BC: We Are All Going To Die
https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2026/03/03
And if you run that stop sign, it may be sooner rather than later.
On Tue, 03 Mar 2026 15:48:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:<snip>
BC: We Are All Going To Die
https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2026/03/03
And if you run that stop sign, it may be sooner rather than later.
This certainly is an amusing comic strip. The humor arises from the
contrast between a philosophical idea and a mundane purpose.
Of course, though, in the absence of vehicles powered by internal
combustion engines or electric motors, the need for care when crossing intersections is rather less urgent...
On Tue, 03 Mar 2026 15:48:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire wrote:
BC: We Are All Going To Die
https://www.gocomics.com/bc/2026/03/03
And if you run that stop sign, it may be sooner rather than later.
This certainly is an amusing comic strip. The humor arises from the
contrast between a philosophical idea and a mundane purpose.
Of course, though, in the absence of vehicles powered by internal
combustion engines or electric motors, the need for care when crossing intersections is rather less urgent...
But the title is oddly apt. Some people who disapprove of President
Trump's actions in Iran feel panic is the appropriate response.
Personally, my initial reaction was that, for once, President Donald J.
Trump was fulfilling the responsibilities of his office in an appropriate manner. Of course I still had minor concerns, given my great antipathy towards his Administration - such as whether I could trust a man engaged
in dismantling democracy in the United States to bring it to Iran.
And then there's the small matter of starting a war in the middle of peace negotiations. I seem to recall that, shortly after December 7, 1941, an American President was rather judgmental about that sort of behavior.Perhaps the pro-Israel administrations would like to
But such minor nitpicks will only serve to make it obvious to the
President's supporters that my real motive is that I would have preferred that a Democrat get the credit for ending the threat from Iran's
Ayatollahs.
Donald Trump, though, has often noted that it's the Democrats who want to burden the United States with foreign adventures. Some have wondered how
this can be reconciled with his decision to join Israel in dealing with
Iran.
Given his track record, I think it's obvious what will happen. After
creating enough chaos in Iran that it is clear that the former regime is
not in control... American forces will be withdrawn from the area. The
task of setting up a new regime will be left to those of America's allies
who will pay $10 billion each to join the Donald J. Trump Occupation Force
of Peace.
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy. Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
John Savard
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a >democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade >them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy. >Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someoneFor Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, >though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:Countries which had a national identiy and their own culture. As Iran
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade
them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy.
Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they
should keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
Trump obviously never studied history where America stuck their nose in
and had it bitten off - Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, ...
While claiming "it's really about the oil" is a very old mantra,Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
Despite his delusions of getting a Nobel Peace Prize, all egotistical
Trump the Chump really interested in is the oil and filling his own
bank account. He has absolutely zero interest in anything else,
including his "fellow Americans".
What's /really/ wierd is that nobody seems to be claiming that theSo while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, >> though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy. Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
John Savard
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:51:57 -0000 (UTC), quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade
them, I basically don't care.
Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
And, having voted for it, they are stuck with it. No matter how they
feel about it now.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy.
Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, >> though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is
a nonexistent category.
And MAGA is much the same, although individuals vary somewhat.
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade
them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy.
Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they should keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
Trump obviously never studied history where America stuck their nose in
and had it bitten off - Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, ...
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of
its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is
not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to
do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
Despite his delusions of getting a Nobel Peace Prize, all egotistical
Trump the Chump really interested in is the oil and filling his own bank account. He has absolutely zero interest in anything else, including his "fellow Americans".
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still
hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
John Savard
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is a nonexistent category.
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to
invade them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a
democracy. Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So
if someone would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they should
keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
On 3/14/26 23:48, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2026 18:00:58 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:
Trump-centric criticism of American foreign policy is myopic, there's
little difference between him and his predecessors, nor do "Trump
critics" have any problem with his waging wars to service the Israel
Lobby.
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade >>> them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a democracy. >>> Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So if someone
would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they
should keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
Trump obviously never studied history where America stuck their nose in
and had it bitten off - Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, ...
He also missed the problems discovered in the 1930s when Tariffs were imposed on foreign imports which made the problems of the Great Depression worth. He may never have read the US Constitution but if he did he did not understand it.
Of course, it looks like all Trump wants to do with Iran is bomb some of >>> its nuclear facilities and missile sites and then declare victory.
Actually sending in an occupation force to de-Ayatollahfy the country is >>> not something he seems to envision as being either necessary or
acceptable. I mean, really. He could just ask America's former allies to >>> do it for him, in exchange for being exempt from his next round of
tariffs, if he wants to keep his election promises that badly.
He blew right thru those promises or his voters misheard him: <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2026/3/14/2372579/-Cartoon-Forgot-the-comma>
Oh if his Fellow Armericans include only Americans
Despite his delusions of getting a Nobel Peace Prize, all egotistical
Trump the Chump really interested in is the oil and filling his own
bank account. He has absolutely zero interest in anything else,
including his "fellow Americans".
who are billionaires, does he care for them. He cares for the inordinately wealthy well enough. Taxes reduced in both terms and shortages to be
made up by the multitudes of very poor folks.
