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If Blueworld did carry misc.taxes.moderated then it would have
forwarded moderated posts to misc-taxes-moderated@moderators.isc.org
but since the low-activity moderated tax group is not carried, this
rule never applies.
You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have
emailed the moderator directly which requires connecting to a working
MAPI mail client, which my homegrown newsreader never thought it
would need to do.
Conclusion on the perils of writing your own home-grown newsreader...
a. The failure wasn't Blueworld's fault as it simply doesn't carry
misc.taxes.moderated, so there was no NNTP path for my post.
b. A more full-featured newsreader would likely have fallen back to
sending the article via email to the moderator, but my home-grown
setup doesn't communicate with a local mail client, so that path
wasn't available.
c. Luckily, the next server I randomly tested (paganini.bofh.team)
*does* carry misc.taxes.moderated & handles the forwarding to the
moderator via email automatically, so the post appears to have gone
through.
I'll know in a couple of days if that post went through though, but I
figured I'd write up this one lesson in the perils of writing a
newsreader.
Have any of the readers who see this written their own newsreader?
How did you handle sending to moderated newsgroups with email
fallback?
How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for
moderation?
You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have emailed
the moderator directly
Paganini *does* carry misc.taxes.moderated
How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for moderation?
You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have emailed
the moderator directly
Why ?
Why would the moderator want to receive - and put into a newsgroup - a post which you could not read the responses to ?
Paganini *does* carry misc.taxes.moderated
Oh goodie. Now all you have to do is to post in that newsgroup and see if you get permission from the moderator. That is how it works.
How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for moderation?
:-) I suggest you first try to determine if such a NORMAL newsreader does indeed offer such a fall-back (it doesn't). *and only it does* try to figure out how its implemented..
It sounds to me that you have absolutily *zero* idea how a moderated newsgroup works...
If Blueworld did carry misc.taxes.moderated then it would have
forwarded moderated posts to misc-taxes-moderated@moderators.isc.org
but since the low-activity moderated tax group is not carried, this
rule never applies.
You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have
emailed the moderator directly which requires connecting to a working
MAPI mail client, which my homegrown newsreader never thought it
would need to do.
Conclusion on the perils of writing your own home-grown newsreader...
a. The failure wasn't Blueworld's fault as it simply doesn't carry
misc.taxes.moderated, so there was no NNTP path for my post.
b. A more full-featured newsreader would likely have fallen back to
sending the article via email to the moderator, but my home-grown
setup doesn't communicate with a local mail client, so that path
wasn't available.
c. Luckily, the next server I randomly tested (paganini.bofh.team)
*does* carry misc.taxes.moderated & handles the forwarding to the
moderator via email automatically, so the post appears to have gone
through.
I'll know in a couple of days if that post went through though, but I
figured I'd write up this one lesson in the perils of writing a
newsreader.
Have any of the readers who see this written their own newsreader?
How did you handle sending to moderated newsgroups with email
fallback?
How does a NORMAL newsreader handle this fallback to email for
moderation?
If my post does not show up, I will follow your suggestion and ask Ivo
which relay handled it. Thanks for checking your mod relay.
Is there any way for a typical user like I am to get that information?
R.Wieser wrote:
You might not see this 'cuz a "real" newsreader would likely have emailed >>> the moderator directly
Why ?
Why would the moderator want to receive - and put into a newsgroup - a post >> which you could not read the responses to ?
Hi Rudy,
You know what I like about you? It's you ask questions about concepts that
I hadn't even thought of for a single moment, since I run a tight ship.
Given I care about privacy, I never use the same newsserver to read from as
I do to write to, so any given newsgroup could be on one but not the other.
But if you hadn't asked that question, I wouldn't have even thought to tell people this since I do a billion things for privacy by design like that.
* The Workflow: Instead of appearing immediately, posts to moderated groups (e.g., rec.food.recipes) are sent to a moderator. The moderator reviews them to ensure they follow the group's charter, then publishes approved messages to the Usenet server.
From the user side, how did it work?
For example, when posting, Thunderbird would automatically send an email
to the moderator list, and would find out this address automatically?
Carlos E.R. wrote:
-aFrom the user side, how did it work?
For example, when posting, Thunderbird would automatically send an
email to the moderator list, and would find out this address
automatically?
Not exactly.
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it
to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
The ng's moderators of record have their 'own' system of handling the
msg. Theoretically it could be handled by human eyeballs and hands, but
more like the mod mail has some auto-handling of its own.
If the msg is 'ok' then it gets posted to the group via having an appropriate header prepended.
On 2026-01-30 23:27, Mike Easter wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
aFrom the user side, how did it work?
For example, when posting, Thunderbird would automatically send an
email to the moderator list, and would find out this address
automatically?
Not exactly.
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it
to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is
configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
Ah. That makes more sense. Transparent, from the client point of view.
Although it means that all the news servers in the world have to be configured to do this.
Or perhaps not configured servers can simply refuse to post to moderated groups.
