Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in
fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it.
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was
not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper.
ANY excuse to dump it.
Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my old
wire is wrapped in dense vines that intertwine with
my power transformer and the utility is NOT interested
in dealing with that despite the friendly BS on
their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not
very friendly to new cables either - concrete and
real wood and uncertain electric routing.
c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in
fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it.
The minute that BT offers to swap my copper for fibre, I'll snap their
arm off.-a They were repairing the duct outside my house until 9pm last night, so hopefully we're getting close now ...
What has really made a difference is not the speed. It is the pure reliability. Yes now and again a route flap will stop internet for a few tens of seconds but my link to the ISP itself has NEVER failed.
On 24/09/2026 06:42, c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, wasNot exactly surprising
not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper.
ANY excuse to dump it.
Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my old wire is wrappedI fail to see how that affects fibre deployment
in dense vines that intertwine with my power transformer and the
utility is NOT interested in dealing with that despite the friendly
BS on their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not very
friendly to new cables either - concrete and real wood and uncertain
electric routing.
All they need to do is place a fibre to your premises and provide some
form of termination kit on it inside the house at some point that needs power and is equipped with Ethernet.
No wires beyond that are involved
Fibre is quite easy to place on new poles, or underground, depending on which works well
Using cellular technology for internet is at best a temporary bodge.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/09/2026 06:42, c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, wasNot exactly surprising
not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper.
ANY excuse to dump it.
It's the end result of the US FCC allowing the local "bells" to
decomission their analog copper systems. I also pointed this out to
speed of light some months ago when he was arguing he was never going
to let go of his copper, and at the time speed of light guy (as usual) refused to listen or understand.
Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my old wire is wrappedI fail to see how that affects fibre deployment
in dense vines that intertwine with my power transformer and the
utility is NOT interested in dealing with that despite the friendly
BS on their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not very
friendly to new cables either - concrete and real wood and uncertain
electric routing.
It does not have anything at all to do with it. But it's "speed of
light", he hallucinates reasons at about the rate all of the AI's do.
All they need to do is place a fibre to your premises and provide some
form of termination kit on it inside the house at some point that needs
power and is equipped with Ethernet.
And neither concrete nor "real wood" will deter the installer. They
will simply get out their hammer drill, and their carbide bit, and
drill through whatever they need to drill through to get the fiber
inside to the in house dmarc.
No wires beyond that are involved
Fibre is quite easy to place on new poles, or underground, depending on
which works well
Using cellular technology for internet is at best a temporary bodge.
Sadly, given the sparseness of much of the rural US, a "cellular bridge
box" is what the "bells" managed to regulatory capture talk the FCC
into allowing them to use as a replacement for the 100 year old analog
copper phone wiring when they decomission the copper. Plus the box
he's talking about does not do internet, it's an FCC approved substitute
for POTS phone service.
On 24/09/2026 06:42, c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, wasNot exactly surprising
not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper.
ANY excuse to dump it.
Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my oldI fail to see how that affects fibre deployment
wire is wrapped in dense vines that intertwine with
my power transformer and the utility is NOT interested
in dealing with that despite the friendly BS on
their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not
very friendly to new cables either - concrete and
real wood and uncertain electric routing.
All they need to do is place a fibre to your premises and provide some
form of termination kit on it inside the house at some point that needs power and is equipped with Ethernet.
No wires beyond that are involved
Fibre is quite easy to place on new poles, or underground, depending on which works well
Using cellular technology for internet is at best a temporary bodge.
You would be better off with Skylink
c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, was not interested in
fixing them. They HATE copper. ANY excuse to dump it.
The minute that BT offers to swap my copper for fibre, I'll snap their
arm off.-a They were repairing the duct outside my house until 9pm last night, so hopefully we're getting close now ...
On 24/09/2026 06:42, c186282 wrote:
Old wires went bad - and ATT, not unexpectedly, wasNot exactly surprising
not interested in fixing them. They HATE copper.
ANY excuse to dump it.
Fiber ... well ... they ain't gonna because my oldI fail to see how that affects fibre deployment
wire is wrapped in dense vines that intertwine with
my power transformer and the utility is NOT interested
in dealing with that despite the friendly BS on
their web site. Electrocution hazard. My house is not
very friendly to new cables either - concrete and
real wood and uncertain electric routing.
All they need to do is place a fibre to your premises and provide some
form of termination kit on it inside the house at some point that needs power and is equipped with Ethernet.
No wires beyond that are involved
Fibre is quite easy to place on new poles, or underground, depending on which works wel
Using cellular technology for internet is at best a temporary bodge.
You would be better off with Skylink
No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have
-a engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer.
On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote:
No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have
-a engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer.
Why would you think fibre would take the same route?
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote:
No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have
-a engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer.
Why would you think fibre would take the same route?
Because like an AI, "speed of light" hallucinates an incorrect reason
and in his case then sticks to it through thick and thin.
Too old to climb ladders now, would have to hire a handyman.
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th/id/OIP.Eaisjt38SW0Nov_rBfArdwHaFL
On 27/09/2026 02:32, c186282 wrote:
On 9/26/26 04:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:underground?
On 26/09/2026 05:08, c186282 wrote:
No fiber for me ... nasty dense vines have
-a-a engulfed the phone line AND my power transformer.
Why would you think fibre would take the same route?
-a-a Only semi-clear way into the property.
And the POWER corp is, eventually, planning
-a to underground.
-a I can just see a MASSIVE nasty short circuit
-a under my house .......
-a And six MONTHS without power OR comms. Would
-a have to live in a hotel and find some ways
-a to FAKE habitation to deter thieves.
Hammered a stick in the ground and told the excavator man to 'dig there'
Well he had already DUG there, that was in fact the problem...
[...]
-a And the POWER corp is, eventually, planning
-a to underground.
-a I can just see a MASSIVE nasty short circuit
-a under my house .......
-a And six MONTHS without power OR comms. Would
-a have to live in a hotel and find some ways
-a to FAKE habitation to deter thieves.
-a Look, these big corps DON'T CARE about
-a their customers anymore.
On Sun, 27 Sep 2026 08:38:04 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Now who is being negative about people...
Hammered a stick in the ground and told the excavator man to 'dig there'
Well he had already DUG there, that was in fact the problem...
I worked for a contractor for a couple of months. Rather than call before digging his instructions to the backhoe operator were to keep digging; he would call if any cables were dug up.
It was a valuable experience. I learned how to cut every corner in the
book and wind up with a salable house. A fireplace and hardwood floors
would entice the naive buyers. They would discover the trout pond in the basement and the leach field laid in a swamp at some future date.
Now who is being negative about people...
On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Now who is being negative about people...
Overall I tilt towards a negative assessment of my fellow man. They're
human, all too human, and are easily distracted by shiny objects.
On 9/28/26 13:33, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 28 Sep 2026 08:58:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Now who is being negative about people...
Overall I tilt towards a negative assessment of my fellow man. They're
human, all too human, and are easily distracted by shiny objects.
-a And, of course, YOU aren't .......-a :-)
-a MANY things 'shine'.
-a Suggest a more 'holistic' view of yer "fellow man"
-a and the "human condition".
-a Sorry, being a comp/OS guru is NOT the pinnacle
-a of human existence. Oft USEFUL, but not the Big
-a Picture.
-a One of the traditional virtues is "humility",
-a a lack of hubris.
-a Just sayin' dude.
-a Better life for all in that. Whether IQ 90 or
-a IQ 190, we all have our unique, randomly
-a useful, skill/experience sets.
-a Be nice.
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