So while I won't criticize his attacks on Iran as being morally wrong
(well, except for having incompetents in charge who don't make enough
effort not to bomb girls' schools instead of nearby IRGC facilities), I
will criticize them as apparently being stupid, so far. I am still hoping, >>> though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
John Savard
bliss
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 19:48:13 +1300, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to
invade them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a
democracy. Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So
if someone would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they should
keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
Iran funds Hezbollah, a terrorist organization. So it isn't a country that just minds its own business.
As well, the principle you're expressing is, in my opinion, simply not
true. It's wrong for a repressive government to brutally repress dissent.
And any instance of injustice is always everyone's business.
That being said, though, it's also obvious that anyone can claim some government is oppressive, and then use it as an excuse for a war of aggression aimed at stealing a country's resources or enslaving its people.
What's the war in Iran actually for? I'll admit that distracting from the Epstein files sounds like a distinct possibility. But given that the war seems to be _Israel's_ idea... it seems like the purpose is to eliminate
the threat of Iran, a country very hostile to Israel, acquiring nuclear weapons.
While there are news stories claiming that Iran is very far from having a nuclear weapon, according to people with relevant expertise, it is also a fact that we definitely know that Iran has insisted that it will not agree
to completely abstain from any and all uranium enrichment. It claims that this is only because of its civilian nuclear power industry.
While I suppose it's possible the cause could be U.S. obstructionism, generally I would think that it would be fairly simple to arrive at robust safeguards such that Iran wouldn't need to pay foreign exchange to have
other countries enrich natural uranium to the level needed for reactors
used in power generation, and yet no possibility of weapons diversion
would be left open.
So the fact that this issue hasn't been settled looks suspicious.
And I know that the Netanyahu administration has pretty much squandered Israel's moral capital in Gaza, but it still remains a fact that being
wiped from the face of the Earth is, to Israelis, a concrete and real possibility rather than an impossibly remote abstraction.
The fact that the war does appear to have an actual rational reason behind
it of course doesn't end the debate about whether or not it is justifiable
or appropriate. It just needs to be noted to counter the misconception
that there isn't one.
John Savard
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:19:00 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
Well, you have more to remember than I do; I'm only 70 years old, so my experience is more limited.
John Savard
Iran also funded HAMAS while Netanyahu paid them the money to dig tunnels.
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Iran also funded HAMAS while Netanyahu paid them the money to dig tunnels.
This makes no sense.
On 3/15/26 14:24, Sn!pe wrote:
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Iran also funded HAMAS while Netanyahu paid them the moneyThis makes no sense.
to dig tunnels.
None at all but it happened and he did not specify "dig tunnels" but
that is what was done with the money intended to pacify HAMAS.
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 3/15/26 14:24, Sn!pe wrote:
Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:None at all but it happened and he did not specify "dig tunnels" but
Iran also funded HAMAS while Netanyahu paid them the moneyThis makes no sense.
to dig tunnels.
that is what was done with the money intended to pacify HAMAS.
I presume you mean that Hamas misused Israel's money?
That would make sense.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 08:50:33 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is a
nonexistent category.
Yes, that is consistent with my observations as well.
quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 08:50:33 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is a >>> nonexistent category.
Yes, that is consistent with my observations as well.
"My own morality. My own mind. It's the only thing that
can stop me," Trump told the The New York Times on
Wednesday night when asked if there were any limits
on his international power.
Satan's speech shares similar sentiments in PARADISE LOST by Milton.
The storied Satan is a nominalist who uses his own mind to defy God.
You guys ought to read PARADISE LOST. Warning: the UK government counter-terror program now flags PARADISE LOST as a sign of far-right extremism. Other banned books on London's literary list include:
BEOWULF
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
LEVIATHAN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
1984
TWO TREATISES OF GOVERNMENT
THE FOUR FEATHERS
BRAVE NEW WORLD
THE SECRET AGENT
THE CANTERBURY TALES
REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
<http://x.com/the_culturist_/status/2029278185569845682>
It turns out London's list is too little, too late. The USA founding
fathers were also nominalists. Jefferson used Satan's speech in PARADISE
LOST as a template to write the USA DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In the end, the USA founding fathers would warmly welcome the Weltanschauung of Trump. And don't blame me - the mere messenger!
Danke,
--
Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |
He doesn't even have the intelligence to actually be able to read. Even >toddlers' picture books are far above his level.Well, I /have/ argued that he and his minions are operating on the
On 3/15/26 08:50, Paul S Person wrote:<topic: Iran>
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:51:57 -0000 (UTC), quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
wrote:
Yes, really.Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade >>> them, I basically don't care.
Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
Not really for the regime that has imposed itself for the last 50 years
or so on the Iranians. They have demonstrated against enough times
and the Regime has killed enough Iranians to be sure that they don't care
for the Islamic Revolutionaries.
<snip-a-bit-more>And, having voted for it, they are stuck with it. No matter how they
feel about it now.
