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Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...
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On Sep 1, 2026 at 9:30:53rC>PM EDT, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

<https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2021-07-01>

He predicted that you would provide links that don't work?

429 Too Many Requests.

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

You have no idea what "truth" is. And since Dilbert WAS fiction, what exactly was your point? Assuming you had one.

BTW, are you still denying that Apple everything runs on UNIX?
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 02:15:44 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

On Sep 1, 2026 at 9:30:53rC>PM EDT, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

You have no idea what "truth" is. And since Dilbert WAS fiction,
what exactly was your point?

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that an
idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

BTW, are you still denying that Apple everything runs on UNIX?

I have no idea about what that attempt at a sentence is supposed to
mean.

Assuming it means what I think it means, IrCOve given examples of rCLUnixrCY stuff that wonrCOt run on macOS elsewhere.
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On Sep 1, 2026 at 7:57:52rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <11783bg$2bobr$6@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 02:15:44 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

On Sep 1, 2026 at 9:30:53rC>PM EDT, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >> wrote:

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

You have no idea what "truth" is. And since Dilbert WAS fiction,
what exactly was your point?

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that an
idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

BTW, are you still denying that Apple everything runs on UNIX?

I have no idea about what that attempt at a sentence is supposed to
mean.

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

Assuming it means what I think it means, IrCOve given examples of rCLUnixrCY stuff that wonrCOt run on macOS elsewhere.

You WROTE some things that do not work on macOS. And now you want a cookie.
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On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.
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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

I should have said Unix. Like Linux is. Fair enough.
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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 02:15:44 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

On Sep 1, 2026 at 9:30:53rC>PM EDT, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >> wrote:

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

You have no idea what "truth" is. And since Dilbert WAS fiction,
what exactly was your point?

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that an
idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

So then you in fact had no point at all. And you rCLprovedrCY your alleged point with links that donrCOt work. Got it. Great job.

BTW, are you still denying that Apple everything runs on UNIX?

I have no idea about what that attempt at a sentence is supposed to
mean.

rCLAttempt at a sentencerCY? Is English not your first language? It is a perfectly valid sentence.

Assuming it means what I think it means, IrCOve given examples of rCLUnixrCY stuff that wonrCOt run on macOS elsewhere.

So? What is that supposed to prove? One can find rCLLinux stuffrCY that wonrCOt run on all Linux distros too.



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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

And BTW, on the original iPhone it was called rCLOS XrCY. The iOS name came later.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know, modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

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On Sep 2, 2026 at 12:13:16rC>PM MST, "Nick Charles" wrote <pcydnXzXt8LR6AX3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

And BTW, on the original iPhone it was called rCLOS XrCY. The iOS name came later.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know, modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get it.
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On Sep 1, 2026 at 7:57:52rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <11783bg$2bobr$6@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 02:15:44 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

On Sep 1, 2026 at 9:30:53rC>PM EDT, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid> >> wrote:

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

You have no idea what "truth" is. And since Dilbert WAS fiction,
what exactly was your point?

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that an
idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

What company do you think serves both its customers and shareholders better? I really do not care about the shareholder side EXCEPT of course a company that does that well is likely to stick around... and if it does the first well that is a benefit.

BTW, are you still denying that Apple everything runs on UNIX?

I have no idea about what that attempt at a sentence is supposed to
mean.

Assuming it means what I think it means, IrCOve given examples of rCLUnixrCY stuff that wonrCOt run on macOS elsewhere.

Linux is not a certified UNIX... which does not matter to him. But when it comes to Apple products it suddenly does.

He is just whining.
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Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 12:13:16rC>PM MST, "Nick Charles" wrote <pcydnXzXt8LR6AX3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

And BTW, on the original iPhone it was called rCLOS XrCY. The iOS name came
later.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know,
modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get it.

No one else gets it either.

He also constantly changes his story AND conveniently snips out context
that he does not like. Such as the fact that his links do not work.

He is a master of dodging questions.

Again, we might as well be talking about pizza toppings. Who gives a shit?


