The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're tech-savvy. Bear
that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-found-a-weakness-in-one-of-the-worlds-most-studied-encryption-systems-is-your-data-under-threat[...]
The news of defective 'post-quantum' encryption IS
a serious concern. We were all COUNTING on this for
the near future.
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
On 08/08/2026 08:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:The problem is that the sort of unfulfilled personality that prefers
The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
looking at his bank account rather than a placid trout lake, that wants
to be seen to be something because they have zero self esteem, that
thinks that lying cheating bullying stealing and blackmail is 'just business' is exactly the sort of cunt that gets attracted to politics
and big business.
JUST the same way that paedophiles get attracted to working in schools,
the scouts or running the church choir...
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
On Sat, 08 Aug 2026 07:03:06 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're tech-savvy. Bear
that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself. Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
Well it's sort of been that way since bankers, lawyers, and wealthy
merchants wrote the constitution behind closed doors.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/ai-found-a-weakness-in-one-of-the-worlds-most-studied-encryption-systems-is-your-data-under-threat[...]
The news of defective 'post-quantum' encryption IS
a serious concern. We were all COUNTING on this for
the near future.
I donrCOt think thererCOs much to be concerned about here, quite the opposite: the evaluation process is working as it should. Absolutely
nobody was counting on HAWK yet.
Daniel SimonrCOs work on DCP, with applications to LWE-based schemes, is a more interesting one, though the sky is not falling there either.
On 08/08/2026 08:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:The problem is that the sort of unfulfilled personality that prefers
-a-a-a The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
-a-a-a tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself.-a Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
looking at his bank account rather than a placid trout lake, that wants
to be seen to be something because they have zero self esteem, that
thinks that lying cheating bullying stealing and blackmail is 'just business' is exactly the sort of cunt that gets attracted to politics
and big business.
We may see a "3-AES" show up in a few years, a way of adding more
CPU time (QP time?) to cracking anything. Like 3-DES that approach
does work, for awhile.
Well it's sort of been that way since bankers, lawyers, and wealthy
merchants wrote the constitution behind closed doors.
-a They were the only ones who could read and write
-a worth a damn EfOe
-a Oh, and their skills and money were VERY important
-a in jump-starting the new country. It HAD to be them.
-a DO try to skip the neo-commie propaganda mill ...
-a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support
-a a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is
-a Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to
-a fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots
-a can scream about it.
On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
-a-a-a The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
-a-a-a tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself.-a Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
-a Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile.
-a The rich become poor and the poor become rich
-a too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain
-a a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe
-a with its more rigid/established classes.
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class entrenchment
in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am intimately familar
with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other) that they have high
social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
In any case, the USA is too volatile to support
a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is
Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to
fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots
can scream about it.
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditionalLOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
-a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
-a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream
-a about it.
On 2026-08-09, Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote:
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class entrenchment
in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am intimately familar
with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other) that they have high
social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a new business in most of
Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
In one sense, though, the USA has achieved a classless society.
Their president, for instance, has no class at all.
The thing about the "American Dream" [tm] is that
the concept is easily corrupted into the pursuit of
the almighty dollar, and the useful idiots actually
believe that if they make the rich richer then the
rich will look after them and make them rich too.
This has come to be known as the "trickle-down"
theory of economics, but it has a flaw: much of
what trickles down is yellow. That's why the
ones at the bottom are called "peons".
Occasionally, what trickles down is brown instead;
this is known as the "shit flows downhill" theory.
In any event, the rich soon recognize that the
trickle, whatever it is, represents a leak (i.e.
loss of assets), and said leaks are eventually
stopped. They want to have 100% of everything.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditionalLOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
-a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
-a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> -a about it.
I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditional
-a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
-a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> -a about it.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
LOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work to do ->ro|_(paa)_ro+->).
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditionalLOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
-a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
-a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>> -a about it.