Some are, some aren't. Those who aren't are making excuses.For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is
a nonexistent category.
And MAGA is much the same, although individuals vary somewhat.
With the work Trump et al have been doing even the MAGA members are
coming to see what a false face he has presented to them.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:31:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 3/15/26 08:50, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:51:57 -0000 (UTC), quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
wrote:
<topic: Iran>
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade >>>> them, I basically don't care.
Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
Not really for the regime that has imposed itself for the last 50 years >> or so on the Iranians. They have demonstrated against enough times
and the Regime has killed enough Iranians to be sure that they don't care
for the Islamic Revolutionaries.
Yes, really.
They had a vote on whether they wanted to be a secular democratic
state or an Islamic Republic.
They chose the Islamic Republic.
And that is what they have now.
From <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution>
On 30 and 31 March (Farvardin 10, 11) a referendum was held over
whether to replace the monarchy with an "Islamic republic". Khomeini
called for a massive turnout and only the National Democratic Front,
Fadayan, and several Kurdish parties opposed the vote. The results
showed that 98.2% had voted in favor of the Islamic Republic.
It was not imposed on them. It was their own choice.
And, BTW, those who opposed government policy soon found they were
opposing the Ayatollah's policy (for the President is just the
Ayatollah's lap-dog), which meant they were opposing Allah's policy
(for the Ayatollah gets it all from Allah), which is blasphemy. Which
is a crime.
As /Christianity Today/ pointed out, "If there is no freedom of
religious speech, there is no freedom of speech at all".
And, having voted for it, they are stuck with it. No matter how they
feel about it now.
<snip-a-bit-more>
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is
a nonexistent category.
And MAGA is much the same, although individuals vary somewhat.
With the work Trump et al have been doing even the MAGA members are
coming to see what a false face he has presented to them.
Some are, some aren't. Those who aren't are making excuses.
This is why I suggest the Republican Party, if it wishes to control
Congress next year, needs to impeach Trump, convict Trump, and bar
Trump from ever holding public office again. And then do the same to
Pence if he doesn't immediately turn things around.
That last is needed because, otherwise, Trump would run in 2028,
arguing that he is entitled to a full-length second term [1]. And the Republicans are as much in need of /not running Boomers/ as the
Democrats are.
[1] You may respond that that won't work, but this is Trump, and there
is no telling how an enraged MAGA will react if the Republicans remove
him.
What's the war in Iran actually for? I'll admit that distracting from the >Epstein files sounds like a distinct possibility. But given that the war >seems to be _Israel's_ idea... it seems like the purpose is to eliminate
the threat of Iran, a country very hostile to Israel, acquiring nuclear >weapons.
While there are news stories claiming that Iran is very far from having a >nuclear weapon, according to people with relevant expertise, it is also a >fact that we definitely know that Iran has insisted that it will not agree >to completely abstain from any and all uranium enrichment. It claims that >this is only because of its civilian nuclear power industry.
quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid> wrote:
While there are news stories claiming that Iran is very far from having a
nuclear weapon, according to people with relevant expertise, it is also a
fact that we definitely know that Iran has insisted that it will not agree >> to completely abstain from any and all uranium enrichment. It claims that
this is only because of its civilian nuclear power industry.
This is true, but they WILL allow inspection by the UN. Of course, the current US government doesn't trust the UN. I don't think that is the case for the Israeli government, though.
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss- sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
On 3/16/26 08:35, Paul S Person wrote:One acceptable to all parties.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:31:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 3/15/26 08:50, Paul S Person wrote:
<topic: Iran>
Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
Not really for the regime that has imposed itself for the last 50 years >>> or so on the Iranians. They have demonstrated against enough times
and the Regime has killed enough Iranians to be sure that they don't care >>> for the Islamic Revolutionaries.
Yes, really.
They had a vote on whether they wanted to be a secular democratic
state or an Islamic Republic.
They chose the Islamic Republic.
And that is what they have now.
From <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution>
On 30 and 31 March (Farvardin 10, 11) a referendum was held over
whether to replace the monarchy with an "Islamic republic". Khomeini
called for a massive turnout and only the National Democratic Front,
Fadayan, and several Kurdish parties opposed the vote. The results
showed that 98.2% had voted in favor of the Islamic Republic.
According to what vote counter?
The USA Constitution was adopted about 250 years ago. All of those whoIt was not imposed on them. It was their own choice.About 50 years ago. Most of those who voted for it are long
dead.
Good catch. I should indeed have said "Vance".And, BTW, those who opposed government policy soon found they were
opposing the Ayatollah's policy (for the President is just the
Ayatollah's lap-dog), which meant they were opposing Allah's policy
(for the Ayatollah gets it all from Allah), which is blasphemy. Which
is a crime.
As /Christianity Today/ pointed out, "If there is no freedom of
religious speech, there is no freedom of speech at all".
<snip-a-bit-more>
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is >>>> a nonexistent category.
And MAGA is much the same, although individuals vary somewhat.
