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On 8/1/26 17:54, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-08-01, Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my
Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much
faster than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...
and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current
hardware. It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given
the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to
realize.

And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process,
where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can
(still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting
*after* the user has logged on. Which is why a modern win box is often
all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in
from a cold startup. It is still "booting" itself, and making you
wait, it's just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you
can log in.

I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such lies
before Microsoft even existed.

Vista was when I moved all my, and most company
servers and such, completely to Linux.

My Gawd it was just SO horrible !!!

Alas individual users ... sorry ... they were NOT
gonna switch from Winders. This is The Rule. Had
to keep coping with them. At least I could switch
the Core systems.

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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:

Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I can't forget the moment a couple decades ago where I realized my
Pentium II desktop was booting into the login prompt much, much
faster than a Windows Vista laptop took to get to its login screen...
and that was a Pentium II with less performant I/O than more current
hardware. It might be obvious in hindsight, perhaps especially given
the absence of a graphical login manager, but still fascinating to
realize.

And then couple that thought with the modern win-blows boot process,
where MS races to the username/password screen as quickly as they can
(still too slowly, but...) and only really actually finishes booting
*after* the user has logged on. Which is why a modern win box is often
all but unusable for the first five to ten minutes after logging in
from a cold startup. It is still "booting" itself, and making you
wait, it's just doing it after you have logged in instead of before you
can log in.

Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That gives
me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.

Since my root passwords are really ugly-|, I hate systemd's attitude of
asking for the root password if something in the boot process goes
wrong. I'd prefer the system to at least try-# to get to a normal login
prompt so that I can log in as my user before looking for the root
password.

Greetings
Marc

-| and in many enterprise environments, noone knows the root password,
people log in with their user account and then escalate to root - a
pity when that doesn't work.
-# I do know that this is not always possible
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.

Since my root passwords are really ugly-|, I hate systemd's attitude
of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
goes wrong.

IrCOm sure thatrCOs configurable, since everything else in systemd is.

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
the rCLsinglerCY boot option. If that doesnrCOt work, thererCOs always something like rCLinit=/bin/bashrCY ...
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On 8/2/26 01:23, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.

Since my root passwords are really ugly-|, I hate systemd's attitude
of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
goes wrong.

IrCOm sure thatrCOs configurable, since everything else in systemd is.

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
the rCLsinglerCY boot option. If that doesnrCOt work, thererCOs always something like rCLinit=/bin/bashrCY ...

Actually, I appreciate the extra security
for 'single user' and related. We NEED
extra layers these days. This ain't the
Friendly 80s.

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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 06:03:48 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

Actually I appreciate when my system lets me log in early. That
gives me a chance to more easily fix things if things go wrong.

Since my root passwords are really ugly-|, I hate systemd's attitude
of asking for the root password if something in the boot process
goes wrong.

IrCOm sure thatrCOs configurable, since everything else in systemd is.

Nosireebob.

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to use
the rCLsinglerCY boot option. If that doesnrCOt work, thererCOs always >something like rCLinit=/bin/bashrCY ...

Unless you have secure boot on.

Greetings
Marc
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On 2026-08-02, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 01 Aug 2026 21:54:59 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

I _hate_ it when a system lies about being ready. I've had plenty of
time to build that hate - I worked on a mainframe that told such
lies before Microsoft even existed.

A sure sign of a product from a company where the marketing department
is in charge.

I think the thing that came to my mind was Ray Arnold and co. looking at
a blinking cursor near the words "System Ready".
--
Nuno Silva

I have to rewatch the film...
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On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:41:02 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to
use the rCLsinglerCY boot option. If that doesnrCOt work, thererCOs always >> something like rCLinit=/bin/bashrCY ...

Unless you have secure boot on.

Does the Linux kernel really enforce anything like that?

What about rCLsystemd.break=rCY and rCLrd.systemd.break=rCY?

<https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-debug-generator.html>
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On 01/08/2026 19:51, rbowman wrote:

The last video adapter I bought was an ATI Radeon 2400 but that was about
15 years ago. The original card failed and all I could find locally were
high end cards for gamers so it probably was the cheapest thing on Amazon.
It worked.

