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I am using an OS/2 Lan Server 3.0 installation in a virtual machine. At some point it started exhibiting this rather strange behaviour: whenever I activate the window menu (Alt-Space or by clicking), select any of its entries (using keyboard or mouse) or click on one of the launchpad buttons I hear the typical "warning beep".
Has anybody got an idea what the reason for this could be? Also any hint on how I can fix this behaviour?
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On 10/3/19 4:52 PM, Martin Dietze wrote:

I am using an OS/2 Lan Server 3.0 installation in a virtual machine. At
some point it started exhibiting this rather strange behaviour:
whenever I activate the window menu (Alt-Space or by clicking),
select any of its entries (using keyboard or mouse) or click on one
of the launchpad buttons I hear the typical "warning beep".

Has anybody got an idea what the reason for this could be? Also any
hint on how I can fix this behaviour?

I have no idea if it's related or not, but I've noticed something not completely dissimilar.

I've found that if I focus on a VM (running Linux) and then remove the
focus, without properly releasing the keyboard (?) I end up with a
spurious beep 1rCo5 minutes later.

I've only noticed this in the last year or so.

I'm using VirtualBox running on Linux. What hypervisor are you using?
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On 10/03/19 03:52 PM, Martin Dietze wrote:

I am using an OS/2 Lan Server 3.0 installation in a virtual machine. At some point it started exhibiting this rather strange behaviour: whenever I activate the window menu (Alt-Space or by clicking), select any of its entries (using keyboard or mouse) or click on one of the launchpad buttons I hear the typical "warning beep".

Has anybody got an idea what the reason for this could be? Also any hint on how I can fix this behaviour?

A couple of possibilities, something crashing, look in popuplog.os2 in
the root of your boot volume.
You're using Danis506.add and have a failing hard drive and it beeps
when there's a problem with reading/writing the drive.
Probably something else but the 1st is easy to check and the second is
more scary
Dave
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Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 04:27:08 UTC+2 schrieb Grant Taylor:

I've only noticed this in the last year or so.

I'm using VirtualBox running on Linux. What hypervisor are you using?

I am using VMWare Fusion on a Mac. Interestingly that behaviour started at some point, and I can't recall having changed anything.
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Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 04:34:28 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

A couple of possibilities, something crashing, look in popuplog.os2 in
the root of your boot volume.

Thank you, that's a good one, but it does not contain any entries more recent than a year old.

You're using Danis506.add and have a failing hard drive and it beeps
when there's a problem with reading/writing the drive.

No, I'm not using it. Also since I'm in a VM I don't think hardware problems are very likely :)
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On 10/04/19 07:07 AM, Martin Dietze wrote:

Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 04:34:28 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

A couple of possibilities, something crashing, look in popuplog.os2 in
the root of your boot volume.

Thank you, that's a good one, but it does not contain any entries more recent than a year old.

You're using Danis506.add and have a failing hard drive and it beeps
when there's a problem with reading/writing the drive.

No, I'm not using it. Also since I'm in a VM I don't think hardware problems are very likely :)

OK. You ever clean your INI files? Look at https://ecsoft2.org/wptools
Dave
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Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 17:39:19 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

OK. You ever clean your INI files? Look at https://ecsoft2.org/wptools

Thank you, I haven't done that for ages. checkini found quite a few things to correct, but this did not solve the beep problem.

Not sure whether this helps, but I have tried out a few things and observed that the beep I keep getting is lower and longer than the beep that I can configure in the "warning beep" in the system setup.
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Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 18:07:47 UTC+2 schrieb Martin Dietze:

Not sure whether this helps, but I have tried out a few things and observed that the beep I keep getting is lower and longer than the beep that I can configure in the "warning beep" in the system setup.

Plus: I get this will all native PM menus, e.g. a program's menu bar at every click.
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 17:38:29 UTC, Martin Dietze <mdietze@gmail.com>
wrote:

Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 18:07:47 UTC+2 schrieb Martin Dietze:

Not sure whether this helps, but I have tried out a few things and observed that the beep I keep getting is lower and longer than the beep that I can configure in the "warning beep" in the system setup.

Plus: I get this will all native PM menus, e.g. a program's menu bar at every click.