With the work Trump et al have been doing even the MAGA members are
coming to see what a false face he has presented to them.
Some are, some aren't. Those who aren't are making excuses.
This is why I suggest the Republican Party, if it wishes to control
Congress next year, needs to impeach Trump, convict Trump, and bar
Trump from ever holding public office again. And then do the same to
Pence if he doesn't immediately turn things around.
Pence is no longer the Vice President but JD Vance is and he is
a running dog of Russell Voight who was behind Project 2025 the plan
to impose a variety of ill-liberal Christianity on the secular republic.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is makingThat last is needed because, otherwise, Trump would run in 2028,
arguing that he is entitled to a full-length second term [1]. And the
Republicans are as much in need of /not running Boomers/ as the
Democrats are.
[1] You may respond that that won't work, but this is Trump, and there
is no telling how an enraged MAGA will react if the Republicans remove
him.
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 19:48:13 +1300, Your Name wrote:
On 2026-03-15 04:51:57 +0000, quadi said:
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to
invade them, I basically don't care.
Ukraine is a democracy. Taiwan is a democracy. Greenland is a
democracy. Canada is a democracy, and I also happen to live there. So
if someone would want to invade any of those, I would care.
What other countries do withint their own borders is up to them and
their citizens. Depsite far too many Americans believing their the only
ones who are ever right and have to police the entire world, they should
keep their noses, out unless actually asked otherwise.
Iran funds Hezbollah, a terrorist organization. So it isn't a country that just minds its own business.
As well, the principle you're expressing is, in my opinion, simply not
true. It's wrong for a repressive government to brutally repress dissent.
And any instance of injustice is always everyone's business.
That being said, though, it's also obvious that anyone can claim some government is oppressive, and then use it as an excuse for a war of aggression aimed at stealing a country's resources or enslaving its people.
What's the war in Iran actually for? I'll admit that distracting from the Epstein files sounds like a distinct possibility. But given that the war seems to be _Israel's_ idea... it seems like the purpose is to eliminate
the threat of Iran, a country very hostile to Israel, acquiring nuclear weapons.
While there are news stories claiming that Iran is very far from having a nuclear weapon, according to people with relevant expertise, it is also a fact that we definitely know that Iran has insisted that it will not agree
to completely abstain from any and all uranium enrichment. It claims that this is only because of its civilian nuclear power industry.
While I suppose it's possible the cause could be U.S. obstructionism, generally I would think that it would be fairly simple to arrive at robust safeguards such that Iran wouldn't need to pay foreign exchange to have
other countries enrich natural uranium to the level needed for reactors
used in power generation, and yet no possibility of weapons diversion
would be left open.
So the fact that this issue hasn't been settled looks suspicious.
And I know that the Netanyahu administration has pretty much squandered Israel's moral capital in Gaza, but it still remains a fact that being
wiped from the face of the Earth is, to Israelis, a concrete and real possibility rather than an impossibly remote abstraction.
The fact that the war does appear to have an actual rational reason behind
it of course doesn't end the debate about whether or not it is justifiable
or appropriate. It just needs to be noted to counter the misconception
that there isn't one.
John Savard
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:31:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
On 3/15/26 08:50, Paul S Person wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:51:57 -0000 (UTC), quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
wrote:
<topic: Iran>
Iran is not a democracy. Cuba is not a democracy. Venezuela is not a
democracy. So if the U.S., under Trump, or someone else, wants to invade >>>> them, I basically don't care.
Iran literally /voted/ to be what it is. The others did not.
Not really for the regime that has imposed itself for the last 50 years >> or so on the Iranians. They have demonstrated against enough times
and the Regime has killed enough Iranians to be sure that they don't care
for the Islamic Revolutionaries.
Yes, really.
They had a vote on whether they wanted to be a secular democratic
state or an Islamic Republic.
They chose the Islamic Republic.
And that is what they have now.
From <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution>
On 30 and 31 March (Farvardin 10, 11) a referendum was held over
whether to replace the monarchy with an "Islamic republic". Khomeini
called for a massive turnout and only the National Democratic Front,
Fadayan, and several Kurdish parties opposed the vote. The results
showed that 98.2% had voted in favor of the Islamic Republic.
It was not imposed on them. It was their own choice.
And, BTW, those who opposed government policy soon found they were
opposing the Ayatollah's policy (for the President is just the
Ayatollah's lap-dog), which meant they were opposing Allah's policy
(for the Ayatollah gets it all from Allah), which is blasphemy. Which
is a crime.
As /Christianity Today/ pointed out, "If there is no freedom of
religious speech, there is no freedom of speech at all".
And, having voted for it, they are stuck with it. No matter how they
feel about it now.
<snip-a-bit-more>
For Trump, there is no "morally" at all. No "right", no "wrong". It is
a nonexistent category.
And MAGA is much the same, although individuals vary somewhat.
With the work Trump et al have been doing even the MAGA members are
coming to see what a false face he has presented to them.
Some are, some aren't. Those who aren't are making excuses.
