• OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer

    From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 11:19:04 2023
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    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    Specifically in a Brother printer, if you know, although I'm curious
    about other brands too.

    This Brother printer MFC-J625DW has never complained about off-brand
    ink, and has worked well for years**, but it does ask after I replace a cartridge if it was the color for the slot I put it in.

    **It is supposed to clean itself periodically, and I have gone away for
    3 months and 4 months and it still worked well when I got back. I'm
    suprised that the red has gotten clogged.


    My red no longer prints, running the clean routine 7 times makes 1 or 2
    new dots print red each time while prior dots become blank. So I still
    only print 3 dots out of 195.

    Online there are good videos about cleaning Brother inkjets
    In this one https://youtu.be/6kwe36unBJA he takes an empty cartridge
    and fills it with 8 parts windex, 2 parts IPA (isopropyl alcohol), and
    he says doing something, running the cleaning routine I suppose, works
    great with such a cartridge.
    --- I have some old empty cartridges but not a red one. Will the
    printer still function if I'm using what was another color instead of
    red. Guesses are welcome.

    This is another good video https://youtu.be/zbqlxxPka-0 . Here he moves
    the carriage to the middle horizontally, stops it by disconnecting the
    printer (although in the comments we see that this can also be done by
    holding in the red X or the Stop button for a while), folds a paper
    towel in the area under the print heads, then moves the carriage above
    it, then removes a cartridge and pumps in cleaner through the port. I
    haven't ordered them yet, but https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PPFLKRD/ref=ewc_pr_img_2 are a set
    of 2 100ml syringes with 3mm ID hose attached. This seems to be the
    right diameter for Brother cartridge connections.


    Do you think isopropyl alcohol alone is as good as mixing with Windex
    (which I would have to buy and never use again)?

    It seems that 70% IPA is best for killing germs, and 91 or 99% is not
    good at it. Is 91 or 99% much better for cleaning inkjet heads? If
    so, it seems from what I read that after I use it, the bottle could be
    left open and after a while it would turn into 70% IPA.

    BTW IPA is cheaper at the local pharmacy than at Amazon. My impression
    is that products with a lot of water or other liquid are expensive
    online because of indidividual shipping costs, but I might be imagining
    this.
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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 13:12:51 2023
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    On 1/15/2023 11:19 AM, micky wrote:

    Do you think isopropyl alcohol alone is as good as mixing with Windex
    (which I would have to buy and never use again)?

    It seems that 70% IPA is best for killing germs, and 91 or 99% is not
    good at it. Is 91 or 99% much better for cleaning inkjet heads? If
    so, it seems from what I read that after I use it, the bottle could be
    left open and after a while it would turn into 70% IPA.

    BTW IPA is cheaper at the local pharmacy than at Amazon. My impression
    is that products with a lot of water or other liquid are expensive
    online because of indidividual shipping costs, but I might be imagining
    this.

    You can look up Windex on Wikipedia.

    Straight ammonia used to be a readily available cleaning product
    ("cuts grease, good window cleaner"), but it has been for the most
    part, removed from the shelves. An example here, at a ridiculous price...
    This used to be only a couple bucks a bottle, because large quantities
    of this are made for farmers. This is expensive enough, a four liter
    bottle would be worth as much as an analytical grade bottle of the chemical.

    https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/900mL-Ammonia-All-Purpose-Cleaner/PRD2OQYVRDZRBCB

    The Windex includes surfactants (like a detergent), so that may be
    why it is working in this case. It's hard to say what part of the
    Windex is most effective. Then the question would be, what kind of
    residues does it leave behind, and would those residues affect
    the ink pumping action (change drop size).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

    This is why I prefer pure chemicals, to make it easier to predict
    an outcome. Ammonia is a pretty good cleaner (as I used to make
    my own bottles of window cleaner here). Even without surfactants,
    it cleans glass nicely. The bottle sez "attacks aluminum and copper".
    I don't remember any attacks as such.

    Don't breathe ammonia vapors in, as it's bad for your lung lining.

    *******

    The prices on the bazaar selling sites for chemicals, is
    just ridiculous. The last bottle of IPA I bought, was
    probably three or four times the proper price. The stores
    are having a field day, when you know the factory making the
    chemical is not jacking the price like that. Only the
    retailer is raping the public. The middle men are driving Lambos.

