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AppleCare+ basically more than doubles the cost of a typical iPhone.

Since we're only discussing verifiable well-known public facts, it's
commonly known by most people that AppleCare+ doubles the iPhone price.

Since the Apple religious zealots defend Apple to the death, no matter
what, using the first inane excuse they can possibly think of, take a look
at this math for a new iPhone today, that lasts for 7 years on AppleCare+.
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/04/applecare-iphone-price-increase/>

See if you can find any flaws in the math using current pricing schedules.

Using the monthly plan, which is the most common way people pay for
AppleCare+, you're essentially buying the phone more than two times.
<https://www.pocket-lint.com/applecare-iphone-price-hike/>

How much more than twice the original cost you're paying for that iPhone depends on how you manage to pay for that absurdly expensive insurance.

With monthly insurance, an iPhone costs more than twice the original cost.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,175 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 217%

With monthly "Theft and Loss" insurance, the math only gets worse.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Monthly): $1,343 ($15.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,343 (i.e., $335 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 234%

If you're clever, you pay for the first two years at a discount, then roll
into a monthly plan for the remaining five years of the iPhone lifetime.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $199
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,038 (i.e., $291 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 204%

Again, even if you're clever, it only gets worse with Theft and Loss.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $959 ($15.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,258 (i.e., $323 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 226%

As of February 2025, Apple bumped monthly rates by $0.50 for standard plans
and $1.00 for Theft and Loss. Hence, the clever path is more difficult now because Apple has removed the upfront 2-year payment option from physical stores, forcing gullible buyers into the subscription loop from day one.

There's a reason I say Apple's marketing propaganda is brilliant, as they fleece customers who gladly pay more than TWICE THE PRICE for their iPhone.

Having laid out the arithmetic based on current 2026 AppleCare+ rates and Apple's own 7-year support window, I expect Apple religious zealots to
object to the math, so, if they do, I simply ask for their calculations.

If anyone think's the math above is off, please show your work, as I don't shill for any OEM. I just want to make good assessments based on facts.

In fact, I'm happy for the math above to be corrected if anyone can find a
way to keep this device fully insured for its technical 7-year lifespan
without paying nearly double the sticker price.

Until then, the numbers suggest that Apple isn't just selling hardware;
they are directing loyal customers into a high-yield subscription model.
--
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On 2026-04-24 17:47, Maria Sophia wrote:

AppleCare+ basically more than doubles the cost of a typical iPhone.

Since we're only discussing verifiable well-known public facts, it's
commonly known by most people that AppleCare+ doubles the iPhone price.

Since the Apple religious zealots defend Apple to the death, no matter
what, using the first inane excuse they can possibly think of, take a look
at this math for a new iPhone today, that lasts for 7 years on AppleCare+.
<https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/04/applecare-iphone-price-increase/>

See if you can find any flaws in the math using current pricing schedules.

Using the monthly plan, which is the most common way people pay for AppleCare+, you're essentially buying the phone more than two times.
<https://www.pocket-lint.com/applecare-iphone-price-hike/>

How much more than twice the original cost you're paying for that iPhone depends on how you manage to pay for that absurdly expensive insurance.

With monthly insurance, an iPhone costs more than twice the original cost.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)

Lie #1.

AppleCare+ is not $13.99 per month; not for a $1,000 iPhone.

The iPhone 17 with 512GB costs $1,029 with no carrier, and for that
phone, AppleCare+ is $11.99 per month

So $1,008 for 84 months but let's move on!

c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,175 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 217%

Lie #2.

That anyone actually expects to keep a smartphone for 7 years.

Without delving into rising costs, a much more reasonable estimate of
user purchasing is a new smartphone every 3.5 years...

...in which case, that would be $1,029 x 2 for the smartphones themselves...

...plus the $1,008 for the AppleCare+ monthly coverage...

...resulting in the cost of the smartphone with AppleCare+ being 48%
more than without the extended coverage; less than 1.5 times as much.

With monthly "Theft and Loss" insurance, the math only gets worse.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Monthly): $1,343 ($15.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,343 (i.e., $335 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 234%

Lie #3.

There is no separate, higher price for "AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss".
The price I just showed INCLUDES IT.

Direct from Apple's US store:

'AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss

Cover this product [an iPhone 17 with 512GB and no carrier] only

$11.99/mo. or $119.99/yr. until cancelled

rCo Unlimited repairs for accidents like drops and spills
rCo Theft and loss coverage for up to 2 claims every 12 months
rCo 24/7 priority support from Apple experts
rCo Express Replacement Service rCo we'll ship you a replacement so you
don't have to wait for a repair'

If you're clever, you pay for the first two years at a discount, then roll into a monthly plan for the remaining five years of the iPhone lifetime.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $199
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,038 (i.e., $291 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 204%

Again, even if you're clever, it only gets worse with Theft and Loss.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $959 ($15.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,258 (i.e., $323 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 226%

As of February 2025, Apple bumped monthly rates by $0.50 for standard plans and $1.00 for Theft and Loss. Hence, the clever path is more difficult now because Apple has removed the upfront 2-year payment option from physical stores, forcing gullible buyers into the subscription loop from day one.

There's a reason I say Apple's marketing propaganda is brilliant, as they fleece customers who gladly pay more than TWICE THE PRICE for their iPhone.

Having laid out the arithmetic based on current 2026 AppleCare+ rates and Apple's own 7-year support window, I expect Apple religious zealots to
object to the math, so, if they do, I simply ask for their calculations.

If anyone think's the math above is off, please show your work, as I don't shill for any OEM. I just want to make good assessments based on facts.

Done.