This is why I suggest the Republican Party, if it wishes to control
Congress next year, needs to impeach Trump, convict Trump, and bar
Trump from ever holding public office again. And then do the same to
Pence if he doesn't immediately turn things around.
That last is needed because, otherwise, Trump would run in 2028,
arguing that he is entitled to a full-length second term [1]. And the Republicans are as much in need of /not running Boomers/ as the
Democrats are.
[1] You may respond that that won't work, but this is Trump, and there
is no telling how an enraged MAGA will react if the Republicans remove
him.
You guys ought to read PARADISE LOST. Warning: the UK government counter-terror program now flags PARADISE LOST as a sign of far-right extremism. Other banned books on London's literary list include:
BEOWULF
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
LEVIATHAN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
1984
TWO TREATISES OF GOVERNMENT
THE FOUR FEATHERS
BRAVE NEW WORLD
THE SECRET AGENT
THE CANTERBURY TALES
REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
<http://x.com/the_culturist_/status/2029278185569845682>
It turns out London's list is too little, too late. The USA founding
fathers were also nominalists. Jefferson used Satan's speech in PARADISE
LOST as a template to write the USA DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In the end, the USA founding fathers would warmly welcome the Weltanschauung of Trump. And don't blame me - the mere messenger!
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could give the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad reasons
You guys ought to read PARADISE LOST. Warning: the UK government
counter-terror program now flags PARADISE LOST as a sign of far-right
extremism. Other banned books on London's literary list include:
BEOWULF
It pictures the Tolkien version of Beowulf.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
LEVIATHAN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
1984
TWO TREATISES OF GOVERNMENT
THE FOUR FEATHERS
BRAVE NEW WORLD
THE SECRET AGENT
THE CANTERBURY TALES
REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
<http://x.com/the_culturist_/status/2029278185569845682>
Is that true and are there any hard details
about that? Is checking out these books from
the library allowed but it's added to the
political biography the state and state
endorsed private institutions keep on all
citizens?
Would buying, selling and borrowing all
these books result in an arrest and political
interrogation by police as part of the War
On Literacy?
It turns out London's list is too little, too late. The USA founding
fathers were also nominalists. Jefferson used Satan's speech in PARADISE
LOST as a template to write the USA DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In the end, the USA founding fathers would warmly welcome the
Weltanschauung of Trump. And don't blame me - the mere messenger!
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:Among hard-core MAGA or for Democrats, independents, and the saner
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-
sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
According to
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
Trump's net approval has wandered within a 3.5% band since November,
with no trend.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly
with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported. Whether they will >significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
What are your conjectures, solely based on mockeries?Wow, you really /are/ suffering from TDS, aren't you.
That we are living in the Great Trump Void for the
last 12 years where nothing has happened but Trump.
Trump is the only issue. Not even a particle of light
can be seen, just Trump. Not a single political idea
exists but is a reflection of the all powerful image of
the initiative and dedication of Donald Trump. We've
all become illiterate and aphasic in our basking in
the glow of his unique genius. It's because of Trump
that we are no longer critical, no man can be
unaffected from his rhetorical brilliance. We are all
left with just Yes or No answers, but what's the
question? The only possible question, Trump; the only
possible answer, Trump. Trump. Trump.
That's my satire of Trump-centric criticism, which
has elevated Trump to the demigod status among his
supposed critics.
They take /credible/ death threats seriously.I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
aaaaYou will wait a very long time.a The best surprise he could give the USA is
dropping dead.a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to take a long
time to reverse.a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President". His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats. But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump. It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
You guys ought to read PARADISE LOST. Warning: the UK government
counter-terror program now flags PARADISE LOST as a sign of far-right
extremism. Other banned books on London's literary list include:
BEOWULF
It pictures the Tolkien version of Beowulf.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
LEVIATHAN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
1984
TWO TREATISES OF GOVERNMENT
THE FOUR FEATHERS
BRAVE NEW WORLD
THE SECRET AGENT
THE CANTERBURY TALES
REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
<http://x.com/the_culturist_/status/2029278185569845682>
Is that true and are there any hard details
about that? Is checking out these books from
the library allowed but it's added to the
political biography the state and state
endorsed private institutions keep on all
citizens?
Would buying, selling and borrowing all
these books result in an arrest and political
interrogation by police as part of the War
On Literacy?
It turns out London's list is too little, too late. The USA founding
fathers were also nominalists. Jefferson used Satan's speech in PARADISE
LOST as a template to write the USA DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In the end, the USA founding fathers would warmly welcome the
Weltanschauung of Trump. And don't blame me - the mere messenger!
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:59:42 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-
sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
According to
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
Trump's net approval has wandered within a 3.5% band since November,
with no trend.
Among hard-core MAGA or for Democrats, independents, and the saner Republicans as well?
That's the problem with statistics -- unless it is known what is
actually being measured, they are meaningless.
Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly
with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported. Whether they will
significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,
or both?
IOW, are they actual Americans who feel strongly about their
obsession, or are they foreign agents trying to steer America into destruction?
