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https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment
to making the Windows 11 experience significantly better. Memory
optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints from users, and
looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM
supply, consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops
within an acceptable budget."


I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB. Works
fine. This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.
--
Joel W. Crump

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On Sat, 8/1/2026 9:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has
provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment to making the Windows 11
experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints
from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM supply,
consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops within an acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB.-a Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Even 256MB is enough for compositing that the OSes use.
4GB is an over-the-top gamer setting -- it isn't enough
for "real games", but most of the time it's just
wasted in other situations.

At one time, the iGPU had a "static" quantity and
a "dynamic" quantity, like "up to 1536MB" for dynamic.
But then the hardware people went nuts, and started
doing 4096MB static. And for most of the day, it doesn't
come close to using all of that. Even running the AI on the
other machine, the NVidia GPU tab didn't go over 2GB VRAM used.

If it's not bothering you, you can just leave it that way.
If you ever need a bit more RAM for some reason, you can
adjust it that day.

Paul
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On 8/2/2026 2:53 AM, Paul wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has
provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment to making the Windows 11
experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints
from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM supply,
consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops within an acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB.-a Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Even 256MB is enough for compositing that the OSes use.
4GB is an over-the-top gamer setting -- it isn't enough
for "real games", but most of the time it's just
wasted in other situations.

At one time, the iGPU had a "static" quantity and
a "dynamic" quantity, like "up to 1536MB" for dynamic.
But then the hardware people went nuts, and started
doing 4096MB static. And for most of the day, it doesn't
come close to using all of that. Even running the AI on the
other machine, the NVidia GPU tab didn't go over 2GB VRAM used.

If it's not bothering you, you can just leave it that way.
If you ever need a bit more RAM for some reason, you can
adjust it that day.

Thanks, I will check into that. Maybe I could use less for GPU, not
that I've had a problem with it as it is.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 8/2/2026 2:59 AM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/2/2026 2:53 AM, Paul wrote:

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB.
Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Thanks, I will check into that.-a Maybe I could use less for GPU, not
that I've had a problem with it as it is.

Copilot convinced me not to change it. I haven't had any trouble using
it as it is.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 2026-08-02 2:53 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Sat, 8/1/2026 9:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has
provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment to making the Windows 11
experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints
from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM supply,
consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops within an acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB.-a Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Even 256MB is enough for compositing that the OSes use.
4GB is an over-the-top gamer setting -- it isn't enough
for "real games", but most of the time it's just
wasted in other situations.

At one time, the iGPU had a "static" quantity and
a "dynamic" quantity, like "up to 1536MB" for dynamic.
But then the hardware people went nuts, and started
doing 4096MB static. And for most of the day, it doesn't
come close to using all of that. Even running the AI on the
other machine, the NVidia GPU tab didn't go over 2GB VRAM used.

If it's not bothering you, you can just leave it that way.
If you ever need a bit more RAM for some reason, you can
adjust it that day.

How sad that we now need 256MB for the operating system to do as much as
a system with 2MB RAM total could do in the 1990s. Of course, back then
you couldn't move windows with the contents of that window showing while
you moved it (you could only see the border), but it still got the job
done.
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
Allah is Satan
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On Sun, 8/2/2026 8:13 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-02 2:53 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Sat, 8/1/2026 9:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has
-a provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment to making the Windows 11
-a experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints
-a from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM supply,
-a consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops within an acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB.-a Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Even 256MB is enough for compositing that the OSes use.
4GB is an over-the-top gamer setting -- it isn't enough
for "real games", but most of the time it's just
wasted in other situations.

At one time, the iGPU had a "static" quantity and
a "dynamic" quantity, like "up to 1536MB" for dynamic.
But then the hardware people went nuts, and started
doing 4096MB static. And for most of the day, it doesn't
come close to using all of that. Even running the AI on the
other machine, the NVidia GPU tab didn't go over 2GB VRAM used.

If it's not bothering you, you can just leave it that way.
If you ever need a bit more RAM for some reason, you can
adjust it that day.

How sad that we now need 256MB for the operating system to do as much as a system with 2MB RAM total could do in the 1990s. Of course, back then you couldn't move windows with the contents of that window showing while you moved it (you could only see the border), but it still got the job done.

Compositing is a common feature on the different ecosystems.
Hardly anyone wants to do exposure-redraws when compositing
handles a number of those cases for free.

128MB might be enough under a lot of circumstances, but
your BIOS may not offer a setting that low and 256MB is
the next offering. This can also be tied into the granularity
of how address decoding works on Intel. For PCI/PCIe bus decodes,
the block size for that was 256MB chunks (256MB per detected bus).
And that would be an example of a reason why the BIOS might offer 256MB.
I've forgotten the fancy explanation for that. If the
BIOS allowed you to set the iGPU to 128MB, you might
just discover the other ("saved") 128MB was inaccessible
or something.

Paul
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On Aug 2, 2026 at 8:13:34rC>AM EDT, "CrudeSausage" <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2026-08-02 2:53 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Sat, 8/1/2026 9:17 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan
Davuluri, has
provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment to making the >>> Windows 11
experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the >>> biggest complaints
from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk >>> of the RAM supply,
consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops within an >>> acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB. Works fine.
This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

The iGPU setting has an "Auto" behavior as
well as a "Manual" setting in the BIOS and you
can adjust that.

