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Hi folks,

Would someone kindly convince me I'm not imagining things.

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and one to change date stamps on files.

My brain has turned to mush. (Usual state).

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In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

Paul
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:25:11 +0200 (Custom)
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and
one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

Not sure if Chris meant my application :-

!StampIt

https://www.notme.me.uk/

Ian

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In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and
one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b (21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try to use it. I thought that
might be if it's not 32 bitted but probably some other reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

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In article <20260927181245.6024df13@ian-460-p050na>,
Ian <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 18:25:11 +0200 (Custom)
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and
one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

Not sure if Chris meant my application :-

!StampIt

https://www.notme.me.uk/

That's it. Thank you. Much obliged.

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In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers
<Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image
and one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b (21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try to use it. I
thought that might be if it's not 32 bitted but probably some other
reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

Could I suggest you contact Andy to check it runs on identical hardware/software.

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi) with
RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs without
problems.

Richard

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In message <5d1f614123basura@invalid.addr.uk>
Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers
<Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image
and one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b (21-Sep-2015).
Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try to use it. I
thought that might be if it's not 32 bitted but probably some other
reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

Could I suggest you contact Andy to check it runs on identical hardware/software.

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi) with
RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs without
problems.

Richard

With a few modifications it works on a cm4
A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap
Add near the beginning of the file!
zA% = TRUE
rC% = TRUE
UA% =
These variables are missing in if conditions.

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip


To test while waiting for Fred to update.
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In article <6365681f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi) with
RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs without
problems.

Richard

With a few modifications it works on a cm4
A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap
Add near the beginning of the file!
zA% = TRUE
rC% = TRUE
UA% =
These variables are missing in if conditions.

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin

https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Got them. Where do I put them?

Andy Marks is investigating. It may be problem with Riscos 5.31

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In message <5d1f7812a5newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <6365681f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi) with
RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs without
problems.

Richard

With a few modifications it works on a cm4
A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap
Add near the beginning of the file!
zA% = TRUE
rC% = TRUE
UA% =
These variables are missing in if conditions.

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin

https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Got them. Where do I put them?

Andy Marks is investigating. It may be problem with Riscos 5.31

In !ExifEdit.bin , they are existing but I keep them in a bin.old
directory.

They have the same size but are differents (DDE !Diff)
Before change them, the application runs but no data found...

Is it Ok for Basic source?
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In article <6365681f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

In message <5d1f614123basura@invalid.addr.uk> Richard Ashbery
<basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers
<Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image
and one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b
(21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try
to use it. I thought that might be if it's not 32 bitted but
probably some other reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

Could I suggest you contact Andy to check it runs on identical hardware/software.

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi)
with RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs
without problems.

Richard

With a few modifications it works on a cm4 A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap Add near the beginning of the file!
zA% = TRUE rC% = TRUE UA% = These variables are missing in if
conditions.

UA% =

What does that mean please?

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Have same version of ExifEdit (0.98b (21-Sep-2025) as Chris. The
Absolute files (exifcom, exiftags and exiftime) contained in
ExifTools are identical to my copy of ExifEdit. I think ExifTools must
be for an earlier ExifEdit version??

Richard

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In message <5d1f7c9247basura@invalid.addr.uk>
Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

In article <6365681f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

In message <5d1f614123basura@invalid.addr.uk> Richard Ashbery
<basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers
<Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image
and one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b
(21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try
to use it. I thought that might be if it's not 32 bitted but
probably some other reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

Could I suggest you contact Andy to check it runs on identical
hardware/software.

I'm only able to test the App by running on a PiHarder (R-Pi)
with RISC OS 5.30 and ARMX6 with RISC OS 5.31 where it runs
without problems.

Richard

With a few modifications it works on a cm4 A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap Add near the beginning of the file!
zA% = TRUE rC% = TRUE UA% = These variables are missing in if
conditions.

UA% =

sorry, UA% = 0, just to create the variable

What does that mean please?

