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Verily, in article <1084m49$cfq6$1@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?
It's because most people can't write very well.
My own writing is better than an AI's writing. So is yours, for that
matter.
Melissa mentioned:
Verily, in article <1084m49$cfq6$1@dont-email.me>, did
agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:
Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?
It's because most people can't write very well.
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canrCOt come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
BTW notice how Aggy has shifted the goalposts from creating ideas
(like the idea of Doctor Who) to arranging words to fit ideas
that already exist. Another sign he knows herCOs losing.
My own writing is better than an AI's writing. So is yours, for that
matter.
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW fanfic. All
fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm not exaggerating.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The main
plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen instead. The
Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced by
two generic bimbos, and Douglas AdamsrCOs wit and humour is
replaced by crude sex jokes.
On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canrCOt come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.
I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created.
Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years,
If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.
The True loon blah blah something beginning with L that I
canrCOt even be bothered to think up:
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of
Tom Baker the writers were even given the title the
episode had to be called and had to come up with ideas
based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or The Ark
in Space.
Well, rCyRevengerCarCO was originally to be called rCyReturn of the CybermenrCO. But letrCOs ignore that for now.
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
The Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced
by two generic bimbos, and Douglas AdamsrCOs wit and humour
is replaced by crude sex jokes.
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Blueshirt bamboozled me:
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the
CybermenrCO is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not
just DW fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO
look good. IrCOm not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.
But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)
solar penguin wrote:
The True loon blah blah something beginning with L that I
canrCOt even be bothered to think up:
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of
Tom Baker the writers were even given the title the
episode had to be called and had to come up with ideas
based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or The Ark
in Space.
Well, rCyRevengerCarCO was originally to be called rCyReturn of the
CybermenrCO. But letrCOs ignore that for now.
Which Big Finish did an adaptation of for their "Lost Stories"
range of audios.
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
The Movellans are replaced by clones, Romana is replaced
by two generic bimbos, and Douglas AdamsrCOs wit and humour
is replaced by crude sex jokes.
Bimbos and crude sex jokes?! Scandalous.
<goes away to re-read AGA's story as clearly I forgot the most
important bits!>
Blueshirt bamboozled me:
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.
But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)
----
solar penguin
solar penguin wrote:
Blueshirt bamboozled me:
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the
CybermenrCO is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not
just DW fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO
look good. IrCOm not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.
But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.
I can't remember all the titles of the ones I thought were
shit but on fictionhunt.com using filter boxes "Fanfic" and
Doctor Who in the "fandom" box would bring up thousands of
Doctor Who stories, there are some good ones there, there are
some bad ones there... and there are some very bad ones!
AGA's "Planet of the Cybermen" wouldn't be anywhere near the
bottom five thousand!!!
IMHO of course... :-)
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)
NOBODY should ever change a Dalek story to a Cyberman story!
Ever!
The True Doctor wrote:
On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:
And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canrCOt come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.
What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.
Well, rCyRevengerCarCO was originally to be called rCyReturn of the CybermenrCO. But letrCOs ignore that for now.
We were supposed to be discussing who created Doctor Who,
not who created some Tom Baker era episode titles.
There is a difference!
I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created.
So you can remember that when it suits you? Good!
Then stop changing the subject to AI or Ed Sheeran or Tom
BakerrCOs story titles!
To determine who created Doctor Who we need to look at the
minutes and memos and other paperwork regarding its creation.
ThatrCOs all.
And the paperwork just plain doesnrCOt support your version of events.
Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years,
DonrCOt waste your time lying to me. IrCOve read it. I know the truth.
If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.
OK.
( *thinks* )
It hasnrCOt changed. ItrCOs still bad.
Blueshirt bamboozled me:
solar penguin wrote:
Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.
Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.
OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.
But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.
And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.
He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.
Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)