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Disabling background "junk" consumption to make the battery last longer:

"Settings" ' "Battery". Disable apps that drain the battery the fastest;

"Settings" ' "General" ' "Content Update" ' Off. Turn off background updates;

"Privacy and Security" ' "Location Services" ' Set to "During Use";

"Settings" ' "Siri and Search" ' Turn off Siri listening;

"Settings" ' "Cellular" ' "Data Options". Switch 5G to LTE. Especially important for regions where no one has even heard of 5G;

"Settings" ' "Mail" ' "Accounts" ' "Data Download". Set mail to check every 15 minutes instead of constant updating;

"Privacy and Security" ' "Analytics and Improvements" ' Off. Disable Apple's background analytics.
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MummyChunk wrote:

to make the battery last longer:

Given the laughably puny "fun size" batteries in iPhones, the best way,
IMHO, to "extend the life" of any iPhone with those crappy batteries, is to replace the original battery with one that is of a decent capacity.

To make the point, my free phone from 2021 has a larger battery capacity
than any of the crappy batteries in any iPhone ever put on the market.

I charge the phone when it needs it, which is every few days for a few
hours, while iPhone owners are desperate for a charge every single night.

Apple is a master at making a device last only so long, but no longer.
(I'm talking here about years, due to charge cycles, not hours in a day.)
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Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:

MummyChunk wrote:

to make the battery last longer:

Given the laughably puny "fun size" batteries in iPhones, the best way,
IMHO, to "extend the life" of any iPhone with those crappy batteries, is to replace the original battery with one that is of a decent capacity.

As everyone well knows, capacity on its own is a bad measure of life. It's
all about efficiency.

To make the point, my free phone from 2021 has a larger battery capacity
than any of the crappy batteries in any iPhone ever put on the market.

False. The 17 Pro Max has a bigger battery. Also the capacity of your
current phone will be much less than when it was new.

I charge the phone when it needs it, which is every few days for a few
hours, while iPhone owners are desperate for a charge every single night.

Apple is a master at making a device last only so long, but no longer.
(I'm talking here about years, due to charge cycles, not hours in a day.)

False. You have never, ever been able to evidence that beyond stamping your feet about "chemistry". You simply want this to be true and make shit up.



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Chris wrote:

Given the laughably puny "fun size" batteries in iPhones, the best way,
IMHO, to "extend the life" of any iPhone with those crappy batteries, is to >> replace the original battery with one that is of a decent capacity.

As everyone well knows, capacity on its own is a bad measure of life. It's all about efficiency.

To make the point, my free phone from 2021 has a larger battery capacity
than any of the crappy batteries in any iPhone ever put on the market.

False. The 17 Pro Max has a bigger battery. Also the capacity of your
current phone will be much less than when it was new.

I charge the phone when it needs it, which is every few days for a few
hours, while iPhone owners are desperate for a charge every single night.

Apple is a master at making a device last only so long, but no longer.
(I'm talking here about years, due to charge cycles, not hours in a day.)

False. You have never, ever been able to evidence that beyond stamping your feet about "chemistry". You simply want this to be true and make shit up.

Hi Chris,

Regarding only the ridiculously crappy iPhone batteries...

I always agree with any logically defensible statement, since I also never
make any statements that are not logically defensible, so I agree with you.

Bear in mind I had said no iPhone ever made has a battery capacity even as
good as my ancient el-cheapo Samsung Galaxy A32-5G, but apparently, you're right. For the first time in Apple's history, "an" iPhone 17 Pro Max has a larger battery, making it the first iPhone to crack that 2021 barrier. <https://www.macobserver.com/news/what-is-iphone-17-pro-max-battery-capacity/>

However, that's only for the esim model (as you're likely well aware).
4823 mAh (Nano-SIM model)
5088 mAh (eSIM-only model)

So thank you for helping me calculate the staggering 11-year gap between
the first Android phone & iPhone to rise to the bare-minimum 5Ah metric.

11 years and 3 months, to be precise.
Which is an eternity in electronics.

In 2014, when Android manufacturers first hit the current bare-minimum 5Ah point the flagship iPhone 6 Plus crappy battery was less than 3AH capacity.

Even now, *most* of the current iPhones still have crappy batteries, Chris.
iPhone 17 - 3,692 mAh
iPhone 17 Pro - 3,988 mAh (SIM) / 4,252 mAh (eSIM)
iPhone 17 Pro Max - 4,823 mAh (SIM) / 5,088 mAh (eSIM)
iPhone Air - 3,149 mAh

iPhone 16 - 3,561 mAh
iPhone 16 Plus - 4,674 mAh
iPhone 16 Pro - 3,582 mAh
iPhone 16 Pro Max - 4,685 mAh
iPhone 16e - 4,005 mAh

Don't you ever wonder why the crappy iPhone battery is one of the biggest
money makers for Apple (in terms of replacements, insurance, & upgrades)?

