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Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

Nobody seems to discuss Iris but it must be one of the most important developments RiscOS needs.

Would it not be better to discuss findings and and come to some concensus before approaching Andrew Rawnsley, RiscOS Devs or the developer Lee Noer?

Iris seems like a state secret.
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Chris
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In message <5c062b100anewslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

Nobody seems to discuss Iris but it must be one of the most important developments RiscOS needs.

Would it not be better to discuss findings and and come to some concensus before approaching Andrew Rawnsley, RiscOS Devs or the developer Lee Noer?

Iris seems like a state secret.

Well it's mentioned a lot on the ROOL forums.

I use the new version daily, but you need to read the readme files etc
that come with it.

If you have specific issues you can mentioned them here (or the WROCC
forum as you are a member) or on the ROOL forum.
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In article <8a4a2f065c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

If you have specific issues you can mentioned them here

My specific issue since two years or so is that copy/paste is broken.

Paul
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In message <5c06366323Paul@sprie.nl>
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <8a4a2f065c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

If you have specific issues you can mentioned them here

My specific issue since two years or so is that copy/paste is broken.

Yes, a known issue.

I spoke with Andrew at the show about it. It used to work sometime ago,
but some change in Webkit seems to have messed it up again.

He indicated it one of the priorities for fixing ASAP. I can't say more at this time.
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On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just didn't
do anything.
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Eschew Obfuscation.
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In article <981446065c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just didn't
do anything.

I get that a lot. It either freezes and stiffs the whole machine or just
closes and disappears off the icon bar.

I've read and re-read the help files and ensured !Boot & !System are up
to date with the ones in the download.

The latest version is worse than the previous.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29
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Chris
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On 31 Mar, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <981446065c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just didn't
do anything.

I get that a lot. It either freezes and stiffs the whole machine or just closes and disappears off the icon bar.

I've read and re-read the help files and ensured !Boot & !System are up
to date with the ones in the download.

The latest version is worse than the previous.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

My main issue with Iris is with sites using Recaptcha to prove I'm not a robot. None of them seem to work, even if it's a simple tick the box
option. The "Select all pictures containing x" option has never worked for
me either.

Might be worth experimenting with the browser ID?
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In message <5c0651a6danewslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <981446065c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just didn't
do anything.

I get that a lot. It either freezes and stiffs the whole machine or just closes and disappears off the icon bar.

Is this with the latest version 1.031 ?, if so have you gone to choices
from the icon bar menu and unticked 'use JIT' as advised and 'Save' the change. Per the Important text file in the update Zip.

I've read and re-read the help files and ensured !Boot & !System are up
to date with the ones in the download.

The most important one to change is turn off the 'Use JIT' within Iris as
you have a later model then a Pi 3.

The latest version is worse than the previous.

Have you tried a different user agent or a maybe a custom one which some people have found works better on some sites.

I use this:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

See if you can upgrade it to RISC OS 5.31 It might help.
--
Chris Hughes
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In message <66ef52065c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <981446065c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version?
How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just didn't >>> do anything.

I get that a lot. It either freezes and stiffs the whole machine or just
closes and disappears off the icon bar.

I've read and re-read the help files and ensured !Boot & !System are up
to date with the ones in the download.

The latest version is worse than the previous.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

My main issue with Iris is with sites using Recaptcha to prove I'm not a robot. None of them seem to work, even if it's a simple tick the box
option. The "Select all pictures containing x" option has never worked for
me either.

This sounds like it involves Cloudflare based sites. Cloudflare are a pain
in some ways, they check your browser ID nowadays and seem to have decided
to block anything then it seems the latest versions of browsers, getting
into a loop.

Might be worth experimenting with the browser ID?

Could do
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Chris Hughes
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On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Hughes wrote:

In message <66ef52065c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>
Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

My main issue with Iris is with sites using Recaptcha to prove I'm not a robot. None of them seem to work, even if it's a simple tick the box option. The "Select all pictures containing x" option has never worked for me either.