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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:13:16 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

But they are not rCLUNIXrCY.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know,
modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

No, not modular. You canrCOt take the UI from one and put it on another, because the UI is an inextricable part of the OS kernel. Not like
rCLUNIXrCY.
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:11:40 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that
an idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

So then you in fact had no point at all.

Is it routine for companies to behave like self-parodies in your world?

ItrCOs not in mine.
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On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:38:27rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117a50j$35q9q$3@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:11:40 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

That truth is stranger than fiction. In this context, it means that
an idea that originated as parody, in a story about a chronically
dysfunctional company, has been taken up by an actual real-life
company, which really isnrCOt dysfunctional at all and not resembling
the fictional company in any form, no way.

So then you in fact had no point at all.

Is it routine for companies to behave like self-parodies in your world?

ItrCOs not in mine.

Self-parodies?

I think that is you.
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On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:36:47rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117a4tf$35q9q$2@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:13:16 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

But they are not rCLUNIXrCY.

Neither is Linux. So what? Sometimes you care. Sometimes you do not. Depends
on your trolling angle of the moment.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know,
modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

No, not modular. You canrCOt take the UI from one and put it on another, because the UI is an inextricable part of the OS kernel. Not like
rCLUNIXrCY.

What makes you think the UI is tied that way to the kernel?
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On Sep 2, 2026 at 1:14:35rC>PM MST, "Nick Charles" wrote <ZsWdnfl-b-Q2HgX3nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 12:13:16rC>PM MST, "Nick Charles" wrote
<pcydnXzXt8LR6AX3nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@supernews.com>:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

And BTW, on the original iPhone it was called rCLOS XrCY. The iOS name came
later.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You know,
modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT modular?

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get it.

No one else gets it either.

He also constantly changes his story AND conveniently snips out context
that he does not like. Such as the fact that his links do not work.

Yes. He snips a LOT. I asked him about some macOS usability features and how I would get that on Linux.

He ran.

He is a master of dodging questions.

Again, we might as well be talking about pizza toppings. Who gives a shit?

Exactly.
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On 02 Sep 2026 19:46:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get
it.

Not just rCLpeoplerCY, but rCLApplerCY. Not complaining, merely pointing out how it takes some of the shine off the apple, as it were ...
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On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 20:14:35 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

He is a master of dodging questions.

Seems you have been trying to dodge my point about Apple copying, in
complete seriousness, an idea which was originally proposed as a
humorous example of the sort of thing a dysfunctional company would
come up with, when it has run out of ideas.
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On Sep 2, 2026 at 5:49:33rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117ag6t$393ko$4@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 19:46:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get
it.

Not just rCLpeoplerCY, but rCLApplerCY.

Why engage in gate keeping over who uses open source?

Not complaining, merely pointing out
how it takes some of the shine off the apple, as it were ...

How do you figure? To whom? I was going to say I do not care... but now quite: I am happy they use open source.
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On 03 Sep 2026 01:33:40 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 5:49:33rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117ag6t$393ko$4@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 19:46:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get
it.

Not just rCLpeoplerCY, but rCLApplerCY.

Why engage in gate keeping over who uses open source?

No-one can rCLgatekeeprCY over open source. ThatrCOs pretty much by
definition.

Not complaining, merely pointing out how it takes some of the shine
off the apple, as it were ...

How do you figure?

The fact that it shows Apple has run out of ideas, and now has to copy wholesale from the open-source world.

To whom?

To anybody who cares enough to respond. Those who donrCOt care, donrCOt
feel the need to respond.
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On 02 Sep 2026 22:42:29 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:36:47rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117a4tf$35q9q$2@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:13:16 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is
UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest.

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

But they are not rCLUNIXrCY.

Neither is Linux. So what?

It is the Apple fans making a big deal out of the fact that Apple gets
to call itself rCLUNIXrCY. And under quite dubious pretences, as I have
pointed out elsewhere.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You
know, modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT
modular?

No, not modular. You canrCOt take the UI from one and put it on
another, because the UI is an inextricable part of the OS kernel.
Not like rCLUNIXrCY.