In fact, I'm happy for the math above to be corrected if anyone can find a way to keep this device fully insured for its technical 7-year lifespan without paying nearly double the sticker price.

And the "no true Scotsman" fallacy is introduced!

Until then, the numbers suggest that Apple isn't just selling hardware;
they are directing loyal customers into a high-yield subscription model.

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On 2026-04-25, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-04-24 17:47, Maria Sophia wrote:

AppleCare+ basically more than doubles the cost of a typical iPhone.

Since we're only discussing verifiable well-known public facts, it's
commonly known by most people that AppleCare+ doubles the iPhone price.

Since the Apple religious zealots defend Apple to the death, no matter
what, using the first inane excuse they can possibly think of, take a look >> at this math for a new iPhone today, that lasts for 7 years on AppleCare+. >> <https://www.macrumors.com/2025/02/04/applecare-iphone-price-increase/>

See if you can find any flaws in the math using current pricing schedules. >>
Using the monthly plan, which is the most common way people pay for
AppleCare+, you're essentially buying the phone more than two times.
<https://www.pocket-lint.com/applecare-iphone-price-hike/>

How much more than twice the original cost you're paying for that iPhone
depends on how you manage to pay for that absurdly expensive insurance.

With monthly insurance, an iPhone costs more than twice the original cost. >> a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)

Lie #1.

AppleCare+ is not $13.99 per month; not for a $1,000 iPhone.

The iPhone 17 with 512GB costs $1,029 with no carrier, and for that
phone, AppleCare+ is $11.99 per month

So $1,008 for 84 months but let's move on!

c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,175 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 217%

Lie #2.

That anyone actually expects to keep a smartphone for 7 years.

Without delving into rising costs, a much more reasonable estimate of
user purchasing is a new smartphone every 3.5 years...

...in which case, that would be $1,029 x 2 for the smartphones themselves...

...plus the $1,008 for the AppleCare+ monthly coverage...

...resulting in the cost of the smartphone with AppleCare+ being 48%
more than without the extended coverage; less than 1.5 times as much.

With monthly "Theft and Loss" insurance, the math only gets worse.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Monthly): $1,343 ($15.99 x 84 months) >> c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,343 (i.e., $335 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: 234%

Lie #3.

There is no separate, higher price for "AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss".
The price I just showed INCLUDES IT.

Direct from Apple's US store:

'AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss

Cover this product [an iPhone 17 with 512GB and no carrier] only

$11.99/mo. or $119.99/yr. until cancelled

rCo Unlimited repairs for accidents like drops and spills
rCo Theft and loss coverage for up to 2 claims every 12 months
rCo 24/7 priority support from Apple experts
rCo Express Replacement Service rCo we'll ship you a replacement so you don't have to wait for a repair'

If you're clever, you pay for the first two years at a discount, then roll >> into a monthly plan for the remaining five years of the iPhone lifetime.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $199
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,038 (i.e., $291 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 204%

Again, even if you're clever, it only gets worse with Theft and Loss.
a. Initial Purchase: $1,000
b. Upfront AppleCare+ with Theft and Loss (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $959 ($15.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,258 (i.e., $323 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: 226%

As of February 2025, Apple bumped monthly rates by $0.50 for standard plans >> and $1.00 for Theft and Loss. Hence, the clever path is more difficult now >> because Apple has removed the upfront 2-year payment option from physical
stores, forcing gullible buyers into the subscription loop from day one.

There's a reason I say Apple's marketing propaganda is brilliant, as they
fleece customers who gladly pay more than TWICE THE PRICE for their iPhone. >>
Having laid out the arithmetic based on current 2026 AppleCare+ rates and
Apple's own 7-year support window, I expect Apple religious zealots to
object to the math, so, if they do, I simply ask for their calculations.

If anyone think's the math above is off, please show your work, as I don't >> shill for any OEM. I just want to make good assessments based on facts.

Done.

In fact, I'm happy for the math above to be corrected if anyone can find a >> way to keep this device fully insured for its technical 7-year lifespan
without paying nearly double the sticker price.

And the "no true Scotsman" fallacy is introduced!

Until then, the numbers suggest that Apple isn't just selling hardware;
they are directing loyal customers into a high-yield subscription model.

Also Apple is VERY liberal with AppleCare coverage. I brought my older iPhone in
to get a cracked screen replaced and it was quite expensive. The Apple Store lady
sold me an AppleCare plan of about 25% less than the cost of the screen repair OVERALL and it
was good for 2 years. And yes they repaired the screen.

Now that is good service.

It's one reason why I continue to purchase Apple iPhones and watches.
--
pothead

"Nothing rankles a Democrat elitist like seeing a former
blue collar worker rise to someone who has built their own
successful business and enjoying the fruits of their labor.
They deeply resent and disdain people like that because liberals
feel they are socially and academically superior to them
and therefore undeserving of such success."

-- Author Unknown


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On 4/24/26 9:10 PM, Alan wrote:

In fact, I'm happy for the math above to be corrected if anyone can
find a
way to keep this device fully insured for its technical 7-year lifespan
without paying nearly double the sticker price.

Until then, the numbers suggest that Apple isn't just selling hardware;
they are directing loyal customers into a high-yield subscription model.

Lie #4

Arlan presents no evidence that including claims as a cost to Apple
AppleCare+ is a "high yield subscription model". It could also be a way
to keep customers loyal to the Apple brand in that claims paid never
result in cash payments. Devices are either repaired or replaced with
like (or better) devices.
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pothead wrote:

Now that is good service.

Don't you guys even look at the crap that Alan Baker posts before
responding to his trolls? Please do not respond to Alan Baker's drivel, as
it forces the rest of us to see it.