I bought one because 2FPS was too slow for a game I wanted to play. the chepest Nvidia got that up to 50-60 and all was ok

That was the last build I did before deciding COTS boxes met my needs and were cheaper than DIY. The thrill of choosing mobos and components and
hoping it would all work wore off. Everything I have now is either Intel
or AMD integrated graphics. Works for me. TensorFlow would be happier with
a GPU but it will fall back to a CPU, good enough for the toy models I
work with.

Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home
market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop
with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price.

It used to be the other way around.
--
"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They
always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

Margaret Thatcher

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On 01/08/2026 20:07, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:15:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me. Each
chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough a
million.

My dentist bought the practice from my former dentist about 25 years ago. It's her and a hygienist and unless there is a lot more traffic than I've ever seen I doubt it would be feasible today for a solo dentist to set
up.

Well she wasn't solo for very long. When she sold the practice 5 years
later there were 4.
--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift


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On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote:

On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the Winders >>>> registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil.

It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and learn
something.

Your distro supplies systemd.

Correct

You could not use anything else.

False

Unless
your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and helpless.

False

You could never implement your own init system. Never.

False

You support systemd because you could never implement anything else.
Never.

False.

You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that
your distro provides.

No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that
farting around with linux.

Poor dumb bastard.

You are.
--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift


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On 01/08/2026 22:54, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

I was in a similar situation. I have Nvidia cards and generally have
had no problems, at least as long as I use their proprietary drives.
(Nouveau would lock up too often for me.) However, when I updated one machine to Debian Bookworm, it wouldn't accept the driver I was using;
I upgraded to a newer driver and it wouldn't accept my graphics card. Replacing the graphics card with a newer model got things going again.

That rather sucks

I switched to AMD, and no more troubles.

So far Nvidia stuff still works for me.

Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the
DOS/WIN3 days.

Yes I know its the same company...
--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

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On 02/08/2026 00:46, Robert Riches wrote:

On 2026-08-01, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me. Each
chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough a million.

And unless things have changed recently, the chairs and a lot of
the other equipment are almost certainly made by one of two
companies headquartered in Newberg, Oregon, USA.

No wonder they are so overpriced
But I think hers were Danish - Heka? She trained in Sweden...

Last I heard,
https://www.a-dec.com/ has about 90% of the worldwide dental
chair (and equipment) market, while https://www.dcionline.com/
has nearly all of the other 10%. Some of my neighbors work at
A-dec. So, thanks for keeping my neighbors employed!

There are half a dozen European manufacturers of dental equipment. That
works on the correct voltage
Remember no one buys American if they want customer support
--
rCLit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph StalinrCOs Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.rCY

Vaclav Klaus

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On 02/08/2026 02:32, c186282 wrote:

On 8/1/26 07:53, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

On 31/07/2026 17:54, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Why would I, when it takes about ten seconds to boot?

Cleans out the kruft EfOe

I generally find closing Firefox does that on mine

It is a memory hog.

Indeed.

Otoh, the always-on mini PC would use up all the RAM and the
swap and then go nuts trying to clean it up.

Finally traced it to picom (compositor). It's got major memory
leaks. Restarting it would clean out gigabtyes worth.

I got tired of doing it manually (or forgetting to do it), so made
a cron job that runs at 2 AM.

Why do I put up with picom? I find it helpful in my workflow.

-a IF you can afford it, pick a time of day and
-a just use crontab to reboot the unit maybe once
-a a week. That'll clean out the crud.

The funny thing is that this desktop does not have memory leaks but runs
the same firefox as the laptop, which does...
--
rCLit should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph StalinrCOs Communist era, nor in the Orwellian utopia of 1984.rCY

Vaclav Klaus

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02.08.2026 03:39, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2026-08-01, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

01.08.2026 17:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on >>>>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems!
Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems >>>> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.

I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver
because it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to
the open driver.Aha, old cards will definetely have problems. I was
speaking only for

supported cards.