    Paul
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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 18:47:57 2023
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    micky wrote:

    Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?
    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    I would assume colour laser printers to be "idiot proof" with either
    different keyways to only allow CMYK toners into the correct slots, or
    some form of contacts, so that if you insert the wrong toner into a
    slot, the printer knows, and will display an error.

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  • From Andy Burns@usenet@andyburns.uk to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 18:49:38 2023
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    Andy Burns wrote:

    I would assume colour laser printers to be "idiot proof"

    For some reason, I thought this was regarding lasers, but I'd expect the
    same to be true for inkjets.


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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@klee@unibwm.de to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 22:13:12 2023
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    On 15.01.2023 17:19, micky wrote:


    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    No, but you could use refillable cartridges with an auto-reset chip like:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005104512837.html

    and use them with a ready-to-use cleaner like:

    https://printout24.com/250ml-InkTec-Premium-Druckkopfreiniger-Duesenreiniger-inkjet-cleaner-solution


    My red no longer prints, running the clean routine 7 times makes 1 or 2
    new dots print red each time while prior dots become blank. So I still
    only print 3 dots out of 195.

    Are you sure that the cartridge isn't empty. If you use third party
    cartridges with to less ink, the printer doesn't know that there
    is no ink left.


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  • From Andy Burnelli@spam@nospam.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 03:15:06 2023
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    Paul wrote:

    It seems that 70% IPA is best for killing germs, and 91 or 99% is not
    good at it. Is 91 or 99% much better for cleaning inkjet heads? If
    so, it seems from what I read that after I use it, the bottle could be
    left open and after a while it would turn into 70% IPA.


    The reason 100% alcohol isn't as good at cleaning "germs" as the mixes with water is that the germs which are bacteria (not all germs are bacteria
    though) are designed to absorb water. Probably fungi too. Not viruses.

    Viruses aren't living organisms.

    As for refilling, I used to buy the inexpensive (I thought) HP printers at Costco and then the expensive HP printer ink at Costco, thinking I'd refill them on my own.

    That worked for a while until I realized HP added an expiry chip.
    The solution after years of playing these silly games was a laser printer.

    Black and white.
    Kids went to kinkos once they got to high school age if they needed color.

    Still using the black & white but now I refill it with plastic powder once every five years (it used to be around once a year with kids at home).

    The grandkids think black & white printing is a throwback to the fifties.
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  • From Andy Burnelli@spam@nospam.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 03:16:40 2023
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    Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

    Are you sure that the cartridge isn't empty. If you use third party cartridges with to less ink, the printer doesn't know that there
    is no ink left.

    As I recall from my many tutorials on how to refill HP printer ink tank cartridges, they count dots used, not how much is in the tank.

    HP is as sleazy as Apple when it comes to setting glue traps for customers.
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  • From winston@winstonmvp@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Sun Jan 15 13:51:14 2023
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    Normally, no.
    Most printers have code to verify/check the installed consumable(ink
    cartridge - type/brand/color/etc) before ok'ing for use.
    Until corrected, the printer doesn't/may not work.
    --
    ...wi+o#n+

    "micky" wrote in message news:hb88sh1sj4kas1f326dg8d5dlj5iij3shm@4ax.com...

    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Normally, no.
    Most printers have code to verify/check the installed consumable(ink
    cartridge - type/brand/color/etc) before ok'ing for use.
    Until corrected, the printer doesn't/may not work.

    --
    ...winston

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  • From Paul@nospam@needed.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 12:44:02 2023
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    On 1/15/2023 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    Specifically in a Brother printer, if you know, although I'm curious
    about other brands too.

    This Brother printer MFC-J625DW has never complained about off-brand
    ink, and has worked well for years**, but it does ask after I replace a cartridge if it was the color for the slot I put it in.

    As near as I could determine yesterday, the ink delivery system on
    that inkjet, is "two-parts". The thing that plugs into the front
    module, just holds ink. You should have noticed this Micky, instead
    of torturing us. Of course your printer is different.

    Ink reservoir --- internal_print_head ---> paper

    Whereas my printer here, a Canon Inkjet, is like this. Most of
    the modern and dirt-cheap printers, work this way. These are the
    kind you don't want to own. The material cost of the carts is higher.

    removable_print_head ---> paper
    plus ink reservoir
    all in one module
    with extensive
    electrical contact
    plate

    The Ink Reservoir on the Brother, does seem to have
    electrical contacts, but they would be mainly for enumeration.
    The fill of the reservoir, may be checked optically somehow.