This sounds like it involves Cloudflare based sites. Cloudflare are a pain in some ways, they check your browser ID nowadays and seem to have decided to block anything then it seems the latest versions of browsers, getting into a loop.

Yes, I can't get into any Cloudflare sites. :-(
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He who falls in love with himself will have no rivals.
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In article <8a8b5a065c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

I use this:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Strange, that agent doesn't show up in my list.
Is it just a matter of copying that text? Or is something more complex
needed?

Paul
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In message <5c06ae4b35Paul@sprie.nl>
Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

In article <8a8b5a065c.chris@mytardis>,
Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

I use this:
Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Strange, that agent doesn't show up in my list.
Is it just a matter of copying that text? Or is something more complex needed?

It was one suggested on the ROOL list as helping fixing the Google Search
page issue and seems to help with other sites as well.

It's not on the list so you can either just type it in and save it by the
Add to List, or copy and paste it in and then do Add to list which adds it
to the list of options.
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In article <8a8b5a065c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c0651a6danewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <981446065c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 31 Mar 2025 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using the new Iris version? How's it going?

I tried using it to book tickets on the University College London
website (for a student production), but after selecting my seat was
unable to complete the payment process - clicking 'Continue' just
didn't do anything.

I get that a lot. It either freezes and stiffs the whole machine or
just closes and disappears off the icon bar.

Is this with the latest version 1.031 ?, if so have you gone to choices
from the icon bar menu and unticked 'use JIT' as advised and 'Save'
the change. Per the Important text file in the update Zip.

Yes 1.031. Yes JIT turned off. I downloaded a new cop of 1.031, expunged
the Iris folder from WWW in Choices, merged boot and system so a clean
start.
Using lloyds bank which has aleays worked before I got through all the
security but when I got to my accounts Iris closed itself down.

I've read and re-read the help files and ensured !Boot & !System are
up to date with the ones in the download.

The most important one to change is turn off the 'Use JIT' within Iris
as you have a later model then a Pi 3.

The latest version is worse than the previous.

Have you tried a different user agent or a maybe a custom one which
some people have found works better on some sites.

I use this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Trying that now.

FAST Pi Compute Module 4 RISC OS 5.29

See if you can upgrade it to RISC OS 5.31 It might help.

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Chris
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< big snip>

I use this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Trying that now.

Whoopee! That worked. Bank site fully accesible. Iris less flaky.
Thank you for the tip.
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Chris
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In article <5c06d396a6newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

< big snip>

I use this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Trying that now.

Whoopee! That worked. Bank site fully accesible. Iris less flaky.
Thank you for the tip.

Wow.
1.031 with user agent Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS
5.31) now working really well here. Hasn't collapsed or fallen over. No
more freezes or error messages at machine shut down.

Some site a tad slow but hey, we're getting there.

Well done to all concerned.
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Chris
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In article <5c0735c930newslists@npost.uk>,

Wow.
1.031 with user agent Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS
5.31) now working really well here. Hasn't collapsed or fallen over. No
more freezes or error messages at machine shut down.
Some site a tad slow but hey, we're getting there.
Well done to all concerned.

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render correctly and
the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but
clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use PineBrowse
on a PineBook.
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Chris
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On 3 Apr, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render correctly and
the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but
clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use PineBrowse
on a PineBook.

Happens here, too.

If you open the !RiscOSM.Resources.Manual folder and double-click on any
of the individual pages, they render OK, but clicking on the Contents link
on the bottom of each page then displays the unrendered HTML code for the index/html file.

I can't see anything wrong with the HTML (BICBW).
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Watch out...
...you might get what you're after...
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In article <d134de075c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render correctly
and the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use
PineBrowse on a PineBook.

Happens here, too.

If you open the !RiscOSM.Resources.Manual folder and double-click on
any of the individual pages, they render OK, but clicking on the
Contents link on the bottom of each page then displays the unrendered
HTML code for the index/html file.

I can't see anything wrong with the HTML (BICBW).

