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I bought my eldest grandson (now 10) a Microbit a christmas or so ago. My daughter tells me he has just started to take an interest in it and he
will be staying with us over part of the forthcoming half term holiday.

Obviously this is something I want to encourage him in, but I have no clue whatsoever about the language, and I've not done any programming since I
did a bit in BBC basic on a BBC micro many, many, years ago. I believe something called Scratch is also available, but, as I understand Python is available to run under RISC OS, that seems the way to go.

Are there any Python experts here, can someone recommend a suitable book,
like the old books available for BBC basic, to get me started.
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In article <5bb2f088fdSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

I bought my eldest grandson (now 10) a Microbit a christmas or so ago. My daughter tells me he has just started to take an interest in it and he
will be staying with us over part of the forthcoming half term holiday.

Obviously this is something I want to encourage him in, but I have no clue whatsoever about the language, and I've not done any programming since I
did a bit in BBC basic on a BBC micro many, many, years ago. I believe something called Scratch is also available, but, as I understand Python is available to run under RISC OS, that seems the way to go.

Are there any Python experts here, can someone recommend a suitable book, like the old books available for BBC basic, to get me started.

Also where to find it.

!Packman gives information on it and a long URL to find it at Risc OS
open, however, this gives a 404.
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In message <5bb2f3501bSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

In article <5bb2f088fdSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

I bought my eldest grandson (now 10) a Microbit a christmas or so ago. My
daughter tells me he has just started to take an interest in it and he
will be staying with us over part of the forthcoming half term holiday.

Obviously this is something I want to encourage him in, but I have no clue >> whatsoever about the language, and I've not done any programming since I
did a bit in BBC basic on a BBC micro many, many, years ago. I believe
something called Scratch is also available, but, as I understand Python is >> available to run under RISC OS, that seems the way to go.

Are there any Python experts here, can someone recommend a suitable book,
like the old books available for BBC basic, to get me started.

Also where to find it.

!Packman gives information on it and a long URL to find it at Risc OS
open, however, this gives a 404.

One possibility:-

Programming the Raspberry Pi
Getting Started with Python

By Simon Monk
Pub. by McGraw Hill
ISBN 978-1-25-958740-5
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In article <52b8f4b25b.John@jrn.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
John Norris <jrn@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

!Packman gives information on it and a long URL to find it at Risc OS
open, however, this gives a 404.

One possibility:-

Programming the Raspberry Pi
Getting Started with Python

By Simon Monk
Pub. by McGraw Hill
ISBN 978-1-25-958740-5

Thank you for that clue.

Many moons ago, when the Pi first came out, I purchased two books,
"Raspberry Pi user guide", by Eben Upton, and "Raspberry PI projects", by Andrew Robinson and mike Cook. I've just dug them out and both have
chapters on Python. I have also ordered a copy of "Automate the boring
stuff with Python", Al Sweigart, which is supposed to be a beginners book
on programming.

However, I'm still having issues with the program itself. I finally
managed to locate three different packages at:

https://packages.riscosopen.org/thirdparty/DevelopmentDetails.html#Python-38any

I subsequently discovered that there is already a copy installed on my FOURTress in a folder called "Programming", however, neither that, nor the
pip download, which is supposed to have no dependencies, will actually
run. Both complain about not being able to find:

ShardLibs:lib.ld-riscos/so/1

Which is really helpful!

I discovered a thread on ROOL discussing this missing component, in
relation to Lua, but the thread quickly diverts onto discussing Iris and doesn't say where this can be downloaded from and installed.

Why doesn't the pip download, which supposed not to have any dependencies, include it, because it clearly does have this dependancy.
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In message <5bb336e4d5Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

In article <52b8f4b25b.John@jrn.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
John Norris <jrn@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

!Packman gives information on it and a long URL to find it at Risc OS
open, however, this gives a 404.

One possibility:-

Programming the Raspberry Pi
Getting Started with Python

By Simon Monk
Pub. by McGraw Hill
ISBN 978-1-25-958740-5

Thank you for that clue.

Many moons ago, when the Pi first came out, I purchased two books,
"Raspberry Pi user guide", by Eben Upton, and "Raspberry PI projects", by Andrew Robinson and mike Cook. I've just dug them out and both have
chapters on Python. I have also ordered a copy of "Automate the boring
stuff with Python", Al Sweigart, which is supposed to be a beginners book
on programming.

However, I'm still having issues with the program itself. I finally
managed to locate three different packages at:

https://packages.riscosopen.org/thirdparty/DevelopmentDetails.html#Python- 38any

I subsequently discovered that there is already a copy installed on my FOURTress in a folder called "Programming", however, neither that, nor the pip download, which is supposed to have no dependencies, will actually
run. Both complain about not being able to find:

ShardLibs:lib.ld-riscos/so/1

I assume you have SharedLibs installed?
If you are using Iris there may be problems and you need to relaunch !SharedLis after quitting !Iris.

Which is really helpful!

I discovered a thread on ROOL discussing this missing component, in
relation to Lua, but the thread quickly diverts onto discussing Iris and doesn't say where this can be downloaded from and installed.

Why doesn't the pip download, which supposed not to have any dependencies, include it, because it clearly does have this dependancy.