In always defending Apple to the death, no matter what, using the first
inane excuse he could come up with, Alan Baker used a non-Pro price for AppleCare+ when we clearly are discussing a $1,000+ flagship (the Pro Max).

Plus, Alan Baker's claim that iPhones are such crap that they can't even
last a few years in use is interesting, as again, in Always defending Apple
to the death, no matter what, using the first inane excuse he can think of,
by Alan Baker claiming all iPhones are crap is not believable in the main.

Hence, all of Alan Baker's numbers are bullshit.
Please do not amplify Alan Baker's trolls.
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Gondolfo Elam wrote:

presents no evidence that including claims as a cost to Apple
AppleCare+ is a "high yield subscription model". It could also be a way
to keep customers loyal to the Apple brand in that claims paid never
result in cash payments. Devices are either repaired or replaced with
like (or better) devices.

Hi Gondolfo,

Please do not amplify Alan Baker's trolls, as it forces the rest of us to
see them. Alan Baker always defends Apple to the death, no matter what,
using the first idiotic excuse he can think of, which is what he did here.

1. Alan Baker cherry picked a non-Pro phone to calculate the cost, and,
2. Alan Baker claimed all iPhones are built like crap

Both are absurd.

They're the first ridiculous excuses Alan Baker came up with to defend
Apple to the death, no matter what.

Buying the astoundingly expensive iPhone insurance doubles the price of the iPhone.

That's just a fact.
To buy Apple's insurance is to buy the iPhone twice.

However, if you think Apple's $1000 iPhone is so badly designed that you
*need* that astoundingly expensive insurance, then at least you're backing
up Alan Baker's claim that the iPhone is built like crap.

But if the iPhone isn't built like crap, why do you need to buy it twice?
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On 2026-04-24 21:24, Maria Sophia wrote:

pothead wrote:

Now that is good service.

Don't you guys even look at the crap that Alan Baker posts before
responding to his trolls? Please do not respond to Alan Baker's drivel, as
it forces the rest of us to see it.

In always defending Apple to the death, no matter what, using the first
inane excuse he could come up with, Alan Baker used a non-Pro price for AppleCare+ when we clearly are discussing a $1,000+ flagship (the Pro Max).

The "flagship" iPhone 17 Pro Max starts...

STARTS!!!

...at $1,199. So 20% more than you based your calculations on.

Choose a $1,000 iPhone as I did...

...and the AppleCare+ ISN'T the $13.99 you claimed...

...but rather $11.99. So 15% less than you used for your calculations.

Plus, Alan Baker's claim that iPhones are such crap that they can't even
last a few years in use is interesting,

I made no such claim.

But you assumed that users are normally keeping smartphones for 7 years,
and that just isn't the case.

as again, in Always defending Apple
to the death, no matter what, using the first inane excuse he can think of, by Alan Baker claiming all iPhones are crap is not believable in the main.

Hence, all of Alan Baker's numbers are bullshit.

My numbers were all spot on.

Please do not amplify Alan Baker's trolls.

Cry harder.

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On 2026-04-24 11:29 p.m., Tom Elam wrote:

On 4/24/26 9:10 PM, Alan wrote:

In fact, I'm happy for the math above to be corrected if anyone can
find a
way to keep this device fully insured for its technical 7-year lifespan
without paying nearly double the sticker price.

Until then, the numbers suggest that Apple isn't just selling hardware;
they are directing loyal customers into a high-yield subscription model.

Lie #4

Arlan presents no evidence that including claims as a cost to Apple AppleCare+ is a "high yield subscription model". It could also be a way
to keep customers loyal to the Apple brand in that claims paid never
result in cash payments. Devices are either repaired or replaced with
like (or better) devices.

AppleCare+ is a guarantee that you will have a working piece of hardware
for as long as you have the warranty. It is such a stellar service that
you truly don't worry about having wearing out the NVMe, using your
battery or even having a coffee mug near your device while it is active. ASUS's warranty is pretty good too when I used it, but I find Apple's to
be a lot more comprehensible. That's why I was all too happy to add it
to any potential purchase I made and was _overjoyed_ to find out that I
have one until 2028 on this used MacBook.
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
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On 4/25/26 2:50 AM, Alan wrote:

Please do not amplify Alan Baker's trolls.

You are one who is trolling with exaggerated claims. Alan is just
correcting you with facts. Stop whining when your trolling is exposed.
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Tom Elam wrote:

You are one who is trolling with exaggerated claims. Alan is just
correcting you with facts. Stop whining when your trolling is exposed.

All I care about is the answer to the factual question, Tom.

The point of this thread is to provide facts showing that people pay about twice the price of a flagship iPhone to protect it using AppleCare+.

That's just a fact.
It's not a troll.

You consider it a troll perhaps because you don't *like* that fact.
But you not liking a fact doesn't make it a troll.

You also consider it a troll perhaps because you didn't *know* that fact.
But you not knowing a fact doesn't make it a troll.

The "twice" doesn't change by much no matter which flagship we choose.
Which is why I had chosen a round $1,000 USD to make the math simpler.

