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I will admit that I have mostly used UniLaunch to fire up my web
needs on PC Firefox.

Due to the above I suppose I only have myself to blame but of late
none of my RO browsers appear to work at all with any search engines.
Is there a guide anywhere as to how this can be remedied or are we
done?

Thanks.

Bob.

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In article <5c28aa490dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I will admit that I have mostly used UniLaunch to fire up
my web needs on PC Firefox.

Due to the above I suppose I only have myself to blame
but of late none of my RO browsers appear to work at all
with any search engines. Is there a guide anywhere as to
how this can be remedied or are we done?

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html

John
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In message <5c28aa490dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I will admit that I have mostly used UniLaunch to fire up my web
needs on PC Firefox.

Due to the above I suppose I only have myself to blame but of late
none of my RO browsers appear to work at all with any search engines.
Is there a guide anywhere as to how this can be remedied or are we
done?

Which web browers are you using on RISC OS ?

I use Iris, which works with most sites, works with DuckDuckGo, Startpage
etc. search engines and can also be made to work with Google again by a
change to the 'User Agent'.

Latest version is 1.034 (May 2025) and includes a very nice PDF reader inbuilt.
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In article <5c28af51f3newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>,
John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html

Oh yes, so it does. Thanks for that John.

Cheers,

Bob.

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In article <c857ae285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Which web browers are you using on RISC OS ?

Netsurf 3.12 (DEV CI #6804).
Iris 1.028.

I use Iris, which works with most sites, works with DuckDuckGo,
Startpage etc. search engines and can also be made to work with
Google again by a change to the 'User Agent'.

Is that change written down anywhere?

Latest version is 1.034 (May 2025) and includes a very nice PDF
reader inbuilt.

Nice to know, I need to see if I can find a newer version then.

Thanks.

Bob.

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In message <5c28b288e2bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <c857ae285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Which web browers are you using on RISC OS ?

Netsurf 3.12 (DEV CI #6804).
Iris 1.028.

I use Iris, which works with most sites, works with DuckDuckGo,
Startpage etc. search engines and can also be made to work with
Google again by a change to the 'User Agent'.

Is that change written down anywhere?

The tip and lots of discussion on the newer version of Iris have been in threads on the ROOL forums.

The tip for Google search was create a new User Agent in the Choices with
Iris as below:

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

But you might be better just getting the newer version of Iris with lots
of improvements.

Latest version is 1.034 (May 2025) and includes a very nice PDF
reader inbuilt.

Nice to know, I need to see if I can find a newer version then.

If you use the default home page with Iris, there is a link on it to get
Iris updates.

There are now two versions you can download, the standard version
installed as normal, or another version that will merge in effect the !Sharedlibs from Iris with the other SharedLibs with !Boot.

Note, work has been taking place so it can also be installed via Packman
soon.

Note ROD will be soon release another update to Iris and hopefully more
often.
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In article <5c28b16bd8bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

I should have added that's with NetSurf. Iris has its own
link to DGG of course.

John
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On 6 Jun 2025 as I do recall,
John wrote:

In article <5c28b16bd8bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

I should have added that's with NetSurf. Iris has its own
link to DGG of course.

Other links I have been given that work are https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=iyonix
(unfortunately the base page for this search engine doesn't work with
NetSurf, so you have to carry out a default query as above and then edit
the displayed search string)

and
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/web

(this doesn't display the page properly, but you can type into the
writable icon and it will work)

It is possible to configure 'Yahoo' as the default search engine to use
in NetSurf's 'startup page', which is a more user-friendly interface to
the same search.
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In article <efecb4285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

The tip and lots of discussion on the newer version of Iris have
been in threads on the ROOL forums.

The tip for Google search was create a new User Agent in the
Choices with Iris as below:

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

I've added that to Iris and it seems to work, thanks.

But you might be better just getting the newer version of Iris with
lots of improvements.

I've done that too.

Latest version is 1.034 (May 2025) and includes a very nice PDF
reader inbuilt.

Not found that so far!

If you use the default home page with Iris, there is a link on it
to get Iris updates.

I'll look for that too.

There are now two versions you can download, the standard version
installed as normal, or another version that will merge in effect
the !Sharedlibs from Iris with the other SharedLibs with !Boot.

Note, work has been taking place so it can also be installed via
Packman soon.

Note ROD will be soon release another update to Iris and hopefully
more often.

All sounds good but I have to say on my modest little Mini.m cubes it
runs insufferably slowly.

Thanks for your help.


Bob.