    A clever individual, would now look at the part of the
    reservoir, and count the number of contacts. If no silicon chip
    is evident, the contacts could be "grounds" for ID, and you'd
    need a ground contact, plus ID0 and ID1 bits. It it was an SPI
    or some other serial standard and had silicon, maybe there would
    be additional contacts for silicon chip power. To do an ID,
    should not need more than five contacts.

    The design of the Brother, is one stop short of a "tank inkjet".
    Where tanks of ink, like a liter of red, sit below the
    printer, and the printer pumps the ink as needed for itself.
    Such printers are cheap to operate, as you only need change
    a print head, when it wears out or plugs up from lack of usage.
    You would not purchase a "tank inkjet", unless you printed
    all day, every day, and the action of doing that, helps
    keep it running in top shape.

    And with a tank inkjet, and the damaging fluids it possesses,
    you arrange the printer so there is a "catchment basin" to stop
    an ink leak from damaging your carpets. If a bottle holds a liter
    of ink, think of the size of the spot on the carpet that would
    make. It could even drip onto something on the floor below.
    The piddly little carts my machine uses, usually staining your hands
    is the extent of the damage. And your cheap desk is ruined :-)

    Paul
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 23:37:45 2023
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    In comp.periphs.printers, on Mon, 16 Jan 2023 03:15:06 +0000, Andy
    Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:

    Paul wrote:

    It seems that 70% IPA is best for killing germs, and 91 or 99% is not
    good at it. Is 91 or 99% much better for cleaning inkjet heads? If
    so, it seems from what I read that after I use it, the bottle could be
    left open and after a while it would turn into 70% IPA.


    The reason 100% alcohol isn't as good at cleaning "germs" as the mixes with >water is that the germs which are bacteria (not all germs are bacteria >though) are designed to absorb water. Probably fungi too. Not viruses.

    Viruses aren't living organisms.

    As for refilling, I used to buy the inexpensive (I thought) HP printers at >Costco and then the expensive HP printer ink at Costco, thinking I'd refill >them on my own.

    That worked for a while until I realized HP added an expiry chip.

    On this all-in-one printer, MFC-J625DW, I've bought cheap Amazon ink,
    and after that brand wasn't for sale, another non-Brother brand, and
    it's never complained. Later models may be more picky.

    The solution after years of playing these silly games was a laser printer.

    Black and white.
    Kids went to kinkos once they got to high school age if they needed color.

    Still using the black & white but now I refill it with plastic powder once >every five years (it used to be around once a year with kids at home).

    The grandkids think black & white printing is a throwback to the fifties.

    They're right. My computer printer in the 50's only did black and
    white. Also it was coal-fired, made the bedroom walls dirty.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 23:44:44 2023
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    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:51:14 -0700, "winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    "micky" wrote in message news:hb88sh1sj4kas1f326dg8d5dlj5iij3shm@4ax.com... >>
    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Normally, no.
    Most printers have code to verify/check the installed consumable(ink >cartridge - type/brand/color/etc) before ok'ing for use.
    Until corrected, the printer doesn't/may not work.

    This one doesn't check for Brother brand ink. It asks if I put magenta
    into the red slot, but I don't know what happens if I say No. Maybe it's
    just a reminder. There are a couple situations when one would want to
    use the wrong color.

    We shall see.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 23:47:41 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 22:13:12 +0100, Herbert
    Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:


    My red no longer prints, running the clean routine 7 times makes 1 or 2
    new dots print red each time while prior dots become blank. So I still
    only print 3 dots out of 195.

    Are you sure that the cartridge isn't empty.

    Yeah. It cleaned fine for 6 tries, and then it said red was empty, and
    I replaced it with a new one. This is my last red one, but I have other colors.

    If you use third party
    cartridges with to less ink, the printer doesn't know that there
    is no ink left.

    I don't really know if it's accurate or not. Not when it warns me but
    when it's said a color is empty, I've replaced it. Several times each
    color and it's never complained about lacking a chip.

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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 23:57:54 2023
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    In comp.periphs.printers, on Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:44:02 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 1/15/2023 11:19 AM, micky wrote:
    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    Specifically in a Brother printer, if you know, although I'm curious
    about other brands too.

    This Brother printer MFC-J625DW has never complained about off-brand
    ink, and has worked well for years**, but it does ask after I replace a
    cartridge if it was the color for the slot I put it in.

    As near as I could determine yesterday, the ink delivery system on
    that inkjet, is "two-parts". The thing that plugs into the front
    module, just holds ink. You should have noticed this Micky, instead
    of torturing us. Of course your printer is different.

