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  • Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: BIND Masters and slaves

    From Michael De Roover@isc@nixmagic.com to DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) on Mon Jun 15 20:15:34 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

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    Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
    nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
    requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am
    - given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general
    environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by
    people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here.
    Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless
    blabber from social media.

    What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected
    are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not.
    The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly
    didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing
    this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all.
    Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for
    projects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I
    want to support in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and
    quite heavily so.

    On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:
    Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.
    --
    Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,
    Michael De Roover

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    <p>Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change
    nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the
    requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer
    authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code,
    comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy
    being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to
    the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange
    ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.</p>
    <p>What I did notice over time however that most of the projects
    affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public
    image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as <a
    moz-do-not-send="true"
    href="https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941">Opal</a> and
    recently <a moz-do-not-send="true"
    href="https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091">Rubocop</a>
    as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to.
    The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who
    shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were
    affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't
    even using it and just searched for projects with the name "cop"
    in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my
    effort to end racism, which I <i>do</i> support, and quite
    heavily so.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/20 8:00 PM, DeCaro, James John
    (Jim) CIV DISA FE (USA) wrote:<br>
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Or you can call the slave servers 'secondary' servers.
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    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
    Met vriendelijke groet / Best regards,<br>
    Michael De Roover</div>
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  • From Tim Daneliuk@tundra@tundraware.com to bind-users@lists.isc.org on Mon Jun 15 13:33:55 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

    On 6/15/20 1:15 PM, Michael De Roover wrote:
    Of course I could, but I do not feel like the effort to change nomenclature is either beneficial or worth taking for granted the requests of some people on Twitter - as the slave to peer authority I am - given how much it affects documentation, code, comments, general environment of the projects themselves. I enjoy being surrounded by people much smarter than I am when it comes to the mailing list here. Let's keep it that way and not derange ourselves into meaningless blabber from social media.

    What I did notice over time however that most of the projects affected are also those who do have to maintain a good public image, usually corporations. Meanwhile projects such as Opal <https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941> and recently Rubocop <https://github.com/rubocop-hq/rubocop/issues/8091> as well were not. The latter one I'd like to draw attention to. The maintainer clearly didn't ask for this and asked everyone who shamed him, why are you doing this? None of the complainers were affiliated to the project at all. Chances are that they weren't even using it and just searched for projects with the name "cop" in it instead. These are not the people I want to support in my effort to end racism, which I /do/ support, and quite heavily so.



    Hear Hear -


    This isn't political. It's just dumb.

    P.S. I wish the people all spun up on terminological trivia would actually expend their energy and activist voice to stop _real_ slavery which
    goes on routinely in parts of Africa, Eastern Europe, and in China
    every single day. But trying to grasp what is happening, say, to the
    Uyghurs is just way more work than your virtue card punched ...
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  • From Tony Finch@dot@dotat.at to Kevin Darcy on Mon Jun 15 20:09:31 2020
    From Newsgroup: comp.protocols.dns.bind

    Kevin Darcy <kevin.darcy@fcagroup.com> wrote:

    The "master" nomenclature is appropriate from a *data*dependency*
    standpoint. The "master" holds the "master copy" of the zone contents ( https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/master-copy). All other copies are duplicates of that.

    There isn't in general a single source of truth for zone data in many DNS setups. For example, much of the zone contents may come from a database, possibly augmented by a zone file fragment, and there may be a separate
    signing server that keys its keys from a third place. So it's wrong to
    insist that the bad old terminology has to be used with the DNS, because
    it's often completely incorrect.

    Tony.
    --
    f.anthony.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/
    Bailey: Cyclonic, mainly northwest, 3 to 5. Moderate, occasionally slight at first in east. Occasional rain. Good, occasionally poor.
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