Thanks. I'm not in the Bermuda triangle then.
If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a problem with Iris?
--
Chris
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In message <5c07e421banewslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <d134de075c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render correctly
and the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but
clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use
PineBrowse on a PineBook.

Happens here, too.

If you open the !RiscOSM.Resources.Manual folder and double-click on
any of the individual pages, they render OK, but clicking on the
Contents link on the bottom of each page then displays the unrendered
HTML code for the index/html file.

I can't see anything wrong with the HTML (BICBW).

Thanks. I'm not in the Bermuda triangle then.
If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a # in
it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab.
or
2) when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the window
(it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.
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In article <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c07e421banewslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <d134de075c.BrianNews@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render
correctly and the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but
clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use
PineBrowse on a PineBook.

Happens here, too.

If you open the !RiscOSM.Resources.Manual folder and double-click on
any of the individual pages, they render OK, but clicking on the
Contents link on the bottom of each page then displays the
unrendered HTML code for the index/html file.

I can't see anything wrong with the HTML (BICBW).

Thanks. I'm not in the Bermuda triangle then. If there is no fault in
the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a #
in it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab. or 2)
when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the window
(it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.

I tried some others.

Kevin Wells Time Zones and !PDF were OK.

!DPlingScan, !FireworkzPro, !Pipedream exhibited the fault although
PipeDream semmed to work when I loaded a different copy. Curiouser and curiouser.
--
Chris
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On 3 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>:

If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a # in
it.

That's valid HTML, though, so Iris should be handling it correctly.
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In article <5c07ebc1b3newslists@npost.uk>,

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.

I tried some others.

Kevin Wells Time Zones and !PDF were OK.

!DPlingScan, !FireworkzPro, !Pipedream exhibited the fault although PipeDream semmed to work when I loaded a different copy. Curiouser and curiouser.

Found another. Colin Granville's FTPc.
(Works with Netsurf as before).
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In article <mpro.su5ukv01kckpm02yy.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>:

If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a # in it.

That's valid HTML, though, so Iris should be handling it correctly.

Looks as though there is now enough evidence to say it's an Iris fault.

Can I inform Lee Noar directly or go through R Comp or RiscOSDevs?
--
Chris
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In message <5c07f46833newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.su5ukv01kckpm02yy.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>:

If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly, is it a >>>> problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a # in >>> it.

That's valid HTML, though, so Iris should be handling it correctly.

Looks as though there is now enough evidence to say it's an Iris fault.

Can I inform Lee Noar directly or go through R Comp or RiscOSDevs?

Contact RISC OS Developments.

But provide a step by step example to help them reproduce the issue.

If need be I am happy to do this.
--
Chris Hughes
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In message <5c07dc9c88newslists@npost.uk>
on 3 Apr 2025 Chris Newman wrote:

A slight possible glitch.

Calling all those who use Iris and RiscOSM.

If I access the RiscOSM help files in Netsurf, they render correctly and
the links work as expected.

However, if opened in Iris 1.031, the Contents page is correct, but
clicking on a link gives a page of unrendered HTML code.

Can anyone reproduce this?

I've contacted the Matthews but they don't have Iris. They use PineBrowse
on a PineBook.

We're the Phillipses - there's only one Matthew in the house.

We don't exactly use PineBrowse on the PineBook as I did not know of its existence until Chris reported the problem. I was exploring to see if the PineBook might have been supplied with Iris.

We tend to use NetSurf all the time on RISC OS.
--
Matthew Phillips
Sine Nomine Software
Durham
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In message <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>
on 3 Apr 2025 Chris Hughes wrote:

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a # in
it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab.
or
2) when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the window
(it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.

When a web browser loads a file from disc there is a fundamental
difference from loading it from the internet, because the file does not provide the browser with the HTTP header response. That response includes
a Content-Type line which tells the browser that the content is text/html
(or equally is a bitmap image, video, or audio file of various types).

