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In article <xn0p9t3kd6qr3n004@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

solar penguin wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the
CybermenrCO is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not
just DW fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO
look good. IrCOm not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.

I can't remember all the titles of the ones I thought were
shit but on fictionhunt.com using filter boxes "Fanfic" and
Doctor Who in the "fandom" box would bring up thousands of
Doctor Who stories, there are some good ones there, there are
some bad ones there... and there are some very bad ones!

AGA's "Planet of the Cybermen" wouldn't be anywhere near the
bottom five thousand!!!

IMHO of course... :-)

And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)

NOBODY should ever change a Dalek story to a Cyberman story!
Ever!

Daleks vs Cybermen works for me.
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On 21/08/2025 07:52, solar imbecile wrote:

The True Doctor wrote:

On 20/08/2025 18:20, solar idiot wrote:

And even then, AI can only handle the part of writing that involves
choosing words to express ideas. It canrCOt come up up with those
ideas in the first place. You literally have to give it prompt.

What do you think a story brief is? Back in the days of Tom Baker the
writers were even given the title the episode had to be called and had
to come up with ideas based on that, such as Revenge of the Cybermen or
The Ark in Space.

Well, rCyRevengerCarCO was originally to be called rCyReturn of the CybermenrCO. But letrCOs ignore that for now.

We were supposed to be discussing who created Doctor Who,
not who created some Tom Baker era episode titles.

There is a difference!

No there isn't. You've completely lost the argument which is one about literary influences, so you're refusing to discuss it any further.
You're a total moron that refuses to consider anything other that
challenges your preconceptions.

I've not moved any goalposts, and if you think I did it indicates that
you are the one who has lost the argument. The subject was and still is
how Doctor Who was created.

So you can remember that when it suits you? Good!

Then stop changing the subject to AI or Ed Sheeran or Tom
BakerrCOs story titles!

You are the one changing the subject and refusing to discuss any of the related issues because you've already lost.

To determine who created Doctor Who we need to look at the
minutes and memos and other paperwork regarding its creation.
ThatrCOs all.

We already know who created Doctor Who. Sydney Newman.

And the paperwork just plain doesnrCOt support your version of events.

Wrong. The paperwork all points in the direction of Doctor Omega as
being one of the main literary influences of Doctor Who. It can all be summarised as stories about "a mad man in a box".

You are too stupid and narrow minded to understand how literature is developed. It isn't pulled out of thin air from nothing. It is based on everything that has come before it, either directly or indirectly,
unless you're an insane moron who comes up with incoherent shit
generated at random, defying all the rules of good writing, like the
crap coming from Chibnall and Davies.

Sydney Newman didn't decide to reinvent the wheel by coming up with the
genera of science fiction. Science fiction was already there and Newman
used what was already there to create Doctor Who.

A True Story by Lucian > From Earth to the Moon and Round the Moon by
Jules Verne > The First Men in the Moon + The Time Machine + The War of
the Worlds by H G Wells > Doctor Omega by Arnould Galopin > The Skylark
of Space by E E Smith + Armageddon 2419 AD by Philip Francis Nowlan
(both published on the same day in the same magazine) > Flash Gordon by
Alex Raymond > numerous derivative works including Doctor Who

George Lucas didn't create Star Wars out of nothing either. Or are going
to deny that he based it on The Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa,
despite there being more in common between Doctor Who and Doctor Omega
than there is between Star Wars and The Hidden Fortress?

Planet of the Cybermen beats every single episode written by Chibnall
ever, and everything written by Davies in the last 3 years,

DonrCOt waste your time lying to me. IrCOve read it. I know the truth.

You know nothing.

If you think Planet of the Cybermen is bad then think again.

OK.

( *thinks* )

It hasnrCOt changed. ItrCOs still bad.