What makes you think the UI is tied that way to the kernel?

Because of the fact that you cannot separate it out.
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On 2026-09-01 18:30, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

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Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

Honestly:

Who the hell cares?

My MacBook Air is NEVER off.

It goes to sleep when I'm not using it, and so when I want to use it,
it's instantly available.

A Mac Mini draws something on the order of 4-6 watts when asleep.

So if left asleep for an entire year, the machine will use about 52.5
kW-hr of electricity.

In the most expensive jurisdiction that will cost you about 7.5-o per day.

Why would you ever actually turn it off?
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On Sep 3, 2026 at 1:54:16rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117cmpo$1e7a$5@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 22:42:29 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 2:36:47rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<117a4tf$35q9q$2@dont-email.me>:

On Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:13:16 +0000, Nick Charles wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On 02 Sep 2026 04:01:16 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

macOS. iOS. iPadOS. WatchOS. Etc. All on Darwin... which is
UNIX.

I think the rCLUNIXrCY trademark only applies to macOS, not the rest. >>>>

But iOS is a fork of MacOS. iPadOS is a fork of iOS.

But they are not rCLUNIXrCY.

Neither is Linux. So what?

It is the Apple fans making a big deal out of the fact that Apple gets
to call itself rCLUNIXrCY. And under quite dubious pretences, as I have pointed out elsewhere.

You, and only you, are the one making a big deal out of it. But you also say the term now has no real meaning to you. In short: you have no actual point.

I happen to like that Apple moved to have something that gave me what I
wanted:

<http://goo.gl/0wHM> Jul 18 1995 <3uh4b8$be3@news.nevada.edu>
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if DOS were a combo of UNIX and Mac it would be cool. I
just wish we had something that combined the two. In theory
that is the way both UNIX and Mac are growing
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<http://goo.gl/EDip> Jul 19 1995 <3ujt0s$535@news.nevada.edu>
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But UNIX does have some advantages over the Mac... a CLI
would be a great addition to the Mac. I would say that
between Mac and UNIX you have the best operating systems
around.
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<http://goo.gl/vrLf> Aug 10 1995 <40d96e$7ke@news.nevada.edu>
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The Mac is not the end all in computer technology. Where it
fails, UNIX excels. Between the two, there is almost no task
that computers would be used for that can not be done. And
one or the other will beat the competition in almost every
area.
-----

In that last one I spoke of piping commands in a GUI. With Automator / Shortcuts, Apple does now have this to SOME extent. Would like to see that grow. They also have some of that with "Shortcuts" on iOS.

Anyway, I wanted this LONG before macOS came along... and am happy Apple moved there. I am also happy to see UNIX/Linux move toward better GUIs. Both are
good in my view. I still prefer the macOS GUI for most things, and am fine
with Linux tending to come with more CLI tools and even having a speed advantage there. No ego-hit for me. Unlike you my self worth is not tied to
any system, so again unlike you, I do not feel the insecurities you share. It is interesting how macOS clearly makes you feel deeply uncomfortable with yourself.

They are all running the same OS. Just with different UIs. You
know, modular. Do you still claim that ApplerCOs Unix is NOT
modular?

No, not modular. You canrCOt take the UI from one and put it on
another, because the UI is an inextricable part of the OS kernel.
Not like rCLUNIXrCY.

What makes you think the UI is tied that way to the kernel?

Because of the fact that you cannot separate it out.

So just based on your own ignorance and not any actual evidence. Thanks.

I will note you have repeatedly snipped my questions about Linux. How can I
get these features on Linux?