The ng's moderators of record have their 'own' system of handling the
msg. Theoretically it could be handled by human eyeballs and hands, but
more like the mod mail has some auto-handling of its own.
If the msg is 'ok' then it gets posted to the group via having an
appropriate header prepended.
Right.
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it
to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
Carlos E.R. wrote:
From the user side, how did it work?
For example, when posting, Thunderbird would automatically send an
email to the moderator list, and would find out this address
automatically?
Not exactly.
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails
it to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address
is configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
The ng's moderators of record have their 'own' system of handling the
msg. Theoretically it could be handled by human eyeballs and hands,
but more like the mod mail has some auto-handling of its own.
If the msg is 'ok' then it gets posted to the group via having an appropriate header prepended.
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:27:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it
to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
I wish I could remember the name of the intermediary service we used. When someone posted the moderators got an email notification and one would approve or deny the post. It streamlined the process.
It was a lot of work to strain out a few people. This wasn't the group but if you go to alt.pagan and download a couple of months worth of headers you'll meet the famous David Dalton. He has an obsession with Sarah McLachlan and is usually way off his meds. He's still going strong after
all these years, the sole poster in abandoned ngs.
I wasn't too enthusiastic about the moderation and tended to be liberal in allowing posts. Other than the odd nutter the really divisive topic was Viktor Rydgerg's theories on Norse mythology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Rydberg
On 31 Jan 2026 03:05:28 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:27:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it
to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is
configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
I wish I could remember the name of the intermediary service we used. When >> someone posted the moderators got an email notification and one would
approve or deny the post. It streamlined the process.
It was a lot of work to strain out a few people. This wasn't the group but >> if you go to alt.pagan and download a couple of months worth of headers
you'll meet the famous David Dalton. He has an obsession with Sarah
McLachlan and is usually way off his meds. He's still going strong after
all these years, the sole poster in abandoned ngs.
He appears (out of his depth) in a few other NGs. At least he's stopped wanting to find the ark of the covenant (was it?) buried under Stonehenge.
On 1/02/2026 9:07 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On 31 Jan 2026 03:05:28 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:27:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group, the news
server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news server 'auto' emails it >>> to an .isc address ie group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is
configured to email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
I wish I could remember the name of the intermediary service we used. When >> someone posted the moderators got an email notification and one would
approve or deny the post. It streamlined the process.
It was a lot of work to strain out a few people. This wasn't the group but >> if you go to alt.pagan and download a couple of months worth of headers
you'll meet the famous David Dalton. He has an obsession with Sarah
McLachlan and is usually way off his meds. He's still going strong after >> all these years, the sole poster in abandoned ngs.
He appears (out of his depth) in a few other NGs. At least he's stopped wanting to find the ark of the covenant (was it?) buried under Stonehenge.
"Stonehenge"?? I thought The Ark of The Covenant was on Mt Ararat in
Turkiye or some such!!
On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 21:22:58 +1100 Daniel70
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 1/02/2026 9:07 pm, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
On 31 Jan 2026 03:05:28 GMT rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 14:27:09 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:
Tb 'tries to' post to the ng via nntp; but in a mod group,
the news server doesn't 'just' post it; instead the news
server 'auto' emails it to an .isc address ie
group-name@moderators.isc.org. That address is configured to
email 'forward' it to the ng's moderators of record.
I wish I could remember the name of the intermediary service we
used. When someone posted the moderators got an email
notification and one would approve or deny the post. It
streamlined the process.
It was a lot of work to strain out a few people. This wasn't
the group but if you go to alt.pagan and download a couple of
months worth of headers you'll meet the famous David Dalton. He
has an obsession with Sarah McLachlan and is usually way off
his meds. He's still going strong after all these years, the
sole poster in abandoned ngs.
He appears (out of his depth) in a few other NGs. At least he's
stopped wanting to find the ark of the covenant (was it?) buried
under Stonehenge.
"Stonehenge"?? I thought The Ark of The Covenant was on Mt Ararat
in Turkiye or some such!!
You're barking up the wrong ark.
PS it's spelled 'Turkey' in English.
If you're a Turk, you need to put double dots on the last 'e' in
Turkiye, IIRC.
PS it's spelled 'Turkey' in English. If you're a Turk, you need to put
double dots on the last 'e' in Turkiye, IIRC.
On 29.01.2026 15:43 Uhr Maria Sophia wrote:
If my post does not show up, I will follow your suggestion and ask Ivo
which relay handled it. Thanks for checking your mod relay.
Is there any way for a typical user like I am to get that information?
Unless you get an error message or the post is being posted, no.
Because of SPF, most servers rewrite the sender and use their own
domain, so the original poster will not receive the bounces, but the
news server admin will (if he heads that inbox).
If the post is being approved and posted to the group, the Received:
headers are removed, so you cannot see that.
Although, other headers are sometimes kept that might indicate what
happened, e.g. the X- headers that are added by some spam filters are
often kept that can indicate (but do not need to) which relay they used.
I thought, over the past few years there had been a
swing in English Media to use "Turkiye".
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