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  • https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/installation/ : should it have some notes for folk using a pkgbase 14.* ? relnotes/#upgrade or relnotes/#upgrade-rc ?

    From Mark Millard@marklmi@yahoo.com to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Tue Dec 2 08:42:59 2025
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    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate. The referenced material that at at:

    https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/#upgrade

    and:

    https://www.freebsd.org/releases/15.0R/relnotes/#upgrade-rc

    Also makes no mention of how to handle starting from a
    pkgbase'd 14.* for an upgrade.

    https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase/2025-December/001138.html

    is an example of someone asking about upgrading from a
    "a basified 14.3-RELEASE-p6 system".

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  • From Marco Moock@mm@dorfdsl.de to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Tue Dec 2 17:53:48 2025
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    Am 02.12.2025 um 08:42:59 Uhr schrieb Mark Millard:

    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate. The referenced material that at at:

    Is that also unsupported in case the 14.3 system is NOT pkg-basified?

    Which is the preferred way in that situation?



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  • From Mark Millard@marklmi@yahoo.com to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Tue Dec 2 09:32:28 2025
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    Marco Moock <mm_at_dorfdsl.de> wrote on
    Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2025 16:53:48 UTC :

    Am 02.12.2025 um 08:42:59 Uhr schrieb Mark Millard:

    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate. The referenced material that at at:

    Is that also unsupported in case the 14.3 system is NOT pkg-basified?

    Which is the preferred way in that situation?

    pkgbase for 14.* was always experimental, not supported,
    as I understand. That is what makes it an odd starting
    point.

    The wording related to 14.* implicitly presumes a
    non-experimental context as stands.

    The historical way continues to work for the historical
    type of installation that did not involve pkgbase. So
    the existing wording should work fine for upgrading
    to 15.0-RELEASE from a 14.* when pkgbase is not involved
    in the context.

    At this point it is probably best to already be running
    a FreeBSD version that supports pkgbase officially
    before switching to pkgbase (if one wants to switch).
    For now that means already running 15.0-RELEASE before
    switching to pkgbase. (I ignore here: main [so: 16].)

    Such is my understanding of the status.


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  • From =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=@des@FreeBSD.org to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Wed Dec 3 15:23:42 2025
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    Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> writes:
    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate.
    That would be because it isn't.
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  • From Mark Millard@marklmi@yahoo.com to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Wed Dec 3 07:54:52 2025
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    On Dec 3, 2025, at 06:23, Dag-Erling Sm|+rgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
    Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> writes:
    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate.

    That would be because it isn't.
    I'm confused. The context was starting from a pkgbase 14.3 . But: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/usr.sbin/freebsd-update?id=cf1aba2857 freebsd-update: refuse to operate on a pkgbase system
    FreeBSD-update is not compatible with packaged base.
    releng/14.3 has the same as: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/usr.sbin/freebsd-update?h=releng/14.3&id=094a5146df
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  • From Marco Moock@mm@dorfdsl.de to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Wed Dec 3 17:10:37 2025
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    Am 03.12.2025 um 07:54:52 Uhr schrieb Mark Millard:

    On Dec 3, 2025, at 06:23, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrot=
    e:
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    Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> writes: =20
    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate. =20
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    That would be because it isn't. =20
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    I'm confused. The context was starting from a pkgbase 14.3 . But:
    =20
    https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/usr.sbin/freebsd-update?id=3Dcf1aba28=
    57
    =20
    freebsd-update: refuse to operate on a pkgbase system
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    FreeBSD-update is not compatible with packaged base.

    That is intended. If you already have a system with pkgbase, then freebsd-update will refuse operation because the packages are handled
    by pkg.

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  • From Mark Millard@marklmi@yahoo.com to muc.lists.freebsd.stable on Wed Dec 3 09:01:50 2025
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    Marco Moock <mm_at_dorfdsl.de> wrote on
    Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2025 16:10:37 UTC :
    Am 03.12.2025 um 07:54:52 Uhr schrieb Mark Millard:

    On Dec 3, 2025, at 06:23, Dag-Erling Sm|+rgrav <des@FreeBSD.org> wrote:

    Mark Millard <marklmi@yahoo.com> writes:
    As stands the instructions do not even mention freebsd-update
    being inappropriate.

    That would be because it isn't.

    I'm confused. The context was starting from a pkgbase 14.3 . But:

    https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/usr.sbin/freebsd-update?id=cf1aba2857

    freebsd-update: refuse to operate on a pkgbase system

    FreeBSD-update is not compatible with packaged base.

    That is intended. If you already have a system with pkgbase, then freebsd-update will refuse operation because the packages are handled
    by pkg.
    I know. That is why I was confused by the reply I got that indicates freebsd-update is appropriate to the context that I tried to specify.
    I was trying to report that there are no instructions for folks that experimented with pkgbase for 14.* (such as 14.3) but did not progress
    to 15.0-PRERELEASE through 15.0-RC*, not even a note to use pkgbase
    instead of the existing instructions or for dealing with the the same
    issue that PRERELEASE, ALPHA*, BETA*, and RC* for 15.0 have. Following
    the existing instructions would have such folks trying to use
    freebsd-update if they trying to use the existing documentation to
    answer their questions.
    Note: As stands, I run pkgbase main mostly and have a pkgbase stable/15
    context as well. I do not have the problem that I was reporting. I was
    trying to indicate likely future support questions on the lists
    caused by the lack of anything explicit. An example message about doing
    such an upgrade was: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase/2025-December/001141.html
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