• No apologies u Naming Zionism for what it is

    From NefeshBarYochai@void@invalid.noy to soc.culture.jewish,uk.current-events.terrorism,can.politics,nz.politics on Sun Apr 5 11:57:55 2026
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    oA people that oppresses another cannot itself be freeo -Friedrich
    Engels u

    Zionism is racism. I state this plainly, not as a slogan designed to
    provoke, but as a conclusion drawn from history, lived reality, and
    the political structure that has emerged in what is now called Israel.
    I am not interested in diluting this claim to make it more
    comfortable, nor in softening its edges to invite polite debate. Some
    ideas demand clarity, not compromise.

    Zionism presents itself as a movement for Jewish self-determination.
    In isolation, that principle sounds reasonableuevery people should
    have the right to shape their political future. But no political
    project exists in isolation.

    Zionism did not emerge in an empty land, and it did not unfold without consequence. It took root in a place where another people already
    lived, and its realization required their displacement, their
    fragmentation, and their continued subordination.

    The events of 1948 are not a tragic misunderstanding or an unfortunate byproduct of state-building. They are central. Hundreds of thousands
    of Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes, entire
    villages were destroyed, and a society that had existed for
    generations was systematically dismantled. Palestinians remember this
    as the Nakba u othe catastropheouand that name is not rhetorical
    exaggeration. It is an accurate description of a foundational rupture
    that continues to shape every aspect of Palestinian life.

    What followed was not a temporary injustice but the consolidation of a
    system. Land laws, citizenship structures, and state policies were
    crafted in ways that privileged Jewish identity while marginalizing Palestinians, whether they remained within the borders of Israel or
    lived under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. This is not incidental. It is the logical outcome of a state built to maintain a demographic and political majority for one group over others.

    Supporters of Zionism often argue that it is not racism but national liberationua response to centuries of persecution culminating in the
    Holocaust. That history is undeniable and horrific.

    The genocide of European Jews stands as one of the greatest crimes in
    human history. But historical suffering does not grant moral
    exemption. It does not justify the dispossession of another people,
    nor does it transform inequality into justice.

    If anything, it should deepen the commitment to universal rights, not
    narrow them.

    To point this out is not to deny Jewish history or identity. It is to
    reject the idea that safety for one people must be built on the
    exclusion or subjugation of another. A political ideology that
    enshrines ethnic or religious preference into law u especially in a
    land shared by multiple communitiesucannot be reconciled with genuine
    equality. When rights are distributed based on identity,
    discrimination is not a flaw in the system; it is the system.

    This reality is visible not only in historical events but in
    present-day structures. Palestinians in the occupied territories live
    under military rule, subject to restrictions on movement, access to
    resources, and basic civil liberties. Within Israel itself,
    Palestinian citizens face systemic inequalities in areas such as land allocation, housing, and political power. The fragmentation of
    Palestinian identity u into citizens, residents, refugees, and those
    under occupation u is not accidental. It is a method of control.

    Language often obscures these realities. Terms like osecurity,o
    oconflict,o and odisputed territorieso create the impression of
    symmetry, as though two equal sides are engaged in a balanced
    struggle. But the lived experience tells a different story: one of
    power and dispossession, of a state with overwhelming military and
    political dominance over a stateless people. Naming that imbalance
    matters, because without it, injustice can be reframed as
    inevitability.

    There are those who challenge this system from within. Voices like
    Miko Peleduan Israeli raised within the Zionist establishmentuhave
    come to reject the ideology precisely because they see its
    consequences. Their critiques are not born of ignorance or hostility
    but of proximity and reflection. They demonstrate that opposition to
    Zionism is not synonymous with hostility toward Jews; it is a
    political and ethical stance against a specific system of power.

    Critics of this position often respond by labelling it extreme or
    unfair. They argue that Zionism has multiple interpretations, that it
    can be reformed, or that it simply expresses the desire of a people to
    live in safety. But the question is not what Zionism claims to be in
    theory. The question is what it has produced in practice. And in
    practice, it has created and maintained a reality in which one groupAs
    rights and freedoms are structurally elevated above anotherAs.