Do you have system sounds en- or disabled (System Setup -> Sound) ?
The sound which you hear in your VM just might be crippled to a
beeping noise?
The sounds snippets "out-of-the-box" have sampling rates of 22050 or
even 11025 only. Try if 'sox.exe' to rate 44100 would help.
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Am Freitag, 4. Oktober 2019 21:34:07 UTC+2 schrieb LSoens:

Do you have system sounds en- or disabled (Syst. em Setup -> Sound) ?

I had already tried completely disabling them. This made no difference. Apart from that sound does not work in the VM anyway (I can check that by trying to play the different system sounds).

The sound which you hear in your VM just might be crippled to a
beeping noise?

I think I can rule that out. It is pretty much the warning sound that you usually get when the system has some problem

The sounds snippets "out-of-the-box" have sampling rates of 22050 or
even 11025 only. Try if 'sox.exe' to rate 44100 would help.

Not sure I understand this. I guess this only makes sense if I have sound on my system, right?
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On 10/04/19 01:29 PM, Martin Dietze wrote:

The sounds snippets "out-of-the-box" have sampling rates of 22050 or
even 11025 only. Try if 'sox.exe' to rate 44100 would help.

Not sure I understand this. I guess this only makes sense if I have sound on my system, right?

Exactly, some USB audio adapters really don't like the low sampled sounds.
Dave
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Am Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 08:38:20 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

Exactly, some USB audio adapters really don't like the low sampled sounds.

I've given this a try, but no effect. As mentioned already, I have no sound in my VM. To my knowledge sound in an OS/2 guest with VMWare under MacOS generally does not work. When I try to play a wav file for instance, I get the usual "not supported" dialog along with the usual warning tone (shorter, higher pitch), not the one I get with every click on a menu.
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Am Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 11:35:56 UTC+2 schrieb Martin Dietze:

When I try to play a wav file for instance, I get the usual "not supported" dialog along with the usual warning tone (shorter, higher pitch), not the one I get with every click on a menu.

I need to correct myself here. It is actually a sequence: first the lower pitch, longer beep, then the shorter, higher pitch warning beep.

I have captured a screen video demonstrating what happens including the tones I am getting. Maybe this helps (or at least avoids misunderstandings): https://drive.google.com/file/d/12pDXED66GWbc3FVK-OL2AqzQ6FkH-UTl/view?usp=sharing
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Yet another reply to myself: I took a snapshot and removed MMOS2 entirely. After that the beep was still there. I think that pretty much proves that the problem is not related to sound drivers or anything else multimedia-related.
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Hi Martin

Martin Dietze wrote:

Yet another reply to myself: I took a snapshot and removed MMOS2 entirely. After that the beep was still there. I think that pretty much proves that the problem is not related to sound drivers or anything else multimedia-related.

Does/Can your VM generate any log files? - might give a clue to the problem.


Regards

Pete
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Am Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 19:35:01 UTC+2 schrieb Pete:

Does/Can your VM generate any log files? - might give a clue to the problem.

There's the usual vmware.log file for the VM, but it does not contain any hint.
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On 10/05/19 03:33 AM, Martin Dietze wrote:

Am Samstag, 5. Oktober 2019 11:35:56 UTC+2 schrieb Martin Dietze:

When I try to play a wav file for instance, I get the usual "not supported" dialog along with the usual warning tone (shorter, higher pitch), not the one I get with every click on a menu.

I need to correct myself here. It is actually a sequence: first the lower pitch, longer beep, then the shorter, higher pitch warning beep.

I have captured a screen video demonstrating what happens including the tones I am getting. Maybe this helps (or at least avoids misunderstandings): https://drive.google.com/file/d/12pDXED66GWbc3FVK-OL2AqzQ6FkH-UTl/view?usp=sharing

That is a weird beep. If I understand correctly, this only happens when
using the mouse to open a menu? Not, for example, using ALT-F to open
the file menu.
If so, you might want to try changing your mouse driver. You're likely
using the default smouse driver that is included with OS/2, perhaps try installing amouse and see if that changes behaviour. Great thing about
virtual machines is how easy it is to take a snapshot and revert if needed. Dave
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Am Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 05:54:01 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

That is a weird beep. If I understand correctly, this only happens when using the mouse to open a menu? Not, for example, using ALT-F to open
the file menu.