* Proxy icons
* A Media Browser
* Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
* PDF Services
* A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
* A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
* Application services
* Renaming, moving, and duplicating from within programs
* QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
* Saved status indicators
* A visual versioning system (allowing easy copy/paste from earlier versions)
* Consistent print dialogs
* Consistent save and open dialogs
* Consistent common dialog names, placements, and hot keys
* Path popup from title bar
* Recent items list that works with moved / renamed files
* Integrated dictation services
* Integrated text-to-voice services
* Core Image / graphics filters
* System wide auto-save
* Data Detectors
* Continuity / Camera integration
* System-level biometrics / keychain integration
* System wide grammar and spelling
* Universal Clipboard & Cross-Device Handoff
* Universal Control (Single mouse on multiple Macs / iPads)
* Live Text & Visual Look Up
* Native Menu Bar Search
* AppleScript / OSA (Open Scripting Architecture)

My guess: your insecurities will push you to not even think about it... you might find where macOS does things better and that makes you feel bad about
not just the OSs but yourself. You will snip and run instead of thinking about tech.
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On Sep 3, 2026 at 1:52:17rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117cmm0$1e7a$4@dont-email.me>:

On 03 Sep 2026 01:33:40 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 5:49:33rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<117ag6t$393ko$4@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 19:46:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get
it.

Not just rCLpeoplerCY, but rCLApplerCY.

Why engage in gate keeping over who uses open source?

No-one can rCLgatekeeprCY over open source. ThatrCOs pretty much by definition.

Agreed... but you expressed a desire to gatekeep, or at least frustration with people not staying in these arbitrary walls you create and then frustrate yourself with. It shows you do not really understand what open source is
about.

Not complaining, merely pointing out how it takes some of the shine
off the apple, as it were ...

How do you figure?

The fact that it shows Apple has run out of ideas, and now has to copy wholesale from the open-source world.

How do you figure that? I do not see it at all.

To whom?

To anybody who cares enough to respond. Those who donrCOt care, donrCOt
feel the need to respond.

Who do you think Apple is losing its shine to -- other than you? And if you really think there is some issue with what Apple is doing why not focus on
that and not just whine about gatekeeping even you say cannot be done (and perhaps would even agree should not be done).

You go on and on and on and never really get to a point... other than you have a deeply irrational hatred of all things Apple tied to your own challenges and insecurities about tying yourself to an OS and getting you value from it.
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Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 3, 2026 at 1:54:16rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117cmpo$1e7a$5@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 22:42:29 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

My guess: your insecurities will push you to not even think about
it... you might find where macOS does things better and that makes
you feel bad about not just the OSs but yourself. You will snip and
run instead of thinking about tech.

Have you ever considered undergoing psychotherapy?
Your posts indicate that there is something very wrong with your
cranium.
In layman's terms, you are sick in the head.
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On Sep 3, 2026 at 5:06:04rC>PM MST, ""Greg Kettleman"" wrote <xn0puca824dz9zt000@paganini.bofh.team>:

Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 3, 2026 at 1:54:16rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
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On 02 Sep 2026 22:42:29 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

My guess: your insecurities will push you to not even think about
it... you might find where macOS does things better and that makes
you feel bad about not just the OSs but yourself. You will snip and
run instead of thinking about tech.

You ignored this to troll.

Have you ever considered undergoing psychotherapy?
Your posts indicate that there is something very wrong with your
cranium.
In layman's terms, you are sick in the head.

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On 03 Sep 2026 22:43:02 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

Unlike you my self worth is not tied to any system, so again unlike
you, I do not feel the insecurities you share. It is interesting how
macOS clearly makes you feel deeply uncomfortable with yourself.

Tip from those of us who were on the Internet (and Usenet) from the
early days: if you have to resort to personal attacks, thatrCOs a sign
yourCOve run out of rational arguments.
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On Sep 3, 2026 at 10:54:07rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote <117dmdv$br4t$1@dont-email.me>:

On 03 Sep 2026 22:43:02 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

Unlike you my self worth is not tied to any system, so again unlike
you, I do not feel the insecurities you share. It is interesting how
macOS clearly makes you feel deeply uncomfortable with yourself.

Tip from those of us who were on the Internet (and Usenet) from the
early days: if you have to resort to personal attacks, thatrCOs a sign yourCOve run out of rational arguments.

I am making an observation. That's it. Free of emotion. It is simply a fact
you demonstrate deep insecurities with your bizarre and often contradictory attacks against macOS where you never really make a point.