I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
On 2026-08-08 17:54, c186282 wrote:
On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
-a-a-a The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
-a-a-a tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself.-a Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
-a-a Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile.
-a-a The rich become poor and the poor become rich
-a-a too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain
-a-a a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe
-a-a with its more rigid/established classes.
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class entrenchment
in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am intimately familar
with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other) that they have high
social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
On 2026-08-09, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
In any case, the USA is too volatile to support
a traditional 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is
Russian-sponsored propaganda designed to
fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots
can scream about it.
Whatever. The rich get richer regardless, and
"oligarch" seems as appropriate a term as any.
10.08.2026 00:07, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a -a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditionalLOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
-a -a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda
-a -a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>>> -a -a about it.
I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
to do ->ro|_(paa)_ro+->).
On 8/9/26 10:10, Lars Poulsen wrote:
On 2026-08-08 17:54, c186282 wrote:
On 8/8/26 03:03, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-08-08, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
-a-a-a The USA/west DO have serious enemies - and they're
-a-a-a tech-savvy. Bear that in mind.
Some of them are in the USA itself.-a Can you say "tech oligarchs"?
Unless you define "USA" as the oligarchs themselves, of course.
-a-a Nah, USA isn't that 'simple' - and too volatile.
-a-a The rich become poor and the poor become rich
-a-a too easily, too often, in the USA to sustain
-a-a a traditional oligarchy. It's easier in Europe
-a-a with its more rigid/established classes.
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class
entrenchment in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am
intimately familar with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other)
that they have high social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a
new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
-a The UK is still probably THE worst in the
-a vicinity about 'class'. You're either "born
-a to" whatever or you'll get squeezed out,
-a never be seen as a real "peer".
-a It MAY be easier to start a biz in the EU. Never
-a looked into the details. However I do keep seeing
-a news from the EU about smaller biz collapsing
-a under huge tax and regulatory burdens. So "start",
-a maybe easier, "keep", not so much.
-a And you don't have to own a biz to "get ahead".
-a Just don't spend every coin you earn as fast as
-a you earn it. Persistence in a large biz tends
-a to pay off as well - alas Gen-Z/A2 don't seem
-a to GRASP that. If they're not CEO in six months
-a they jump ship and start over, and over, and over ...
-a Anyway, USA is about "opportunity" - IF you can
-a spot it. The original "old money" crowd is pretty
-a weak and thus things change fast.
-a "Old money" - grandpa MAKES it, the kids SURF
-a on it and the grand-kids BLOW it all. That's
-a the normal cycle in USA.
On 10/08/2026 01:28, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
10.08.2026 00:07, rbowman wrote:Especially if they are the only ones left alive...How many million are now dead or disabled from the war?
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 13:25:52 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:A loud minority will always outshout a quiet majority (which have a work to do ->ro|_(paa)_ro+->).
On 09/08/2026 02:18, c186282 wrote:
-a -a In any case, the USA is too volatile to support a traditionalLOL! fish cant see the water they live in, either.
-a -a 'oligarchy'. Most of that talk is Russian-sponsored propaganda >>>>> -a -a designed to fabricate an 'enemy within' so useful idiots can scream >>>>> -a -a about it.
I think there are many Russians who don't believe the US sponsored
propaganda about how shitty their lives are.
On 8/9/26 10:10, Lars Poulsen wrote:
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class
entrenchment in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am
intimately familar with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other)
that they have high social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a
new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge reason.
-a The UK is still probably THE worst in the
-a vicinity about 'class'. You're either "born
-a to" whatever or you'll get squeezed out,
-a never be seen as a real "peer".
-a It MAY be easier to start a biz in the EU. Never
-a looked into the details. However I do keep seeing
-a news from the EU about smaller biz collapsing
-a under huge tax and regulatory burdens. So "start",
-a maybe easier, "keep", not so much.
-a And you don't have to own a biz to "get ahead".