On 3/18/2026 11:37 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:59:42 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-
sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
According to
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin >>>
Trump's net approval has wandered within a 3.5% band since November,
with no trend.
Among hard-core MAGA or for Democrats, independents, and the saner
Republicans as well?
That's the problem with statistics -- unless it is known what is
actually being measured, they are meaningless.
As you'd know if you glanced at the reference URL (or were at all
familiar with Nate Silver's work) the polls from which the numbers are derived are general population:-a adults, registered voters, likely
voters, or voters depending on the survey.-a The stability would be hard
to explain if MAGA and less-committed Trump supporters were shifting
away to any significant extent (so far) - which rather supports the
remark (yours) I was replying to.
Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly
with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported.-a Whether they will
significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,
or both?
IOW, are they actual Americans who feel strongly about their
obsession, or are they foreign agents trying to steer America into
destruction?
They have real faces - household names in the MAGAsphere.-a See "widely reported" for details.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:59:42 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-
sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
According to
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
Trump's net approval has wandered within a 3.5% band since November,
with no trend.
Among hard-core MAGA or for Democrats, independents, and the saner Republicans as well?
That's the problem with statistics -- unless it is known what is
actually being measured, they are meaningless.
And sometimes they are meaningless anyway. Our water utility measures
useage in CCF but shows a graph of "gallons per day" which is based
dividing the CCF by the number of days between meter readings. As a
result, every few months, when the CCF I use drops from the usual 3 to
2, the statistics show I used 2/3ds as much water in the current
period, whereas in fact my useage is pretty much the same each and
every day.
The electric utility, OTOH, uses its WiFi meters to report how many
KWh I use /each and every hour/ during /each and every day/. This
would be more like it, it electricity leaked the way water does. But
it doesn't, and my pattern of use doesn't vary much.
Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly
with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported. Whether they will
significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,
or both?
IOW, are they actual Americans who feel strongly about their
obsession, or are they foreign agents trying to steer America into destruction?
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could give >> the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to take
a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest
of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could give
the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to
take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest
of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
On 3/18/26 12:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could >>>> give the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to
take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest >>>> of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
-a-a-a-aDeath and terror threats used to come over my phone when
I was working the phone for COYOTE here in San Francisco but I
am somewhat hardened to such nonsense.-a Finally though I quit
because of age and paranoia.
-a-a-a-abliss
On 3/18/2026 7:04 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 3/18/26 12:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could >>>>> give the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to
take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the
rest of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
-a-a-a-a-aDeath and terror threats used to come over my phone when
I was working the phone for COYOTE here in San Francisco but I
am somewhat hardened to such nonsense.-a Finally though I quit
because of age and paranoia.
-a-a-a-a-abliss
Coyote Logistics ?
Lynn
On 3/18/2026 11:37 AM, Paul S Person wrote:Thanks. I've managed to get myself into a rush again, so I can't
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:59:42 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 10:52:56 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-
sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
MAGA is increasingly disenchanted with the child rapist.
You wish. I wish. I suspect, however, that a lot of MAGA is making
excuses because Trump is being attacked by "them", and the ones
expressing dissatisfaction are not the fully-siloed core.
According to
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin >>>
Trump's net approval has wandered within a 3.5% band since November,
with no trend.
Among hard-core MAGA or for Democrats, independents, and the saner
Republicans as well?
That's the problem with statistics -- unless it is known what is
actually being measured, they are meaningless.
As you'd know if you glanced at the reference URL (or were at all
familiar with Nate Silver's work) the polls from which the numbers are >derived are general population: adults, registered voters, likely
voters, or voters depending on the survey. The stability would be hard
to explain if MAGA and less-committed Trump supporters were shifting
away to any significant extent (so far) - which rather supports the
remark (yours) I was replying to.
Having real faces and being household names says /nothing/ aboutAlso, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA
(or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly
with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported. Whether they will
significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,
or both?
IOW, are they actual Americans who feel strongly about their
obsession, or are they foreign agents trying to steer America into
destruction?
They have real faces - household names in the MAGAsphere. See "widely >reported" for details.
On 3/18/26 12:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:When I worked for the IRS, we were required to record threats on a
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
aaaaaYou will wait a very long time.a The best surprise he could give >>>> the USA is
dropping dead.a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to
take a long
time to reverse.a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest
of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
Death and terror threats used to come over my phone when
I was working the phone for COYOTE here in San Francisco but I
am somewhat hardened to such nonsense. Finally though I quit
because of age and paranoia.
On 3/18/26 12:03, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
I am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could >>>> give the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to
take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest >>>> of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad
reasons
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared to
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
-a-a-a-aDeath and terror threats used to come over my phone when
I was working the phone for COYOTE here in San Francisco but I
am somewhat hardened to such nonsense.-a Finally though I quit
because of age and paranoia.
On Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:58:33 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/18/2026 11:37 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 12:59:42 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 3/17/2026 11:47 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
Also, a lot of the articles on this appear to be talking about non-
MAGA voters who voted for Trump. That /they/ would be upset and
willing to vote for a Democrat is a lot more likely than that a MAGA >>>>> (or lifelong Republican, even if not MAGA) would be.
The dissatisfaction of a number of prominent MAGA "influencers," mostly >>>> with the Iran adventure, has been widely reported. Whether they will
significantly influence (har) the rank and file is unclear.
Are these the ones with American IPs, or the ones with overseas IPs,
or both?
IOW, are they actual Americans who feel strongly about their
obsession, or are they foreign agents trying to steer America into
destruction?
They have real faces - household names in the MAGAsphere. See "widely
reported" for details.
Having real faces and being household names says /nothing/ about
whether they are domestic or foreign.
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 19:15:27 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
<topic was the Republican Party can avoid a disaster in Novermber.
And, yes, Trump was definitely mentioned>
What are your conjectures, solely based on mockeries?
That we are living in the Great Trump Void for the
last 12 years where nothing has happened but Trump.
Trump is the only issue. Not even a particle of light
can be seen, just Trump. Not a single political idea
exists but is a reflection of the all powerful image of
the initiative and dedication of Donald Trump. We've
all become illiterate and aphasic in our basking in
the glow of his unique genius. It's because of Trump
that we are no longer critical, no man can be
unaffected from his rhetorical brilliance. We are all
left with just Yes or No answers, but what's the
question? The only possible question, Trump; the only
possible answer, Trump. Trump. Trump.
That's my satire of Trump-centric criticism, which
has elevated Trump to the demigod status among his
supposed critics.
Wow, you really /are/ suffering from TDS, aren't you.
That the Republican Party is defined as the Party of Trump currently
is hardly a "conjecture". Trump himself clearly believes it is so,
just as he clearly believes that he owns the Supreme Court.
And it isn't his critics who are claiming he was "anointed by Jesus"
to bomb Iran and "signal to God that it is time to end the world", as
some (which, if this is not entirely made up, may mean "one") of the
generals are said to have said.
That would, BTW, go /far/ beyond the EOTW scenarios derived from
Revelation in the books I read a while back that I inherited from my grandfather. Those authors might even have considered it blasphemous.
Such is the "progress" of (parts of) the Religious Right.
Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com> wrote:
You guys ought to read PARADISE LOST. Warning: the UK government
counter-terror program now flags PARADISE LOST as a sign of far-right
extremism. Other banned books on London's literary list include:
BEOWULF
It pictures the Tolkien version of Beowulf.
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
LEVIATHAN
THE LORD OF THE RINGS
1984
TWO TREATISES OF GOVERNMENT
THE FOUR FEATHERS
BRAVE NEW WORLD
THE SECRET AGENT
THE CANTERBURY TALES
REFLECTIONS ON THE REVOLUTION IN FRANCE
<http://x.com/the_culturist_/status/2029278185569845682>
Is that true and are there any hard details
about that? Is checking out these books from
the library allowed but it's added to the
political biography the state and state
endorsed private institutions keep on all
citizens?
Would buying, selling and borrowing all
these books result in an arrest and political
interrogation by police as part of the War
On Literacy?
It turns out London's list is too little, too late. The USA founding
fathers were also nominalists. Jefferson used Satan's speech in PARADISE >>> LOST as a template to write the USA DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
In the end, the USA founding fathers would warmly welcome the
Weltanschauung of Trump. And don't blame me - the mere messenger!
Ask rock about your first question:
<https://media.craiyon.com/2025-04-13/QQurhbBBSDmODhxALZuIHg.webp>
Yes, the story has validity. It comes from Douglas Murray's
Feb 2023 Spectator report on 2019 internal docs from the
UK's Prevent/RICU unit. They flagged classics like LOTR,
Paradise Lost, Leviathan (Hobbes), 1984, Shakespeare,
Canterbury Tales, Brave New World, and others as "key texts"
potentially linked to far-right/white nationalist indicators
or radicalization pathways in training materials. This was
part of broader (and criticized) efforts to spot extremism
beyond Islamist threats, leading to 2023 Prevent reforms for
better focus.
<https://x.com/grok/status/2029625851084415035>
No, the UK is not currently implementing the practice of
flagging classics like LOTR, Paradise Lost or Leviathan as
far-right extremism indicators.
Those came from 2019 internal Prevent/RICU training docs,
reported in 2023. The Independent Review led to reforms:
new Prevent duty guidance (effective Dec 2023, updated Mar
2024) makes no such references, stresses proportionate focus
on primary threats (mainly Islamist extremism) and ideological
drivers, with emphasis on free speech safeguards. Official
sources confirm the old materials are not current policy.
https://x.com/grok/status/2029628660777415070
Weltanschauung is worldview. The worldview of the founding fathers and
Trump is: "The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heav'n
of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n."
The mind of Satan slyly sees Hell as Heav'n. "Better to reign in
Hell than serve in Heaven," says shrewd Satan.
Founding fathers who share Trump's nominalism says nothing about
whether they agree or disagree with Trump.
