On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 08:12:24 +0100, Jerry Brown
<jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
I predict we're heading for another post of "Retcon the Timeless
Child".
As mentioned before, by myself and others, DW canon is never actively >>retconned (when was the last time the Doctor being half-human was >>mentioned?), so the best we can hope for is for the timeless child to
be quietly dropped and maybe contradicted later down the line.
AFAIC the other Chibs sin is the cyberisation of the Time Lords, which
I hope is also quietly given the boot.
Same goes for the Fugitive Doctor, who was actually quite good (better
than Jodie IMHO), but doesn't fit anywhere, being supposedly
pre-Hartnell but having a TARDIS which looks like a police box.
Another thought has occurred to me: as well as the in-universe issues
of actively retconning any of the above, in the Real World Chibs may
someday (unlikely as it seems now) become a major player, so any
future showrunner who explicitly decanonises his work effectively
burns their bridges with him.
I notice that RTD has moved to UK Channel 4 with "Tip Toe", which
appears to be Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" with gay substituted
for black (i.e. a cascading sequence of small events/misunderstandings
leads to a major tragic consequences).
I saw the last five minutes of an early episode - a montage of the >Sympathetic Gay Characters getting off on porn on their phones/tablets
while the Evil Hetero neighbour is watching execution videos. So not
for me, although personally I hope it's a huge success and RTD is able
to forge a long-term career on C4 doing such issue dramas, and keeping
him far away from the BBC and DW. Far Far Away!
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from >>which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The >Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
When gender-swapping regenerations started to be hinted at in "The
Doctor's Wife" I guessed that we were being prepped for a female
Doctor. I was convinced that had this happened under SM's watch he
would have taken the opportunity to make the Doctor his/her own mother
and father (like Heinlein did in 1958 to the protagonist of his short
"All you Zombies..."). With Clara as midwife!
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 08:28:00 -0400, The True Melissa ><thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <1113bn0$3acrb$1@dont-email.me>, did daniel47 >>@nomail.afraid.org deliver unto us this message:
When William Hartnell's 'Doctor' 'morphed' into Patrick Troughton's
'Doctor' that was pretty much T.V. lore-changing as well, wasn't it??
The term "regeneration" is used, but if we listen to what the new Doctor >>says, it's really pitched as more of a rejuvenation. The idea is that
his youth was restored.
When they eventually replaced Troughton with Pertwee, they bigged the
idea up into a complete change.
If UseNet had existed back then, would it have lit up, then too??
Probably not, TBH. Restoring youth seems like something a Time Lord
might be able to do. There might have been some squawking when Two
turned into Three, or perhaps the sheer amazingness of "The War Games" >>would have flattened it.
It is traditional to complain about any new actor cast, though. I
remember all the abuse Matt Smith took. I was especially amused by a
forum which took one look at one still picture and concluded he couldn't >>act.
I was initially worried that we had another Davison on the way
(although I now admit that he suffered from an underwritten character
- "a Doctor as unlike Four as possible played by an actor as unlike
Tom Baker as possible" - so he had to struggle to give his Doctor a >personality above "young and open-faced").
Then, when I read an interview with Smith where he said he used
Troughton as his touchstone and saw his costume I knew we were in safe
hands. Once established he managed to look simultaneously older than
God AND very young.
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 13:44:03 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 19/06/2026 8:43 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
When William Hartnell's 'Doctor' 'morphed' into Patrick
Chris Chibnall's ideas were misguided and unnecessary.
They were too lore-changing and a step too far. He tried
to be too clever and misjudged his audience.
Troughton's 'Doctor' that was pretty much T.V. lore-changing
as well, wasn't it??
Not really, but some regenerations could be termed
lore-changing. "The Watcher" was a new thing in 1980, different
to any previous regeneration we had seen.
Romana's regeneration too. As she physically chose her
regenerated form.
This was how I expect the Billie Piper stunt-casting would have been >resolved, had RTD continued, as an intermin stage to whoever was cast
as the actual next Doctor.
Which until then, we hadn't see in the show...
and we haven't seen it since either.
The Abbot in "Planet of the Spiders" appeared to have chosen his next
body AND established that character in the meditation centre in the
form of a mentally-projected deputy.
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Verily, in article <1114rr3$9aa$58@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.449f36129a09e1f098a09c@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in articleMay have not succeeded.
<0001HW.2FE596D903436A9D70000137D38F@news.supernews.com>, did
akwolffan@zoho.com deliver unto us this message:
I?m reading this in rec.arts.sf.tv, and was kind of hoping that the Star >> >> Wars Chritsmas Special had been retroactively erased from existence.
George Lucas tried.
His efforts did fail. I watched it over the Christmas season of 2024.
It's just as bad as everyone says. It's really quite astonishing that
nobody working on it realized it was too bad to deliver. I guess there
were no small children to point out that the emperor had no clothes.
One part I remember was the grandfather watching 3D hologram human porn >right there in the living room, with his little grandson present. When
he started convulsing, I think it was intended to be funny. I guess
wookies have different cultural mores.
The actors should have been on top of the world at that point. Why
didn't they say no to this mess? I guess they were grateful to Lucas for >making them stars.
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
Verily, in article <1114g34$3l3qs$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
On 2026-06-19 16:19:21 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article
<0001HW.2FE596D903436A9D70000137D38F@news.supernews.com>, did
akwolffan@zoho.com deliver unto us this message:
I'm reading this in rec.arts.sf.tv, and was kind of hoping that the Star >> >> Wars Chritsmas Special had been retroactively erased from existence.
George Lucas tried.
One of the biggest (of many) issues with the Star Wars Christmas
Special is that much of it is in Wookiee language with no sub-titles,
making it completely incomprehensible.