No, it also happens, when I use the keyboard.
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 06:37:08 UTC, Martin Dietze <mdietze@gmail.com>
wrote:

Am Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 05:54:01 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

That is a weird beep. If I understand correctly, this only happens when using the mouse to open a menu? Not, for example, using ALT-F to open
the file menu.

No, it also happens, when I use the keyboard.

Can you set up another small VM - just the system - to see what
happens? And give the VM PS/2 mouse and keyboard, not USB-.
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Am Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 11:59:17 UTC+2 schrieb LSoens:

Can you set up another small VM - just the system - to see what
happens? And give the VM PS/2 mouse and keyboard, not USB-.

With a clean install I don't have that beep. The existing installation is configured for PS/2 mouse and keyboard already.
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On 05.10.19 08.38, Dave Yeo wrote:

On 10/04/19 01:29 PM, Martin Dietze wrote:

The sounds snippets "out-of-the-box" have sampling rates of 22050 or
even 11025 only. Try if 'sox.exe' to rate 44100 would help.

Not sure I understand this. I guess this only makes sense if I have
sound on my system, right?

Exactly, some USB audio adapters really don't like the low sampled sounds. Dave

That's why our USB audio drivers do automatic sample rate, bit depth and channel (mono/stereo) conversion.
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Am Sonntag, 6. Oktober 2019 20:06:38 UTC+2 schrieb Lars Erdmann:

Exactly, some USB audio adapters really don't like the low sampled sounds. Dave

That's why our USB audio drivers do automatic sample rate, bit depth and channel (mono/stereo) conversion.

Not sure if I understand you correctly here. The installation doing those funny beeps uses PS/2 mouse and keyboard, not USB. Since it's a VM installation, I don't use USB at all, not sure whether it is even configured. Also the problem started occurring at some point after install it had been fine.
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Another few things I have tried now:

1. boot from floppy, regenerate os2.ini and os2sys.ini, no effect.

2. boot from floppy, rename all directories where I had software installed, no effect.

3. Uninstalled MMOS2, no effect.

I'm getting to the point of thinking that there simply must be some corrupted system file somewhere. Just very annoying that there doesn't seem to be a way to identify it.
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On 10/07/19 05:37 AM, Martin Dietze wrote:

I'm getting to the point of thinking that there simply must be some corrupted system file somewhere. Just very annoying that there doesn't seem to be a way to identify it.

IIRC, VMware doesn't officially support OS/2. Did your VMWare install
get updated at some point? I believe there are utilities to migrate the virtual machine to VirtualBox, might be an interesting test.
What's weird is the actual beep, which isn't the system beep/bell
Dave
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Am Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2019 00:02:44 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

IIRC, VMware doesn't officially support OS/2. Did your VMWare install
get updated at some point?

Yes, several times, I usually go with VMWare's upgrades.

I believe there are utilities to migrate the
virtual machine to VirtualBox, might be an interesting test.
What's weird is the actual beep, which isn't the system beep/bell

I actually did this, but later realised that there is no support for the PC speaker on a MacOS host anyway: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/627


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Hi

Martin Dietze wrote:

Am Dienstag, 8. Oktober 2019 00:02:44 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Yeo:

IIRC, VMware doesn't officially support OS/2. Did your VMWare install
get updated at some point?

Yes, several times, I usually go with VMWare's upgrades.

If the problem did not exist prior to a VMWare update there is a chance
that the update(s) introduced the problem.

Is it possible to backlevel those updates to check?


Regards

Pete

I believe there are utilities to migrate the
virtual machine to VirtualBox, might be an interesting test.
What's weird is the actual beep, which isn't the system beep/bell

I actually did this, but later realised that there is no support for the PC speaker on a MacOS host anyway: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/627

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Am Mittwoch, 9. Oktober 2019 01:15:40 UTC+2 schrieb Pete:

If the problem did not exist prior to a VMWare update there is a chance
that the update(s) introduced the problem.

Is it possible to backlevel those updates to check?

Regards

I can't really pin it down to a particular update because I don't use the VM every day, actually I had not been using it for a while. What I have already done is try out the different compatibility options. In VMWare you can set particular versions if you have problems. But all this did not have any effect.
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