• J D Vance On Joe Rogan

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to nz.politics,alt.politics.trump,soc.culture.israel on Thu Jul 16 18:48:44 2026
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    Following on from his previous chiding of Israel by pointing out they
    no longer have any friends apart from the USA, J D Vance is now
    complaining that some in the Israeli Government are trying to
    undermine any prospect of a deal with Iran.

    Gee, ya think? You mean yourCOve JUST realized that Israel has only been
    using you to damage or weaken Iran? That the whole plan was never
    about rCLpeace and stability for the regionrCY, but was just about
    IsraelrCOs ambitions to dominate and intimidate its neighbours?

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/7/16/vance-says-israeli-campaign-tried-to-sway-us-opinion-against-iran-diplomacy>
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  • From Tall Henry@not@home.org to nz.politics,alt.politics.trump,soc.culture.israel on Thu Jul 16 21:51:22 2026
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    What Iran stands for. The list, followed by specifics:

    1) Violently submitting the entire world to Islamic rule
    2) Adopting Nazi ideology and imagery
    3) Mass murder of protesters
    4) Terror attacks all the energy hubs in the ME
    5) AMIA bombing
    6) Supporting every terror organization in the Middle East,
    and thereby causing an enormous loss of lives
    7) 2019 attack on Saudi-Arabia oil facilities
    8) Antisemitism and Holocaust denial
    9) oppression and mass executions
    10) Mass rape, torture in its jails
    11) Numerous missile and drone attacks on its neighbors, which were not
    involved in the Iran-US war.


    Violently submitting the entire world to Islamic rule -----------------------------------------------------
    [Iran's Supreme Leader] Khomeini emphasized "exporting the revolution"
    to spread Islam, stating, "Until the cry 'There is no god but Allah'
    resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle".

    The Nazis from Iran
    -------------------
    Iranian leaders and state-sponsored organizations have frequently used Nazi-like
    imagery and terminology in their rhetoric against Israel. This includes the direct
    use of Nazi slogans, the dehumanization of Jewish people through animal metaphors.

    In May 2020, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's official website published a poster using
    the phrase "The Final Solution" (the Nazi term for the Holocaust) to describe the
    liberation of Palestine.

    Insects and Vermin: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei have referred to the "Zionist regime" as a "black and filthy microbe" and a "cancerous tumor".

    Animal Comparisons: Official state media and speakers have used motifs comparing
    Jews and Zionists to rats, mice, and other vermin.

    State-Sponsored Holocaust Cartoon Contests:
    The Iranian government has supported multiple "International Holocaust Cartoon Contests" (notably in 2006 and 2016) that frequently utilize Nazi imagery.

    Mass murder of protesters
    -------------------------
    Independent organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRANA) suggest between 30,000 and 36,500 people may have been killed.

    Reports emerged of security forces using live ammunition and machine guns against unarmed crowds, raiding hospitals to arrest or execute wounded protesters, and using foreign militias to suppress dissent.

    Iran attacking all the energy hubs in the ME --------------------------------------------
    In the current conflict, Iran has shifted its strategy to target major
    regional energy hubs. Key infrastructure hit includes the Ras Laffan LNG facility in Qatar, the Bahrain BAPCO refinery, and energy sites in Ras
    Tanura, Saudi Arabia, and the Habshan gas facility in the UAE. Additionally, maritime strikes have targeted fuel tankers near Iraq's Basra port, causing significant blazes and contributing to global energy market volatility.
    While earlier Iranian barrages focused on Israeli military targets like
    the Nevatim Airbase, recent escalations have directly prioritized the destruction of critical oil and gas processing centers across the Persian
    Gulf.

    Iran behind AMIA bombing
    ------------------------
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing

    Iran behind basically every terror organization in the Middle East ------------------------------------------------------------------ https://www.state.gov/reports/country-reports-on-terrorism-2021/iran/

    Iran behind 2019 attack on Saudi-Arabia oil facilities ------------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack

    Iran's antisemitism and Holocaust denial ---------------------------------------- https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/holocaust-denial-antisemitism-iran

    Iran's oppression and mass executions
    ------------------------------------- https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/iran-executes-853-people-in-eight-year-high-amid-relentless-repression-and-renewed-war-on-drugs/
    https://theconversation.com/despite-un-warnings-irans-execution-of-kurds-and-political-dissidents-continues-unchecked-223138#:~:text=In%20the%20first%2011%20months,prisoners%2C%20including%20four%20on%20Jan.