USA iPhone 17 model prices & AppleCare+ monthly premium
iPhone 17 (128GB): $799 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $11.99/mo
iPhone 17 Air (128GB): $999 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $13.99/mo
iPhone 17 Pro (256GB): $1,099 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $13.99/mo
iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB):$1,199 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $14.99/mo
<https://tech.yahoo.com/phones/articles/iphone-17-getting-applecare-worth-203518260.html>

USA iPhone 17 (128GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $799
b. AppleCare+ w/ Theft & Loss (Monthly): $1,007 ($11.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $1,806 (i.e., $258 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *226%*

USA iPhone 17 (128GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $799
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $229
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $719 ($11.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $1,747 (i.e., $250 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *219%*

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,174 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *218%*

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,117 (i.e., $302 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *212%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,274 (i.e., $325 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *207%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,217 (i.e., $317 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *202%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) with monthly insurance, including T&L
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,259 ($14.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,458 (i.e., $351 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *205%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $899 ($14.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,397 (i.e., $342 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *200%*

The whole point of this thread is to open the eyes of people who don't understand yet that AppleCare+ doubles the price of your iPhone TOC.

If you think the numbers are wrong, supply the corrected values.
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CrudeSausage wrote:

AppleCare+ is a guarantee that you will have a working piece of hardware
for as long as you have the warranty. It is such a stellar service that
you truly don't worry about having wearing out the NVMe, using your
battery or even having a coffee mug near your device while it is active. ASUS's warranty is pretty good too when I used it, but I find Apple's to
be a lot more comprehensible. That's why I was all too happy to add it
to any potential purchase I made and was _overjoyed_ to find out that I
have one until 2028 on this used MacBook.

Since AppleCare+ doubles the cost of the iPhone, why not just buy two
iPhones at the start, so when one breaks, you just switch to the other?
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On 2026-04-25 08:12, Maria Sophia wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

You are one who is trolling with exaggerated claims. Alan is just
correcting you with facts. Stop whining when your trolling is exposed.

All I care about is the answer to the factual question, Tom.

The point of this thread is to provide facts showing that people pay about twice the price of a flagship iPhone to protect it using AppleCare+.

That's just a fact.
It's not a troll.

You consider it a troll perhaps because you don't *like* that fact.
But you not liking a fact doesn't make it a troll.

You also consider it a troll perhaps because you didn't *know* that fact.
But you not knowing a fact doesn't make it a troll.

The "twice" doesn't change by much no matter which flagship we choose.
Which is why I had chosen a round $1,000 USD to make the math simpler.

Now let's watch all the little lies!

USA iPhone 17 model prices & AppleCare+ monthly premium
iPhone 17 (128GB): $799 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $11.99/mo

There is no 128GB configuration of the iPhone 17. It starts at 256GB

iPhone 17 Air (128GB): $999 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $13.99/mo

There is no 128GB configuration of the iPhone 17 Air. It starts at 256GB

iPhone 17 Pro (256GB): $1,099 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $13.99/mo

Hey! The liar got one right!

iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB):$1,199 AppleCare+ w/ T&L: $14.99/mo

And another!

<https://tech.yahoo.com/phones/articles/iphone-17-getting-applecare-worth-203518260.html>

USA iPhone 17 (128GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss

256GB

Why do you insist on these lies?

a. Initial Purchase: $799
b. AppleCare+ w/ Theft & Loss (Monthly): $1,007 ($11.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $1,806 (i.e., $258 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *226%*

Assuming a length of ownership that is basically twice what people
actually choose.

Hence, you should be basing your numbers on the purchase of two (2)
iPhone 17s one after the other...

...so ($1,007 + 2 * $799) / (2 * $799) ...

...equals 163% of the cost of the phones alone.

Or, you could pay yearly at $119.99 for 7 years:

(7 * $119.99 + 2 * $799) / (2 * $799)

And now it's just 153% of the cost of the phones alone.

To get not just ongoing coverage against failure, but for theft and loss
as well.

USA iPhone 17 (128GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $799
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $229

Apple doesn't currently offer that option. Another little lie!

c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $719 ($11.99 x 60 months)

d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $1,747 (i.e., $250 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *219%*

($229 + $719 + 2 * $799) / (2 * $799)

159%

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,174 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *218%*

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,117 (i.e., $302 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *212%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,274 (i.e., $325 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *207%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,217 (i.e., $317 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *202%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) with monthly insurance, including T&L
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,259 ($14.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,458 (i.e., $351 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *205%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $899 ($14.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,397 (i.e., $342 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *200%*

The whole point of this thread is to open the eyes of people who don't understand yet that AppleCare+ doubles the price of your iPhone TOC.

The whole point of this thread is to obfuscate the truth that people
don't replace phones on a 7 year cycle.

If you think the numbers are wrong, supply the corrected values.

Done for a couple of instances!
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On 2026-04-24 21:29, Maria Sophia wrote:

Gondolfo Elam wrote:

presents no evidence that including claims as a cost to Apple
AppleCare+ is a "high yield subscription model". It could also be a way
to keep customers loyal to the Apple brand in that claims paid never
result in cash payments. Devices are either repaired or replaced with
like (or better) devices.

Hi Gondolfo,

Please do not amplify Alan Baker's trolls, as it forces the rest of us to
see them. Alan Baker always defends Apple to the death, no matter what,
using the first idiotic excuse he can think of, which is what he did here.

1. Alan Baker cherry picked a non-Pro phone to calculate the cost, and,

I chose a phone that actually cost about $1,000...

...and your subject states "typical iPhone"...

...and your initial post stated "Pro" nowhere.

2. Alan Baker claimed all iPhones are built like crap

That is simply a lie.

I noted that most people seem to replace their smartphones on a schedule
about twice as fast as your calculations assumed...

...making your whole calculation worthless.

Both are absurd.

It's absurd to pick an iPhone that costs $1,000 to look at what
AppleCare+ costs for it...

...rather than picking what AppleCare+ costs for a much more expensive
iPhone and combine that with the cost of the less expensive one?

