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Hi all,

In case you do not already know the Old Usenet project (real-time Usenet
30 years ago) - http://olduse.net/

Here is an article posted in October 1988 that is worth reading for
history ("The Usenet Virus"):
http://article.olduse.net/2836@sugar.uu.net


P.-S.: comp.unix.wizards and comp.sys.amiga (at this top-level) no
longer exist.
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Julien |eLIE

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On 2018-11-05, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.misc, Julien |a LIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

Hi all,

In case you do not already know the Old Usenet project (real-time Usenet
30 years ago) - http://olduse.net/

Here is an article posted in October 1988 that is worth reading for
history ("The Usenet Virus"):
http://article.olduse.net/2836@sugar.uu.net

Author:
Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net

He was one of the founding forces behind Usenet II:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100224075814/http://www.usenet2.org:80/

And then he left it to rot. I understand you can reach him on Facebook,
but I don't have an account. (He *should* have used his private key
to rmgroup everything before letting the domain expire. Or transferred control to someone else. He did neither.)

Elijah
------
a bit bitter about that

Usenet II came and went before I got on line, probably. Seems like it never stood a chance. Pity it wasn't dealt a load of buckshot between the eyes
and given a proper burial. I'd still love to see something equivalent
appear, but I'd reckon the odds are between zero and none these days.

The fact that he's on Facebook is kind of funny.
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On 2018-11-06, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:

On 2018-11-05, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.misc, Julien |a LIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

Hi all,

In case you do not already know the Old Usenet project (real-time Usenet >>> 30 years ago) - http://olduse.net/

Here is an article posted in October 1988 that is worth reading for
history ("The Usenet Virus"):
http://article.olduse.net/2836@sugar.uu.net

Author:
Peter da Silva `-_-' peter@sugar.uu.net

He was one of the founding forces behind Usenet II:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100224075814/http://www.usenet2.org:80/

And then he left it to rot. I understand you can reach him on Facebook,
but I don't have an account. (He *should* have used his private key
to rmgroup everything before letting the domain expire. Or transferred
control to someone else. He did neither.)

Elijah
------
a bit bitter about that

Usenet II came and went before I got on line, probably. Seems like it never stood a chance. Pity it wasn't dealt a load of buckshot between the eyes
and given a proper burial. I'd still love to see something equivalent appear, but I'd reckon the odds are between zero and none these days.

The fact that he's on Facebook is kind of funny.

None of the Peter da Silvas I can find on FB look like the right person.
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On 2018-11-06, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

On 2018-11-05, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:

In comp.misc, Julien |a LIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> wrote:

Given that Usenet 1 (0?) is all but dead, never mind Usenet II, I think
there are bigger things to get incensed about. It's just another kind
of abandonware.

It's not dead! It's just pining for the fjords!
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:23:32 -0500, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
wrote:

Given that Usenet 1 (0?) is all but dead,

It's not dead!

Google bought Deja Vu's archives, but at some later point, anyone
could start a new group, which was retained on Google's servers. I accidentally came across some of these groups, which were very
specific, like employment related/etc.

Of course Usenet is not dead...its historical reference information,
mostly now.

The Google Groups Usenet/BBS Archive: A little known but huge chunk of historical knowledge from 1981-present day - and it's all primary
sources!

https://www.reddit.com/r/history/comments/3dsbnw/the_google_groups_usenetbbs_archive_a_little/

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On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, JAB wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 07:23:32 -0500, RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
wrote:

Given that Usenet 1 (0?) is all but dead,

It's not dead!

Google bought Deja Vu's archives, but at some later point, anyone
could start a new group, which was retained on Google's servers. I accidentally came across some of these groups, which were very
specific, like employment related/etc.

But that's always been the case. There were local hierarchies that had limited distribution (or were set that way but often propagated further), which technically don't count as Usenet. Many an ISP had local newsgroups that didn't propagate out of their system. Both use the same protocol and software, they just don't count as Usenet. It makes sense, the software
was there so why not use it for other things?

But I can remember people wanting to create new groups in the local
hierarchy, never doing much to improve the existing newsgroups and not
talking about their favorite topic in the local general newsgroup.

Usenet had to be topic-driven, because up until sometime in the nineties, tehre were few locations with enough density for discussion to be along
local lines. Maybe at a university, but not much elsewhere. Once
commercial ISPs came along, there was suddenly enough density in most
areas to have local, though defining things by topic had become dominant
by then. So until things built up locally, there wasn't much reason to
create local newsgroups around very specific topics, and in retrospect,
people went elsewhere before the local newsgroups became widely enough
used. They still exist, but nobody used them. I put a lot of time into
the local general newsgroup, and there was too much invasion by
crossposters who better fit into a more Canada wide hierarchy.

Michael
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