The 4GB mine was set to, was too high, and I turned
it down.

Even 256MB is enough for compositing that the OSes use.
4GB is an over-the-top gamer setting -- it isn't enough
for "real games", but most of the time it's just
wasted in other situations.

At one time, the iGPU had a "static" quantity and
a "dynamic" quantity, like "up to 1536MB" for dynamic.
But then the hardware people went nuts, and started
doing 4096MB static. And for most of the day, it doesn't
come close to using all of that. Even running the AI on the
other machine, the NVidia GPU tab didn't go over 2GB VRAM used.

If it's not bothering you, you can just leave it that way.
If you ever need a bit more RAM for some reason, you can
adjust it that day.

How sad that we now need 256MB for the operating system to do as much as
a system with 2MB RAM total could do in the 1990s. Of course, back then
you couldn't move windows with the contents of that window showing while
you moved it (you could only see the border), but it still got the job
done.

Window borders while moving windows is still an option. The default now is to show windows contents while moving.

To change it is the same screen it has been for 25 years, but it gets harder
to find with each new version of Windows. Settings, System, About (at the bottom of the list), Advanced System Settings, Advanced tab, Performance Settings. There are many options here to enable/disable. Near the bottom is "Show window contents while dragging". It is checked by default.

Nearly all of the options on this screen are checked unless you are running a very old system.
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On Aug 1, 2026 at 9:17:24rC>PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump"" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment
to making the Windows 11 experience significantly better. Memory
optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints from users, and
looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM
supply, consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops
within an acceptable budget."

Not to mention that the Mac Neo made 8GB fashionable again. Good luck to Microsoft getting Windows 11 usable in 8GB.

As always, wherever Apple goes MS tries to follow.
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On Sun, 8/2/2026 12:14 PM, Nick Charles wrote:

On Aug 1, 2026 at 9:17:24rC>PM EDT, ""Joel W. Crump"" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On MicrosoftrCOs website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan
Davuluri, has provided confirmation related to the companyrCOs commitment
to making the Windows 11 experience significantly better. Memory
optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints from users, and
looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM
supply, consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops
within an acceptable budget."

Not to mention that the Mac Neo made 8GB fashionable again. Good luck to Microsoft getting Windows 11 usable in 8GB.

As always, wherever Apple goes MS tries to follow.

The availability issue for system RAM, sinks all boats,
and everyone is bailing their boat at the moment.

The lack of RAM, has turned this into "a battle to see who
goes out of business first". A recent Tomshardware, claims
RAM availability will drop by 70% in 2027, so we will have
to wait and see what the blow-back from this is.

Also, when announcements like this (dimensional savings), the project
is not always a success. Microsoft had, on multiple occasions,
pointed out that it would be making versions of Windows that
would run on smaller and smaller eMMC chips. Windows, practically,
really needed 64GB storage, in order to support Version Upgrades
of the OS. Yet, on at least one occasion, they claimed to be
working on an OS version that would fit into a 16GB eMMC, which
just isn't possible for more than a day or two. These are the
kinds of promises, which did not deliver. You could not keep
your music collection on the machine, when the C: was already
filled to 15.9GB :-) Fortunately, larger eMMC started
becoming available at the time. At least one flash supplier
claims that next year, they will stop making flash chips
with a single silicon die inside, as all the flash they
ship will be stacked-die versions (eight dies max). The
price "will also be stacked".

The forces of distortion, will help decide which ecosystem
survives while the others fold. The flip phone market has
been turned on its head (no more cheap flip phones). Maybe
just smartphones will survive, but sales will be impacted.
I caught sight of a web page yesterday, claiming if you
wanted to buy a smartphone from a particular provider,
the price was $3K. Which is really going to attract those
people who can't even manage to pay the rent any more.

Apple has some plan to lease Mac Studio (as they can't sell
them at the moment, with no RAM for it), it will be
interesting to see what awe-inspiring monthly fee this will be.

It's hardly a time for advocacy, when you could easily
be kicked right out of markets due to scarcity. The bubble
can't burst soon enough.

Paul
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Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-8gb-ram-optimization-microsoft-plans/

"On Microsoft?s website, the President of Windows and Devices, Pavan Davuluri, has provided confirmation related to the company?s commitment
to making the Windows 11 experience significantly better. Memory optimization was likely one of the biggest complaints from users, and looking at how AI customers have gobbled up a major chunk of the RAM
supply, consumers only have the liberty to upgrade to 8GB RAM laptops
within an acceptable budget."

I have 16 GB but it's shared with the GPU, so really about 12 GB. Works fine. This could be a good thing, though, to be sure.

This GPU eats 4GB thing might be Mini-PC related:

My (HP) laptop uses only 496MB for the GPU, which gives 15.3GB in the
Memory section of the Performance tab of Task Manager.

But my wife's (Beelink) Mini-PC uses indeed 4GB for the GPU, leaving
12GB in the Memory section.

If I can be bothered, I might have a look at its BIOS settings
(Thanks, Paul!).
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