(Please try leaving one blank line between your response text and the
quoted text if you aren't doing so already. I seem to recall this was
advice for some clients at some point, and judging from the body of your post, it might also apply to current-day Thunderbird.)

Sorry, looks like Thunderbird isn't accepting too much manual editing.

Will do.
--
WBR, Stanislav Nikitin a.k.a. pztrn.
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On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote:

On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

-a-a-a Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the Winders >>>>> -a-a-a registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil.

It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and learn >>> something.

Your distro supplies systemd.

Correct

-aYou could not use anything else.

False

Unless
your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and helpless.

False

You could never implement your own init system.-a Never.

False

You support systemd because you could never implement anything else.
Never.

False.

You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that
your distro provides.

No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that
farting around with linux.

That's true for many of us.

Poor dumb bastard.

You are.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 08:41:02 +0200, Marc Haber wrote:

Lawrence D-|Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

I notice some systems now require the root password if you try to
use the rCLsinglerCY boot option. If that doesnrCOt work, thererCOs always >>> something like rCLinit=/bin/bashrCY ...

Unless you have secure boot on.

Does the Linux kernel really enforce anything like that?

I might be mixing things (here: unlocking a LUKS container and secure
boot) up.

As far as I remember (I do not have practical experience with that)
you can use the TPM to unlock the LUKS container that contains the
root filesystem if the system passes some kind of attestation process
and the bootmanager is confident and can convince the TPM that you're
entitled to unlock the filesystem. Parts of that attestation are the
images of the kernel, the initramfs, and also the kernel command line
that is being booted. If one of those doesn't fit, the TPM doesn't
unlock the root filesystem and the boot fails until a person at the
console types in a backup decryption key that was hopefully created
during installation.

The way to the bootmanager is supervised by UEFI secure boot (UEFI
firmware verifies shim against the microsoft signatures that can be
verified by the UEFI firmware, shim knows which signed boot manager to
trust).

That way, init=/bin/bash will only work after manually unlocking the
root filesystem, and then it can be argued that this is a
significantly better protection of the data than a root password might
be.

Disclaimer: All typed from memory from knowledge onbtained by reading
web pages and listening to conferene talks. I might remember wrong.

What about rCLsystemd.break=rCY and rCLrd.systemd.break=rCY?

<https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-debug-generator.html>

Same.

Greetings
Marc
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On 2026-08-02, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

02.08.2026 03:39, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2026-08-01, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

01.08.2026 17:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-07-31 22:27, rbowman wrote:

On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 17:23:02 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:

Funny thing is that I never have any problems with nvidia graphics on >>>>>> Linux using proprietary drivers. NEVER. Running CUDA? No problems! >>>>>> Gaming with wine? Here we go! Native gaming! Lets ride!

You're lucky. I don't have Nvidia in any of the boxes but Nvidia problems >>>>> seems to be a common complaint on the forums.

I did have NVidia, and it was trouble.

I have an old desktop that can not get the proprietary driver
because it stopped being updated for my card, and I had to revert to
the open driver.Aha, old cards will definetely have problems. I was
speaking only for

supported cards.

(Please try leaving one blank line between your response text and the
quoted text if you aren't doing so already. I seem to recall this was
advice for some clients at some point, and judging from the body of your
post, it might also apply to current-day Thunderbird.)

Sorry, looks like Thunderbird isn't accepting too much manual editing.

Will do.

It seems to have worked better this time, so whatever you did is
possibly sufficient to at least get the citation depth right.
--
Nuno Silva
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:14:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/08/2026 20:07, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:15:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me.
Each chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough
a million.

My dentist bought the practice from my former dentist about 25 years
ago.
It's her and a hygienist and unless there is a lot more traffic than
I've ever seen I doubt it would be feasible today for a solo dentist to
set up.

Well she wasn't solo for very long. When she sold the practice 5 years
later there were 4.