Apple has the most profit-making oriented marketing in the world, Chris.

Taking a decade in electronics for only a single iPhone to begin to catch
up to Android is an eternity which shows you how important to Apple's money-making strategy it is to make iPhone owners endure crappy batteries.
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Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

Given the laughably puny "fun size" batteries in iPhones, the best way,
IMHO, to "extend the life" of any iPhone with those crappy batteries, is to >>> replace the original battery with one that is of a decent capacity.

As everyone well knows, capacity on its own is a bad measure of life. It's >> all about efficiency.

To make the point, my free phone from 2021 has a larger battery capacity >>> than any of the crappy batteries in any iPhone ever put on the market.

False. The 17 Pro Max has a bigger battery. Also the capacity of your
current phone will be much less than when it was new.

I charge the phone when it needs it, which is every few days for a few
hours, while iPhone owners are desperate for a charge every single night. >>>
Apple is a master at making a device last only so long, but no longer.
(I'm talking here about years, due to charge cycles, not hours in a day.) >>

False. You have never, ever been able to evidence that beyond stamping your >> feet about "chemistry". You simply want this to be true and make shit up.

Hi Chris,

Regarding only the ridiculously crappy iPhone batteries...

I always agree with any logically defensible statement, since I also never make any statements that are not logically defensible, so I agree with you.

Bear in mind I had said no iPhone ever made has a battery capacity even as good as my ancient el-cheapo Samsung Galaxy A32-5G, but apparently, you're right. For the first time in Apple's history, "an" iPhone 17 Pro Max has a larger battery, making it the first iPhone to crack that 2021 barrier. <https://www.macobserver.com/news/what-is-iphone-17-pro-max-battery-capacity/>

However, that's only for the esim model (as you're likely well aware).
4823 mAh (Nano-SIM model)
5088 mAh (eSIM-only model)

So thank you for helping me calculate the staggering 11-year gap between
the first Android phone & iPhone to rise to the bare-minimum 5Ah metric.

11 years and 3 months, to be precise.
Which is an eternity in electronics.

In 2014, when Android manufacturers first hit the current bare-minimum 5Ah point the flagship iPhone 6 Plus crappy battery was less than 3AH capacity.

Even now, *most* of the current iPhones still have crappy batteries, Chris.
iPhone 17 - 3,692 mAh
iPhone 17 Pro - 3,988 mAh (SIM) / 4,252 mAh (eSIM)
iPhone 17 Pro Max - 4,823 mAh (SIM) / 5,088 mAh (eSIM)
iPhone Air - 3,149 mAh

iPhone 16 - 3,561 mAh
iPhone 16 Plus - 4,674 mAh
iPhone 16 Pro - 3,582 mAh
iPhone 16 Pro Max - 4,685 mAh
iPhone 16e - 4,005 mAh

That's such a one dimensional view. We know full well that those batteries
last in an iphone just as long as larger ones in Android models. As you
keep ignoring the fact that efficiency is far more important than capacity.


Just consider two cars. One does 55mpg and the other 35 mpg. The 55mpg one
can easily have a smaller tank, yet better range than the 35mpg one.

Purely judging range by the size of the tank is dumb.

Don't you ever wonder why the crappy iPhone battery is one of the biggest money makers for Apple (in terms of replacements, insurance, & upgrades)?

Unsubstantiated claim.

Apple has the most profit-making oriented marketing in the world, Chris.

It is a business, right? Just like google and samsung. They all make
billions. That's their primary goal.

Taking a decade in electronics for only a single iPhone to begin to catch
up to Android is an eternity which shows you how important to Apple's money-making strategy it is to make iPhone owners endure crappy batteries.

There's no need to "catch-up", they're doing just fine.
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Chris wrote:

iPhone 16e - 4,005 mAh

That's such a one dimensional view. We know full well that those batteries last in an iphone just as long as larger ones in Android models. As you
keep ignoring the fact that efficiency is far more important than capacity.

Just consider two cars. One does 55mpg and the other 35 mpg. The 55mpg one can easily have a smaller tank, yet better range than the 35mpg one.

Purely judging range by the size of the tank is dumb.

Don't you ever wonder why the crappy iPhone battery is one of the biggest
money makers for Apple (in terms of replacements, insurance, & upgrades)?

Unsubstantiated claim.

Apple has the most profit-making oriented marketing in the world, Chris.

It is a business, right? Just like google and samsung. They all make billions. That's their primary goal.