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin
https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Have same version of ExifEdit (0.98b (21-Sep-2025) as Chris. The
Absolute files (exifcom, exiftags and exiftime) contained in
ExifTools are identical to my copy of ExifEdit. I think ExifTools must
be for an earlier ExifEdit version??

Yes , but from my previous message:

They have the same size but are differents (DDE !Diff)
Before change them, the application runs but no data found...

Some programs working with ARMx6 need to be modified, processeur are not
the same.
See my thread DVI TeX for CM4

Richard

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In article <29477f1f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

[snip]

With a few modifications it works on a cm4 A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap Add near the beginning of the
file! zA% = TRUE rC% = TRUE UA% = These variables are missing in
if conditions.

UA% =

sorry, UA% = 0, just to create the variable

That makes a lot more sense.

What does that mean please?

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin
https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Have same version of ExifEdit (0.98b (21-Sep-2025) as Chris. The
Absolute files (exifcom, exiftags and exiftime) contained in
ExifTools are identical to my copy of ExifEdit. I think ExifTools
must be for an earlier ExifEdit version??

Yes , but from my previous message:

They have the same size but are differents (DDE !Diff) Before
change them, the application runs but no data found...

Some programs working with ARMx6 need to be modified, processeur
are not the same. See my thread DVI TeX for CM4

Ah! That's interesting - the same sizes but different. OK I'll change
them on my copy.

I have to admit defeat - the !RunImage changes didn't go well (ended
with 'no such function/procedure (code386)' ). My programming knowledge
is insufficient to fix. Regenerated !ExifEdit from the archive.

Richard



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In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and
one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b (21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try to use it. I thought that might be if it's not 32 bitted but probably some other reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

I have a very old version 0.95b (Feb2009)

Might one ask where the latest version of ExifEdit can be downloaded from.

I've looked at Fred's site and cannot see it anywhere.

Thanks
Dave
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On 28 Sep, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote:

In article <5d1f144998newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <5d1ef7be9cPaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
wrote:

In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and
one to change date stamps on files.

The first one is !ExifEdit. I don't know about the second one.

I have that. Latest version from Fred's site. 0.98b (21-Sep-2015). Unfortunately it stiffs this machine when I try to use it. I thought
that might be if it's not 32 bitted but probably some other reason.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.31

I have a very old version 0.95b (Feb2009)

Might one ask where the latest version of ExifEdit can be downloaded
from.

I've looked at Fred's site and cannot see it anywhere.

Thanks
Dave

Not to worry...

I asked the Google AI and it pointed me directly at it.

;-)

Dave
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https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/19859

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In message <5d1f8799fbbasura@invalid.addr.uk>
Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> wrote:

In article <29477f1f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>, Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

[snip]

With a few modifications it works on a cm4 A) in Basic program:
Edit !Runimage with with !Zap Add near the beginning of the
file! zA% = TRUE rC% = TRUE UA% = These variables are missing in
if conditions.

UA% =

sorry, UA% = 0, just to create the variable

That makes a lot more sense.

What does that mean please?

you need the last version , to remplace in .Bin
https://homepages.plus.net/pittdj/rool25/exiftools.zip

Have same version of ExifEdit (0.98b (21-Sep-2025) as Chris. The
Absolute files (exifcom, exiftags and exiftime) contained in
ExifTools are identical to my copy of ExifEdit. I think ExifTools
must be for an earlier ExifEdit version??

Yes , but from my previous message:

They have the same size but are differents (DDE !Diff) Before
change them, the application runs but no data found...

Some programs working with ARMx6 need to be modified, processeur
are not the same. See my thread DVI TeX for CM4

Ah! That's interesting - the same sizes but different. OK I'll change
them on my copy.

I have to admit defeat - the !RunImage changes didn't go well (ended
with 'no such function/procedure (code386)' ). My programming knowledge
is insufficient to fix. Regenerated !ExifEdit from the archive.