    Ink reservoir --- internal_print_head ---> paper

    Whereas my printer here, a Canon Inkjet, is like this. Most of
    the modern and dirt-cheap printers, work this way. These are the
    kind you don't want to own. The material cost of the carts is higher.

    removable_print_head ---> paper
    plus ink reservoir
    all in one module
    with extensive
    electrical contact
    plate

    I see the difference. I don't know which I would have preferred, but
    the one I bought now says there is a paper jamb error even though I
    can't find the slightest bit of paper in it.

    This one I didn't pick because of how the ink worked but because I found
    it on the sidewalk, but it was top of the line at the time. It prints
    2-sided, wireless, prints straight from the phone (not that I've ever
    done that.)

    I also have another that I foudn on the street which will do everything
    but print. Wireless, it will scan and send faxes, but that's all.

    So now I have 3 printers, one with a paper jamb, one that won't print,
    and one that won't print red. Seems like I could combine them into one
    good one.

    The Ink Reservoir on the Brother, does seem to have
    electrical contacts, but they would be mainly for enumeration.
    The fill of the reservoir, may be checked optically somehow.

    A clever individual, would now look at the part of the
    reservoir, and count the number of contacts. If no silicon chip

    I don't see any metal contacts on the cartridges.

    What surprises me is that the cartridges don't move but the printheads
    do. There must be very flexible hoses, non-kinking connecting them.

    is evident, the contacts could be "grounds" for ID, and you'd
    need a ground contact, plus ID0 and ID1 bits. It it was an SPI
    or some other serial standard and had silicon, maybe there would
    be additional contacts for silicon chip power. To do an ID,
    should not need more than five contacts.

    The design of the Brother, is one stop short of a "tank inkjet".
    Where tanks of ink, like a liter of red, sit below the
    printer, and the printer pumps the ink as needed for itself.

    They are pushing somet h ing like that now. Not a liter maybe, but
    bigger extrernal ink supplies. I don't print that much.

    Such printers are cheap to operate, as you only need change
    a print head, when it wears out or plugs up from lack of usage.
    You would not purchase a "tank inkjet", unless you printed
    all day, every day, and the action of doing that, helps
    keep it running in top shape.

    And with a tank inkjet, and the damaging fluids it possesses,
    you arrange the printer so there is a "catchment basin" to stop
    an ink leak from damaging your carpets. If a bottle holds a liter
    of ink, think of the size of the spot on the carpet that would
    make. It could even drip onto something on the floor below.
    The piddly little carts my machine uses, usually staining your hands
    is the extent of the damage. And your cheap desk is ruined :-)

    Years ago a friend gave me a left over printe and while I was carrying
    it down the stairs to the basement, I red ink on the carpet. The
    current printer sits on something on the bed. I don't know when I did
    it but I got a blue inkblot on the green and white sheets. Can't wash
    the sheets until I move 100 things off the bed.

    Paul

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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Mon Jan 16 23:58:04 2023
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    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 18:49:38 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    I would assume colour laser printers to be "idiot proof"

    For some reason, I thought this was regarding lasers, but I'd expect the >same to be true for inkjets.

    I don't want to buy more ink, because the whole printer may have to be
    replaced if I can't fix the red.

    So I'm going to try and use the second method from my OP, and that
    method doesn't use a cartridge at all.
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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jan 17 00:16:29 2023
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    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:12:51 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 1/15/2023 11:19 AM, micky wrote:

    Do you think isopropyl alcohol alone is as good as mixing with Windex
    (which I would have to buy and never use again)?

    It seems that 70% IPA is best for killing germs, and 91 or 99% is not
    good at it. Is 91 or 99% much better for cleaning inkjet heads? If
    so, it seems from what I read that after I use it, the bottle could be
    left open and after a while it would turn into 70% IPA.

    BTW IPA is cheaper at the local pharmacy than at Amazon. My impression
    is that products with a lot of water or other liquid are expensive
    online because of indidividual shipping costs, but I might be imagining
    this.

    You can look up Windex on Wikipedia.

    I had looked it up. It has a lot of ingredients. I don't know which
    ones make it clean ink better and which make it less good.

    Straight ammonia used to be a readily available cleaning product
    ("cuts grease, good window cleaner"), but it has been for the most
    part, removed from the shelves.

