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Hi folks,

Having got to the back pages of my shiny new copy of Archive, I found an article on the lesser spotted app AppsClock.

http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/

AppsClock 1.51

I duly downloaded the zip file. It wouldn't open with SparkFS. I also got
error messages about SparkFS memory being corrupted. I moved it to the
dark side and it opened there so I moved the contents back to RISC OS.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

I tried to run AppsClock but it didn't load on the icon bar. It just
opened a second copy of StrongED showing the RunImage.

Today I downloaded a fresh copy and tried again on RISC OS. This time the
zip file open but when I dragged the app out of the zip I got.

Error : &80000002
Message: Internal error: abort on data transfer at &2083C974
15:04:47.13 ** WimpError ** from Filer Action Window
Error : &00000000
Message: Unrecoverable internal error (Internal error: abort on data
transfer at &2083C974), must exit immediately

Curiouser and curiouser.

Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?
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Chris
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In article <5c779277b7newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Hi folks,

Having got to the back pages of my shiny new copy of Archive, I
found an article on the lesser spotted app AppsClock.

http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/

AppsClock 1.51

I duly downloaded the zip file. It wouldn't open with SparkFS. I
also got error messages about SparkFS memory being corrupted. I
moved it to the dark side and it opened there so I moved the
contents back to RISC OS.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

I tried to run AppsClock but it didn't load on the icon bar. It
just opened a second copy of StrongED showing the RunImage.

Today I downloaded a fresh copy and tried again on RISC OS. This
time the zip file open but when I dragged the app out of the zip I
got.

Error : &80000002
Message: Internal error: abort on data transfer at &2083C974
15:04:47.13 ** WimpError ** from Filer Action Window
Error : &00000000
Message: Unrecoverable internal error (Internal error: abort
on data transfer at &2083C974), must exit immediately

Curiouser and curiouser.

Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?

You are not alone!

I downloaded a new copy, but it is in fact absolutely identical to a
copy I downloaded in 2007!

SparkFS 1.57 (the latest, I tink) will open it here, but trying to run
from the zip results in Data Transfer Abort at &21312A5c, which is
+42C8 in the Zip module (which is v1.52).

I have also seen similar messages to you if I try to drag it out of
the zip.

I have no proof that the zip used to open ok ... but I suspect one of
the many SparkFS changes since 2007 may have provoked this.

Martin
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In article <5c7794e46dNews04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>,
Martin <News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk> wrote:

In article <5c779277b7newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Hi folks,

Having got to the back pages of my shiny new copy of Archive, I
found an article on the lesser spotted app AppsClock.

http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/

AppsClock 1.51

I duly downloaded the zip file. It wouldn't open with SparkFS. I
also got error messages about SparkFS memory being corrupted. I
moved it to the dark side and it opened there so I moved the
contents back to RISC OS.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

I tried to run AppsClock but it didn't load on the icon bar. It
just opened a second copy of StrongED showing the RunImage.

Today I downloaded a fresh copy and tried again on RISC OS. This
time the zip file open but when I dragged the app out of the zip I
got.

Error : &80000002
Message: Internal error: abort on data transfer at &2083C974
15:04:47.13 ** WimpError ** from Filer Action Window
Error : &00000000
Message: Unrecoverable internal error (Internal error: abort
on data transfer at &2083C974), must exit immediately

Curiouser and curiouser.

Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?

You are not alone!

I downloaded a new copy, but it is in fact absolutely identical to a
copy I downloaded in 2007!

SparkFS 1.57 (the latest, I tink) will open it here, but trying to run
from the zip results in Data Transfer Abort at &21312A5c, which is
+42C8 in the Zip module (which is v1.52).

I have also seen similar messages to you if I try to drag it out of
the zip.

I have no proof that the zip used to open ok ... but I suspect one of
the many SparkFS changes since 2007 may have provoked this.