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

Richard

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In article <e5d4941f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
[Snippy]

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

As an old and long time Zap aficionado I never thought I'd ask this
question, however in recent times, I've moved over from Zap the StrongED...

So...
Why does Zap need to be used?

Why not use StrongED?

Dave

I've had the Runimage open side by side in both !Zap and StrongED... I see
no difference. :-/

D.
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In message <5d1fc8ee60dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

In article <e5d4941f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
[Snippy]

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

As an old and long time Zap aficionado I never thought I'd ask this
question, however in recent times, I've moved over from Zap the StrongED...

So...
Why does Zap need to be used?

Why not use StrongED?

Dave

I've had the Runimage open side by side in both !Zap and StrongED... I see
no difference. :-/

D.

Good question, I've had this problem before and the answer was:

https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/6386?page=4

"StrongEd is not yet capable of editing BASIC programmes properly u it
throws away the line numbers and then makes up its own by renumbering as
you save it. "

If you do the test with both editors, you will have the answer.
I had the same error as you and I thought about !Zap.
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On 29 Sept, Dave wrote in message
<5d1fc8ee60dave@triffid.co.uk>:

In article <e5d4941f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
[Snippy]

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

As an old and long time Zap aficionado I never thought I'd ask this
question, however in recent times, I've moved over from Zap the
StrongED...

So... Why does Zap need to be used?

Why not use StrongED?

Because Zap edits BASIC files in their tokenised form, whilst StrongED detokenises them into text for editing and then retokenises them when you
save.

That's not normally a problem, but if a program is aggressively crunched
then it's possible to get it into a form where it's unambiguous when
tokenised, but becomes impossible to retokenise from text without the
tokeniser getting confused.

I can't remember the exact combinations, but think variables and keywords running into each other in ways that can't be disambiguated. Aside from anything else, the tokeniser is not a clever thing: it does some basic
pattern matching and makes a very limited attempt to understand what it's working on.
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In article <f83bd51f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

In message <5d1fc8ee60dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

In article <e5d4941f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
[Snippy]

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

As an old and long time Zap aficionado I never thought I'd ask this question, however in recent times, I've moved over from Zap the
StrongED...

So... Why does Zap need to be used?

Why not use StrongED?

Dave

I've had the Runimage open side by side in both !Zap and StrongED... I
see no difference. :-/

D.

Good question, I've had this problem before and the answer was:

https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/6386?page=4

"StrongEd is not yet capable of editing BASIC programmes properly u it throws away the line numbers and then makes up its own by renumbering as
you save it. "

If you do the test with both editors, you will have the answer.
I had the same error as you and I thought about !Zap.

Aha! I see.

Thanks
Dave
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In article <mpro.tm518l010gu8h02vk.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 29 Sept, Dave wrote in message
<5d1fc8ee60dave@triffid.co.uk>:

In article <e5d4941f5d.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:
[Snippy]

Hi, for Runimage file you need to edit it with !Zap....

As an old and long time Zap aficionado I never thought I'd ask this question, however in recent times, I've moved over from Zap the
StrongED...

So... Why does Zap need to be used?

Why not use StrongED?

Because Zap edits BASIC files in their tokenised form, whilst StrongED detokenises them into text for editing and then retokenises them when you save.

That's not normally a problem, but if a program is aggressively crunched
then it's possible to get it into a form where it's unambiguous when tokenised, but becomes impossible to retokenise from text without the tokeniser getting confused.

I can't remember the exact combinations, but think variables and keywords running into each other in ways that can't be disambiguated. Aside from anything else, the tokeniser is not a clever thing: it does some basic pattern matching and makes a very limited attempt to understand what it's working on.

Thank you for the detailed explanation.

Dave
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In article <5d1ef04237newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Hi folks,

Would someone kindly convince me I'm not imagining things.

I think there was an application to edit meta data in an image and one to change date stamps on files.

My brain has turned to mush. (Usual state).

There's also ExIfInfo - can't edit the info but provides many ways of
using it.

http://www.photodesk.iconbar.com/res/prg/exi.shtml
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