On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. A >>>>>> not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want to
claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my control. >>>>
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is: ridiculously
close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points,
it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes as
"exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on October
8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that the year you
lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even on
performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much better
than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
On 2026-09-01 07:23, Tom Elam wrote:
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what
they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is
that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much better
than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all the
distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. A >>>>>> not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want to
claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my control. >>>>
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is: ridiculously
close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points,
it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes as
"exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on October
8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that the year you
lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of
race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and Floer.
If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where
you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from racing
for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. A >>>>>>> not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want to >>>>>> claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my control. >>>>>
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is: ridiculously
close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points,
it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes
as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over McColl. >>>
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on October
8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that the year
you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even on
performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates and points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and admit a mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a small margin
and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few races no
points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so races out of
about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3 years and none
since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as any of
these three?
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of
race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and Floer. >>>>> If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where
you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF was
during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from racing
for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not explaining
HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often that not. Or why
you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave McKay came back full time in 2023.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and eliteYou're making my point, Liarboy.
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all the
distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of >>>>>> race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and
Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where
you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not explaining
HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often that not. Or why
you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave McKay came back
full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the death
of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being only
one of them.
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points, >>>>> it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes
as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates and
points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and admit a
mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few races
no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so races out
of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3 years and
none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as any
of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
On 9/10/26 6:04 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own >>>>>>> inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship. >>>>>> The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where >>>>>> Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan >>>>>> Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an >>>>>> entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation
points, it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes >>>>>> as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time >>>>> off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the >>>>> races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates
and points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and
admit a mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few
races no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so
races out of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3
years and none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as
any of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
You are the one who set the goalposts at your best year ever, by a long shot. You do need to look at the longer run.
I have a new moniker for you - Alan Fakerboy
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of >>>>>>> race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and
Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where >>>>> you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often that
not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave McKay
came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to win
a season crown?
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack >>>>>>>> of race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and >>>>>>>> Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is >>>>>>> claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most >>>>>>> certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many
where you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often
that not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave
McKay came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced
for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to
win a season crown?
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare to
be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll gloss
over that)
...and over the course of entire season racing head to head, we
completed over 4 hours of races (4h 17:37.825 for me to be precise)...
...within 0.16% of each other.
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
:-)
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack >>>>>>>>> of race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and >>>>>>>>> Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is >>>>>>>> claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy. >>>>>>>>
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most >>>>>>>> certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many
where you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in >>>>>> fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF >>>>>> was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often
that not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and
Dave McKay came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite >>>>> driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do
not show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced
for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to
win a season crown?
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...and over the course of entire season racing head to head, we
completed over 4 hours of races (4h 17:37.825 for me to be precise)...
...within 0.16% of each other.
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
:-)
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
There were 16 races you both ran
Dave placed ahead of Fakerboy in 11
Dave outright won 10 of 16 races
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Fakerboy was so close in season points only because Dave DNS for the
first race date.
That is not all by chance. Dave was a much better driver than you in the 2019, and all prior seasons.
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points, >>>>> it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes
as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates and
points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and admit a
mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few races
no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so races out
of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3 years and
none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as any
of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
On 9/22/26 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time
that your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell the
complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
Irrelevant, because it still wasn't Alan who made the "extraordinary"
driver claim:-a that claim is 100% on you, Tom Elam.
What's painfully obvious is that you created a high pedestal for him
just so you can knock it down.
What's fake begins & ends with the disingenuously set up pedestal.
-hh
On 2026-09-01 12:28, Alan wrote:
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over
more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all
the distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
Or is there another reason you replied to every post I made in this
thread to you...
...except this one?
On 2026-09-01 07:23, Tom Elam wrote:
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what
they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is
that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much better
than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all the
distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
On 9/1/26 3:28 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-01 07:23, Tom Elam wrote:
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-
standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what
they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is
that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much
better than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over
more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all
the distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
You a faking a ranking by cherry-picking a single statistic in a single year. That is why you are now Alan Fakerboy. I'm looking a more results statistics over several years and finding you are far from Dave McKay
and even further back from Floer and McColl.
Based on your single season criteria Erle Archer, who won the 2022 FF trophy, is exceptional. Not. In that year he placed ahead of you in 3
races and you won only 3 of the 8 races run despite some historically
weak competition. Maybe he is a better driver than Fakerboy based on
these results?
On 9/10/26 6:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-01 12:28, Alan wrote:
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over
more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all
the distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
Or is there another reason you replied to every post I made in this
thread to you...
...except this one?
I'm busy working around the house and flying. This forum gets looked
only about weekly now. With you not posting anything interesting I have better uses for my time.
On 9/10/26 6:04 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own >>>>>>> inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship. >>>>>> The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where >>>>>> Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan >>>>>> Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an >>>>>> entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation
points, it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes >>>>>> as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time >>>>> off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the >>>>> races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates
and points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and
admit a mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few
races no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so
races out of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3
years and none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as
any of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
They are just nicer people than you. They have real trophies on their shelves. You get a participation trophy. Well, not even that any more.
You even stopped participating.
On 9/22/26 11:24 AM, -hh wrote:
On 9/22/26 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time
that your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell
the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
Irrelevant, because it still wasn't Alan who made the "extraordinary"
driver claim:-a that claim is 100% on you, Tom Elam.
What's painfully obvious is that you created a high pedestal for him
just so you can knock it down.
What's fake begins & ends with the disingenuously set up pedestal.
-hh
Not true, Alan is claiming to be the equal to McColl, Floer and McKay.
He is lying.
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two outHow was my "poor driving" to blame for a rookie driver making an
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
On 9/22/26 11:24 AM, -hh wrote:
On 9/22/26 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time
that your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell
the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
Irrelevant, because it still wasn't Alan who made the "extraordinary"
driver claim:-a that claim is 100% on you, Tom Elam.
What's painfully obvious is that you created a high pedestal for him
just so you can knock it down.
What's fake begins & ends with the disingenuously set up pedestal.
-hh
Not true, Alan is claiming to be the equal to McColl, Floer and McKay.
He is lying.
On 2026-09-27 15:42, pothead wrote:
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's >>>> poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is >>> not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving
and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High
School.
Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a
stretch.
Alan races cars.
So what?
He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
That road racing a car requires more continuous focus that flying a
light plane.
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving
and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High School. Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a stretch. Alan races cars.
So what?
On 9/27/2026 6:56 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-27 15:42, pothead wrote:
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's >>>>> poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of
11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving >>>> and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out >>>> you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even >>>> less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High
School.
Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a
stretch.
Alan races cars.
So what?
He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
That road racing a car requires more continuous focus that flying a
light plane.
As an observer, I'd be more intrigued if this Tom fellow had anything of *his own* to submit, rather than tearing you down with boring
statistical spin.-a It sounds to me like Tom is all talk and no action.
On 9/27/26 13:41, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/22/26 11:24 AM, -hh wrote:
On 9/22/26 09:29, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you
declare to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you >>>>> claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time
that your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell
the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
Irrelevant, because it still wasn't Alan who made the "extraordinary"
driver claim:-a that claim is 100% on you, Tom Elam.
What's painfully obvious is that you created a high pedestal for him
just so you can knock it down.
What's fake begins & ends with the disingenuously set up pedestal.
-hh
Not true, Alan is claiming to be the equal to McColl, Floer and McKay.
He is lying.
He did?-a Got cite?
And don't neglect to make sure that it explicitly includes the term of "extraordinary" that you're using.
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