To avoid SparkFS I tried opening it with InfoZip. Got the app out but
running it gave

16:10:30.90 Exec
16:10:39.25 Run
ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Default.2025/11/06.!AppsClock.!Run
An application that loads a file of this type has not been found by the
Filer. Open a directory display containing the required application and
try again.
16:10:39.25 ** Error **
Error : &00000409
Message: An application that loads a file of this type has not been
found by the Filer. Open a directory display containing the required application and try again.
16:10:39.25 ** WimpError ** from unknown task
Error : &00000409
Message: An application that loads a file of this type has not been
found by the Filer. Open a directory display containing the required application and try again.
16:10:39.25 Exec
16:10:41.65 Exec
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Chris
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On 06 Nov, newslists@npost.uk wrote:

My editions of SparkPlug, PackDir, ZipEE are not 32 bit compatible so
couldn't try them.

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

I've got it working on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 Windows 10 Acer netbook
by opening it with ZipEE.
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Chris
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In article <5c77984d92newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

Yes it is. Running here now on 5.31 (14 Aug 2025)

It works just fine with SparkFS v1.46 (06 Jul 2020) read-only
But It fails with SparkFS v1.52 (08 Mar 2023)

So one of the SparkFS changes in that time broke it!
(or a change provoked a long-time problem with the zip!)

Martin
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Note that unfortunately this email address will become invalid
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On 6 Nov 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

[snip]

16:10:30.90 Exec
16:10:39.25 Run ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Default.2025/11/06.!AppsClock.!Run
An application that loads a file of this type has not been found by the Filer. Open a directory display containing the required application and
try again.

Have you checked the filetypes inside the application directory? It
sounds as if the Obey files (and possibly others) have not been
filetyped properly on extraction from the archive.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

Many are called, few are chosen. Fewer still get to do the choosing.
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In message <5c779277b7newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Hi folks,

Having got to the back pages of my shiny new copy of Archive, I found an >article on the lesser spotted app AppsClock.

http://www.ajb121.net/riscos/

AppsClock 1.51

I duly downloaded the zip file. It wouldn't open with SparkFS. I also got >error messages about SparkFS memory being corrupted. I moved it to the
dark side and it opened there so I moved the contents back to RISC OS.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

There is a copy of that app on my ARMX6 machine as well as my RISC OS
Fast machine as well in Utilities.

I don't think I have installed thos app myself.

I tried to run AppsClock but it didn't load on the icon bar. It just
opened a second copy of StrongED showing the RunImage.

Today I downloaded a fresh copy and tried again on RISC OS. This time the
zip file open but when I dragged the app out of the zip I got.

Error : &80000002
Message: Internal error: abort on data transfer at &2083C974
15:04:47.13 ** WimpError ** from Filer Action Window
Error : &00000000
Message: Unrecoverable internal error (Internal error: abort on data
transfer at &2083C974), must exit immediately

Curiouser and curiouser.

Can anyone confirm this or is it just me?

--
Kev Wells
https://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
carpe cervisium
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
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On 6 Nov, Martin wrote in message
<5c779dd1c4News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>:

It works just fine with SparkFS v1.46 (06 Jul 2020) read-only But It fails with SparkFS v1.52 (08 Mar 2023)

So one of the SparkFS changes in that time broke it! (or a change provoked
a long-time problem with the zip!)

The Zip file doesn't appear to be entirely happy to start with...