    If we apply the same moral standards we claim to uphold elsewhere u
    opposition to segregation, to ethno-national supremacy, to systems
    that privilege one group over anotheruthen the conclusion becomes
    difficult to avoid.

    When a state defines itself in ways that systematically advantage one
    identity while disadvantaging others, it enters the realm of
    discrimination. When that discrimination is entrenched in law, policy,
    and daily life, it is not incidental. It is foundational.

    This is why I say that Zionism is racism. Not as an insult, but as a description. It names a system in which identity determines rights, in
    which history is used to justify inequality, and in which the pursuit
    of one groupAs security has come at the cost of anotherAs freedom.

    There is a tendency to treat such statements as beyond the bounds of
    acceptable discourse, to insist that they are too harsh, too absolute,
    too divisive. But discomfort is not the same as inaccuracy. If
    anything, the resistance to naming the problem reflects how deeply
    normalized the system has become.

    Conclusion:
    No system built on inequality can endure without resistance, and no
    injustice has ever been resolved by refusing to name it. If we believe
    in dignity, equality, and freedom as universal principles, then they
    cannot stop at the borders of Palestine, nor be conditional on
    identity. The choice is not between politeness and truth u it is
    between maintaining a system of domination or confronting it honestly.
    I choose honesty. And honesty demands that we say it without
    hesitation, without dilution, and without apology: Zionism is racism.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260404-no-apologies-naming-zionism-for-what-it-is/


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  • From NefeshBarYochai@void@invalid.noy to soc.culture.jewish,can.politics,nz.politics on Sun Apr 5 16:04:52 2026
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    Hamas' dream of world conquest and Islamic rule over the
    entire planet, w/o any "Jews or Christian traitors" ******************************************************* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0Gz7XOuKY https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304?dicbo=v2-6NXz5D9

    [Iran's supreme leader] Khomeini emphasized "exporting the revolution"
    to spread Islam, stating, "Until the cry 'There is no god but Allah'
    resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle".

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  • From doctor@doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) to soc.culture.jewish,can.politics,nz.politics on Sun Apr 5 19:23:06 2026
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    In article <10qu174$vhf$2@pcls7.std.com>,
    NefeshBarYochai <void@invalid.noy> wrote:

    Hamas' dream of world conquest and Islamic rule over the
    entire planet, w/o any "Jews or Christian traitors" >******************************************************* >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0Gz7XOuKY >https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-765304?dicbo=v2-6NXz5D9

    [Iran's supreme leader] Khomeini emphasized "exporting the revolution"
    to spread Islam, stating, "Until the cry 'There is no god but Allah'
    resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle".


    When?
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to soc.culture.jewish,can.politics,nz.politics on Sun Apr 5 20:45:37 2026
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    On Sun, 5 Apr 2026 16:04:52 +0000 (UTC), rjac@shell02.TheWorld.com wrote:

    Hamas' dream of world conquest and Islamic rule over the entire
    planet, w/o any "Jews or Christian traitors"

    They are not the ones trying to evict their neighbours from their land
    so they can steal it though, are they.
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  • From Dhu on Gate@campbell@neotext.ca to soc.culture.jewish,uk.current-events.terrorism,can.politics,nz.politics on Tue Apr 7 06:37:58 2026
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    On Sun, 05 Apr 2026 11:57:55 -0400, NefeshBarYochai wrote:


    Zionism is racism. I state this plainly, not as a slogan designed to

    More accurately Zionism is NAZIsm: a racist take on Fascist Nationalism.

    Dhu

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    Ne obliviscaris: vix ea nostra voco!

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  • From NoSpamAtAll@spam-me-not@not.home to can.politics,soc.culture.jewish,nz.politics on Tue Apr 7 07:26:01 2026
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    In article <pan$3b65$ab8ede5d$13a442e$ee607473@neotext.ca>,
    Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca> wrote:

    More accurately Zionism is NAZIsm:

    That's why 25% of Israel's citizens are non-Jewish, I guess, and
    they refuse to live under the rule of their "brothers" in the
    Palestinian Authority?

    Another interesting fact:

    Various Muslim nations and organizations in the Middle East have been concentrating their efforts at destroying Israel, and have initiated
    many wars and operations against it, since 1948.