Dentists? I don't know the details but for a year or so my original
dentist and the one I have now worked together. There were two offices
across from each other in the same building. For a while after Gary
retired she kept both but eventually consolidated into one. I assume the physical space was a lease and the lease determined when she could drop
one. I think it was a personal decision not to expand the practice. Even keeping a hygienist and receptionist has been a pain.

I can relate. I think she enjoys dentistry, not running a business, but doesn't want to work for someone else.


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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:23:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote:

On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

-a-a-a Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the
-a-a-a Winders registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil.

It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and
learn something.

Your distro supplies systemd.

Correct

-aYou could not use anything else.

False

Unless your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and
helpless.

False

You could never implement your own init system.-a Never.

False

You support systemd because you could never implement anything else.
Never.

False.

You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that
your distro provides.

No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that
farting around with linux.

That's true for many of us.

I decided long ago to accept some stuff as magic and get on with my
interests. An example is the recent network discussion. I can maintain distros but the less attention I have to pay to the OS, the better. For
that matter almost everything I do on Linux could be done on Windows and vice-versa. That makes me an agnostic rather than a True Believer.
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:12:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home
market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop
with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price.

I didn't buy refurbs until recently. I wanted a somewhat modern test bed
and found I could buy a refurbed Lenovo T480 cheaper than a low end mini.
It has worked out well and does have the advantage that I can pack it up
and take it with me.

After learning the hard way that cheap was ultimately more expensive the company I worked for started buying Dells. When I was thinking about doing another build I added up the prices. Even with reusing the Antec case and power supply the total was more than buying a Dell at CostCo. It had the
same specs as my work machine so I knew it was adequate. Still is, for
that matter, although I added RAM, a SATA SSD, and a slight upgrade to the
Gen 4 Intel processor.

With the current madness refurds look even better.
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:20:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the DOS/WIN3
days.

I had a low end Radeon card and it worked but that was back when Doom was
as much stress as a video adapter got.
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On 8/2/26 16:02, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:14:07 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/08/2026 20:07, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 14:15:06 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Yup. The sheer cost of setting up a dental practice astonished me.
Each chair is tens of thousands and the whole practice was near enough >>>> a million.

My dentist bought the practice from my former dentist about 25 years
ago.
It's her and a hygienist and unless there is a lot more traffic than
I've ever seen I doubt it would be feasible today for a solo dentist to
set up.

Well she wasn't solo for very long. When she sold the practice 5 years
later there were 4.

Dentists? I don't know the details but for a year or so my original
dentist and the one I have now worked together. There were two offices
across from each other in the same building. For a while after Gary
retired she kept both but eventually consolidated into one. I assume the physical space was a lease and the lease determined when she could drop
one. I think it was a personal decision not to expand the practice. Even keeping a hygienist and receptionist has been a pain.

I can relate. I think she enjoys dentistry, not running a business, but doesn't want to work for someone else.

Useful note on dentists ... get in with the A+ rated
ones with all the good tech and such - the extra money
is VERY much worth it ! :-)

If you live with 'socialized' medicine - good fuckin' luck.
You're NOT gonna like it.

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On 8/2/26 16:09, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:23:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2026-08-02 12:15, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/08/2026 20:09, FF wrote:

On 01 Aug 2026 18:00:22 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

-a-a-a Aww ... I like systemd in many respects. It's not like the >>>>>>> -a-a-a Winders registry, don't see any INTENTIONAL evil.

It's far easier to refuse everything than trying to understand and
learn something.

Your distro supplies systemd.

Correct

-aYou could not use anything else.

False

Unless your distro supplies it then you are completely lost and
helpless.

False

You could never implement your own init system.-a Never.

False

You support systemd because you could never implement anything else.
Never.

False.

You are stuck with systemd and you are stuck with everything else that >>>> your distro provides.

No. I accept it, because I want to use my time for other things that
farting around with linux.

That's true for many of us.

I decided long ago to accept some stuff as magic and get on with my interests. An example is the recent network discussion. I can maintain distros but the less attention I have to pay to the OS, the better. For
that matter almost everything I do on Linux could be done on Windows and vice-versa. That makes me an agnostic rather than a True Believer.