    Mass rape, torture in Iranian jails
    ----------------------------------- https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20231206-rape-torture-used-to-silence-iran-s-mahsa-amini-protesters-amnesty-says

    Attacks on its neighbors
    ------------------------
    Iran fired more than 4,000 ballistic missiles and drones at its neighbors across the Persian Gulf
    throughout the 2026 war, including over 1,400 heavy ballistic missiles during the peak of combat
    operations. The United Arab Emirates was the most heavily targeted state.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to nz.politics,alt.politics.trump,soc.culture.israel on Thu Jul 16 21:57:33 2026
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    On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 21:51:22 +0000 (UTC), rjac@shell02.TheWorld.com
    wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Jul 2026 18:48:44 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    Following on from his previous chiding of Israel by pointing out
    they no longer have any friends apart from the USA, J D Vance is
    now complaining that some in the Israeli Government are trying to
    undermine any prospect of a deal with Iran.

    Gee, ya think? You mean yourCOve JUST realized that Israel has only
    been using you to damage or weaken Iran? That the whole plan was
    never about rCLpeace and stability for the regionrCY, but was just
    about IsraelrCOs ambitions to dominate and intimidate its neighbours?

    <https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/7/16/vance-says-israeli-campaign-tried-to-sway-us-opinion-against-iran-diplomacy>

    What Iran stands for.

    What Iran *used* to stand for, before certain Western nations began
    meddling in its affairs:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh>.

    Is it any wonder they bear a grudge over that, when they see the other
    side refusing to admit any responsibility for past misdeeds?
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  • From Tall Henry@not@home.org to nz.politics,alt.politics.trump,soc.culture.israel on Thu Jul 16 22:52:49 2026
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    In article <113bk4d$2albe$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    What Iran *used* to stand for, before certain Western nations began
    meddling in its affairs:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh>.

    This was many years ago.

    Is it any wonder they bear a grudge over that, when they see the other
    side refusing to admit any responsibility for past misdeeds?

    It's not frustration over past deeds. Countries have recovered from
    far worse doings, made peace, and moved on.

    The scummy British Empire caused tremendous suffering all over the world.
    Yet I don't see India (which suffered far more than Iran) behave like a
    rabid dog, 80 years afterwards.

    It's fucking religious lunacy.

    Violently submitting the entire world to Islamic rule -----------------------------------------------------
    [Iran's Supreme Leader] Khomeini emphasized "exporting the revolution"
    to spread Islam, stating, "Until the cry 'There is no god but Allah'
    resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle".

    This is what's it about. You can play blind, but that does not change
    reality.

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  • From Michael Ejercito@MEjercit@HotMail.com to nz.politics,alt.politics.trump,soc.culture.israel on Thu Jul 16 19:17:53 2026
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    Tall Henry wrote:
    In article <113bk4d$2albe$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    What Iran *used* to stand for, before certain Western nations began
    meddling in its affairs:
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh>.

    This was many years ago.

    Is it any wonder they bear a grudge over that, when they see the other
    side refusing to admit any responsibility for past misdeeds?

    It's not frustration over past deeds. Countries have recovered from
    far worse doings, made peace, and moved on.

    The scummy British Empire caused tremendous suffering all over the world.
    Yet I don't see India (which suffered far more than Iran) behave like a
    rabid dog, 80 years afterwards.

    It's fucking religious lunacy.

    Violently submitting the entire world to Islamic rule -----------------------------------------------------
    [Iran's Supreme Leader] Khomeini emphasized "exporting the revolution"
    to spread Islam, stating, "Until the cry 'There is no god but Allah'
    resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle".

    This is what's it about. You can play blind, but that does not change reality.

    Not to mention Britain was once colonized by the Romans.


    Michael
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