There are plenty of places to look at the pros and cons of the different systems. That could be interesting. Especially if the more user-focused parts of the systems I would love to see it. But you... you have been crying for a long time about how Apple uses open source, as if that is bad. It is not. You have no real point... other than maybe you like that Linux has native containers and you find it curious that Linux is also used in containers for macOS. OK. And? You never get to the and part. You jump to emotion-filled conclusions and put down other systems... making meaningless attacks. As you note, that shows you have run out of rational arguments.

As far as me, I offer rational arguments. You snip and run. I like Linux for being free (as in no cost) and open. A clear benefit. Love it. And it is efficient in terms of running commands, especially in the CLI.

I like macOS for its ease of use and added choices for task completion. Some
of the tools / features I admire:

* Proxy icons
* A Media Browser
* Full screen programs integrating with virtual desktops
* PDF Services
* A system wide color selector which allows for add-ons
* A system wide font manager where you can define sets and more
* Application services
* Renaming, moving, and duplicating from within programs
* QuickLook (and its integration with so many programs)
* Saved status indicators
* A visual versioning system (allowing easy copy/paste from earlier versions)
* Consistent print dialogs
* Consistent save and open dialogs
* Consistent common dialog names, placements, and hot keys
* Path popup from title bar
* Recent items list that works with moved / renamed files
* Integrated dictation services
* Integrated text-to-voice services
* Core Image / graphics filters
* System wide auto-save
* Data Detectors
* Continuity / Camera integration
* System-level biometrics / keychain integration
* System wide grammar and spelling
* Universal Clipboard & Cross-Device Handoff
* Universal Control (Single mouse on multiple Macs / iPads)
* Live Text & Visual Look Up
* Native Menu Bar Search
* AppleScript / OSA (Open Scripting Architecture)

Some of these might exist (or equivalents) on Linux. Most do not (and some are not fully realized on macOS). But overall these add up to a fairly good advantage on macOS. One I enjoy and benefit from.

Does not mean Linux (or Windows) is bad. Does not mean I will attack or mock them. I just happen to appreciate those features for the benefits to productivity, efficiency, and error-reduction that they offer.

I bet you respond with an emotional snip and run. You tie your self worth to Linux. Speaking of where other systems have benefits, even in CSMA, is somehow outside your comfort zone.
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On 2026-09-03 4:52 p.m., Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On 03 Sep 2026 01:33:40 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

On Sep 2, 2026 at 5:49:33rC>PM MST, "Lawrence D-|Oliveiro" wrote
<117ag6t$393ko$4@dont-email.me>:

On 02 Sep 2026 19:46:20 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

His big complaint seems to be people use open source. I do not get
it.

Not just rCLpeoplerCY, but rCLApplerCY.

Why engage in gate keeping over who uses open source?

No-one can rCLgatekeeprCY over open source. ThatrCOs pretty much by definition.

Not complaining, merely pointing out how it takes some of the shine
off the apple, as it were ...

How do you figure?

The fact that it shows Apple has run out of ideas, and now has to copy wholesale from the open-source world.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, is it not?
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John 14:6
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On 2026-09-03 5:43 p.m., Alan wrote:

On 2026-09-01 18:30, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

<https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/2021-07-01>

Truth really is stranger than fiction, isnrCOt it ...

Honestly:

Who the hell cares?

My MacBook Air is NEVER off.

Same. I hate having to put the password to boot, and I can just use the reliable fingerprint sensor instead by letting it sleep. Unlike PC
laptops, I notice that the machine doesn't drain _at all_ if it sleeps.
The stupidity of Modern Standby is foreign to Apple, so their hardware
does exactly what you expect it to do when you close the lid: sleep.

It goes to sleep when I'm not using it, and so when I want to use it,
it's instantly available.

A Mac Mini draws something on the order of 4-6 watts when asleep.

So if left asleep for an entire year, the machine will use about 52.5
kW-hr of electricity.

In the most expensive jurisdiction that will cost you about 7.5-o per day.

Why would you ever actually turn it off?

Honestly, the Mac is pretty much the only piece of hardware I've ever
owned that makes me feel stupid for wanting to shut it down. It's _that_ reliable.
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John 14:6
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