CP/M ... you COULD pretty much grasp it all.

But today, even Linux, too much just IS "magic".
Nobody gets the whole package, at best just this
or that little BIT of it.

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On 8/2/26 16:21, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:12:08 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Exactly. when my local PC supplier's cheapest offering into the home
market got over $700 or thereabouts I started buying refurbished PCS and
laptops at half the price. And discovered that an ex office HP desktop
with intel onboard, did everything I needed at half the price.

I didn't buy refurbs until recently. I wanted a somewhat modern test bed
and found I could buy a refurbed Lenovo T480 cheaper than a low end mini.
It has worked out well and does have the advantage that I can pack it up
and take it with me.

After learning the hard way that cheap was ultimately more expensive the company I worked for started buying Dells. When I was thinking about doing another build I added up the prices. Even with reusing the Antec case and power supply the total was more than buying a Dell at CostCo. It had the
same specs as my work machine so I knew it was adequate. Still is, for
that matter, although I added RAM, a SATA SSD, and a slight upgrade to the Gen 4 Intel processor.

With the current madness refurds look even better.

Yea ... price-wise indeed ... but how WELL were
they 'refurbished' ?

The most typical fail is in a shit-rated cap in
the power supply train. I've fixed some of those
issues on the bench (lucky I collected caps and
shit from old equipment). Re-furbs ... they MIGHT
have just replaced shit with more shit.

The current world semiconductor market is in serious
flux and 'AI' needs have shifted many production lines
away from 'consumer' stuff. Compare prices for common
memory shit now from even two years ago. All the biggies
have sold their souls to the 'AI' market.

I got lucky, bought a lot of memory/flash/M.2 and such
about two years ago. Prices were GOOD. But not NOW.
Dunno when there may be an improvement. Not THIS year
for sure, probably not next year either.

Umm ... 'AI' customers NEED decent boxes/laps/etc
to USE the AI properly. Now you can't AFFORD those
'decent' units. PROBLEM.

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On 8/2/26 16:25, rbowman wrote:

On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 11:20:33 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Never used an 'AMD' cards. Think I used 'Radeons' back in the DOS/WIN3
days.

I had a low end Radeon card and it worked but that was back when Doom was
as much stress as a video adapter got.

Radeons were GOOD. Had 'em on almost every box
in my org.

But, as you said, those were yesterday-tech.

THESE days, most people don't get much of a CHOICE.
It's whatever comes on yer cheap desktop or lap or
whatever. Except for desktops, most units don't
even have a plug-in bus for alt hardware. Desktop
boards are now a 'marginal' market - though would
still rec Asus or SuperMicro.

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On 03/08/2026 04:41, c186282 wrote:

THESE days, most people don't get much of a CHOICE.
-a It's whatever comes on yer cheap desktop or lap or
-a whatever. Except for desktops, most units don't
-a even have a plug-in bus for alt hardware. Desktop
-a boards are now a 'marginal' market - though would
-a still rec Asus or SuperMicro.

That is because for most people the onboard video is more than good enough.
If they want gaming performance they build or buy a system with more
expensive hardware.
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The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

On 02/08/2026 02:32, c186282 wrote:

On 8/1/26 07:53, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS (fixed):

On 31/07/2026 17:54, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Why would I, when it takes about ten seconds to boot?

Cleans out the kruft EfOe

I generally find closing Firefox does that on mine

It is a memory hog.

Indeed.

Otoh, the always-on mini PC would use up all the RAM and the
swap and then go nuts trying to clean it up.

Finally traced it to picom (compositor). It's got major memory
leaks. Restarting it would clean out gigabtyes worth.

I got tired of doing it manually (or forgetting to do it), so made
a cron job that runs at 2 AM.

Why do I put up with picom? I find it helpful in my workflow.

-a IF you can afford it, pick a time of day and
-a just use crontab to reboot the unit maybe once
-a a week. That'll clean out the crud.

>>> I got tired of doing it manually (or forgetting to do it), so made
>>> a cron job that runs at 2 AM.

