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Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5b2192a6aeSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:

I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know
what happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way
back in the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have
up in the attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for
the Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.

Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement,
they produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called Xara.

Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara. Corel, who
as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got Xara
back and did some more development work on it.

They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is appreciated in Pro design circles.

Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?

Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
Artworks. But left after awhile.

"a while" being 18 years. ;-) I stopped working for Xara two months ago.

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
while.

Martin
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On Fri, 22 Mar 24 18:30:04 UTC
Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5b2192a6aeSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

In article <5b217aa73adave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

In article <20240111214138.3e8cd141@devuan>,
Folderol <general@musically.me.uk> wrote:

I don't know what made me think about this, but does anyone know
what happened to all the people working at Computer Concepts way
back in the BBC B days? I had Wordwise and and probably still have
up in the attic! I remember they went on to produce Impression for
the Archimedes, but then rather seemed to drop out of sight.

Long time ago now, but IIRC. At the end of their RISC OS engagement,
they produced a graphics app for the Windows PC side of things, called >> > > Xara.

Then they sold the rights to Corel so it became Corel Xara. Corel, who >> > > as usual didn't do much with it, and after a few years CC got Xara
back and did some more development work on it.

They are still at Gaddesden Place, and the Xara app I believe is
appreciated in Pro design circles.

Didn't Martin Wurthner work for them?

Yes he worked on Xara for sometime since it was based initially off
Artworks. But left after awhile.

"a while" being 18 years. ;-) I stopped working for Xara two months ago.

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a >reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
while.

Martin

Good to hear from you. Would the reason you stopped be retirement by any chance?
(well into retirement myself)
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On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent
years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me down yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer a free two-week trial.
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In article <f13adf455b.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me down
yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer a free
two-week trial.

I agree, I've been using nin for many, many years and they are very
reliable.

My second fiddle in the news department is...

http://news.eternal-september.org

Which is free, but needs a registration, and on the whole resonably
reliable.


Dave
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In article <5b4609c5f3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk>
wrote:

In article <f13adf455b.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett
<news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 22 Mar, Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in
recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

http://news.individual.net - 10 Euros a year and has never let me
down yet. They are based at Freie Universitat, Berlin, and offer
a free two-week trial.

I agree, I've been using nin for many, many years and they are very
reliable.

Excellent service - never had any issues (hoping I'm not tempting
providence) - consistently reliable and at a price that hasn't changed
in years. If signing-up via RISC OS then a Javascript browser like
Iris will be necessary.

Richard

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In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
while.

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its
members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies, independend of operating system and processor architecture.

It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
we have computers everywhere today.

I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
often an expection. It is in the way I like.

A.
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In article <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a while.

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies, independend of operating system and processor architecture.

It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
we have computers everywhere today.

I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
often an expection. It is in the way I like.

I agree with you sentiments entirely. I can do things so much more
quickly and efficiently with RIS OS.
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In message <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

In article <mpro.sarhtx002e66s7oko.spamtrap@mw-software.com>,
Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

Sorry about jumping in so late, I found it increasingly hard to find a
reliable news server in recent years, so I gave up on news for quite a
while.

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its members and which is publishing a printed magazine (here in Germany with
the head line 'Datenblatt'), too, and whose aim is also to teach and
train their members (and non-members) how to use all these technologies, independend of operating system and processor architecture.

It is unbelievable how weak is knowledge of people in that field where
we have computers everywhere today.

I'm using RISC OS for more then 30 years now and I will stick to it.
Under RISC OS you cannot do all and everything today, especially
belonging the web stuff, but you can do a lot often in a more simple and transparent way and because of this you can learn there a lot of basics.

Today almost everything is so complicated and akwarded. RISC OS is here
often an expection. It is in the way I like.

A.

I also agree with you Alexander. I seem to have forgotten more than most people know about computers these days. Education seems to be about using
the basic functions of Word/Excel, with little Knowledge about the
workings. Perhaps we were lucky growing up with BBCs, Archimedes et al,
where we could learn. I also miss the likes of Beebug/Risc User which
helped you learn about the machines.

As to modern machines, most Windows stuff spends 90% of it's life
continually updating installing stuff. Whereas RISC OS you turn the
machine on knowing you can get on with the task in hand.

With Iris, I can now do a lot more web based stuff than in the past.

Kind regards
John
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In message <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for its members and which is publishing a printed magazine

Of course you are allowed to have dreams ... ;-) however meanwhile the
trouble starts if running a public email server. AFAIR if you should dare to
do so, you have to take into account the requirements of secret service(s)
:-(. If you are refusing to do so you will got a lot of trouble. Ok Germanys prisons are still having a "good reputation" compared to other countries but
I must say that I am personally not seeing any need to take such an
"occasion" ... even you might have a lot of time for club administration ...

Times changed during the last 30 years in this case unfortunately.

Thomas Milius
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In article <3d0029675b.Thomas@tms_netz.vodafonemail.de>,
Thomas Milius <Thomas-Milius@vodafonemail.de> wrote:

In message <5b66f17a09bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

My dream is a computer club (or foundation?) which is running a news
server, an email server, a file server, a web server and so on for
its members and which is publishing a printed magazine

Of course you are allowed to have dreams ... ;-) however meanwhile the trouble starts if running a public email server. AFAIR if you should
dare to do so, you have to take into account the requirements of
secret service(s) :-(.

The TLS / SSL is here (email) only mindfull for secure login. If there
are laws, a club can surely take care of it and train or teach people in
such things. I don't see the problem.

If you are refusing to do so you will got a lot of trouble. Ok
Germanys prisons are still having a "good reputation" compared to
other countries but I must say that I am personally not seeing any
need to take such an "occasion" ... even you might have a lot of time
for club administration ...

The task for such a club may not be only running any server but _also_,
and this have to be the MAIN TASK!, train their club members and other
people in dealing with the provided services. How to deal with emails,
for example, because people using these service today but often have no
clue about it.

A.
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In article <6f4f23675b.john@user.orpheusmail.co.uk>,
J Peachey <john@jpeachey.co.uk> wrote:

With Iris, I can now do a lot more web based stuff than in the past.

The web isn't fast and slim and in the way RISC OS is. It is often a
bumptious monster and digital overkill, a complicated chaos like Windows
is. It is not effective and in the simplest way it could be so why using
it?

A.
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In article <5b6a0f9d1cbavariasound@chiemgau-net.de>,
Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:

In article <3d0029675b.Thomas@tms_netz.vodafonemail.de>,
Thomas Milius <Thomas-Milius@vodafonemail.de> wrote:

If you are refusing to do so you will got a lot of trouble. Ok
Germanys prisons are still having a "good reputation" compared to
other countries but I must say that I am personally not seeing any
need to take such an "occasion" ... even you might have a lot of time
for club administration ...

The task for such a club may not be only running any server but _also_,
and this have to be the MAIN TASK!, train their club members and other
people in dealing with the provided services. How to deal with emails,
for example, because people using these service today but often have no
clue about it.

I found the Bnrgernetzverband (www.buerger.net) but it seams to be
quite inactive and also I didn't find any information about their
activities oder just a printed magazine from them to order nor the
services they offer.

People have to understand that using Internet is not enough. The problem
begins with the keyboard - most people here cannot type blind with ten
fingers - but they should use computers in office and at home! So a
starting point may be a shorthand and typewriting club. Typewriting ist something you can do without any problems on RISC OS. I'm using RISC OS
a lot to do it (typing and creating textes). There is a huge world
beyond the web and what you can do with RISC OS. Especially the text
editors are very STRONG (!Zap and !StrongEd).

A.
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