# # #
Addendum: Some Science Fiction fans feel FOUNDATION by Asimov is
informed by Gibbon's DECLINE AND FALL. Gibbon's grumble against
Christians [eg Catholics] leans into nominalism. Gibbon's stylish swish
"++" seems at odds with his "manly virtues."
"[The Christians'] credulity deba++ed and vitiated the
faculties of the mind ; they corrupted the evidence of
hi++tory ; and ++uper++tition gradually extingui++hed the
ho++tile light of philo++ophy and ++cience. Every mode of
religious wor++hip which had been practi++ed by the ++aints,
every my++terious doctrine which they believed, was
fortified by the ++anction of divine revelation, and all
the manly virtues were oppre++++ed by the ++ervile and
pu++illanimous reign of the monks"
<https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_decline-and-fall-octav_gibbon-edward-the-hist_1792_6/page/268/mode/2up>
On 3/17/2026 11:15 PM, Pluted Pup wrote:
There was a time that the Secret Service appeared toI am still hoping,
though, for a pleasant surprise from Trump.
-a-a-a-a-aYou will wait a very long time.-a The best surprise he could give the USA is
dropping dead.-a Even then the poison he leaves behind is going to take a long
time to reverse.-a He will continue along the path of AH for the rest of his life
bliss - 88 yoa and remembers all the damned wars for good and bad reasons >>
take death threats against the President, as Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".-a His successor Reagan at first kept the
Carter severity in place but then went "laissez-faire",
and now hardly anyone is arrested for threats.-a But
death threats should be taken as an offense more
seriously, and not as "normal" political language.
Mass Media Death Threats presaged assassinations and
attempts against Charlie Kirk and Donald Trump.-a It
is routine for criminals to make death threats
against their victims.
Excited, unhinged people make death threats all the
time, against all kinds of people.
I myself, was once threatened with death online,
seriously enough that I alerted authorities. The
person was on the other side of the world, and of
very limited means, so it was eventually ignored.
pt
On 3/18/26 8:45 AM, Paul S Person wrote:Actually, one would expect a /competent/ President of the United
On Tue, 17 Mar 2026 19:15:27 -0700, Pluted Pup <plutedpup@outlook.com>
wrote:
<topic was the Republican Party can avoid a disaster in Novermber.
And, yes, Trump was definitely mentioned>
What are your conjectures, solely based on mockeries?
That we are living in the Great Trump Void for the
last 12 years where nothing has happened but Trump.
Trump is the only issue. Not even a particle of light
can be seen, just Trump. Not a single political idea
exists but is a reflection of the all powerful image of
the initiative and dedication of Donald Trump. We've
all become illiterate and aphasic in our basking in
the glow of his unique genius. It's because of Trump
that we are no longer critical, no man can be
unaffected from his rhetorical brilliance. We are all
left with just Yes or No answers, but what's the
question? The only possible question, Trump; the only
possible answer, Trump. Trump. Trump.
That's my satire of Trump-centric criticism, which
has elevated Trump to the demigod status among his
supposed critics.
Wow, you really /are/ suffering from TDS, aren't you.
That the Republican Party is defined as the Party of Trump currently
is hardly a "conjecture". Trump himself clearly believes it is so,
just as he clearly believes that he owns the Supreme Court.
And it isn't his critics who are claiming he was "anointed by Jesus"
to bomb Iran and "signal to God that it is time to end the world", as
some (which, if this is not entirely made up, may mean "one") of the
generals are said to have said.
That would, BTW, go /far/ beyond the EOTW scenarios derived from
Revelation in the books I read a while back that I inherited from my
grandfather. Those authors might even have considered it blasphemous.
Such is the "progress" of (parts of) the Religious Right.
The meaning of the semi-permanent Middle East War
Involving Israel cannot be deduced by analyzing the
character of Donald Trump, that tactic is diversionary
to avoid criticizing Israel.
Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".
On 18/03/2026 03:15, Pluted Pup wrote:
Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".
-a Do you have a source for that? I can't find any reference to it.
On 4/1/2026 12:11 PM, Graham wrote:Hey, a vicious rabbit worked in the film.
On 18/03/2026 03:15, Pluted Pup wrote:
Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".
a Do you have a source for that? I can't find any reference to it.
I'd like to see that too.
I'm only aware of two cases being investigated: Raymond Lee Harvey >(arrested, charges dropped), and John Hinckley Jr (detained, not
charged).
...then there's the swimming rabbit....
On Wed, 1 Apr 2026 21:25:53 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4/1/2026 12:11 PM, Graham wrote:
On 18/03/2026 03:15, Pluted Pup wrote:
Carter
had 25,000 people arrested for "threatening the
President".
-a Do you have a source for that? I can't find any reference to it.
I'd like to see that too.
I'm only aware of two cases being investigated: Raymond Lee Harvey
(arrested, charges dropped), and John Hinckley Jr (detained, not
charged).
...then there's the swimming rabbit....
Hey, a vicious rabbit worked in the film.
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