Don't need to reboot.

The funny thing is that this desktop does not have memory leaks but runs
the same firefox as the laptop, which does...

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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 23:36:32 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Yea ... price-wise indeed ... but how WELL were they 'refurbished' ?

I did have reservations about that but the Lenovo looked virginal and has functioned with no problems. Also going through Amazon provides some confidence.

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On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 23:41:52 -0400, c186282 wrote:

Radeons were GOOD. Had 'em on almost every box in my org.

Radeon lives on:

GPU: AMD Radeon Vega Series / Radeon Vega ]

AMDs APUs put the CPU and GPU on the same die. That's how it shows up for
a Ryzen 7. It's not aimed at gamers but is fine for the rest of the world.

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:21:43 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Shutting the lid mostly works. Until it doesn't

Yeah, that's always been a bit of a weird one. In my experience it's
pretty stable once configured, but depending on the machine actually
getting it set up can take some experimentation.

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:54:46 -0400
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Far be it from me to tell you how to use your machine...but I'm
curious why you wouldn't?

Why would I, when it takes about ten seconds to boot?

Cleans out the kruft :-)

I use it for a couple hours, then go to my main machine (an
always-on mini PC) to continue.

Fair enough, I s'pose. Cruft isn't so much of an issue on *nix, though
(NT leaks memory like a sieve, and always has;) usually killing and
relaunching the web browsers every month or two is enough to let it
clear its head.

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On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 12:18:54 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

That is because for most people the onboard video is more than good
enough. If they want gaming performance they build or buy a system
with more expensive hardware.

Honestly, even my gaming is incredibly low-key - Quake WADs, Ren'Py,
the occasional SDL2 indie title. I've been running a second-gen i5 with integrated video as a daily driver for years and haven't found a need
for anything heftier.

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On 8/3/26 13:08, John Ames wrote:

On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 12:18:54 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

That is because for most people the onboard video is more than good
enough. If they want gaming performance they build or buy a system
with more expensive hardware.

Honestly, even my gaming is incredibly low-key - Quake WADs, Ren'Py,
the occasional SDL2 indie title. I've been running a second-gen i5 with integrated video as a daily driver for years and haven't found a need
for anything heftier.

Typical. "The Latest Great Shit" often isn't NEEDED.

With Linux, even kinda old boxes can still Deliver.

Wanna run 8k games ? Then you'll PAY, BIG. Linux
or Winders or Whatever.

If you DON'T need to run 8k games and shit then a
LOT less will serve FINE.

Not a game fan. Do have Duke3D somewhere, but have
not played it in a decade.

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On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 10:08:25 -0700, John Ames wrote:

Honestly, even my gaming is incredibly low-key - Quake WADs, Ren'Py, the occasional SDL2 indie title. I've been running a second-gen i5 with integrated video as a daily driver for years and haven't found a need
for anything heftier.

My gaming is limited to Klondike in the KPatience selection or sometimes majjongg. I do have dsda-doom on the Ubuntu box. Not a clue what to do
with it.
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On 2026-08-04, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

On 8/3/26 13:08, John Ames wrote:

Wanna run 8k games ? Then you'll PAY, BIG. Linux
or Winders or Whatever.

If you DON'T need to run 8k games and shit then a
LOT less will serve FINE.

That's why the goal of marketroids is to create that need
even when it doesn't exist and has no reason to exist.

Not a game fan. Do have Duke3D somewhere, but have
not played it in a decade.

I've spent many a happy hour with Portal and its descendents.
And occasionally The Stanley Parable. 1080p is just fine with me.
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On 2026-07-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:54:38 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

It does not have a wikipedia package. That's the first thing I check.

There is another project with the same name that is about audio.

Expat? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expat_(software)

'Cooledit' gets murky since most of the hits are for 'cool edit', the
Adobe app that was renamed Audition. Quotes around "cooledit" don't help, nor do the websites about "Cool Edit" that misspell it.

https://softpanorama.org/Editors/Lightweight_editors/cooledit.shtml https://github.com/paulsheer/cooledit
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