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Sigh!

Viewing some PDF files on RISC OS recently I discovered I have two PDF
file viewers installed.

"About this program" shows Identical Authors.

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if anyone can
assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

?

Thanks
Dave
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In message <5c8a7f13f6dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Sigh!

Viewing some PDF files on RISC OS recently I discovered I have two PDF
file viewers installed.

"About this program" shows Identical Authors.

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if anyone can assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting it and updating it and running different developments!

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) updated by Colin Granville http://pdf.iconbar.com/

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) is compiled by it appears Chris
Gransden and available via both !Packman and direct from http://www.riscos.info/packages/DocumentDetails.html#PDF
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On 2025-12-13, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if anyone can assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

Possibly because that's what happens to Open Source projects when
multiple people decide to build updates to the source code without communicating with those that went before them?

Maybe the versions forked at 3.00.1.19, or maybe the version numbering
through to 3.02.1.24 didn't get recorded as well as it might?

You would have to diff the sources for the two versions to work it out, I suspect.
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In article <48998d8a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c8a7f13f6dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Sigh!

Viewing some PDF files on RISC OS recently I discovered I have
two PDF file viewers installed.

"About this program" shows Identical Authors.

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if
anyone can assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version
than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting
it and updating it and running different developments!

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) updated by Colin
Granville http://pdf.iconbar.com/

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) is compiled by it appears Chris
Gransden and available via both !Packman and direct from http://www.riscos.info/packages/DocumentDetails.html#PDF

It is worse than that :-(( I have the second one above, plus
PDFtest...

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha8 (20 May 2013) from Chris G's site at https://www.riscosports.co.uk/downloads.html

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha9 (22 Aug 2015) from Chris G, but not sure
where I got it from!

It would be nice to have one version available and supported!
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In article <48998d8a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting it
and updating it and running different developments!

and both versions will coexist side-by-side on the iconbar distinguished
only by their menu Info display - their Help files seem identical, and
their icons definitely are.

Neither will display embedded fonts, so thank goodness for the MuView port
from ... - Chris Gransden!

John

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In message <5c8a91b9c8News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>
Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

In article <48998d8a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c8a7f13f6dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Sigh!

Viewing some PDF files on RISC OS recently I discovered I have
two PDF file viewers installed.

"About this program" shows Identical Authors.

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if
anyone can assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version
than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting
it and updating it and running different developments!

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) updated by Colin
Granville http://pdf.iconbar.com/

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) is compiled by it appears Chris
Gransden and available via both !Packman and direct from
http://www.riscos.info/packages/DocumentDetails.html#PDF

It is worse than that :-(( I have the second one above, plus
PDFtest...

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha8 (20 May 2013) from Chris G's site at https://www.riscosports.co.uk/downloads.html

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha9 (22 Aug 2015) from Chris G, but not sure
where I got it from!

It was on the above site but seems to have been removed. I think that
version had a SWP issue IIRC as I found it would not load on my CM4
computer, but patched it via the !PatchSWP program.

I now tend to ignore all the above and use the built in PDF reader in
!Iris as it is much better at rendering newer PDF's.

!MuView is the next best thing as an alternative.

It would be nice to have one version available and supported!

Totally agree
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In message <693d5d51$0$31881$426a74cc@news.free.fr>
"John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

In article <48998d8a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting it
and updating it and running different developments!

and both versions will coexist side-by-side on the iconbar distinguished
only by their menu Info display - their Help files seem identical, and
their icons definitely are.

use the sprite view and it will render most of the embedded fonts.

Neither will display embedded fonts, so thank goodness for the MuView port from ... - Chris Gransden!

Or if you have a suitable machine the PDF viewer in Iris web browser is as good as MuView and maybe better.
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In article <01ed948a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

I now tend to ignore all the above and use the built in PDF reader in
!Iris as it is much better at rendering newer PDF's.

Iris would be much more useful if it would export as Drawfile which PDF
can, but can't handle the embedded fonts which Iris can.

Drawfiles, like PDF files, are scaleable, unlike Sprites, Iris' chosen
export format!

My main application is in music notation, but whilst Iris can display and support some processing with the site:

ABC_Tools: https://www.michaeleskin.com/abctools/abctools.html

it falls over at the final but vital step of saving the PDF music score -
it just gets stuck and I don't know where, or to whom, to report that.

Is there a bug tracker?

John

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In article <5c8a91b9c8News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

In article <48998d8a5c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c8a7f13f6dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Sigh!

Viewing some PDF files on RISC OS recently I discovered I have
two PDF file viewers installed.

"About this program" shows Identical Authors.

But the version numbers are very confusing, so I'm wonder if
anyone can assuage my confused state?

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017)

The other...

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025)

So how could 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) be a newer version
than...

3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) version?

Oh dear confusing indeed, seems two different people are supporting
it and updating it and running different developments!

Version: 3.00.1.19a 32bit (15 April 2025) updated by Colin
Granville http://pdf.iconbar.com/

Version: 3.02.1.24.1 (6 Mar 2017) is compiled by it appears Chris Gransden and available via both !Packman and direct from http://www.riscos.info/packages/DocumentDetails.html#PDF

It is worse than that :-(( I have the second one above, plus
PDFtest...

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha8 (20 May 2013) from Chris G's site at https://www.riscosports.co.uk/downloads.html

Version 3.03.1.25.alpha9 (22 Aug 2015) from Chris G, but not sure
where I got it from!

It would be nice to have one version available and supported!

Ah well!
Thanks for the info folks... :-(

Dave
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On 13 Dec 2025, John Williams UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

it falls over at the final but vital step of saving the PDF music score -
it just gets stuck and I don't know where, or to whom, to report that.

Is there a bug tracker?

I don't think there's a user-facing bug tracker. The advice seems to be to email details to RISC OS Developments,
i.e. to Andrew Rawnsley <andrew@riscosdev.com>

Bernard
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