Not compared to the pile of garbage written by RTD over the last 3
years. Compared to that Planet of the Cybermen would win a Pulitzer Prize.
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On 21/08/2025 11:55, solar imbecile wrote:

Blueshirt bamboozled me:

solar penguin wrote:

Have you read any of AggyrCOs fiction? rCyPlanet of the CybermenrCO
is possibly the worst fanfic IrCOve ever read. Not just DW
fanfic. All fanfic ever. It makes rCyMy ImmortalrCO look good. IrCOm
not exaggerating.

Steady on old chap... I have read some awful fanfic over the
years and there's no way it could be the absolute worst! At
least AGA can write. I have read fanwanky fanfic that
came across like it was written by a dyslexic on steroids.

OK. IrCOll yield to your greater experience with these things.
It might not be the all-time worst ever.

But I still insist itrCOs the worst IrCOve read.

And true to his philosophy, itrCOs mostly recycled ideas. The
main plot is rCyDestiny of the DaleksrCO but with Cybermen
instead.

He should have sent the idea to Big Finish, they love that
sort of thing.

Unfortunately, when a Dalek story has a weaker author rewrite
it and turn its Daleks into Cybermen, the results arenrCOt always
good. (See rCySilver NemesisrCO for another example.)

I didn't rewrite Destiny of the Daleks. I took the basic premise of
Daleks fighting Movelans and reinterpreted it as Cybermen fighting
Clones with barely any other elements of that story such as the rescue
of Davros, computers and Daleks that only work based on logic leading to stalemate, and rock, paper, scissors, being depicted. You could at least
give me credit for copying Attack of the Clones by George Lucas which
did exactly the same thing with Robots fighting Clones. But you don't
have the faintest clue about how literature is written or what it's
based on because you refuse to learn anything that contradicts your
existing preconceptions.

Turning Cybermen into Daleks was a bad idea, but it wasn't my bad idea.
Doctor Who had already made them indistinguishable since at least
Revelation of the Daleks. In the new series there's no difference
whatsoever between them at all with Davros being turned into Lumic.

I did a better job in Realm of Warcraft/Onset of the Cybermen/Onslaught
of the Cybermen by taking the concept of the Cybermen back to it's
original roots of humans voluntarily enhancing their bodies and
replacing broken down parts in order to gain supremacy. The Cyberman are Communists who want to make everyone exactly like them, the more that volunteer for it the better. The Daleks on the other hand are Fascists,
Nazis, and racists and believe they are already superior and will never
allow anyone who does not share the same DNA as them to be like them. Revelation of the Daleks totally fucked that up and turned the Daleks
into Cybermen.

The Daleks and Davros were primerily based on Synthetic Men of Mars by
Edgar Rice Burroughs. Thus the next step in their evolution, based on
the original source material, is for them to return to humanoid form
again, not to turn humans into Daleks and become more mechanical and
thus devoid of feelings and emotions which is what Cybermen do. And of
course turning Daleks into computers in Destiny of the Daleks was
another fuck up. They're supposed to be Nazis not Allen Turing. It's no
wonder Terry Nation got John Peel to erase Destiny and everything after
it from canon.
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Verily, in article <1084m49$cfq6$1@dont-email.me>, did agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM deliver unto us this message:

Literature works the same way. There's only a certain way words and
ideas can be put together to write good description, dialogue, and a
good story. Why do you think AI writes better than most humans?

It's because most people can't write very well.

My own writing is better than an AI's writing. So is yours, for that
matter.

Just
look at TV and the movies and everything you see contains the same stock phrases and lines of speech repeated in every single show and movie.

Only in cliched works. It's not a good thing when the audience can
deliver expected lines like "Hey... be careful" or "NOOOOO!" right along
with the characters, on the first viewing.

This is becoming a problem in literature,too. One commentary I heard
thinks it's bleedthrough from fanfic. Fanfic is often hashtagged with
things like #longlostsister or #hurtcomfort so that readers can pick
works with particular emotions involved, and -- terrifingly -- BookTok
is starting to ask why traditionally published works don't have similar hashtags.

The books we love and remember generally contain some things we
*weren't* expecting.
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