    I don't know about that. I think maybe "what you mean" is that it's not
    an ingredient, or an important one, in the cleaners that are advertised,
    or even the ones that are sold. But ammonia itself I had no trouble
    finding, 2 quarts for 2 dollars at one supermarket, and a little over 4
    dollars at another. Food Lion and Maryland Giant.

    I noticed a big difference in the price of windex too. The Giant was a
    lot more.

    Food Lion otoh, you may recall "In November 1992, two ABC News producers obtained jobs at Food Lion grocery stores in North and South Carolina by submitting applications with false references, misrepresenting their educational and employment experiences on their rosumos and omitting
    their current employment with the network. ABC broadcasted a report on oPrimeTime Liveo alleging that Food LionAs meat department at those
    stores required employees to engage in unsafe, unhealthy or illegal
    practices, including selling old meat that was washed with bleach to
    kill odor, [and then dying it red so it looks nice, Micky] selling
    cheese that had been gnawed by rats and working off the time clock." https://www.rcfp.org/journals/news-media-and-law-spring-2012/landmark-food-lion-case/

    A little after that time, I bought chicken from them and when I got
    home, it smelled bad, the same day. Only time in my life. So for 20
    years I haven't bought meat from them, but I relented last June and I
    see that they are now about 40% cheaper than 2 or 3 other supermarkets
    and I've seen them mark meat down when there are still 3 days left
    before the sell-by date, which Food Lion itself determined. Is this
    really the result of what hhappened in 1992? Hard to believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_Lion#Primetime_Live_controversy
    The company responded by suing ABC for fraud, claiming that the ABC
    employees misrepresented themselves; for trespassing, because the ABC
    employees came on to Food Lion property without permission; and for
    breach of duty of loyalty, because the ABC employees videotaped
    nonpublic areas of the store and revealed internal company information.
    During the court battles between Food Lion and ABC, over 40 hours of
    unused footage were released that helped Food Lion's case. In the unused footage, two undercover producers are seen trying to encourage
    violations of company policy; however, employees resisted and correctly followed sanitary practices.[43]

    Food Lion was awarded US$5.5 million by a jury in 1997. The award was
    later reduced by a judge to $316,000. The verdict was then largely
    overturned by the U.S. Court of Appeals Fourth Circuit in Richmond,
    Virginia. According to the court: even though ABC was wrong to do what
    they had done, Food Lion was not suing for defamation, but rather for
    tort as a way to get around the strict First Amendment standards for defamation. Food Lion did this because the company was not contesting
    the truth of anything ABC reported in the broadcast.[44] However, the
    appellate court upheld the finding that the producers involved breached
    their duty of loyalty as employees to Food Lion, and had trespassed,
    awarding a nominal $2 fine.[45]

    I'm glad to hear it. I think lying to get a job in a place that is
    painting the meat red is okay. (Out of context, this would say
    "painting the meat red is okay.)

    An example here, at a ridiculous price...
    This used to be only a couple bucks a bottle, because large quantities
    of this are made for farmers. This is expensive enough, a four liter
    bottle would be worth as much as an analytical grade bottle of the chemical.

    https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/900mL-Ammonia-All-Purpose-Cleaner/PRD2OQYVRDZRBCB

    Well that is expensive but try this: https://www.instacart.com/store/giant/products/3192675
    To make a great mirror and window cleaner, mix 1/2 cup ammonia, 2 cups isopropyl rubbing alcohol, 1 tsp. Liquid dish detergent, 3-1/4 quarts of
    water.

    The Windex includes surfactants (like a detergent), so that may be
    why it is working in this case. It's hard to say what part of the
    Windex is most effective. Then the question would be, what kind of
    residues does it leave behind, and would those residues affect
    the ink pumping action (change drop size).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

    This is why I prefer pure chemicals, to make it easier to predict
    an outcome. Ammonia is a pretty good cleaner (as I used to make
    my own bottles of window cleaner here). Even without surfactants,
    it cleans glass nicely. The bottle sez "attacks aluminum and copper".

    And one of the pages above says varnish too.

    I don't remember any attacks as such.

    Don't breathe ammonia vapors in, as it's bad for your lung lining.

    Okay.

    *******

    The prices on the bazaar selling sites for chemicals, is
    just ridiculous. The last bottle of IPA I bought, was
    probably three or four times the proper price. The stores
    are having a field day, when you know the factory making the
    chemical is not jacking the price like that. Only the
    retailer is raping the public. The middle men are driving Lambos.