steve@ullscarf:~/Downloads$ zipdetails -v apsclk.zip

0000 0004 50 4B 03 04 LOCAL HEADER #1 04034B50
0004 0001 00 Extract Zip Spec 00 '0.0'
0005 0001 00 Extract OS 00 'MS-DOS'
0006 0002 06 00 General Purpose Flag 0006
[Bit 1] 1 '8k Sliding Dictionary'
[Bit 2] 1 '3 Shannon-Fano Trees'
0008 0002 06 00 Compression Method 0006 'Imploded'
000A 0004 85 6D 1E 2B Last Mod Time 2B1E6D85 'Thu Aug 30 14:44:10
2001'
000E 0004 95 77 6A 72 CRC 726A7795
0012 0004 D2 21 00 00 Compressed Length 000021D2
0016 0004 F9 5A 00 00 Uncompressed Length 00005AF9
001A 0002 10 00 Filename Length 0010
001C 0002 18 00 Extra Length 0018
001E 0010 21 41 70 70 Filename '!AppsClock/!Help'
73 43 6C 6F
63 6B 2F 21
48 65 6C 70
002E 0002 41 43 Extra ID #0001 4341 'AC: Acorn/SparkFS (David
Pilling)'
0030 0002 18 00 Length 0018
0032 21D2 ... PAYLOAD

WARNING!
Zip local header not found at offset 0x2208
Skipping 0x43b5 bytes to Central Directory...

65BD 0004 50 4B 01 02 CENTRAL HEADER #1 02014B50
65C1 0001 00 Created Zip Spec 00 '0.0'
65C2 0001 00 Created OS 00 'MS-DOS'
65C3 0001 00 Extract Zip Spec 00 '0.0'
65C4 0001 00 Extract OS 00 'MS-DOS'
65C5 0002 06 00 General Purpose Flag 0006
[Bit 1] 1 '8k Sliding Dictionary'
[Bit 2] 1 '3 Shannon-Fano Trees'
65C7 0002 06 00 Compression Method 0006 'Imploded'
65C9 0004 85 6D 1E 2B Last Mod Time 2B1E6D85 'Thu Aug 30 14:44:10
2001'
65CD 0004 95 77 6A 72 CRC 726A7795
65D1 0004 D2 21 00 00 Compressed Length 000021D2
65D5 0004 F9 5A 00 00 Uncompressed Length 00005AF9
65D9 0002 10 00 Filename Length 0010
65DB 0002 18 00 Extra Length 0018
65DD 0002 00 00 Comment Length 0000
65DF 0002 00 00 Disk Start 0000
65E1 0002 00 00 Int File Attributes 0000
[Bit 0] 0 'Binary Data'
65E3 0004 20 00 00 00 Ext File Attributes 00000020
[Bit 5] Archive
65E7 0004 00 00 00 00 Local Header Offset 00000000
65EB 0010 21 41 70 70 Filename '!AppsClock/!Help'
73 43 6C 6F
63 6B 2F 21
48 65 6C 70
65FB 0002 41 43 Extra ID #0001 4341 'AC: Acorn/SparkFS (David
Pilling)'
65FD 0002 18 00 Length 0018


Unexpected END at offset 000065FF, value 30435241

WARNINGS

* Expected Zip header not found at offset 0x2208, skipped 0x43B5 bytes

Done
steve@ullscarf:~/Downloads$

Trying ZipInfo with verbose output reveals a lot of reports of truncated blocks, although it can list the contents.

So a "marginal" Zip file and some regression in SparkFS? Perhaps report the problem to ROOL (in the forums, or as a bug)?
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http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
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In message <mpro.t5bug402164ga05fw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 6 Nov, Martin wrote in message
<5c779dd1c4News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>:

It works just fine with SparkFS v1.46 (06 Jul 2020) read-only But It
fails with SparkFS v1.52 (08 Mar 2023)

So one of the SparkFS changes in that time broke it! (or a change
provoked a long-time problem with the zip!)

The Zip file doesn't appear to be entirely happy to start with...

SparkFS 1.55 complains of "Bad archive" with all four of the zips I
downloaded from his site. I looked at the first few bytes of apsclk
and I seem the same binary values as you.

apsclk gets the same reaction when I try to unzip it on Ubuntu. I
haven't bothered with the others.

We don't know what he zipped them with, but the results appear to be incompatible with any modern zip unpacker.

David
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In message <eafa12785c.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

In message <mpro.t5bug402164ga05fw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 6 Nov, Martin wrote in message
<5c779dd1c4News04@avisoft.f9.co.uk>:

It works just fine with SparkFS v1.46 (06 Jul 2020) read-only But It
fails with SparkFS v1.52 (08 Mar 2023)

So one of the SparkFS changes in that time broke it! (or a change
provoked a long-time problem with the zip!)