When the browser loads from disc, it needs another method of recognising
the type. On RISC OS, this should be via the filetype, but I would also expect a browser to fall back on looking at the end of the file name in
case there is an extension like "/html" or "/htm" (using RISC OS
conventions here).

I imagine this could break if the browser forgets to remove the part from
the # onwards in the URL. But it's quite peculiar, because it has to
remove those parts to find the right file in the first place.

I looked at the !FTPc manual which Chris Newman mentioned further down the thread. Chris did not make clear which page of the manual failed: I found
an internal link with a hash, but that might not have been the problem.
One feature of the !FTPc manual is that the pages do not have any /html or /htm extensions. It could be that none of the links work, even when there
is no hash, because of some dodginess in Iris about how it makes up for
the lack of Content-Type.
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Sine Nomine Software
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We're the Phillipses - there's only one Matthew in the house.

Sorry. Mea Cupa. It had been a long, hard day. Excuses, excuses.
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Chris
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In article <ebd8f6075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c07f46833newslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.su5ukv01kckpm02yy.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>:

If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly,
is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the
initial issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the
URL has a # in it.

That's valid HTML, though, so Iris should be handling it correctly.

Looks as though there is now enough evidence to say it's an Iris
fault.

Can I inform Lee Noar directly or go through R Comp or RiscOSDevs?

Contact RISC OS Developments.

But provide a step by step example to help them reproduce the issue.

If need be I am happy to do this.

Would you care to do this please, Chris. You are probably wiser than me.

The reply from Mathew Phillips also has lots of relevant info.
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In message <5c084b7e4enewslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <ebd8f6075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c07f46833newslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <mpro.su5ukv01kckpm02yy.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

On 3 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>:

If there is no fault in the code and Netsurf sees all correctly,
is it a problem with Iris?

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the
initial issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the
URL has a # in it.

That's valid HTML, though, so Iris should be handling it correctly.

Looks as though there is now enough evidence to say it's an Iris
fault.

Can I inform Lee Noar directly or go through R Comp or RiscOSDevs?

Contact RISC OS Developments.

But provide a step by step example to help them reproduce the issue.

If need be I am happy to do this.

Would you care to do this please, Chris. You are probably wiser than me.

I don't know about being wiser! But I have just sent a detailed report to
ROD with a few examples.

One thing I did notice when comparing the NetSurf URL of these pages to
Iris's for the same page they were different.
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On 2 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

In article <5c06d396a6newslists@npost.uk>,
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

< big snip>

I use this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Trying that now.

Whoopee! That worked. Bank site fully accesible. Iris less flaky.
Thank you for the tip.

Wow.
1.031 with user agent Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS
5.31) now working really well here. Hasn't collapsed or fallen over. No
more freezes or error messages at machine shut down.

Doesn't seem to help here, alas - pages still tend to hang up at about
90% of the progress bar (which, in the case of the ones that don't then
crash and cause Iris to quit the iconbar, seems to be the mandatory 'Do
you consent to storing cookies on your computer?' page), and at least
50% of them seem simply to crash the app.

I just tried to load imdb.com from the Iris start page link, twice, and
both times it spent a long time trying to load what I think were large
chunks of video preview that it wouldn't be able to play in any case,
then crashed before I could finish typing in the name of the film I
wanted to find. It was probably a mistake to try typing into the
search box before the page had finished rendering, as the letters only
appear at a rate of about 1cps, but the page didn't appear to *be*
likely to finish rendering any time soon....
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On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]

I just tried to load imdb.com from the Iris start page link, twice, and
both times it spent a long time trying to load what I think were large
chunks of video preview that it wouldn't be able to play in any case,
then crashed before I could finish typing in the name of the film I
wanted to find.

Found the page by doing a brute force web search from DuckDuckGo, but
the browser then crashed when I tried to scroll the user ratings view...
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On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

I just tried to load imdb.com from the Iris start page link, twice, and both times it spent a long time trying to load what I think were large chunks of video preview that it wouldn't be able to play in any case,
then crashed before I could finish typing in the name of the film I
wanted to find.