Oh, that. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. The wookies overacted
comically so that we could follow the story without language. I guess it >worked even though it made the wookies ridiculous, but then why subject
us to all the bellowing?
Even the much praised animated Boba Fett segment uses an incredibly bad
animation style.
That was praised? I missed it. I've heard nothing but straight-up
contempt for this show.
Some people were very, very into Boba Fett. There was never much footage
of him, so maybe they were just hungry for more.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
In article<1113bn0$3acrb$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 8:43 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article<xn0pr69398mntvh006@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with
for decades... by many different producers.
This time Chibnall ultimately did it.
Ultimately, is correct.
Chris Chibnall's ideas were misguided and unnecessary. They wereWhen William Hartnell's 'Doctor' 'morphed' into Patrick Troughton's 'Doctor' that was pretty much T.V. lore-changing as well, wasn't it??
too lore-changing and a step too far. He tried to be too clever
and misjudged his audience.
If UseNet had existed back then, would it have lit up, then too??
Who knows?
Internet was created in 1960.
--
Daniel70
On Jun 19, 2026, The Doctor wrote
(in article <1114ra6$9aa$40@gallifrey.nk.ca>):
In article<1113bn0$3acrb$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 8:43 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:When William Hartnell's 'Doctor' 'morphed' into Patrick Troughton's
In article<xn0pr69398mntvh006@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with
for decades... by many different producers.
This time Chibnall ultimately did it.
Ultimately, is correct.
Chris Chibnall's ideas were misguided and unnecessary. They were
too lore-changing and a step too far. He tried to be too clever
and misjudged his audience.
'Doctor' that was pretty much T.V. lore-changing as well, wasn't it??
If UseNet had existed back then, would it have lit up, then too??
Who knows?
Internet was created in 1960.
1969. the first Internet message was sent on 29 Oct 1969. The RFP for APRANET >was sent out in July 1968.
--
Daniel70
On 19/06/2026 16:00, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I gave Whittaker a chance but she was a shit actress
with no acting range whatsoever, totally miscast,
WRONG!
Date: 16th July 2017.
Jodie Whittaker is announced as the 13th Doctor.
Meanwhile, over on RADW...
From: "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM>
Subject: Re: Bigotry (Political Correctness) Gone Mad
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:04:03 +0100
I'm not having it called Political Correctness. It's BIGOTRY
by another name!
Anti-male, anti-white, anti-heterosexual, anti-British,
B-I-G-O-T-R-Y!
What's left on the BBC for white male British heterosexual
viewers to enjoy? NOTHING!
And once again I was absolutely right.
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 08:12:24 +0100, Jerry Brown
<jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
I predict we're heading for another post of "Retcon the Timeless
Child".
As mentioned before, by myself and others, DW canon is never actively
retconned (when was the last time the Doctor being half-human was
mentioned?), so the best we can hope for is for the timeless child to
be quietly dropped and maybe contradicted later down the line.
AFAIC the other Chibs sin is the cyberisation of the Time Lords, which
I hope is also quietly given the boot.
Same goes for the Fugitive Doctor, who was actually quite good (better
than Jodie IMHO), but doesn't fit anywhere, being supposedly
pre-Hartnell but having a TARDIS which looks like a police box.
Another thought has occurred to me: as well as the in-universe issues
of actively retconning any of the above, in the Real World Chibs may
someday (unlikely as it seems now) become a major player, so any
future showrunner who explicitly decanonises his work effectively
burns their bridges with him.
I notice that RTD has moved to UK Channel 4 with "Tip Toe", which
appears to be Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" with gay substituted
for black (i.e. a cascading sequence of small events/misunderstandings
leads to a major tragic consequences).
I saw the last five minutes of an early episode - a montage of the Sympathetic Gay Characters getting off on porn on their phones/tablets
while the Evil Hetero neighbour is watching execution videos. So not
for me, although personally I hope it's a huge success and RTD is able
to forge a long-term career on C4 doing such issue dramas, and keeping
him far away from the BBC and DW. Far Far Away!
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a
perfectly valid and justifiable reason for being against her
because the Doctor is a male character and had been that way
for over 50 years and 13 incarnations up to that point.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone.
Same as being against turning the Doctor gay
or changing his racist. Changing an existing characters
sex, race, and sexuality and expecting the audience to accept
it and lap it up is sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the
highest degree possible.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was
not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
Verily, in article <1114g34$3l3qs$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
On 2026-06-19 16:19:21 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article
<0001HW.2FE596D903436A9D70000137D38F@news.supernews.com>, did
akwolffan@zoho.com deliver unto us this message:
I'm reading this in rec.arts.sf.tv, and was kind of hoping that the Star >>>> Wars Chritsmas Special had been retroactively erased from existence.
George Lucas tried.
One of the biggest (of many) issues with the Star Wars Christmas
Special is that much of it is in Wookiee language with no sub-titles,
making it completely incomprehensible.
Oh, that. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. The wookies overacted
comically so that we could follow the story without language. I guess it worked even though it made the wookies ridiculous, but then why subject
us to all the bellowing?
Even the much praised animated Boba Fett segment uses an incredibly bad
animation style.
That was praised? I missed it. I've heard nothing but straight-up
contempt for this show.
Some people were very, very into Boba Fett. There was never much footage
of him, so maybe they were just hungry for more.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 19/06/2026 16:00, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
I gave Whittaker a chance but she was a shit actress
with no acting range whatsoever, totally miscast,
WRONG!
Date: 16th July 2017.
Jodie Whittaker is announced as the 13th Doctor.
Meanwhile, over on RADW...