Oh, and you simply and flatly lied by claiming that AppleCare+ had an
even higher cost if you wanted theft and loss coverage, when that was
just not so.

They're the first ridiculous excuses Alan Baker came up with to defend
Apple to the death, no matter what.

Buying the astoundingly expensive iPhone insurance doubles the price of the iPhone.

Only if you make unrealistic assumptions as to how long you'll keep the iPhone.

That's just a fact.
To buy Apple's insurance is to buy the iPhone twice.

However, if you think Apple's $1000 iPhone is so badly designed that you *need* that astoundingly expensive insurance, then at least you're backing
up Alan Baker's claim that the iPhone is built like crap.

But if the iPhone isn't built like crap, why do you need to buy it twice?

False assumptions lead to false conclusions.

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On Apr 25, 2026 at 8:28:13rC>AM MST, "Maria Sophia" wrote <10simid$2sa4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:

CrudeSausage wrote:

AppleCare+ is a guarantee that you will have a working piece of hardware
for as long as you have the warranty. It is such a stellar service that
you truly don't worry about having wearing out the NVMe, using your
battery or even having a coffee mug near your device while it is active.
ASUS's warranty is pretty good too when I used it, but I find Apple's to
be a lot more comprehensible. That's why I was all too happy to add it
to any potential purchase I made and was _overjoyed_ to find out that I
have one until 2028 on this used MacBook.

Since AppleCare+ doubles the cost of the iPhone, why not just buy two
iPhones at the start, so when one breaks, you just switch to the other?

Your assumption is incorrect.
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On 2026-04-25 11:28 a.m., Maria Sophia wrote:

CrudeSausage wrote:

AppleCare+ is a guarantee that you will have a working piece of hardware
for as long as you have the warranty. It is such a stellar service that
you truly don't worry about having wearing out the NVMe, using your
battery or even having a coffee mug near your device while it is active.
ASUS's warranty is pretty good too when I used it, but I find Apple's to
be a lot more comprehensible. That's why I was all too happy to add it
to any potential purchase I made and was _overjoyed_ to find out that I
have one until 2028 on this used MacBook.

Since AppleCare+ doubles the cost of the iPhone, why not just buy two
iPhones at the start, so when one breaks, you just switch to the other?

There are twelve months to a year. If the warranty costs $12 a month,
that's $144 in a year. If I intend to hold onto the phone for four
years, that's $144 x 4 for a total of $576. That's only assuming that I actually pay for four years of warranty. My habit is to go for no more
than three, so that's 576 - 144 for a total of 432. Does $432 buy you an iPhone?
--
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M4 MacBook Air
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On 4/25/26 11:57 AM, Alan wrote:

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,174 (i.e., $310 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *218%*

USA iPhone 17 Air (128GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $999
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,117 (i.e., $302 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *212%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) with monthly insurance, including Theft & Loss
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,175 ($13.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,274 (i.e., $325 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *207%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,099
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $279
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $839 ($13.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,217 (i.e., $317 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *202%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) with monthly insurance, including T&L
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. AppleCare+ (Monthly): $1,259 ($14.99 x 84 months)
c. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,458 (i.e., $351 per year)
d. Percentage of Original Price: *205%*

USA iPhone 17 Pro Max (256GB) using the upfront+monthly method
a. Initial Purchase: $1,199
b. Upfront AppleCare+ (Years 1-2): $299
c. Monthly Renewal (Years 3-7): $899 ($14.99 x 60 months)
d. Total 7-year cost (phone + insurance): $2,397 (i.e., $342 per year)
e. Percentage of Original Price: *200%*

The whole point of this thread is to open the eyes of people who don't understand yet that AppleCare+ doubles the price of your iPhone TOC.

Let's deal with real numbers for a change. I have about $3,000 invested
in an iPhone 14 Pro, A 13" 512 GB MacBook Air and an iPad 9 with
cellular, all covered under AppleCare+.

The total AppleCare+ cost is $21/month, $252/year. For AppleCare+ cost
to equal the investment takes almost 12 years. At a minimum in 12 years
I would need multiple battery replacements. Something like every 3-5
years for the phone and longer for the Mac and iPad. So in fact the cost "breakeven" is probably more like 20 years.

Ridiculous example? Yes. Just like yours all above.

Now for my home. Value is about $500,000. My annual all-risk homeowners insurance was $1,181 this year. Calculate that one Arvin!
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Tom Elam wrote:

Let's deal with real numbers for a change. I have about $3,000 invested
in an iPhone 14 Pro, A 13" 512 GB MacBook Air and an iPad 9 with
cellular, all covered under AppleCare+.

The total AppleCare+ cost is $21/month, $252/year. For AppleCare+ cost
to equal the investment takes almost 12 years. At a minimum in 12 years
I would need multiple battery replacements. Something like every 3-5
years for the phone and longer for the Mac and iPad. So in fact the cost "breakeven" is probably more like 20 years.

Ridiculous example? Yes. Just like yours all above.

Now for my home. Value is about $500,000. My annual all-risk homeowners insurance was $1,181 this year.

Hi Gondolfo Elam,

Given I'm extremely well educated in engineering and science, I'm open to anyone bringing up any errors or omissions I may have made in this thread.

Newsgroups: Newsgroups: misc.phonmisc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re: EU standards compare Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max & Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra battery lifetime
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:39:38 -0600
Message-ID: <10slm59$1mhi$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Since these facts, explained as they are, are likely nowhere else in the Internet in one spot, religious zealots who believe only in the (admittedly brilliant) propaganda, have no adult response other than ad hominems.

Their childish taunts actually prove actual facts made an actual impact.
This is progress...