The Zip file doesn't appear to be entirely happy to start with...

SparkFS 1.55 complains of "Bad archive" with all four of the zips I downloaded from his site. I looked at the first few bytes of apsclk
and I seem the same binary values as you.

apsclk gets the same reaction when I try to unzip it on Ubuntu. I
haven't bothered with the others.

We don't know what he zipped them with, but the results appear to be incompatible with any modern zip unpacker.

David

I'm not sure since the files date from 2001...
If you have applications from this site, it would be good to archive them.
I use !AppsClock and it works correctly on AMX6 and CM4.
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Jean-Michel
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In message <5c77984d92newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

On 06 Nov, newslists@npost.uk wrote:

My editions of SparkPlug, PackDir, ZipEE are not 32 bit compatible so couldn't try them.

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

I've got it working on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 Windows 10 Acer netbook
by opening it with ZipEE.

Works fine here on 32-bit 4.42
Downloaded from website and extracted using SparkFS v1.41
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Paul Stewart
Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
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In message <09c406795c.Paul@phorefaux>
Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

In message <5c77984d92newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

On 06 Nov, newslists@npost.uk wrote:

My editions of SparkPlug, PackDir, ZipEE are not 32 bit compatible so couldn't try them.

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

I've got it working on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 Windows 10 Acer netbook
by opening it with ZipEE.

Works fine here on 32-bit 4.42 Downloaded from website and extracted using SparkFS v1.41

I looked to see if it would be possible to revert to SparkFS 1.41 here,
but it would be too difficult. All the upgrades were via the Freshen
app, so you never got a complete new version except by upgrading from
an earlier one.

So, since this was just a curiosity anyway, I'm not going to do any more.

David
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In message <eb5f33795c.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

In message <09c406795c.Paul@phorefaux>
Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

In message <5c77984d92newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

On 06 Nov, newslists@npost.uk wrote:

My editions of SparkPlug, PackDir, ZipEE are not 32 bit compatible so
couldn't try them.

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

I've got it working on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 Windows 10 Acer netbook >>> by opening it with ZipEE.

Works fine here on 32-bit 4.42 Downloaded from website and extracted using >> SparkFS v1.41

I looked to see if it would be possible to revert to SparkFS 1.41 here,
but it would be too difficult. All the upgrades were via the Freshen
app, so you never got a complete new version except by upgrading from
an earlier one.

You can download an original copy of SparkFS 1.46 from David Pilling's old software section on his Wiki

https://www.davidpilling.com/wiki/index.php/SparkFS

Near the bottom of the page.

Any use?
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In message <4f093d795c.chris@mytardis>
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <eb5f33795c.DaveMeUK@BeagleBoard-xM>
David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:

In message <09c406795c.Paul@phorefaux>
Paul Stewart <phorefaux@gmail.com> wrote:

In message <5c77984d92newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

On 06 Nov, newslists@npost.uk wrote:

My editions of SparkPlug, PackDir, ZipEE are not 32 bit compatible so couldn't try them.

Is AppsClock 32 bit compatible?

I've got it working on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 Windows 10 Acer netbook by opening it with ZipEE.

Works fine here on 32-bit 4.42 Downloaded from website and extracted using SparkFS v1.41

I looked to see if it would be possible to revert to SparkFS 1.41 here,
but it would be too difficult. All the upgrades were via the Freshen
app, so you never got a complete new version except by upgrading from an earlier one.

You can download an original copy of SparkFS 1.46 from David Pilling's old software section on his Wiki

https://www.davidpilling.com/wiki/index.php/SparkFS

Near the bottom of the page.

Any use?

Thanks, yes; lo and behold, it opens the archive just fine! The resulting
app works.

So who knows what has happened to the file formats in the intervening
years.

Anyway, same result: my curiosity is satisfied, I've finished now.

David
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