From: "Agamemnon" <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM>
Subject: Re: Bigotry (Political Correctness) Gone Mad
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:04:03 +0100
I'm not having it called Political Correctness. It's BIGOTRY
by another name!
Anti-male, anti-white, anti-heterosexual, anti-British,
B-I-G-O-T-R-Y!
What's left on the BBC for white male British heterosexual
viewers to enjoy? NOTHING!
And once again I was absolutely right.
You've been consistent over the years anyway, I'll give you that!
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a perfectly >valid and justifiable reason for being against her because the Doctor is
a male character and had been that way for over 50 years and 13
incarnations up to that point.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone. Same as being against turning the Doctor gay or
changing his racist. Changing an existing characters sex, race, and >sexuality and expecting the audience to accept it and lap it up is
sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the highest degree possible.
Pandering to this woke degeneracy is why Doctor Who is dead.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 20/06/2026 09:27, Jerry Brown wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 08:12:24 +0100, Jerry Brown
<jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
I predict we're heading for another post of "Retcon the Timeless
Child".
As mentioned before, by myself and others, DW canon is never actively
retconned (when was the last time the Doctor being half-human was
mentioned?), so the best we can hope for is for the timeless child to
be quietly dropped and maybe contradicted later down the line.
AFAIC the other Chibs sin is the cyberisation of the Time Lords, which
I hope is also quietly given the boot.
Same goes for the Fugitive Doctor, who was actually quite good (better
than Jodie IMHO), but doesn't fit anywhere, being supposedly
pre-Hartnell but having a TARDIS which looks like a police box.
Another thought has occurred to me: as well as the in-universe issues
of actively retconning any of the above, in the Real World Chibs may
someday (unlikely as it seems now) become a major player, so any
future showrunner who explicitly decanonises his work effectively
burns their bridges with him.
F*k Chibnall and make he rot and decay like the Master in The Deadly >Assassin.
I notice that RTD has moved to UK Channel 4 with "Tip Toe", which
appears to be Spike Lee's "Do the Right Thing" with gay substituted
for black (i.e. a cascading sequence of small events/misunderstandings
leads to a major tragic consequences).
I saw the last five minutes of an early episode - a montage of the
Sympathetic Gay Characters getting off on porn on their phones/tablets
while the Evil Hetero neighbour is watching execution videos. So not
for me, although personally I hope it's a huge success and RTD is able
to forge a long-term career on C4 doing such issue dramas, and keeping
him far away from the BBC and DW. Far Far Away!
With such a sick and depraved mind you wonder why he was ever allowed to >insert his degeneracy into Doctor Who.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a
perfectly valid and justifiable reason for being against her
because the Doctor is a male character and had been that way
for over 50 years and 13 incarnations up to that point.
Then I'd rather people just said that, rather than pretending
it's the "Timeless Child" storyline they were against.
Especially when the evidence from the RADW archives proves they
were complaining here since the day Jodie Whittaker was cast as
the 13th Doctor.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone.
Not liking a female Doctor/Master is a perfectly legitimate POV
as long as it's not dressed up as anything other than misogyny.
As that's what it is.
Doctor Who is a sci-fi based TV show, featuring an alien who
travels in time and space. Nobody has ever said Time Lords
cannot change their gender when their body regenerates.
It may not have been the wisest decision to make the 13th Doctor
female but in sci-fi I don't see why it can't be done.
Same as being against turning the Doctor gay
My view is The Doctor should be asexual and he/she shouldn't be
having romantic storylines with anyone, male, female or animal!
I don't believe that's what anyone watches "Doctor Who" for.
or changing his racist. Changing an existing characters
sex, race, and sexuality and expecting the audience to accept
it and lap it up is sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the
highest degree possible.
But The Doctor is an alien, from another planet... if written
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't
change their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology
works?
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
On 2026-06-20 10:39:19 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <1114g34$3l3qs$1@dont-email.me>, did
YourName@YourISP.com deliver unto us this message:
On 2026-06-19 16:19:21 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article
<0001HW.2FE596D903436A9D70000137D38F@news.supernews.com>, did
akwolffan@zoho.com deliver unto us this message:
I'm reading this in rec.arts.sf.tv, and was kind of hoping that the Star >>>>> Wars Chritsmas Special had been retroactively erased from existence.
George Lucas tried.
One of the biggest (of many) issues with the Star Wars Christmas
Special is that much of it is in Wookiee language with no sub-titles,
making it completely incomprehensible.
Oh, that. Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous. The wookies overacted
comically so that we could follow the story without language. I guess it
worked even though it made the wookies ridiculous, but then why subject
us to all the bellowing?
Even the much praised animated Boba Fett segment uses an incredibly bad
animation style.
That was praised? I missed it. I've heard nothing but straight-up
contempt for this show.
Some people were very, very into Boba Fett. There was never much footage
of him, so maybe they were just hungry for more.
Well, "praised" is perhaps exaggerated. The Boba Fet sequence is
considered the best bit / only bit worth watching of the Holiday
Special by many people. The Holiday Special was Boba Fett's first
on-screen appearance (the character dod appear in a parade just
before), and his popularity was partly why George Lucas included him in
"The Empire Strikes Back" movie.
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That was the woman in "The End of Time"!
Allegedly.
since when was that a sin?
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have >resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That was the woman in "The End of Time"!
Allegedly.
Verily, in article <4c4f3ldr0lahl8ribfsa9vgfpmagsn33j3@jwbrown.co.uk>,
did jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid deliver unto us this message:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescioa <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's
origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >> >>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another
dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from
which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have
there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The
Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have
resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human >line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who >recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
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Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
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Verily, in article <xn0praby82f39fh002@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant
insertion of The Impossible Girl into the Doctor's
timeline rather irritating and was worried that she
would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That was the woman in "The End of Time"!
