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Hello!

INN2 uses BDB, the FreeBSD version uses db5. Is that a hard dependency
and which purpose does it serve there?
FreeBSD also provides db18, but the port is not linked to that.

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their
licensing change.
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Thus spake Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de>

INN2 uses BDB, the FreeBSD version uses db5. Is that a hard dependency
and which purpose does it serve there?
FreeBSD also provides db18, but the port is not linked to that.

BDB is only needed if you use OVDB for your overview database.
The BDB backend in INN2 has always been marked as experimental and that
was a euphemism. I used it for several years, had quite a few disasters
with it, needing a complete rebuild (took several days to complete for
about 10.000.000 articles). I finally replaced it with SQLite and
haven't had any issues ever since.

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their
licensing change.

Good riddance.
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Hi Marco,

INN2 uses BDB, the FreeBSD version uses db5.

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their
licensing change.

FWIW, a bug report for Debian has just been filed about that. The db5.3 package will be removed in the next release (forky).
https://bugs.debian.org/1119166

Time to switch to the ovsqlite overview method based on SQLite. It is
very robust!
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:58:39 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their licensing change.

interesting, I never heard of a licensing change, since, may be 10 or 11
years ago, whats your reference to the very recent change away from AGPL

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On 28.10.2025 18:04 Uhr noel wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:58:39 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their
licensing change.

interesting, I never heard of a licensing change, since, may be 10 or
11 years ago, whats your reference to the very recent change away
from AGPL

For Debian, AGPL is the problem in case a library will be used in a
package.
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 09:49:24 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

On 28.10.2025 18:04 Uhr noel wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 15:58:39 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

Other operating systems plan to remove BDB at all due to their
licensing change.

interesting, I never heard of a licensing change, since, may be 10 or
11 years ago, whats your reference to the very recent change away from
AGPL

For Debian, AGPL is the problem in case a library will be used in a
package.

oh, so its just debian, strange tho, given I was out by a year, that move
to agpl was 2013 and they have a problem only now... sums up debian I
suppose, they do like having tantrums.
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On 28.10.2025 19:40 Uhr noel wrote:

oh, so its just debian, strange tho, given I was out by a year, that
move to agpl was 2013 and they have a problem only now... sums up
debian I suppose, they do like having tantrums.

They already had the problem then and stopped shipping later versions
that were licensed under AGPL.

Now the want to remove the entire package from the distribution.
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:58:50 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

On 28.10.2025 19:40 Uhr noel wrote:

oh, so its just debian, strange tho, given I was out by a year, that
move to agpl was 2013 and they have a problem only now... sums up
debian I suppose, they do like having tantrums.

They already had the problem then and stopped shipping later versions
that were licensed under AGPL.

Now the want to remove the entire package from the distribution.

glad I fdont use debian then (well the freepbx17 box I dont count)
AFAICT, theres no real problem with AGPL, that would affect us at least,
so its just another reason for debian to whine about something, that said slackware hasnt used bdb since 4.8 IIRC in v14, was pulled from 15.0
release some 2.5 years ago, though I still need it for DNews so keep the source handy for when I upgrade news servers OS
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