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In message <5c28bdb504bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <efecb4285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

The tip and lots of discussion on the newer version of Iris have
been in threads on the ROOL forums.

The tip for Google search was create a new User Agent in the
Choices with Iris as below:

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

I've added that to Iris and it seems to work, thanks.

But you might be better just getting the newer version of Iris with
lots of improvements.

I've done that too.

Latest version is 1.034 (May 2025) and includes a very nice PDF
reader inbuilt.

Not found that so far!

Drop a PDF on to any open Iris window.


[snip]
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In article <3fd0bb285c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 6 Jun 2025 as I do recall,
John wrote:

In article <5c28b16bd8bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

I should have added that's with NetSurf. Iris has its own
link to DGG of course.

Other links I have been given that work are https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=iyonix
(unfortunately the base page for this search engine doesn't work with NetSurf, so you have to carry out a default query as above and then edit
the displayed search string)

and
https://uk.search.yahoo.com/web

(this doesn't display the page properly, but you can type into the
writable icon and it will work)

It is possible to configure 'Yahoo' as the default search engine to use
in NetSurf's 'startup page', which is a more user-friendly interface to
the same search.

Thanks.

Bob.

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In message <5c28af51f3newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk>
John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

In article <5c28aa490dbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I will admit that I have mostly used UniLaunch to fire up
my web needs on PC Firefox.

Due to the above I suppose I only have myself to blame
but of late none of my RO browsers appear to work at all
with any search engines. Is there a guide anywhere as to
how this can be remedied or are we done?

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

https://html.duckduckgo.com/html

John

http://www.frogfind.com/ works fine with NetSurf and will attempt to render the pages for older browsers
--
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Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
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In message <3fd0bb285c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 6 Jun 2025 as I do recall,
John wrote:

In article <5c28b16bd8bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

I use this for DGG, but can't help with anything else.

I should have added that's with NetSurf. Iris has its own
link to DGG of course.

Other links I have been given that work are https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=iyonix
(unfortunately the base page for this search engine doesn't work with NetSurf, so you have to carry out a default query as above and then edit
the displayed search string)

[SNIP]

I have found as long as you have Javascript enabled, !Searchy by Andrew
Poole works well for performing searches via Google.
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Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
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On 6 Jun, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

All sounds good but I have to say on my modest little Mini.m cubes it
runs insufferably slowly.

If you're not already using it, look for IrisRAM on the download site. It copies Iris in to RAM disc, and improves performance on slower machines.
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Isn't it strange that the same people that laugh at gypsy fortune
tellers take economists seriously?
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In article <a820d3285c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 6 Jun, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

All sounds good but I have to say on my modest little Mini.m
cubes it runs insufferably slowly.

If you're not already using it, look for IrisRAM on the download
site. It copies Iris in to RAM disc, and improves performance on
slower machines.

I am using it Brian but thanks for the suggestion. In reality it's
much quicker to boot up the PC and throw it across with UniLaunch than
try to manage with a RISCOS browser.

Cheers,

Bob.

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On 6 Jun 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:

http://www.frogfind.com/ works fine with NetSurf and will attempt to render the pages for older browsers

It doesn't seem to work with Iris! (page never finishes rendering)
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I'm all for computer dating.... But I wouldn't want one to marry my sister.
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In message <5c28d51d70bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

In article <a820d3285c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>,
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 6 Jun, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

All sounds good but I have to say on my modest little Mini.m
cubes it runs insufferably slowly.

If you're not already using it, look for IrisRAM on the download
site. It copies Iris in to RAM disc, and improves performance on
slower machines.

I am using it Brian but thanks for the suggestion. In reality it's
much quicker to boot up the PC and throw it across with UniLaunch than
try to manage with a RISCOS browser.

Why not just get yourself a much faster RISC OS computer! Something like
Pi4B, RISC OS Browser will be then be quicker.
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In article <756dda285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Why not just get yourself a much faster RISC OS computer! Something
like Pi4B, RISC OS Browser will be then be quicker.

Well actually I do have a Pi4 and it has RISCOS 5 on it and it has
been clocked a bit too. I enjoy working on trying to perfect the
tagging in my fairly substantial music library held on a NAS.

I estimated it was about 10% faster at that particular task than my
Mini.m cube. That task is networking intensive through Lanman98 and
sunfish. I admit I've not really played with the pi4 as a desktop
machine and I suppose I should but it wasn't the night and day I was
looking for on the networking job.

The other thing that puts me off it is the fan, I hate the fan
cutting in and out I can't wait to switch the machine off because of
it. Are there any fanless faster machines?