Pip works here...

Also:
https://www.bakehousecyber.co.uk/PYGWEB/index.html
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In article <dabb64b35b.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

In message <5bb336e4d5Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

In article <52b8f4b25b.John@jrn.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
John Norris <jrn@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:

!Packman gives information on it and a long URL to find it at Risc OS
open, however, this gives a 404.

One possibility:-

Programming the Raspberry Pi
Getting Started with Python

By Simon Monk
Pub. by McGraw Hill
ISBN 978-1-25-958740-5

Thank you for that clue.

Many moons ago, when the Pi first came out, I purchased two books, "Raspberry Pi user guide", by Eben Upton, and "Raspberry PI projects", by Andrew Robinson and mike Cook. I've just dug them out and both have chapters on Python. I have also ordered a copy of "Automate the boring stuff with Python", Al Sweigart, which is supposed to be a beginners book on programming.

However, I'm still having issues with the program itself. I finally
managed to locate three different packages at:

https://packages.riscosopen.org/thirdparty/DevelopmentDetails.html#Python- 38any

I subsequently discovered that there is already a copy installed on my FOURTress in a folder called "Programming", however, neither that, nor the pip download, which is supposed to have no dependencies, will actually
run. Both complain about not being able to find:

ShardLibs:lib.ld-riscos/so/1

I assume you have SharedLibs installed?
If you are using Iris there may be problems and you need to relaunch !SharedLis after quitting !Iris.

Yes, Iris does seem to have been the cause of that issue, but, after a CTRL-BREAK, it threw up another error.

I have listed that in full in a post in comp.sys.acorn.apps, but briefly:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Fatal Python error: init_fs_encoding: failed to get the Python codec of
the filesystem encoding
Python runtime state: core initialized
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'encodings'

Current thread 0x00299d08 (most recent call first):

<no Python frame>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Pip works here...

Also:
https://www.bakehousecyber.co.uk/PYGWEB/index.html

Thank you for that link, it looks really useful.

Stuart
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In article <dabb64b35b.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:


<Big snip>

I assume you have SharedLibs installed? If you are using Iris there may
be problems and you need to relaunch !SharedLis after quitting !Iris.

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with Iris
and !SharedLibs?
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On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

In article <dabb64b35b.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

<Big snip>

I assume you have SharedLibs installed? If you are using Iris there may
be problems and you need to relaunch !SharedLis after quitting !Iris.

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with Iris
and !SharedLibs?

It rewrites SharedLibs$Path to point to a version inside !Iris instead
of the version in !Boot.Resources.
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In article <31b7ecb35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

In article <dabb64b35b.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

<Big snip>

I assume you have SharedLibs installed? If you are using Iris there
may be problems and you need to relaunch !SharedLis after quitting
!Iris.

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with
Iris and !SharedLibs?

It rewrites SharedLibs$Path to point to a version inside !Iris instead
of the version in !Boot.Resources.

Ah1 Thanks. Is that solvable? Can I just remove the Iris copy?
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On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

In article <31b7ecb35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

[snip]

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with
Iris and !SharedLibs?

It rewrites SharedLibs$Path to point to a version inside !Iris instead
of the version in !Boot.Resources.

Ah1 Thanks. Is that solvable? Can I just remove the Iris copy?

I assume there is some reason why Iris wants to ensure that only that
specific version gets used. :-(

I wrote an Obey file to create a joint SharedLibs$Path with both copies
of !SharedLibs on it, but while this allows Lua to run after attempts at
using Iris, I seem to remember that it's not a complete solution in
terms of cohabitation between Iris and other applications.
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Flee at once, all is discovered.
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In message <f931f0b35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

In article <31b7ecb35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

[snip]

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with
Iris and !SharedLibs?

It rewrites SharedLibs$Path to point to a version inside !Iris instead
of the version in !Boot.Resources.

Ah1 Thanks. Is that solvable? Can I just remove the Iris copy?

I assume there is some reason why Iris wants to ensure that only that specific version gets used. :-(

Thanks Harriet

I wrote an Obey file to create a joint SharedLibs$Path with both copies
of !SharedLibs on it, but while this allows Lua to run after attempts at using Iris, I seem to remember that it's not a complete solution in
terms of cohabitation between Iris and other applications.

I don't know if it's the same method, I open !Boot.resources and I click
on !SharedLibs and Python works again.

Just tested with a taskobey:
filer_run <BootResources$Dir>.!SharedLibs

Python doesn't complain anymore... and works. It's Iris' turn, you just
have to restart it.
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In message <f931f0b35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

In article <31b7ecb35b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 22 Oct 2024 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

[snip]

Slightly off piste but can anyone kindly explain what's wrong with
Iris and !SharedLibs?

It rewrites SharedLibs$Path to point to a version inside !Iris instead
of the version in !Boot.Resources.

Ah1 Thanks. Is that solvable? Can I just remove the Iris copy?

I assume there is some reason why Iris wants to ensure that only that specific version gets used. :-(

IIRC of the code in the version of !SharedLibs within Iris and technically beta and thus not in the more formal version of !SharedLibs within !Boot .Resources, hence why they are currently kept separate.
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