Found the page by doing a brute force web search from DuckDuckGo, but
the browser then crashed when I tried to scroll the user ratings view...

To be fair, disabling the 'JIT' (just in time?) feature did seem to make
the browser more stable, as recommended in the trouble-shooting section;
after that I was actually able to post a review, and I haven't been able
to get that part of the site to work for a long time.
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On 11 Apr, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall, Harriet Bazley wrote:

[snip]

I just tried to load imdb.com from the Iris start page link, twice, and
both times it spent a long time trying to load what I think were large
chunks of video preview that it wouldn't be able to play in any case, then >> crashed before I could finish typing in the name of the film I wanted to
find.

Found the page by doing a brute force web search from DuckDuckGo, but
the browser then crashed when I tried to scroll the user ratings view...

I can confirm that the link to the IMDb page initially appears in about 5 seconds here, but crashed Iris 1.031 when I tried scrolling it the first
time, removing itself from the icon bar.

Second attempt, however, has loaded OK and I have been able to scroll all
the way to the bottom of the (long) front page with no crash.

The few links I've tried all worked as well.

I guess it depends on the speed of your device, and possibly your Internet connection.
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In article <2463f50b5c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 2 Apr 2025 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

In article <5c06d396a6newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

< big snip>

I use this: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0; RISC OS 5.31)

Trying that now.

Whoopee! That worked. Bank site fully accesible. Iris less flaky.
Thank you for the tip.

Wow. 1.031 with user agent Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Firefox/96.0;
RISC OS 5.31) now working really well here. Hasn't collapsed or
fallen over. No more freezes or error messages at machine shut down.

Doesn't seem to help here, alas - pages still tend to hang up at about
90% of the progress bar (which, in the case of the ones that don't then
crash and cause Iris to quit the iconbar, seems to be the mandatory 'Do
you consent to storing cookies on your computer?' page), and at least
50% of them seem simply to crash the app.

I just tried to load imdb.com from the Iris start page link, twice, and
both times it spent a long time trying to load what I think were large
chunks of video preview that it wouldn't be able to play in any case,
then crashed before I could finish typing in the name of the film I
wanted to find. It was probably a mistake to try typing into the
search box before the page had finished rendering, as the letters only
appear at a rate of about 1cps, but the page didn't appear to *be*
likely to finish rendering any time soon....

I find I was a bit premature with my glowing report. I'm finding sites
that cause Iris to disappear part way through navigating them. It seems
to be getting worse. Or the thing freezes.

Should cookies and the cache be routinely cleansed?

My cache contains:-

ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Bin.2025/04/01.Iris.cache.CacheStorage.salt
which contains a few chacters


ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Bin.2025/04/01.Iris.cache.hsts-storage/sqlite
which says it's text but is just an endless series of |


ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Bin.2025/04/01.Iris.cache.WebKitCache.Version 16.Blobs


ADFS::FAST.$.~~Temp.~~Trans.Bin.2025/04/01.Iris.cache.WebKitCache.Version 16.salt


Non of that do I understand.
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On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

I find I was a bit premature with my glowing report. I'm finding sites
that cause Iris to disappear part way through navigating them. It seems
to be getting worse. Or the thing freezes.

Should cookies and the cache be routinely cleansed?

Probably doesn't hurt to cleanse the cache after a crash - though I
wouldn't know where to find it!

(Hmmm, looks as if it's in Choices rather than !Scrap; yours seems to
have been configured to some external location.)
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In article <407c070c5c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>,
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:

I find I was a bit premature with my glowing report. I'm finding sites
that cause Iris to disappear part way through navigating them. It seems
to be getting worse. Or the thing freezes.

Should cookies and the cache be routinely cleansed?

Probably doesn't hurt to cleanse the cache after a crash - though I
wouldn't know where to find it!

(Hmmm, looks as if it's in Choices rather than !Scrap; yours seems to
have been configured to some external location.)