We've accomplished a lot in this thread, using published UK/EU forced
facts, which I take the liberty to summarize below for all to benefit.

Those who are not as well educated in sciences and engineering as I am
might be shocked by the results we found out, which are summarized below.

1. When we compared the Galaxy S26 Ultra to the iPhone 17 Pro Max...
a. Efficiency:
Samsung wins. It gets 55 hours out of 4.855Ah,
while Apple gets 53 hours out of 4.8Ah.
b. Capacity:
Samsung wins, though Apple has finally started closing the
historic battery-capacity gap (but only recently).
c. Durability:
Samsung wins. The 1,200 cycle rating on Samsung's 2026 chemistry
provides the Kill-Time victory despite Apple's "efficiency" claims.

2. When we compared legally promised "full-support" windows
a. iPhone 15(+), Minimum 5 years from the first supply date
b. Pixel 8(+), 7 years of Security Updates, OS Updates & Feature Drops
c. Galaxy S24(+), 7 years of Security Updates & Android OS Upgrades

3. When we compared what "support" means (including Pixel for Andy)
a. Apple drops full support the instant the next release ships
but Apple doesn't ever define what CVEs go into full support
ahead of time. So we'd have to look to see if EVERY CVE is patched.
Most likely Apple patches from 8-10 severity CVEs, but I have NOT
researched to that level of detail what level of CVE is "FULL".

b. Google actually publishes the list in the ASB that they will patch.
But Google's monthly support patches seem to slow down in later years
but the actual list of CVEs fixed remains those that are in the ASB.

c. Samsung uses the ASB + Samsung has further lists that they publish.
Their support also "slows down" as the phone ages, but it's still
inclusive of all the vulnerabilities listed in their published lists.

4. When we discussed the tangential topic of AppleCare+ specifically,
we mathematically proved that it more than doubles the price of the
iPhone over the 7-year expected lifetime of that iPhone in most cases.

While all the calculations are in this thread, we need to add the
equivalent Samsung Care+ which, unfortunately, isn't as standardized.
Subject: AppleCare+ basically more than doubles the cost of a typical iPhone.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 18:47:45 -0600
Message-ID: <10sh2vh$oqb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Is there anything else of import we should discuss to compare devices?

Like anyone who is extremely well educated in engineering & the sciences,
I'm open to correction of any mathematical calculations stated herein.
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CrudeSausage wrote:

Since AppleCare+ doubles the cost of the iPhone, why not just buy two
iPhones at the start, so when one breaks, you just switch to the other?

There are twelve months to a year. If the warranty costs $12 a month,
that's $144 in a year. If I intend to hold onto the phone for four
years, that's $144 x 4 for a total of $576. That's only assuming that I actually pay for four years of warranty. My habit is to go for no more
than three, so that's 576 - 144 for a total of 432. Does $432 buy you an iPhone?

A new USA AppleCare One bundle data plan was introduced in July of 2025.
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/07/23/applecare-one-launches-as-a-single-plan-to-cover-multiple-apple-devices>

The fact that we can buy two iPhones for the same cost as one phone plus AppleCare+ for the 7-year life of the phone notwithstanding, Apple has
another plan for multiple phones that I didn't take into account prior.

When we have 3 devices, AppleCare One has the effect of lowering the 7-year insurance overhead from ~100% of hardware value to ~50% of hardware
value, but we have to play Apple's game to follow all the required rules.

Under this 2026 bundle ($19.99/mo for 3 devices), the pro-rated insurance
cost for a single iPhone 17 Pro drops to about $6.66/mo. Over 7 years,
that's $559 instead of the $1,175 we'd otherwise pay on a standalone plan.

It doesn't change the fact that we're paying a subscription to "own" our hardware, but it does change the math for anyone already deep into Apple.

BTW, I made a minor clerical error on the base model storage which is:
iPhone 17e 256GB $599 $9.99/mo for AppleCare+ (T&L)
iPhone 17 256GB $799 $11.99/mo for AppleCare+ (T&L)
iPhone 17 Air 256GB $999 $13.99/mo for AppleCare+ (T&L)
iPhone 17 Pro 256GB $1,099 $13.99/mo for AppleCare+ (T&L)
iPhone 17 Pro Max 256GB $1,199 $14.99/mo for AppleCare+ (T&L)
<https://smartish.com/blogs/news/iphone-17-price>
<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/03/apple-introduces-iphone-17e>

BTW, a lot of people get accidentally fleeced by Apple who makes it hard to find the less expensive USA AppleCare+ options. They think Apple doesn't
offer the upfront + monthly option, but, as far as I know offhand, Apple Support document 101560 confirms we can buy 2 years upfront and then
purchase new recurring monthly coverage within 45 days of that plan
expiring. <https://support.apple.com/en-us/101560>

In addition, while we've been looking at the monthly rates, Apple's annual billing cycle effectively offers a 12 months for the price of 10 discount.

For the iPhone 17 Pro ($1,099):
a. Monthly: $13.99/mo ($167.88 per year)
b. Annual: $139.99/year
c. 7-Year Total (Annual): $979.93

What's clever about this is that, under the annual plan, the insurance
cost stays under the original price of the phone ($1,099) for the first
7 years. It doesn't double the cost of the hardware until the 8th year.

By comparison, the monthly plan ($13.99) hits that doubling threshold
in the middle of year 7.

So, while the insurance is still adding ~90% to the cost of ownership
over a 7-year span, the annual plan is technically the only way to keep
the total insurance premiums from exceeding the original sticker price
of the device within that iPhone 7-year life-of-ownership window.

