a duck which even a
chicken can't do. What's a male duck called again? Oh, wait,
it's called a drake. That's where the term dragon comes from.
That is an interesting theory. Unfortunately, etymology doesn't
back it up.
In English, "drake" meaing "male duck" comes from proto-Germanic
anadreko, meaning something like "duck leader." English "drake"
as in "dragon" comes from the Old English draca, and before that
from Latin draco, itself from the Greek drakon.
Meanwhile, back in German, a male duck is an Enterich and a
dragon (or a toy kite) is a Drache. The Internet says that
there's a dialectical use of "Drache" for a male duck in central
Germany, and this is thought to be a parallel form to the English
word.
They're not from the same origin.
The linguists are wrong.
This is the biggest problem with trying to have a discussion with
you. When you hear information which doesn't fit your position,
you just arrogantly declare it nonsense.
That's because it is nonsense and I explained to you exactly why.
Linguistics lost its credibility from the very start when it became a >political tool and started telling Greeks how to pronounce their own >language based on Dutch German without having listened to anyone
speaking Greek at all as if it was a deal language. Erasmus was soon
proven to be wrong as soon as he heard an actual Greek speaking and
admitted it. The degenerate fool could have read Dionysus of Thrace's
Art of Grammar which would have shown him to be completely wrong on
almost every claim he made. The clueless idiots now even think ancient
Greek was spoken like Chinese when Dionysus who lived in around 200 BC >stated Greek was spoken with a stress accent. Linguistics is nothing but >pseudo-science. The history books prove it to be wrong.
If you want to find those sources for early German, seek them
yourself. I'm certainly not going to run off to do your
"assignments" while you paint yourself as the judge and
gradegiver. You're not.
There's nothing before 600 AD. Ancient Greek has sources dating back to
1500 BC. There's nothing that has been posted here so far that disproves
my claim that the male duck was named drake after a triakontoron,
drakkar or dragon ship because it looks like one floating in the water.
If you want me ever to take one of your "tests," you'll have to
*ask*. You don't have the power to assign me work, no matter how
generous you think you're being with your grading.
I have the right to test your knowledge whenever you keep going on about
a subject you clearly know nothing about. I know Yads studied
mathematics to almost the same level I did even if he's forgotten most
of it by now. Daniel didn't study it beyond the age of 16 and his sister >clearly didn't study it at university level or even A-Level if he's
quoting what she said accurately.
You're an intelligent and well-read man. It's disappointing that
you don't listen to others.
I don't listen to ignorant fools. I can call out people bluffing when I
hear them because I've read the primary sources and they don't know them >even remotely. Hossenfelder vastly out-qualifies me in terms of maths
and science and she also calls out bullshit pretending to be science
when she hears it.
In the meantime Calude AI almost solved the Riemann Hypothesis. Well >actually it's nowhere near solving the Riemann Hypothesis but the fake
news claimed it almost did.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 17/08/2026 14:31, Daniel70 wrote:
On 16/08/2026 6:57 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
No!!
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
No!!
WHAT?? I thought Smith was the Tenth Re-Generation into Number Eleven.Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
Did I miss two .... even before it went to Disney+??
The War Doctor and Tennant regenerating into Tennant again before he
created HandDoc with the excess energy.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 17/08/2026 12:02, Daniel70 wrote:
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form
of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
Once again you prove you inability to comprehend English. I never said
any of those regenerations too place in that story. If you'd actually >watched Doctor Who you'd have known the exact episodes I was referring to.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 17/08/2026 15:43, The Doctor wrote:
In article <115upov$u9d1$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 15/08/2026 10:55 pm, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 11:55, The True Melissa wrote:
<Snip>
The Doctor reaches the throne room just in time to stop the sham
marriage. He duels the Count, defeating him and forcing Grendel
to leap into the moat and swim for it. Reynart and Strella are
reunited, and everything is fine.
It seems like a remarkable coincidence that Romana resembled
Strella so closely. Overthinking this, I've developed a theory
that all Time Lord incarnations are copies of other beings in the
continuum. Romana realized this, and the next time she
regenerated, she was able to try on several different forms of
various beings she'd met. Unfortunately, she was never able to
teach the trick to anyone else.