Allegedly.
That's the one I was thinking of. Wasn't she in another one as well?
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a
perfectly valid and justifiable reason for being against her
because the Doctor is a male character and had been that way
for over 50 years and 13 incarnations up to that point.
Then I'd rather people just said that, rather than pretending
it's the "Timeless Child" storyline they were against.
Especially when the evidence from the RADW archives proves they
were complaining here since the day Jodie Whittaker was cast as
the 13th Doctor.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone.
Not liking a female Doctor/Master is a perfectly legitimate POV
as long as it's not dressed up as anything other than misogyny.
As that's what it is.
Doctor Who is a sci-fi based TV show, featuring an alien who
travels in time and space. Nobody has ever said Time Lords
cannot change their gender when their body regenerates.
It may not have been the wisest decision to make the 13th Doctor
female but in sci-fi I don't see why it can't be done.
Same as being against turning the Doctor gay
My view is The Doctor should be asexual and he/she shouldn't be
having romantic storylines with anyone, male, female or animal!
I don't believe that's what anyone watches "Doctor Who" for.
or changing his racist. Changing an existing characters
sex, race, and sexuality and expecting the audience to accept
it and lap it up is sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the
highest degree possible.
But The Doctor is an alien, from another planet... if written
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't
change their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology
works?
Verily, in article <4c4f3ldr0lahl8ribfsa9vgfpmagsn33j3@jwbrown.co.uk>,
did jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid deliver unto us this message:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio-a <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another >>>>>> dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from >>>>> which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have >>>>> there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The >>>> Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was
worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have
resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
On 21/06/2026 12:27, The True Melissa wrote:
[quoted text muted]
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
You mean Tennant in The End of Time.
On 6/21/2026 4:27 AM, The True Melissa wrote:
I've been watching the (first) revival series (2005) discs with RTD's >commentaries and BTS stuff. He was very much into "wouldn't it be cool >if...." kinds of stories without too much concern for continuity or
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
logic IMO.
----
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky >dirty old man.
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 14:40, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
The Timeless Child alienated a major chunk of Doctor
Who fans.
Yes Dave, it did.
However, you were against the 13th Doctor from the beginning,
because she was a woman.
Why shouldn't he be against her because she's a woman? It's a
perfectly valid and justifiable reason for being against her
because the Doctor is a male character and had been that way
for over 50 years and 13 incarnations up to that point.
Then I'd rather people just said that, rather than pretending
it's the "Timeless Child" storyline they were against.
Nope. The Timeless Child storyline makes it even worse by turning the
Doctor into a monster created from a systematically abused race and
gender swapping child.
Especially when the evidence from the RADW archives proves they
were complaining here since the day Jodie Whittaker was cast as
the 13th Doctor.
And then the Timeless Child monster appears just as Nerdrotic predicted
and destroys the entire franchise.
Just as you would be against the 16th Doctor (or any other
future Doctor) being a female.
As should everyone.
Not liking a female Doctor/Master is a perfectly legitimate POV
as long as it's not dressed up as anything other than misogyny.
As that's what it is.
Not liking a female Doctor is not misogyny. Turning an existing male >character into a woman is misandry and using her in order to attack men
and create false narratives concerning them is even greater misandry.
Doctor Who is a sci-fi based TV show, featuring an alien who
travels in time and space. Nobody has ever said Time Lords
cannot change their gender when their body regenerates.
The Doctor does not change his gender when he regenerates. This was >demonstrated for 13 incarnations over more than 50 years. What would
happen if a pregnant female Time Lord regenerated into a man? It doesn't >happen. The Doctor is a white heterosexual male character and that can
never be changed without killing the entire franchise. It's a basic law
of writing.
It may not have been the wisest decision to make the 13th Doctor
female but in sci-fi I don't see why it can't be done.
No it can't. The laws of good writing dictate it can't be done in the >situation of a 50 year old franchise like Doctor Who with a
predominantly male audience and a female audience which only watches it >because they want the titular protagonist to be male and only male.
Same as being against turning the Doctor gay
My view is The Doctor should be asexual and he/she shouldn't be
having romantic storylines with anyone, male, female or animal!
The Doctor is heterosexual and a grandfather. He's sowed his seed and is
now celibate and that is the way he should have stayed.
I don't believe that's what anyone watches "Doctor Who" for.
It was done starting from McGann to appease a bunch of imbecilic women
who never watched Doctor Who and who don't understand character, >characterisation, or science-fiction at all and don't even watch it.
Doctor Who must only be made for MEN. If it's written from men then
women will watch it to because literature written only for men is always >superior to literature written for women.
or changing his racist. Changing an existing characters
sex, race, and sexuality and expecting the audience to accept
it and lap it up is sexist, and racist, and bigoted to the
highest degree possible.
But The Doctor is an alien, from another planet... if written
Then portray him as a flying pig. Why don't you do that?
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't
change their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology
works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and >therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character and always
must be a white British heterosexual male character. Anyone who doesn't
like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 21/06/2026 12:27, The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <4c4f3ldr0lahl8ribfsa9vgfpmagsn33j3@jwbrown.co.uk>,
did jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid deliver unto us this message:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 10:56:01 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2026-06-20 08:55:02 +0000, Jerry Brown said:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 22:04:40 +1000, Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 19/06/2026 12:12 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 18/06/2026 14:20, Blueshirt wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <e9fae046c68202e9e57be633db90e994@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio-a <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
since when was that a sin?
Since the introdution of the Timelss Child.
Doctor Who televised "canon" has been messed around with for
decades... by many different producers.