-a Just don't spend every coin you earn as fast as
-a you earn it. Persistence in a large biz tends
-a to pay off as well - alas Gen-Z/A2 don't seem
-a to GRASP that. If they're not CEO in six months
-a they jump ship and start over, and over, and over ...
-a Anyway, USA is about "opportunity" - IF you can
-a spot it. The original "old money" crowd is pretty
-a weak and thus things change fast.
-a "Old money" - grandpa MAKES it, the kids SURF
-a on it and the grand-kids BLOW it all. That's
-a the normal cycle in USA.
Also, US law - or at least its implementation - has been distorted
to where "business friendly" is understood as "big business
friendly" to the detriment of small businesses.
Of course, a regulator can only be trusted with such power if it is seen
to be politically independent. In the US, everything is politicized, so
there is no chance of this.
On Tue, 11 Aug 2026 00:01:59 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
Of course, a regulator can only be trusted with such power if it is seen
to be politically independent. In the US, everything is politicized, so
there is no chance of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture
The bearings of the revolving door are kept well greased.
On 8/9/26 10:10, Lars Poulsen wrote:On 2026-08-09 20:59, c186282 wrote:
As an immigrant from Europe (Denmark) I see much more class
entrenchment in the USA than in the parts of Europe that I am
intimately familar with. Americans TELL themselves (or each other)
that they have high social mobility, but it is FAR easier to start a
new business in most of Europe. Universal health care is one huge
reason.
-a-a The UK is still probably THE worst in the
-a-a vicinity about 'class'. You're either "born
-a-a to" whatever or you'll get squeezed out,
-a-a never be seen as a real "peer".
-a-a It MAY be easier to start a biz in the EU. Never
-a-a looked into the details. However I do keep seeing
-a-a news from the EU about smaller biz collapsing
-a-a under huge tax and regulatory burdens. So "start",
-a-a maybe easier, "keep", not so much.
-a-a And you don't have to own a biz to "get ahead".
-a-a Just don't spend every coin you earn as fast as
-a-a you earn it. Persistence in a large biz tends
-a-a to pay off as well - alas Gen-Z/A2 don't seem
-a-a to GRASP that. If they're not CEO in six months
-a-a they jump ship and start over, and over, and over ...
-a-a Anyway, USA is about "opportunity" - IF you can
-a-a spot it. The original "old money" crowd is pretty
-a-a weak and thus things change fast.
-a-a "Old money" - grandpa MAKES it, the kids SURF
-a-a on it and the grand-kids BLOW it all. That's
-a-a the normal cycle in USA.
That used to be the story, but it is much less so. It is now quite easy
for the older generation to protect the wealth and avoid taxation.
Not only are inheritance taxes all but abolished, but once you have
enough wealth, you do not even pay income taxes in the accumulation
phase: Borrow to spend ... and then there is a "tax-free basis step-up"
upon inheritance.
Also, US law - or at least its implementation - has been distorted to
where "business friendly" is understood as "big business friendly" to
the detriment of small businesses. At least in the Nordics, government programs favor mom-and-pop businesses and startups.
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer equation
???
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer equation
???
The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
Is
a business that depends on arbitrage a business? How much of the current economy depends on usury in one form or the other.
On 8/15/26 03:27, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer
equation ???
The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
ALL, no. LOTS and LOTS, yes.
It's ALL "usury" - always HAS been. IMHO it always WILL be, depending
on yer chosen defs.
On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 23:06:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/15/26 03:27, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer
equation ???
The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
ALL, no. LOTS and LOTS, yes.
While there is always luck involved the more capable, provident farmers survived. Today, to extend the metaphor, half of the provident farmer's
crop would be confiscated to support his neighbor who is incompetent or
too lazy to bother to plow, sow, and reap.
On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 23:06:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/15/26 03:27, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer
equation ???
The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
ALL, no. LOTS and LOTS, yes.
While there is always luck involved the more capable, provident farmers survived. Today, to extend the metaphor, half of the provident farmer's
crop would be confiscated to support his neighbor who is incompetent or
too lazy to bother to plow, sow, and reap.