    Paul

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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jan 17 12:18:25 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    On 2023-01-17 06:16, micky wrote:
    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:12:51 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 1/15/2023 11:19 AM, micky wrote:


    An example here, at a ridiculous price...
    This used to be only a couple bucks a bottle, because large quantities
    of this are made for farmers. This is expensive enough, a four liter
    bottle would be worth as much as an analytical grade bottle of the chemical. >>
    https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/900mL-Ammonia-All-Purpose-Cleaner/PRD2OQYVRDZRBCB

    Well that is expensive but try this: https://www.instacart.com/store/giant/products/3192675
    To make a great mirror and window cleaner, mix 1/2 cup ammonia, 2 cups isopropyl rubbing alcohol, 1 tsp. Liquid dish detergent, 3-1/4 quarts of water.

    That site will not open unless you login.

    But yes, that's what I use fo the car glass "water", in different
    proportions. Or in bottles.

    Only that I use distilled water. Or water out of a dehumidifier.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Ken Blake@Ken@invalid.news.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jan 17 08:48:08 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 23:44:44 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:
    In comp.periphs.printers, on Sun, 15 Jan 2023 13:51:14 -0700, "winston" ><winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    "micky" wrote in message news:hb88sh1sj4kas1f326dg8d5dlj5iij3shm@4ax.com... >>>
    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Normally, no.
    Most printers have code to verify/check the installed consumable(ink >>cartridge - type/brand/color/etc) before ok'ing for use.
    Until corrected, the printer doesn't/may not work.

    This one doesn't check for Brother brand ink. It asks if I put magenta
    into the red slot, but I don't know what happens if I say No. Maybe it's
    just a reminder. There are a couple situations when one would want to
    use the wrong color.
    I don't own a color printer these days, but over the years I've owned
    a few.
    I can't imagine wanting to use a wrong color. If I did, I would edit
    what I wanted to print, rather than fooling around with the printer.
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  • From Carlos E.R.@robin_listas@es.invalid to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jan 17 23:22:27 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    On 2023-01-17 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
    I can't imagine wanting to use a wrong color. If I did, I would edit
    what I wanted to print, rather than fooling around with the printer.

    Apparently the purpose is to unclog the head, not printing.
    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From micky@NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Wed Jan 18 11:42:00 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    In comp.periphs.printers, on Tue, 17 Jan 2023 00:16:29 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

    However, the
    appellate court upheld the finding that the producers involved breached
    their duty of loyalty as employees to Food Lion,

    I didn't read every word carefully . Is there a "duty of loyalty" to employers?

    Wow, there is! Among other things, the duty of loyalty includes an
    employee's duty not to act or to agree to act during the period of his employment for persons whose interests conflict with those of the
    employer in matters for which the employee is employed. Restatement
    (Second) of Agency o 394 . https://www.wolfbaldwin.com/articles/employment-articles/an-employees-duty-of-loyalty-to-an-employer/
    Just a law firm's opinion but i'm sure they're mostly right.

    I used to work as a 'consultant" and then a "contractor", as a computer programmer, and I always felt more loyal to the client than my actual
    employer, because the client needed the work, paid for the work, and I
    spent much more time with them, and got to like them. It never
    happened. and there were no issues, but if there had been, I can see how
    easily I would have ratted out my employer to the client. I guess I
    would have been liable in a law suit.

    A bigger issue might be the public. Again, there were no issues
    involving the public, but many jobs have them.

    I should read the link above in case I ever go back to work again.


    and had trespassed,
    awarding a nominal $2 fine.[45]

    I'm glad to hear it. I think lying to get a job in a place that is >painting the meat red is okay. (Out of context, this would say
    "painting the meat red is okay.)

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  • From Jonathan N. Little@lws4art@gmail.com to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.periphs.printers,alt.comp.os.windows-11 on Tue Jan 24 14:23:00 2023
    From Newsgroup: comp.periphs.printers

    micky wrote:
    OT Can you use the wrong color cartridge in an inkjet printer?

    Can I print or clean with a yellow cartridge where the red should be?

    <snip>

    Often they won't print with the *correct* cartridge! ;-) The industry
    has managed to 'destroy' the inkjet printer IMHO, I have use inkjets
    since my first DeskJet 550C, but found their reliably sucks so badly now
    I only use lasers.

    My opinion aside, the short answer is 'no'. The color cartridges are
    both mechanically keyed and electronically key with their embedded
    chips. This will prevent you from inserting for example a CYAN cartridge
    in the MAGENTA slot.
    --
    Take care,

    Jonathan
    -------------------
    LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
    http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
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