Again, as always, since this information is likely nowhere on the Internet
in one place, please check for typos and thinkos as they can creep in.
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On 2026-04-26 11:54, Maria Sophia wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

Let's deal with real numbers for a change. I have about $3,000 invested
in an iPhone 14 Pro, A 13" 512 GB MacBook Air and an iPad 9 with
cellular, all covered under AppleCare+.

The total AppleCare+ cost is $21/month, $252/year. For AppleCare+ cost
to equal the investment takes almost 12 years. At a minimum in 12 years
I would need multiple battery replacements. Something like every 3-5
years for the phone and longer for the Mac and iPad. So in fact the cost
"breakeven" is probably more like 20 years.

Ridiculous example? Yes. Just like yours all above.

Now for my home. Value is about $500,000. My annual all-risk homeowners
insurance was $1,181 this year.

Hi Gondolfo Elam,

Given I'm extremely well educated in engineering and science, I'm open to anyone bringing up any errors or omissions I may have made in this thread.

Newsgroups: Newsgroups: misc.phonmisc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re: EU standards compare Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max & Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra battery lifetime
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:39:38 -0600
Message-ID: <10slm59$1mhi$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Since these facts, explained as they are, are likely nowhere else in the Internet in one spot, religious zealots who believe only in the (admittedly brilliant) propaganda, have no adult response other than ad hominems.

Their childish taunts actually prove actual facts made an actual impact.
This is progress...

We've accomplished a lot in this thread, using published UK/EU forced
facts, which I take the liberty to summarize below for all to benefit.

Those who are not as well educated in sciences and engineering as I am
might be shocked by the results we found out, which are summarized below.

1. When we compared the Galaxy S26 Ultra to the iPhone 17 Pro Max...
a. Efficiency:
Samsung wins. It gets 55 hours out of 4.855Ah,
while Apple gets 53 hours out of 4.8Ah.

In an artificial test run by a governmental body...

GSMArena's results are very different:

Galazy S26 Ultra: Active use score 16:23h

iPhone 17 Pro Max: Active use score 17:58h

b. Capacity:
Samsung wins, though Apple has finally started closing the
historic battery-capacity gap (but only recently).

Capacity is irrelevant as the run time and number of cycles depends on
BOTH the capacity and the power draw.

c. Durability:
Samsung wins. The 1,200 cycle rating on Samsung's 2026 chemistry
provides the Kill-Time victory despite Apple's "efficiency" claims.

Again: a rating from a governmental body is very artificial.

2. When we compared legally promised "full-support" windows
a. iPhone 15(+), Minimum 5 years from the first supply date
b. Pixel 8(+), 7 years of Security Updates, OS Updates & Feature Drops
c. Galaxy S24(+), 7 years of Security Updates & Android OS Upgrades

"legally" is a falsehood.
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-04-26 11:54, Maria Sophia wrote:

Tom Elam wrote:

Let's deal with real numbers for a change. I have about $3,000 invested
in an iPhone 14 Pro, A 13" 512 GB MacBook Air and an iPad 9 with
cellular, all covered under AppleCare+.

The total AppleCare+ cost is $21/month, $252/year. For AppleCare+ cost
to equal the investment takes almost 12 years. At a minimum in 12 years
I would need multiple battery replacements. Something like every 3-5
years for the phone and longer for the Mac and iPad. So in fact the cost >>> "breakeven" is probably more like 20 years.

Ridiculous example? Yes. Just like yours all above.

Now for my home. Value is about $500,000. My annual all-risk homeowners
insurance was $1,181 this year.

Hi Gondolfo Elam,

Given I'm extremely well educated in engineering and science, I'm open to
anyone bringing up any errors or omissions I may have made in this thread. >>
Newsgroups: Newsgroups:
misc.phonmisc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re: EU standards compare Apple iPhone 17 Pro Max & Samsung
Galaxy S26 Ultra battery lifetime
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2026 12:39:38 -0600
Message-ID: <10slm59$1mhi$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

Since these facts, explained as they are, are likely nowhere else in the
Internet in one spot, religious zealots who believe only in the (admittedly >> brilliant) propaganda, have no adult response other than ad hominems.

Their childish taunts actually prove actual facts made an actual impact.
This is progress...

We've accomplished a lot in this thread, using published UK/EU forced
facts, which I take the liberty to summarize below for all to benefit.

Those who are not as well educated in sciences and engineering as I am
might be shocked by the results we found out, which are summarized below.

1. When we compared the Galaxy S26 Ultra to the iPhone 17 Pro Max...
a. Efficiency:
Samsung wins. It gets 55 hours out of 4.855Ah,
while Apple gets 53 hours out of 4.8Ah.

In an artificial test run by a governmental body...

GSMArena's results are very different:

Galazy S26 Ultra: Active use score 16:23h

iPhone 17 Pro Max: Active use score 17:58h

How is that any less artificial?

b. Capacity:
Samsung wins, though Apple has finally started closing the
historic battery-capacity gap (but only recently).

Capacity is irrelevant as the run time and number of cycles depends on
BOTH the capacity and the power draw.

c. Durability:
Samsung wins. The 1,200 cycle rating on Samsung's 2026 chemistry
provides the Kill-Time victory despite Apple's "efficiency" claims.

Again: a rating from a governmental body is very artificial.

It's not the EU that defines the cycle count other than it has to be at
least 1,000 at 80%. It's up to the manufacturer to state otherwise. Samsung claimed 1700+ for the S25 series and quietly dropped it to 1,200 this year.

2. When we compared legally promised "full-support" windows
a. iPhone 15(+), Minimum 5 years from the first supply date
b. Pixel 8(+), 7 years of Security Updates, OS Updates & Feature Drops
c. Galaxy S24(+), 7 years of Security Updates & Android OS Upgrades

"legally" is a falsehood.