No it wasn't. No one ever decided to completely rewrite the Doctor's >>>>>>> origin story and turn him into a completely different character who was >>>>>>> not the Doctor but a mass murdering genocidal monster from another >>>>>>> dimension created from an abused race and gender swapping child.
When will 'The Doctor ever go BACK to that Dimension ... the one from >>>>>> which he just appeared??
I mean, what sort of adventures could The Doctor and The TARDIS have >>>>>> there .... maybe even meet his REAL Parents!! ;-P
Much as I enjoyed SM's tenure I did find his constant insertion of The >>>>> Impossible Girl into the Doctor's timeline rather irritating and was >>>>> worried that she would eventually wind up present at the Doctor's
conception.
She's probably the Doctor's mother. ;-)
That didn't occur to me since SM was a fan of closed-time loops, so
making the Doctor his/her own mother/father/son/daughter seemed right
up his street.
But yes you're right, making Clara his mother would have
resurrected/explained the half-human origin from the 1996 TV movie.
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
You mean Tennant in The End of Time.
recognized the Doctor and showed concern for him, was believed by some
to be his mother. I think RTD said something about that, although of
late it's best not to take RTD's pronouncements too seriously.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
Verily, in article <11196g1$upse$1@dont-email.me>, did >agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
On 21/06/2026 12:27, The True Melissa wrote:
[quoted text muted]
The Doctor's mother is a bit of a muddle. The movie had that half-human
line, but some of the expanded universe goes with that and some has her
as Gallifreyan.
An older woman who appeared on Gallifrey during Capaldi's time, who
You mean Tennant in The End of Time.
I did mean Tennant, yes. Thank you.
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
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On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if the
Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
----
Daniel70
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and
therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature... or
something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent. A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the sex
of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent. A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed to
be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the sex of
the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before. It >might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as the
major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
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On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and >>> therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws >disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons. :-(
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.
Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
She has recently said that she would love to play the role again ...
which begs the question of why did she leave in the first place? Most
likely answer is that she in fact hated or was bored of the role by the
time she left, and is simply trying to be polite so she still gets
hired for other shows.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature... or >>> something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent. A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the sex
of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and quotas.
Same with teh change to a black and gay male.
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if the
Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
She has recently said that she would love to play the role again ...
which begs the question of why did she leave in the first place? Most
likely answer is that she in fact hated or was bored of the role by the
time she left, and is simply trying to be polite so she still gets hired
for other shows.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature...
or something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent.-a A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the
sex of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and quotas.
Same with teh change to a black and gay male.
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
Verily, in article
<xn0prd58q2jzpc000@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political
correct minority that seem to think they are entitled to
representation when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had
the actual stories been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom
Baker era of the show with the female or black Doctor that
we did get, I don't think I would have minded at the end of
the day. Tokenism itself doesn't sell a story, it still
needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
I could have lived with a female Doctor if there'd been some
explanation for the swap. Instead, RTD just decided to call
off the entire male/female division that has existed ever
since C. elegans developed a chromosome copying error.
I agree that the stories are what matter most. I didn't see
much of Whittaker, but she sure seemed to be saddled with some
subpar stories.
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and
therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other
if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature...
or something.
On 22/06/2026 10:58, Daniel70 wrote:our or out?
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
Until the show ended in 2017.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if the
Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
The audience is predominately male, 98.5% heterosexual, and 85% white.
They do not want and have never asked for a female, homosexual, or
non-white Doctor who doesn't represent them. Why would you target the
show at less than 0.07% of the people likely to watch it and make the
rest not want to watch it at all? Only a disgusting, self-centred,
bigoted, imbecile would do that.
Anyone who doesn't like that is a sexist, a racist, and a bigot.Anyone who doesn't like that should go outside and smell the pollution!!
RTD and Ncuti Gatwa can both go our and f*k grass and each other. No
one else wants them or Chibnall and Martin, or Whittaker.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 22/06/2026 15:22, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing
that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
Bringing back Whittaker would only result in even more bad and totally >horrendous writing because wokery always results in bad writing since
the Doctor is a white British, heterosexual, male character and can't be >written, characterised, or portrayed in any other way.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male
character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or
other if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of
literature... or something.
The overwhelming audience for Doctor Who is white, British, male, and >heterosexual. That's who it must always be written for otherwise it will
not be Doctor Who and the audience will stop watching the show entierly
as we have already seen. Wokery destroys everything it touches because
it is the ideology of totally degenerate morons.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 23/06/2026 00:02, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
She has recently said that she would love to play the role again ...
which begs the question of why did she leave in the first place? Most
likely answer is that she in fact hated or was bored of the role by the
time she left, and is simply trying to be polite so she still gets hired
for other shows.
She along with Chibnall were both sacked.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if >>>>> the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature...
or something.
I mean, it kind of does. Stories are supposed to be internally
consistent.-a A reboot can change sexes and races, since it's supposed
to be a different take of the same idea. It's strange to change the
sex of the character while the show is already running.
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started swapping
sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had never happened before.
It might have been a little more palatable if it had been treated as
the major change it was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new
thing seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and quotas.
Same with teh change to a black and gay male.
Exactly. The appease a bunch of spiteful self-centred sexists, racists,
and bigots who the show never appealed to and never will no matter what >changes are made.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of
it, I do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the
"next Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever
a major debate.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prbwzq12enl000@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th &
15th Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like
"Dallas".
Do you think she wants to come back?
Well... she came back didn't she?
Although I wasn't actually being serious... I did think the
dream/Dallas thing might have given it away.
I'll throw-in a smiley next time I'm being facetious!