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the form of a Time
Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker, and then he copied the form >>>> of a Roman from Pompeii to regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Sorry!! WHAT?? This Episode included *THREE* Doctors (4, 6, and 12)
without is being a multi-Doctor Episode!! WOW!! ;-P
Egads!
you do not get it.
He has very low comprehension skills.
--
Daniel70
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
On 17/08/2026 10:11, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
How come Noah was able to save the Kangaroos all the way in Australia?
The flood can only have been local.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Melissa wrote:
The original Tarzan spoke fluently. He returned to England
several times, and he was able to blend in there.
Yeah, because he was a Viscount or something... a son of
aristocrats, not an illiterate tree dweller.
In article <MPG.44ecea198ca8ec5398a33b@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.comNOSPAM> wrote:
I'm not sure a species without such traits could be so
successfully invasive. Then again, homo erectus covered the earth
without subjugating anything else.
Givent the battle between Good and Evil.
On 16/08/2026 6:57 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 21:43, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 15/08/2026 18:22, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
She managed to teach it to the Doctor as he copied the
form of a Time Lord guard to regenerate into Colin Baker,
and then he copied the form of a Roman from Pompeii to
regenerate into Peter Capaldi.
Don't forget, the 14th Doctor copied the form of the 10th
Doctor too. So as a theory, Melissa could be on to something.
There's no 14th Doctor unless you are referring to Peter
Capaldi as the Doctor's 13 regeneration after Hartnell.
No!!
Don't think I was actually...
Doctor Who as everyone knows ended in 2017 almost a decade
ago.
No!!
Does that mean we are not going to be doing some 13th Doctor
rewatch parties when we get to the end of the Tom Baker era?
The 13th Doctor counting from Hartnell was Matt Smith.
WHAT?? I thought Smith was the Tenth Re-Generation into Number Eleven.
Did I miss two .... even before it went to Disney+??
The True Melissa wrote:
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If mental illness is so common that pretty much everybody has
it, as is frequently asserted, then we can't allow its use as
an excuse. We simply can't, even if it's true, because the
whole scaffold of civilization falls apart without rules and accountability.
I think a lot of us have some sort of neurodevelopmental issues.
Whether that amounts to a full-blown mental illness might vary,
but I'd say most of us are on the 'spectrum' somewhere which
might in turn lead to anxiety and depression, at least.
On 17/08/2026 14:00, The True Melissa wrote:
Master of Library Science.
You need a science degree to work as a librarian? Ridiculous! No wonder Sabine Hossenfelder is so pissed off.
I have the right to test your knowledge
I don't listen to ignorant fools. I can call out people
bluffing when I hear them
On 17/08/2026 10:11, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
The full account of Noah peopling Europe is here:
I'm not saying your academic work is unreliable, but I'm
happy to use this song as my basis for understanding the
story of Noah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsRUSRS_d3Y&t
How come Noah was able to save the Kangaroos all the way in
Australia?
The flood can only have been local.
if kids can't be left on auto-pilot in front of their tablet,
the parents won't be able to doomscroll Facebook and Insta
Blueshirt wrote in article:
if kids can't be left on auto-pilot in front of their tablet,
the parents won't be able to doomscroll Facebook and Insta
That's the problem, isn't it? iPad kids are second-generation
screen addicts.
Each new technological leap makes us more comfortable and
makes us worse people.
You're lucky you're here in this niche part of the internet
then, aren't you?, Where old tech rules and the RADW fam is
friendly and welcoming...
Blueshirt wrote in article:
You're lucky you're here in this niche part of the internet
then, aren't you?, Where old tech rules and the RADW fam is
friendly and welcoming...
Once, Usenet was where the malcontents hid. It may be that
again.
I'll tell you what it definitely will be one day... vacant...
unless the younger generation, malcontents or not, decide to
embrace Usenet the way we once did and use this as their
discussion medium... or one of them anyway. I don't know how
old we all are but I don't get 'young person' vibes from anyone
here so it's possible when we die RADW dies.
Maybe you will be the last person standing? Posting your
memories of the adventures you had on RADW when the cool kids
were around. Especially the early morning fun you had after
putting the coffee on when you got up and checking-in to RADW to
see what pearls of wisdom the boys have posted during the night!
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