Taking a decade in electronics for only a single iPhone to begin to catch
up to Android is an eternity which shows you how important to Apple's
money-making strategy it is to make iPhone owners endure crappy batteries.

There's no need to "catch-up", they're doing just fine.

Hi Chris,

You spew unsubstantiated claims about efficiency as if Apple has their own
set of the laws of Physics when, let's never forget, Apple had been touting
an efficiency for a decade that never existed, as proven by EU benchmarks.

If Apple wanted to prove their batteries last longer, they could publish:
a. full charge-cycle curves
b. degradation vs. depth-of-discharge graphs
c. thermal stress profiles
d. charge-rate behavior over time
They never do.

That omission is not accidental.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/101575>

Apple admits:
a. Batteries degrade with cycles
b. High load on a degraded battery causes voltage drops
c. iPhones throttle performance to prevent shutdowns
This is Apple confirming the underlying chemistry without ever addressing
why their batteries are smaller, cheaper, and, in a crass word, crappier.

When a company hides the data that would settle the debate, you can safely assume the real data would not flatter them, just as EU benchmarks didn't.
.
All Apple has ever supplied is a 42-page excuse for why only they, in their super secret Cupertino bunker can reproduce their own claims that nobody
else who has tried to reproduce, has ever been able to reproduce.

For years Apple lied about efficiency.
And for once, they got caught.

In sheer damage-control desperation, Apple's admitedly stellar marketing, usually succinct, had to spin a remarkably long and rambling 42-page
excuse for why nobody can reproduce their efficiency claims, saying, in
effect, only Apple can reproduce Apple's outlandish claims on efficiency.

Even Apple has to follow the laws of Physics in lithium-ion chemistry.
<https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1149/2.0411607jes>
<https://www.batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries>

A smaller battery:
a. cycles more often
b. hits 80% health sooner
c. reaches high internal resistance sooner
d. becomes voltage-unstable sooner

No amount of software optimization changes Physics, Chris.

This is why Android phones with 5AH to 6AH to even 7AH batteries routinely
last 4-5 years before hitting 80% health, while many iPhones hit 80% in 2-3 years (where the proof is in the millions of iPhone battery replacements
every single year). (So much for the environment to dispose of.)

It's a smart business decision, Chris, that Apple makes.
There is a strategic reason Apple puts crappy batteries in the iPhone.

By capping capacity at the bare minimum for daily use, Apple guarantees a hardware-level expiration date. Since the battery is the only component
with a predictable "shelf life," keeping it small ensures the user will
face a $100 repair or a $1,000 upgrade within 2-3 years.

Bear in mind, my 2021 5AH battery is still going strong in 2026.
It's not because Samsung is "more efficient".
It's simply because the battery isn't crappy.
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Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:

Chris wrote:

iPhone 16e - 4,005 mAh

That's such a one dimensional view. We know full well that those batteries >> last in an iphone just as long as larger ones in Android models. As you
keep ignoring the fact that efficiency is far more important than capacity. >>

Just consider two cars. One does 55mpg and the other 35 mpg. The 55mpg one >> can easily have a smaller tank, yet better range than the 35mpg one.

Purely judging range by the size of the tank is dumb.

Why don't you respond to this? If tank size was the only thing that
mattered no one would be buying Audi A1s.

Don't you ever wonder why the crappy iPhone battery is one of the biggest >>> money makers for Apple (in terms of replacements, insurance, & upgrades)? >>

Unsubstantiated claim.

Tacit acknowledgment that you lied.

Let me help you. Where, out of the $416bn in full year revenue, is the
"crappy battery" one of Apple's "biggest money makers"? https://www.sankeyart.com/sankeys/public/149306/

Apple has the most profit-making oriented marketing in the world, Chris.

It is a business, right? Just like google and samsung. They all make
billions. That's their primary goal.

Taking a decade in electronics for only a single iPhone to begin to catch >>> up to Android is an eternity which shows you how important to Apple's
money-making strategy it is to make iPhone owners endure crappy batteries. >>

There's no need to "catch-up", they're doing just fine.

Hi Chris,

You spew unsubstantiated claims about efficiency

Projection. You have no argument.

as if Apple has their own
set of the laws of Physics when,

There you go stamping your feet. As you well know there are no separate
laws of physics. Just your narrow mindedness.

let's never forget, Apple had been touting
an efficiency for a decade that never existed,

I've shown you several times this was purely an EPA declaration about the iphone *CHARGERS*. It has nothing to do with their *batteries*.

as proven by EU benchmarks.

I have published an analysis of the benchmarks which show that efficiency
is the defining feature of battery performance across hundreds of phone
models. You persistently refuse to acknowledge it. I recently updated it
here.
https://rpubs.com/ithinkiam/1415197

You're being wilfully ignorant and dogmatic.

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