:-)
On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change
their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons.-a :-(
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
It was something the producers decided to do because they wanted
to do... they wanted to be seen to be trendy. Either that or the
BBC told them to do it, as inclusivity is the 'in' thing in
their politically correct world.
Either way, the producers/writers should have just continued to
write good Doctor Who stories and leave the virtue signalling at
the door.
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey were calling
for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual argument between those who
wanted that and those who didn't.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those issues get
lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of
it, I do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the
"next Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever
a major debate.
I'm sure the threads about the Morbius 'Doctors' or UNIT dating
went on for much longer!
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
Verily, in article <xn0prd58q2jzpc000@news.eternal-september.org>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
I could have *lived* *with* a female Doctor if there'd been some
explanation for the swap. Instead, RTD just decided to call off the
entire male/female division that has existed ever since C. elegans
developed a chromosome copying error.
I agree that the stories are what matter most. I didn't see much of >Whittaker, but she sure seemed to be saddled with some subpar stories.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article
<xn0prd58q2jzpc000@news.eternal-september.org>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political
correct minority that seem to think they are entitled to
representation when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had
the actual stories been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom
Baker era of the show with the female or black Doctor that
we did get, I don't think I would have minded at the end of
the day. Tokenism itself doesn't sell a story, it still
needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
I could have lived with a female Doctor if there'd been some
explanation for the swap. Instead, RTD just decided to call
off the entire male/female division that has existed ever
since C. elegans developed a chromosome copying error.
I think once Missy arrived the writing was on the wall. A female
Doctor had been foreshadowed long before RTD came back. (In
fact, RTD wasn't responsible for it at all.) But there was no
explanation when we first saw the male to female Time Lord
regenderation in "Hell Bent"
I agree that the stories are what matter most. I didn't see
much of Whittaker, but she sure seemed to be saddled with some
subpar stories.
She was saddled with some inept companions too.
On 23/06/2026 12:22 am, Blueshirt wrote:
Daniel70 wrote:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and
therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor WAS PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
I say, bring back Jodie Whittaker and give her some decent
companions... and some decent scripts! Make the whole 14th & 15th
Doctor eras of the show a dream... you know, just like "Dallas".
Tick!! Tick!! Tick!!
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
Untick!!
or something!!WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other
if the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
It will break everyone's TV... as writing fiction that is not
consistent with other fiction goes against the laws of literature...
or something.
----
Daniel70
On 23/06/2026 8:58 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change >>>>> their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing
and therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws
disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons.-a :-(
No. Those laws disappeared long ago .... when William Hartnell
"regenerated" into Patrick Troughton.
----
Daniel70
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for an account,
don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score the "Lady >President" username.
----
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United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
In article <MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score the "Lady >President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
In article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
It was something the producers decided to do because they wanted
to do... they wanted to be seen to be trendy. Either that or the
BBC told them to do it, as inclusivity is the 'in' thing in
their politically correct world.
Either way, the producers/writers should have just continued to
write good Doctor Who stories and leave the virtue signalling at
the door.
What if Joanne Lumley were the Doctor sometimes in the 1980s?
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for
an account, don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to
score the "Lady President" username.
In article
<MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for
an account, don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score
the "Lady President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
The real* Outpost Gallifrey is gone. People moved over to
Gallifrey Base when that closed around fifteen years ago.
The newer 'Outpost Gallifrey' site isn't connected to the
original GallifreyOne site or Gallifrey Base.
I won't cast aspersions on other online Doctor Who communities -
especially as I am a regular of this charming hang-out! But I
haven't heard great things about the newer site... but I'm sure
the guy that runs it does his best. Doctor Who fandom can be
quite challenging at times. You can't please everybody.
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of
it, I do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the
"next Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever
a major debate.
I'm sure the threads about the Morbius 'Doctors' or UNIT dating
went on for much longer!
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
On 23/06/2026 8:27 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time - I don't >>>> recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and demanded >>>> many many things, in a variety of forms, but the request for a
female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey were
calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual argument between
those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of it, I
do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the "next
Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever a major
debate.
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was
going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/?ref_=fn_t_1
On 23/06/2026 8:58 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change >>>>> their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and >>>> therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws
disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons.a :-(
No. Those laws disappeared long ago .... when William Hartnell
"regenerated" into Patrick Troughton.
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did >doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
In article <MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>,
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text muted]
don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score the "Lady
President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 10:42:03 +0100, "Blueshirt"
<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
I was resistant to the latter until I saw Patterson Joseph in
"Neverwhere" and I immediately thought he'd make a great Doctor.
Apparently he was in the frame for a while but it never happened,
Other actors of a similar background who might have worked out IMHO:
David Ajala (stole every scene from the leads in both "Supergirl" and
"STD")
Abubakar Salim (Father in "Raised by Wolves" able to go from serious
to comedic and back in an instant)
Colin Salmon (previous DW guest star, currently out to pasture on
EastEnders)
David Harewood (Martian Manhunter on "Supergirl")
However RTD would probably have written them as drippy as he did Gatwa
who I've been assured is a good actor elsewhere.
Never cared for the Gallifreyan gender swapping introduced in NuWho.
If they wanted to enable a female Doctor type, they should have just
brought Romana back from e Space and given her her own show.
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 13:42:10 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
(The Doctor) wrote:
In article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 14:58:27 +0000, The True Melissa said:
It's also strange that all the Time Lords suddenly started
swapping sexes whenever they regenerated, though it had
never happened before. It might have been a little more
palatable if it had been treated as the major change it
was. Instead, the world was changed to make a new thing
seem as if it weren't new.
It was done simply to appease Politically Correct whiners and
quotas. Same with the change to a black and gay male.