Cheers,

Bob.

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On 06/06/2025 10:53, Bob Latham wrote:

I will admit that I have mostly used UniLaunch to fire up my web
needs on PC Firefox.

Due to the above I suppose I only have myself to blame but of late
none of my RO browsers appear to work at all with any search engines.
Is there a guide anywhere as to how this can be remedied or are we
done?

If you are using google on NetSurf, try deleting all google cookies and restart it.

---druck
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On 06/06/2025 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <756dda285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Why not just get yourself a much faster RISC OS computer! Something
like Pi4B, RISC OS Browser will be then be quicker.

Well actually I do have a Pi4 and it has RISCOS 5 on it and it has
been clocked a bit too. I enjoy working on trying to perfect the
tagging in my fairly substantial music library held on a NAS.

I estimated it was about 10% faster at that particular task than my
Mini.m cube. That task is networking intensive through Lanman98 and
sunfish. I admit I've not really played with the pi4 as a desktop
machine and I suppose I should but it wasn't the night and day I was
looking for on the networking job.

I'm surprised you only find the Pi4B 10% faster. It has at least 5x
faster processor than the Mini.M, which is between a Pi 2B and a 3B.
I've found the networking performance of the Pi 4B to be at least double
that of the Mini.m, and that with the ROOL stack, the latest ROD is
quicker again.

What are you using for storage on the Pi 4? The one thing the Mini.m had
going for it was the SATA interface hooked up directly to a SSD, which
gave it much better performance than a Pi 2 or 3. The Pi 4 is a big improvement over those with a USB SSD, even though RISC OS *still*
doesn't support USB3.

The other thing that puts me off it is the fan, I hate the fan
cutting in and out I can't wait to switch the machine off because of
it. Are there any fanless faster machines?

There are two options, my RISC OS Pi 4B has the big aluminum block
heatsink case, so is completely silent and never runs too hot with RISC
OS only using a single core.

On my Linux Pi 4B's I did try a fan shim, but the tiny fan soon got
noisey and I replaced it 3 times before giving up. I decided go larger
than the 30mm fans on the Pi 3Bs and 3B+s and all of the 4Bs are now in
cases with much larger 40mm fans running on 3V3, they are inaudible and
run cool.

The range of Pi compute module 4 based machines look to be the best
thing to run RISC OS on at the moment.

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In article <101vj6r$2f9q5$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2025 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <756dda285c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Why not just get yourself a much faster RISC OS computer!
Something like Pi4B, RISC OS Browser will be then be quicker.

Well actually I do have a Pi4 and it has RISCOS 5 on it and it
has been clocked a bit too. I enjoy working on trying to perfect
the tagging in my fairly substantial music library held on a NAS.

I estimated it was about 10% faster at that particular task than
my Mini.m cube. That task is networking intensive through
Lanman98 and sunfish. I admit I've not really played with the pi4
as a desktop machine and I suppose I should but it wasn't the
night and day I was looking for on the networking job.

I'm surprised you only find the Pi4B 10% faster. It has at least 5x
faster processor than the Mini.M, which is between a Pi 2B and a
3B. I've found the networking performance of the Pi 4B to be at
least double that of the Mini.m, and that with the ROOL stack, the
latest ROD is quicker again.

I've not done it for a while so after your comments I've just done a
speed comparison. This is a music library scan. I opens every track
in the library and checks the tagging meets my reuirements before
closing the file again. The code is written in basic assembler.

It uses both Sunfish and Lanman98 simultaneously, it does this
because I've never found a file Sunfish couldn't see but plenty LM98
can't see at all. However, I do change the names etc. to make it
useable from LM98, I don't mind wrong characters being displayed but
they must be fully useable.

Results this morning.

Mini.m 13 minutes 49 seconds.
Pi4 13 mins 7 seconds.

The pi4 is noisy and has no real time clock.

That's why I don't use it.

If you can tell me why this task shows little if any difference I
would be delighted.

NAS is synology DS218.

What are you using for storage on the Pi 4?

The SD card and the on board ram. For my task above after loading the
code it doesn't use the sd card until it saves the results.

The one thing the
Mini.m had going for it was the SATA interface hooked up directly
to a SSD, which gave it much better performance than a Pi 2 or 3.
The Pi 4 is a big improvement over those with a USB SSD, even
though RISC OS *still* doesn't support USB3.