Err! That's weird. I had a shortcut to the Iris folder in Choices but
Ihadn't noticed it now points to the old Iris I binned. How can Pinboard
2.07 do that?
Anyway I've now corrected it so..

ADFS::FAST.$.!Boot.Choices.WWW.Iris.cache.CacheStorage.4AEBCDC813BA018C7B3096A6A02AFF59961F357C.cacheslist

etc.

I can see the cache does have lots of stuff in it.

I'll try removing the contents to a holding directory and see if Iris complains.
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In article <5c0c13fd55newslists@npost.uk>, Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <407c070c5c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>, Harriet Bazley
<harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 11 Apr 2025 as I do recall, Chris Newman wrote:

<snip>

I can see the cache does have lots of stuff in it.

I'll try removing the contents to a holding directory and see if Iris complains.

Done that. Cleared cookies as well. Iris still works. Seems a bit faster.
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In article <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a #
in it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab. or 2)
when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the window
(it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.

Just for information.

I have inherited custodianship for a big band web site.

WordPress used to work with Iris but no longer does. I just see the HTML instead of a human readable interface.

Presumably the problem as before mentioned.

Chris work arounds didn't work for me.

Worked fine on the dark side.
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In message <5c0e6e3e82newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a #
in it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab. or 2)
when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the window
(it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well -
just tested and the same workarounds work.

Just for information.

I have inherited custodianship for a big band web site.

Lucky you! :-)

WordPress used to work with Iris but no longer does. I just see the HTML instead of a human readable interface.

Intrigued by this,

Can you access the riscoscity website as that is run using WordPress? https://www.riscository.com/

Presumably the problem as before mentioned.

Not necessarily, It might be a certain plugin being used by WordPress,
causing the issue.

Chris work arounds didn't work for me.

Those workarounds were for a specific issue with files loading locally
from your computer (RISCOSM Help files).

Worked fine on the dark side.

Does not mean a lot to be honest, they have a lot more resources to fix
issues and money.
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In article <4e01730e5c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes
<news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

In message <5c0e6e3e82newslists@npost.uk> Chris Newman
<newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

In article <c1dde7075c.chris@mytardis>, Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:

Possibly. Looking at the URL's I can see what is causing the initial
issue. its the links to the sub-sections the bit where the URL has a
# in it.

Three ways I have found round it.

1) Just right click the link opens it correctly in a new tab. or 2)
when you get the page of HTML either click on F5 key (fresh page) or
click on the refresh page icon in the toolbar at the top of the
window (it's the arrows in a circle).

The pages then renders correctly.

Note: the same happens with the Impact HTML based help pages as well
- just tested and the same workarounds work.

Just for information.

I have inherited custodianship for a big band web site.

Lucky you! :-)

WordPress used to work with Iris but no longer does. I just see the
HTML instead of a human readable interface.

Intrigued by this,

Can you access the riscoscity website as that is run using WordPress? https://www.riscository.com/

Yes, I can.

I can access the big band website to view it, but when I log in to Word
Press to make changes, that's when I get HTML on RiscOS.
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On 16 Apr, Chris Hughes wrote in message
<4e01730e5c.chris@mytardis>:

In message <5c0e6e3e82newslists@npost.uk>
Chris Newman <newslists@npost.uk> wrote:

Presumably the problem as before mentioned.

Not necessarily, It might be a certain plugin being used by WordPress, causing the issue.

It does appear to have issues with Wordpress and non-HTML, as there are some very "stand on one leg and cough three times" type instructions on the ROD
site for downloading the zip files of things like Pinboard 2 using Iris.

Worked fine on the dark side.

Does not mean a lot to be honest, they have a lot more resources to fix issues and money.

It means that it may not meet all of the applicable standards... :-)

For what it's worth, I've seen MIME problems with RISC OS browsers (probably including an older Iris) when data is being assembled and typed on the fly
in PHP. I don't remember offhand exactly what they were, but being logged
into a CMS to edit pages feels like the kind of place where you would hit
that kind of thing.
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