It's ALL "usury" - always HAS been. IMHO it always WILL be, depending
on yer chosen defs.
You have a strange definition of usury.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/54319/canto-xlv
Dante put usurers in the 7th circle of hell, along with blasphemers and
those who sin against nature. That presumably would include the officials
on the WNBA who aren't sure what a woman is.
On 2026-08-16, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 23:06:22 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/15/26 03:27, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 14 Aug 2026 23:51:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Or are you looking for some kind of medieval starving-farmer
equation ???
The fact that Usenet exists suggests that not all the farmers starved.
ALL, no. LOTS and LOTS, yes.
While there is always luck involved the more capable, provident farmers
survived. Today, to extend the metaphor, half of the provident farmer's
crop would be confiscated to support his neighbor who is incompetent or
too lazy to bother to plow, sow, and reap.
It's time to dig up that old article from rec.humour.funny:
Guide to politicial systems
---------------------------
Socialism - You have two cows. The government takes one
to give to someone else.
Communism - You have two cows. The government takes both
and gives you the milk.
Fascism - You have two cows. The government takes both
and sells you the milk.
Nazism - You have two cows. The government takes both
and shoots you.
Bureaucracy - You have two cows. The government takes both,
shoots one, and pours the milk down the drain.
Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
shorting currencies honest work.
On 8/16/26 02:00, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an
honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
shorting currencies honest work.
Eh ?
Soros is a 3rd-level money source - AND
a communist agent.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:12:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Bulls are only good for one thing. And theyrCOre a lot of trouble to
have around when theyrCOre not fulfilling that one function.
So the smart Capitalist will not *buy* one, but only *hire* one at appropriate times throughout the year. Plus you also get to write off
the hire cost as an operating expense, instead of having to depreciate
its purchase as a capital cost over some number of years.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 01:13:04 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Proven BEST - the relative few 'visionaries'/'organizers'
get things going. YOU work for THEM. You can BITCH about them being
awful or 'usurers' but You NEED Them or NOTHING of use happens.
You mean like Soros? He's a visionary alright. Motherfucker never did an honest day's work in his life, unless you consider hedge funds and
shorting currencies honest work.
On the other side we have Miriam Adelson. She actually worked as a doctor
but that's not where the $35 billion came from. Sheldon made his nut from actual casinos, unlike the billionaire winners in the Wall Street casino.
How he got some of his licenses has been investigated. His first venture
in the candy vending machine business probably wasn't too pure. Somehow
the vending machine business in NYC has always been questionable.
I have nothing against people like Musk or Bezos that built something. I don't care for the billionaires that never did anything but manipulate markets. Do you call them all capitalists?
The Marxist FANTASY of everybody getting all they
want for "free" regardless ... Harry Potter is
more plausible.
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:12:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Bulls are only good for one thing. And theyrCOre a lot of trouble to have around when theyrCOre not fulfilling that one function.
You're normally a Smart Guy ... can't figure out why you can't see
through the commiesocialist BIG LIE. It's been nothing but DISASTER
for a century+
On 2026-08-16 08:46, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:12:12 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
Capitalism - You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
Bulls are only good for one thing. And theyrCOre a lot of trouble to
have around when theyrCOre not fulfilling that one function.
So the smart Capitalist will not *buy* one, but only *hire* one at
appropriate times throughout the year. Plus you also get to write
off the hire cost as an operating expense, instead of having to
depreciate its purchase as a capital cost over some number of
years.
They don't hire them: transporting them is problematic and
expensive. They just buy the semen, and inseminate it artificially,
probably hiring a vet or an expert.
However, in capitalism somebody will try to sell you a bull and rip
you off.
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> writes:
The Marxist FANTASY of everybody getting all they
want for "free" regardless ... Harry Potter is
more plausible.
I don't think that's the idea, but then, who am I.
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