• Re: Unreliable narrator

    From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sat Mar 7 22:51:46 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have
    decoding for rot13. We're supposed to number
    each letter and then add or subtract 13 to find
    the answer one letter at a time? That's worse
    than morse code.

    But to the point, are narrators ever reliable?
    They seem to exist to mislead.



    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.books,rec.arts.tv on Sun Mar 8 07:13:33 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On Mar 7, 2026 at 10:51:46 PM PST, "Pluted Pup" <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have
    decoding for rot13. We're supposed to number
    each letter and then add or subtract 13 to find
    the answer one letter at a time? That's worse
    than morse code.

    www.rot13.com

    Simple.


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  • From Your Name@YourName@YourISP.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sun Mar 8 20:15:44 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 2026-03-08 06:51:46 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have decoding for rot13.
    We're supposed to number each letter and then add or subtract 13 to
    find the answer one letter at a time? That's worse than morse code.

    Most proper newsreading apps have an option to convert to / from ROT13 easily.

    For those without, there are numerous free websites that will do it via
    a quick copy-paste. For example: <https://www.rot13.app>


    But to the point, are narrators ever reliable? They seem to exist to mislead.


    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.


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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sat Mar 7 23:34:38 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.



    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.


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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sat Mar 7 23:41:14 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/7/26 11:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2026-03-08 06:51:46 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have decoding for rot13. We're supposed to number each letter and then add or subtract 13 to find the answer one letter at a time?-a That's worse than morse code.

    Most proper newsreading apps have an option to convert to / from ROT13 easily.

    Not Thunderbird and not Hogwasher.


    For those without, there are numerous free websites that will do it via a quick copy-paste. For example: <https://www.rot13.app>

    That looks easy, after I made a three column chart to
    figure it out.



    But to the point, are narrators ever reliable? They seem to exist to mislead.


    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push >>> the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.



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  • From super70s@super70s@super70s.invalid to rec.arts.tv, rec.arts.books on Sun Mar 8 11:16:50 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 2026-03-08 07:34:38 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.

    Now let's do pig Latin for the kids.

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  • From The True Melissa@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sat Mar 7 15:11:32 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.
    --
    The True Melissa - Canal Winchester - Ohio
    United States of America - North America - Earth
    Solar System - Milky Way - Local Group
    Virgo Cluster - Laniakea Supercluster - Cosmos
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sat Mar 7 16:27:24 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/7/2026 3:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.

    I first heard of the book in the context of its "twist", and so was
    denied the pleasure of being spun around ...but can't imagine any reader feeling less than delighted at A.C.'s out-of-the-box thinking.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sun Mar 8 14:26:11 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/8/2026 12:16 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2026-03-08 07:34:38 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.

    Now let's do pig Latin for the kids.

    Ixsay evvensay...



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  • From Pluted Pup@plutedpup@outlook.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.books on Sun Mar 8 18:47:41 2026
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.books

    On 3/8/26 9:16 AM, super70s wrote:
    On 2026-03-08 07:34:38 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.

    Now let's do pig Latin for the kids.

    I haven't seen the comedy short Pig Latin (2007).


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