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time -
I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
It was something the producers decided to do because they wanted
to do... they wanted to be seen to be trendy. Either that or the
BBC told them to do it, as inclusivity is the 'in' thing in
their politically correct world.
Either way, the producers/writers should have just continued to
write good Doctor Who stories and leave the virtue signalling at
the door.
What if Joanne Lumley were the Doctor sometimes in the 1980s?
She did eventually make it into the (definitively) non-canon "The
Curse of Fatal Death" sketch in the mid-90s.
Which reminds me of Lenny Henry's sketch as the Doctor in which he
wore a brown leather raincoat over a Ruper Bear outfit, which managed
to somehow look better than then-Doctor Colin Baker's costume AND most
of the outfits subsequently flaunted by Gatwa.
----
Jerry Brown
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for
an account, don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to
score the "Lady President" username.
The real* Outpost Gallifrey is gone. People moved over to
Gallifrey Base when that closed around fifteen years ago.
The newer 'Outpost Gallifrey' site isn't connected to the
original GallifreyOne site or Gallifrey Base.
I won't cast aspersions on other online Doctor Who communities -
especially as I am a regular of this charming hang-out! But I
haven't heard great things about the newer site... but I'm sure
the guy that runs it does his best. Doctor Who fandom can be
quite challenging at times. You can't please everybody.
(*As in, the one run by Shaun Lyon.)
The Doctor wrote:
In article
<MPG.44a45e2918dfe42698a0d4@news.eternal-september.org>, The
True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <111e2gg$1uup$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
Is Outpost Gallifry still an exclusive club?
I didn't know it ever was. You just have to sign up for
an account, don't you? That was all I did.
When the site moved, I signed up again and managed to score
the "Lady President" username.
I signed up and was rejected.
LOL!
Your reputation precedes you, obviously!
How about I have a word with the owner and we do a deal, he
lets you into OG.com, and you leave here?
Sound fair?
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
You do know how infamous Yads is, right?
We all KNOW the reason!
Verily, in article <xn0prde1pekwh0001@post.eweka.nl>, did >blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The real* Outpost Gallifrey is gone. People moved over to
Gallifrey Base when that closed around fifteen years ago.
The newer 'Outpost Gallifrey' site isn't connected to the
original GallifreyOne site or Gallifrey Base.
I won't cast aspersions on other online Doctor Who communities -
especially as I am a regular of this charming hang-out! But I
haven't heard great things about the newer site... but I'm sure
the guy that runs it does his best. Doctor Who fandom can be
quite challenging at times. You can't please everybody.
I haven't been there in years, so I couldn't say. Most forums do decay
over time.
----
The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
United States of America - North America - Earth
Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
On 23/06/2026 11:27, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long
time - I don't recall anybody ever calling for a female or
black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and
demanded many many things, in a variety of forms, but the
request for a female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's
list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey
were calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual
argument between those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of
it, I do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the
"next Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever
a major debate.
The people calling for Patterson Joseph to be the next Doctor were a >minority of brainwashed idiots who didn't understand Doctor Who or the >character of the Doctor. There's no way you can write a believable >historical story for a Western audience in any part of Earth's history
that affects them without having to explain in every single scene why
the Doctor looks like no one else in it and why they should accept his >authority or credentials, and this makes good story telling impossible.
I'm sure the threads about the Morbius 'Doctors' or UNIT dating
went on for much longer!
There was never any call for a homosexual Doctor either. It would have >destroyed the entire franchised, which it eventually did.
There were fewer who wanted a woman Doctor, though. Those
issues get lumped together a lot, but they're not the same.
Similar though, as it's all to appease a vocal political correct
minority that seem to think they are entitled to representation
when it comes to being "The Doctor". But, had the actual stories
been as good as we had in the Pertwee/Tom Baker era of the show
with the female or black Doctor that we did get, I don't think I
would have minded at the end of the day. Tokenism itself doesn't
sell a story, it still needs to be enjoyable and entertaining.
Wokery, always, always results in bad writing. The character of the
Doctor is and can only be a white, British, male, heterosexual
character. There nothing wrong with that since that is what the majority
of the viewers are too. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sexist, a
racists, and a bigot. Any other kind of depiction is impossible to write >well because people expect a mentor and authority figure in British
culture and society which is what all the stories are based on to be
white, British, male, and heterosexual. There is no way the audience can >suspend their disbelief otherwise and there is no way to provided a >believably rational explanation otherwise without ruining the story.
We've seen what wokery is. It disgusting, divisive, and debased bigotry >historically founded on the same principles as Nazism as can be deduced
from reading George Orwell's 1984 including the Appendix which shows how >Political Correctness was used by Ingsoc, the Nazi based English
Socialist Part was used to brainwash and control the entire population
of Oceania, ie. Britain and America.
There is no representation in this disgraceful ideology. Instead it
takes representation away and gives it to others who are misrepresented
to create a false narrative. Just look at the racist director
Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey where not one single Greek actor was
cast to play any of the prominent roles in a work based on Greek
historical literature and Greeks told to identify with a sub-Saharan
African from Kenya played by an actress who is an Afrocentrist racist
bigot who never read the Odyssey before she was cast, instead of someone >that looks like them. Everyone knows Helen of Troy was not black so stop >treating them as complete idiots.
----
The True Doctor https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCngrZwoS0n21IRcXpKO79Lw
"To be woke is to be uninformed which is exactly the opposite of what it >stands for." --William Shatner
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 23/06/2026 8:27 pm, Blueshirt wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prd412xxog004@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
The thing is - and I've been in Doctor Who fandom a long time - I don't >>>>> recall anybody ever calling for a female or black Doctor.