Last year I was speaking to some RISCOS machine vendors, they all
told me how much faster their machines were due to faster storage
which isn't my bottle neck. When I ask about networking speed they go
quieter and don't seem to have anything to offer.

The other thing that puts me off it is the fan, I hate the fan
cutting in and out I can't wait to switch the machine off because
of it. Are there any fanless faster machines?

There are two options, my RISC OS Pi 4B has the big aluminum block
heatsink case, so is completely silent and never runs too hot with
RISC OS only using a single core.

Not seen that, I'll see if I can find one.

On my Linux Pi 4B's I did try a fan shim, but the tiny fan soon got
noisey and I replaced it 3 times before giving up. I decided go
larger than the 30mm fans on the Pi 3Bs and 3B+s and all of the
4Bs are now in cases with much larger 40mm fans running on 3V3,
they are inaudible and run cool.

Good to know.

The range of Pi compute module 4 based machines look to be the best
thing to run RISC OS on at the moment.

Thanks Dave for the excellent information.

Cheers,

Bob.

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In article <101vi75$2f9q6$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

If you are using google on NetSurf, try deleting all google cookies
and restart it.

Oh wow, thanks for that.

Bob.

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In message <f4a2d9285c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 6 Jun 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:

http://www.frogfind.com/ works fine with NetSurf and will attempt to
render the pages for older browsers

It doesn't seem to work with Iris! (page never finishes rendering)

Works no issue here with NetSurf

You could try the https version.
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On 07/06/2025 11:01, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <101vj6r$2f9q5$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2025 20:21, Bob Latham wrote:

I've not done it for a while so after your comments I've just done a
speed comparison. This is a music library scan. I opens every track
in the library and checks the tagging meets my reuirements before
closing the file again. The code is written in basic assembler.

It uses both Sunfish and Lanman98 simultaneously, it does this
because I've never found a file Sunfish couldn't see but plenty LM98
can't see at all. However, I do change the names etc. to make it
useable from LM98, I don't mind wrong characters being displayed but
they must be fully useable.

Results this morning.

Mini.m 13 minutes 49 seconds.
Pi4 13 mins 7 seconds.

The pi4 is noisy and has no real time clock.

That's why I don't use it.

If you can tell me why this task shows little if any difference I
would be delighted.

NAS is synology DS218.

It's entirely dependent on your network and your NAS, so it's hardly surprising there is hardly any difference in speed.

There are two options, my RISC OS Pi 4B has the big aluminum block
heatsink case, so is completely silent and never runs too hot with
RISC OS only using a single core.

Not seen that, I'll see if I can find one.

This is what I'm using

https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/aluminium-heatsink-case-for-raspberry-pi-4?variant=30924235997267

https://thepihut.com/products/aluminium-armour-heatsink-case-for-raspberry-pi-4?variant=31291393671230

---druck
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In article <102bgqo$1sm55$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 07/06/2025 11:01, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <101vj6r$2f9q5$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

It's entirely dependent on your network and your NAS, so it's
hardly surprising there is hardly any difference in speed.

Yes, it does seem so.

This is what I'm using

https://thepihut.com/products/aluminium-armour-heatsink-case-for-raspberry-pi-4?variant=31291393671230

I worked it yesterday that it was the likely beast and ordered a
black one yesterday. I preferred the red but school physics lessons
taught me that matt black was the best radiator. Royal mail should
deliver later today.

Thanks.

Bob.

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On 11/06/2025 10:29, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <102bgqo$1sm55$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

https://thepihut.com/products/aluminium-armour-heatsink-case-for-raspberry-pi-4?variant=31291393671230

I worked it yesterday that it was the likely beast and ordered a
black one yesterday. I preferred the red but school physics lessons
taught me that matt black was the best radiator. Royal mail should
deliver later today.

I was willing to sacrifice a very small amount of emissivity (it's
anodised so better than paint) for the slightly larger increase in
aesthetics.

---druck
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In article <102fnio$2vn29$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

On 11/06/2025 10:29, Bob Latham wrote:

In article <102bgqo$1sm55$1@dont-email.me>,
druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:

https://thepihut.com/products/aluminium-armour-heatsink-case-for raspberry-pi-4?variant=31291393671230

I preferred the red but school physics lessons
taught me that matt black was the best radiator. Royal mail should
deliver later today.

I was willing to sacrifice a very small amount of emissivity (it's
anodised so better than paint) for the slightly larger increase in aesthetics.

I get that.

I've been surprised by just how warm this case gets, it borders on
hot and yet I've not seen the seen the cpu above 56deg.
Didn't expect that.

Bob.

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