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Hello!

In the last big 8 management board meeting we decided to start a survey regarding control messages.

I noticed that some servers don't process them (neither rmgroup nor
newgroup) and some process them.

A small amount of server operator publish the daily usenet report, some reports include logs about PGP failures.

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control messages.
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kind regards
Marco
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Marco Moock schrieb:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control messages.

1) Modify control.ctl via control.ctl.local for hierarchies I do not
carry.

2) Import the keys from <ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/PGPKEYS> into
the GPG keyring for the news user.

3) Never have to touch that again. *

-thh

* As long as no one changes a hierarchy key - something that never
happened in the past and is still rare enough today.
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Hello!

In the last big 8 management board meeting we decided to start a survey >regarding control messages.

I noticed that some servers don't process them (neither rmgroup nor >newgroup) and some process them.

A small amount of server operator publish the daily usenet report, some >reports include logs about PGP failures.

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control >messages.

Marco, you are asking the wrong question, as always. A hierarchy
administrator has a role to play on Usenet. It is limited to recognizing
a canonical set of newsgroups and publishing checkgroups. That's it.
That is all you do.

Your role in Usenet is not affected by a News administrator who not
process your control messages or selectively processes them. As News administrators present Usenet to their users as they see fit and they,
not hierarchy administrators, literally run Usenet, it is not your
concern.

Your only area of concern, in looking over the shoulder of a News administrator, is whether he created a newsgroup that is similar to but
not the canonical group name, say with a misspelling or without tale's misicification or a *.misc group that tale never newgrouped. That
prevents communication and is the true purpose for checkgroups.

If, on the other hand, a News administrator created news.admin.B8MB-what-a-bunch-of-twerps, just ignore the haet.
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On 4/24/26 11:21 AM, Marco Moock wrote:

Hello!

In the last big 8 management board meeting we decided to start a survey regarding control messages.

I noticed that some servers don't process them (neither rmgroup nor newgroup) and some process them.

A small amount of server operator publish the daily usenet report, some reports include logs about PGP failures.

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control messages.

There was a problem with outdated PGP keys and I don't know if it was
ever dealt with (i.e you need pgp1 which might be hard to come by in
distros).

I instead use actsync to keep my list of groups up to date for now.
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Thus spake Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com>

On 4/24/26 11:21 AM, Marco Moock wrote:

Hello!
In the last big 8 management board meeting we decided to start a
survey regarding control messages.
I noticed that some servers don't process them (neither rmgroup nor
newgroup) and some process them.
A small amount of server operator publish the daily usenet report,
some reports include logs about PGP failures.
If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle
control messages.

There was a problem with outdated PGP keys and I don't know if it was
ever dealt with (i.e you need pgp1 which might be hard to come by in distros).

+1 (there is no more GnuPG1 package on Red Hat as of RHEL 10)

As this problem only affects de.* on E-S, a cron job doing

wget -q https://dana.de/checkgroups.txt -O - | docheckgroups -u

keeps the de.* hierarchy up to date.
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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> writes:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle
control messages.

We have control.ctl set up with a bunch of GPG keys we downloaded a
while back; control messages that match these are automatically
processed.

I'm afraid ones that don't get handled by the above and arrive in our
inbox (presumably due to a key migration) tend to get ignored :-/

Matthew
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Am 28.04.26 um 14:31 schrieb Matthew Vernon:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> writes:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle
control messages.

We have control.ctl set up with a bunch of GPG keys we downloaded a
while back; control messages that match these are automatically
processed.

I'm afraid ones that don't get handled by the above and arrive in our
inbox (presumably due to a key migration) tend to get ignored :-/

Is it possible to update them?

Certain hierarchies are also abandoned, especially small and local ones.
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Marco

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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

Am 28.04.26 um 14:31 schrieb Matthew Vernon:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> writes:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle
control messages.

We have control.ctl set up with a bunch of GPG keys we downloaded a
while back; control messages that match these are automatically
processed.

I'm afraid ones that don't get handled by the above and arrive in our
inbox (presumably due to a key migration) tend to get ignored :-/

Is it possible to update them?

Certain hierarchies are also abandoned, especially small and local ones.

Not local; regional.

Then the groups can remain in place per the latest newgroup or
checkgroups. There's no need to make any changes. If there is, then a
user may declare himself hierarchy administrator and issue a control
message.

Please stop looking for problems where none exist. If you are not the adninistrator of a particular hierarchy, if you never even posted to any
of its newsgroups, it is truly not a matter for you to be concerned
about. Just leave it be, Marco. This is not helpful in any way.
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026, Marco Moock wrote:

Am 28.04.26 um 14:31 schrieb Matthew Vernon:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> writes:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle
control messages.

We have control.ctl set up with a bunch of GPG keys we downloaded a
while back; control messages that match these are automatically
processed.

I'm afraid ones that don't get handled by the above and arrive in our
inbox (presumably due to a key migration) tend to get ignored :-/

Is it possible to update them?

Certain hierarchies are also abandoned, especially small and local ones.

All of which are outside the Big8 boards remit as you very well know, stop trying to concern yourself with mater that do not concern you and ones you have no say in no matter how much you think so.


It pains me to admit it, but Adam has made two posts here I completely
agree with.


Although this I think is really your "backdoor" way to trying to get news admins
to honor your culling of teh groups within the big8's remit, that many of
us do not process rmgroups, that seems to very much irritate you, Marco.

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Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control messages.

I have yet to set this up properly I'm afraid.

Cheers,

Koen
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Koen Martens <gmc@metro.cx> wrote:

Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:

If you operate a news server, please let us know how you handle control
messages.

I have yet to set this up properly I'm afraid.

Actually, it is configured correctly by default in INN I see
now, and I've got the pgp key imported, so all should be good.

Cheers,

Koen
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