Fandom has moaned about plenty of things over the years, and demanded >>>>> many many things, in a variety of forms, but the request for a
female/black Doctor was never top of anyone's list.
I do. Back around 2008-10, many people on Outpost Gallifrey were
calling for a black Doctor. There was a perpetual argument between
those who wanted that and those who didn't.
I can't recall too much of that debate. Although come to think of it, I >>> do recall some sort of call for Patterson Joseph to be the "next
Doctor" once upon a time, but I don't think that was ever a major
debate.
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was
going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0252961/?ref_=fn_t_1
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James
Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
If anybody actually wanted a black spy, a female Time Lord, etc., they >should create a *new* character. Hi-jacking existing characters simply
to appease the Politically Correct / Equality whiners is pure stupidity
and laziness.
On 2026-06-23 13:32:17 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 23/06/2026 8:58 am, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-22 09:58:25 +0000, Daniel70 said:
On 22/06/2026 3:09 am, The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/06/2026 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
<Snip>
well who is to say The Doctor (or any other Time Lord) can't change >>>>>> their sex or race? How do we know how Gallifrey biology works?
IMPOSSIBLE! Turning the Doctor into a woman is implicit bad writing and >>>>> therefore it can never be written well after doing that.
The Doctor is a white British heterosexual male character
The Doctor *WAS* PORTRAYED BY a white British heterosexual male
character ... until the T.V. character wasn't.
and always must be a white British heterosexual male character.
WHY must it always be?? Will it break some Universal Law or other if
the Sex of a PREVIOUSLY MALE T.V. Character changes??
Yep, the "laws" of common sense and intelligence ... but those laws
disappeared long ago thanks to the Politically Correct / Equality
morons.a :-(
No. Those laws disappeared long ago .... when William Hartnell
"regenerated" into Patrick Troughton.
They disappeared far longer ago than that. They likely ceased to exist
when proto-humans came down from the trees. :-(
Verily, in article <xn0prde1pekwh0001@post.eweka.nl>, did blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I won't cast aspersions on other online Doctor Who
communities - especially as I am a regular of this charming
hang-out! But I haven't heard great things about the newer
site... I'm sure the guy that runs it does his best though.
Doctor Who fandom can be quite challenging at times. You
can't please everybody.
I haven't been there in years, so I couldn't say. Most forums
do decay over time.
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that
Idris Elba was going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play
James Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
In article <xn0prdeh5f21ka003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
You do know how infamous Yads is, right?
We all KNOW the reason!
You would!!
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <xn0prde1pekwh0001@post.eweka.nl>, did
blueshirt@indigo.news deliver unto us this message:
I won't cast aspersions on other online Doctor Who
communities - especially as I am a regular of this charming
hang-out! But I haven't heard great things about the newer
site... I'm sure the guy that runs it does his best though.
Doctor Who fandom can be quite challenging at times. You
can't please everybody.
I haven't been there in years, so I couldn't say. Most forums
do decay over time.
<looks around>
Yeah... and some decay more than others! ;-)
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that
Idris Elba was going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play
James Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they
could cast anyone!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0prdeh5f21ka003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, did
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason given?
You do know how infamous Yads is, right?
We all KNOW the reason!
You would!!
But I didn't though, did I?!
In article <xn0preie01g2zf6004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <xn0prdeh5f21ka003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The True Melissa wrote:
Verily, in article <111e5kp$1oo$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, didYou do know how infamous Yads is, right?
doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca deliver unto us this message:
I signed up and was rejected.
I didn't even know that could happen. Was a reason
given?
We all KNOW the reason!
You would!!
But I didn't though, did I?!
You did.
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was
going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James
Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could
cast anyone!
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
On 2026-06-23 13:26:09 +0000, Daniel70 said:
Didn't 'The Doctor' suggest, some time ago, HERE, that Idris Elba was >>>> going to be, or should be, the next Doctor??
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James
Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could
cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin yet another >franchise.
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will
never play James Bond because people won't accept a
black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise,
they could cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin
yet another franchise.
Get the correct people!
The Doctor wrote:
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will
never play James Bond because people won't accept a
black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise,
they could cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin
yet another franchise.
Get the correct people!
That's just it... who you, me or anybody else here feels are
the correct people could be entirely different to who Amazon /
MGM feel are the correct people. (In the case of James Bond.)
No production company can keep EVERYONE happy.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James >>>>> Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could >>>> cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin yet another
franchise.
Get the correct people!
That's just it... who you, me or anybody else here feels are the
correct people could be entirely different to who Amazon / MGM feel are
the correct people. (In the case of James Bond.)
No production company can keep EVERYONE happy.
On 2026-06-25 10:30:50 +0000, Blueshirt said:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <111hj7e$3bb5p$1@dont-email.me>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2026-06-24 09:38:08 +0000, Blueshirt said:
Your Name wrote:
Idris Alba has just been reported as saying he will never play James >>>>>> Bond because people won't accept a black Bond.
Now that Amazon are in charge of the James Bond franchise, they could >>>>> cast anyone!
They could ... but it wouldn't be sensible and would ruin yet another >>>> franchise.
Get the correct people!
That's just it... who you, me or anybody else here feels are the
correct people could be entirely different to who Amazon / MGM feel are
the correct people. (In the case of James Bond.)
No production company can keep EVERYONE happy.
They can keep as many people happy as possible by simply not making
idiotic changes to the existing established facts of the franchise just
to appease the whims of Politically Correct whiners or whater silly
idea the new moroon in charge comes up with. They can also use some
common sense and intellgence and NOT create so-called "reboots" that
are a completely different product hiding behind the original's good
name.
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