Correct.


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Chris wrote:

c. Durability:
Samsung wins. The 1,200 cycle rating on Samsung's 2026 chemistry
provides the Kill-Time victory despite Apple's "efficiency" claims.

Again: a rating from a governmental body is very artificial.

It's not the EU that defines the cycle count other than it has to be at
least 1,000 at 80%. It's up to the manufacturer to state otherwise. Samsung claimed 1700+ for the S25 series and quietly dropped it to 1,200 this year.

It's perhaps more evidence Apple puts crappy batteries in the iPhone...

But, to your point of OEMs inflating their marketing claims, I agree with
you especially given nobody in history has ever reproduced Apple's claims.

Even Apple couldn't reproduce their own claims in the first EU benchmarks. Apple marketing had to spin 42 pages of "excuses" for lack of efficiency.

Which is what Alan Baker is doing.
a. Alan Baker knows zero facts about Apple
b. Which means every fact is news to Alan Baker
c. So he spins a web of absurd lies to somehow make facts disappear

But I don't expect YOU to spin a web of lies to defend Apple to the death.
<https://hi-tech.ua/en/apple-iphone-17-pro-max-will-retain-its-familiar-design-how-engineers-managed-to-circumvent-eu-laws/>

Under Regulation (EU) 2023/1670, as I understand it, OEMs must either
a. Make the battery easily replaceable by the owner, or,
b. It must maintain 80% after 1,000 full charge cycles.

You are correct that Samsung "bragged" about much higher cycles.
But under the EU testing scheme, Samsung has claimed 1200 cycles.

And, the Samsung S26 Ultra is more efficient than the iPhone 17 Pro Max
which belies Apple's claim that they use crappy batteries more efficiently.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2026/02/samsung-galaxy-s26-battery-life-endurance-eu-label-leaks.html>
Samsung isn't just winning because the battery is bigger
(it's only about 1% larger); they are winning because the
Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 (built on the newest 2nm process)
is easily out-pacing the A19 Pro in "perf-per-watt" for
sustained tasks. Samsung's "Privacy Display" and LTPO 4.0
tech also draw less power at high brightness than Apple's panels.

Mathematically, if you charge your phone once a day, the Samsung battery is rated to stay "healthy" (above 80%) for roughly 3.3 years, whereas the
iPhone is rated for 2.7 years.
a. Apple 1,000 cycles / 365.25 days in a year = 3.29 years
b. Samsung 1,200 cycles / 365.25 days in a year = 3.29 years

That extra 200 cycles is a massive 6.5 month buffer for long-term owners.
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On 2026-04-27 14:45, Maria Sophia wrote:

Chris wrote:

c. Durability:
Samsung wins. The 1,200 cycle rating on Samsung's 2026 chemistry
provides the Kill-Time victory despite Apple's "efficiency" claims.

Again: a rating from a governmental body is very artificial.

It's not the EU that defines the cycle count other than it has to be at
least 1,000 at 80%. It's up to the manufacturer to state otherwise. Samsung >> claimed 1700+ for the S25 series and quietly dropped it to 1,200 this year.

It's perhaps more evidence Apple puts crappy batteries in the iPhone...

Ummmmm...nope!

But, to your point of OEMs inflating their marketing claims, I agree with
you especially given nobody in history has ever reproduced Apple's claims.

But no one else exaggerates theirs...

Even Apple couldn't reproduce their own claims in the first EU benchmarks. Apple marketing had to spin 42 pages of "excuses" for lack of efficiency.

Ummmmmm...nope!

Which is what Alan Baker is doing.
a. Alan Baker knows zero facts about Apple
b. Which means every fact is news to Alan Baker
c. So he spins a web of absurd lies to somehow make facts disappear

LOL!

But I don't expect YOU to spin a web of lies to defend Apple to the death.
<https://hi-tech.ua/en/apple-iphone-17-pro-max-will-retain-its-familiar-design-how-engineers-managed-to-circumvent-eu-laws/>

And this website that no one has ever heard about means...

...what?

Under Regulation (EU) 2023/1670, as I understand it, OEMs must either
a. Make the battery easily replaceable by the owner, or,
b. It must maintain 80% after 1,000 full charge cycles.

That does appear to be true...

...which makes it unusual for you.

You are correct that Samsung "bragged" about much higher cycles.
But under the EU testing scheme, Samsung has claimed 1200 cycles.

Note the important word: "claimed".

And, the Samsung S26 Ultra is more efficient than the iPhone 17 Pro Max
which belies Apple's claim that they use crappy batteries more efficiently.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2026/02/samsung-galaxy-s26-battery-life-endurance-eu-label-leaks.html>
Samsung isn't just winning because the battery is bigger
(it's only about 1% larger); they are winning because the
Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 (built on the newest 2nm process)
is easily out-pacing the A19 Pro in "perf-per-watt" for
sustained tasks. Samsung's "Privacy Display" and LTPO 4.0
tech also draw less power at high brightness than Apple's panels.

That link contains no information comparing the performance per watt of anything to an Apple processor.

Mathematically, if you charge your phone once a day, the Samsung battery is rated to stay "healthy" (above 80%) for roughly 3.3 years, whereas the
iPhone is rated for 2.7 years.
a. Apple 1,000 cycles / 365.25 days in a year = 3.29 years
b. Samsung 1,200 cycles / 365.25 days in a year = 3.29 years

That extra 200 cycles is a massive 6.5 month buffer for long-term owners.

Assuming the "claim" (your word) of Samsung is accurate.

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