    Yet, amazingly, since then, about 40 times more Muslims have been killed
    by other Muslims in the Middle East, than in all the confrontations with
    Israel combined.

    But stay stupid, halfwit.

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to can.politics,soc.culture.jewish,nz.politics on Tue Apr 7 08:10:01 2026
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    On Tue, 7 Apr 2026 07:26:01 +0000 (UTC), NoSpamAtAll wrote:

    That's why 25% of Israel's citizens are non-Jewish, I guess ...

    You mean the ones who are treated as second-class citizens in what is
    supposed to be their own country?

    From <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel>:

    In the wake of the 1948 Palestine war, the Israeli government
    conferred Israeli citizenship upon all Palestinians who had
    remained or were not expelled. However, they were subject to
    martial law until 1966, while other Israeli citizens were not.

    ...

    They mostly live in Arab-majority towns and cities, some of which
    are among the poorest in the country, and generally attend schools
    that are separated to some degree from those attended by Jewish
    Israelis.

    ....

    During the 2006 Lebanon War, Arab advocacy organizations
    complained that the Israeli government had invested time and
    effort to protect Jewish citizens from Hezbollah attacks, but had
    neglected Arab citizens. They pointed to a dearth of bomb shelters
    in Arab towns and villages and a lack of basic emergency
    information in Arabic. Multiple Israeli Jews viewed the Arab
    opposition to government policy and sympathy with the Lebanese as
    a sign of disloyalty.

    ...

    Since the outbreak of the Gaza war, Israel has carried out mass
    arrests and detentions of Palestinian workers and Arab citizens of
    Israel. On 5 November 2023, CNN reported that "dozens" of
    Palestinian residents and Arab Israelis were arrested in Israel
    for expressions of solidarity with the civilian population of
    Gaza, sharing Quran verses, or expressing "any support for the
    Palestinian people". Haaretz described the widespread targeting of
    Arab Israelis by Israeli security forces.[111] Referring to
    "hundreds" of interrogations, El Pa|!s reported on 11 November that
    Israel increasingly treats its Arab minority as a "potential fifth
    column".

    ...

    The phrase demographic threat (or demographic bomb) is used within
    the Israeli political sphere to describe the growth of Israel's
    Arab citizenry as constituting a threat to its maintenance of its
    status as a Jewish state with a Jewish demographic majority. In
    the northern part of Israel the percentage of the population that
    is Jewish is declining. The increasing population of Arabs within
    Israel, and the majority status they hold in two major geographic
    regions rCo the Galilee and the Triangle rCo has become a growing
    point of open political contention in recent years.
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  • From NoSpamAtAll@spamnot@not.home to can.politics,soc.culture.jewish,nz.politics on Tue Apr 7 12:13:43 2026
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    In article <10r2e4p$2m3bf$3@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    [flush neo-Nazi, Islamist propaganda]

    Q. How did Israeli Arabs react, when offered the opportunity of
    joining the Palestinian Authority?

    A. "Fuck the Palestinian Authority, we want to remain Israelis".

    <quote>

    Changing the Border, Not the People:

    The plan was for the border to be redrawn so that towns in the "Triangle" region (like Umm al-Fahm) would simply "wake up" under Palestinian Authority
    jurisdiction. Residents would stay in their original homes, but their citizenship would change from Israeli to Palestinian.

    Opposition: Israeli Palestinians overwhelmingly rejected this. They viewed
    it as a "forced transfer of citizenship" and a strategy to strip them of their rights and economic stability within Israel.

    </quote>

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to can.politics,soc.culture.jewish,nz.politics on Tue Apr 7 21:34:20 2026
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    On Tue, 7 Apr 2026 12:13:43 +0000 (UTC), NoSpamAtAll wrote:

    On Tue, 7 Apr 2026 08:10:01 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

    On Tue, 7 Apr 2026 07:26:01 +0000 (UTC), NoSpamAtAll wrote:

    That's why 25% of Israel's citizens are non-Jewish, I guess ...

    You mean the ones who are treated as second-class citizens in what is
    supposed to be their own country?

    Residents would stay in their original homes, but their citizenship
    would change from Israeli to Palestinian.

    Does Israel recognize Palestine, then?
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