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I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

Part of me wants to do a clean break and force myself to fully adapt to
Linux.

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Did anyone else here transition this way?

Was keeping the old drive useful in the long run, or did it just slow
down the transition because Windows was always there as a fallback?

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used Windows
for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly bigger
than just installing another OS.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

Thanks.
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On 2026-05-10, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

Part of me wants to do a clean break and force myself to fully adapt to Linux.

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Did anyone else here transition this way?

Was keeping the old drive useful in the long run, or did it just slow
down the transition because Windows was always there as a fallback?

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used Windows
for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly bigger
than just installing another OS.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

Thanks.

My file collections sounds a lot like yours but I started ages ago, so
it got moved from a Windows partition to CD's/DVD's then eventually back
on to a hard disk, more specifically, external drives using a Linux
native filesystem. Some of these files go back to the 90s.

When I first started with Linux I put an additional disk and installed
Linux on that, leaving my Windows partitions untouched. Back then
though, I did need Windows here and there, for games and various
programs as there was less software and some things I could only do on
Windows (such as use MSN Messgener), but that need dropped over the
years, and the need for Windows is now...zero.

I do not regret keeping Windows around, it was just a practical need and
I didn't see the value in going "cold turkey". I saw Windows as
complementary on my system, just another tool I had and back then, I
still used DOS. Why not have two Operating Systems? Linux reads
windows partitions just fine, so you can just leave your files there.

I would only consider moving your archive files to a Linux based
filesystem (preferably seperate to the OS) if you find you don't use, or
don't have windows, only because if you have an issue with say an NTFS partition and you don't have Windows, then you'll need to rely on the
ntfs tools that come with Linux to fix it, which may not be as
comprehensive as Windows.

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On 2026-05-10 10:48, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

Part of me wants to do a clean break and force myself to fully adapt to Linux.

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Did anyone else here transition this way?

Was keeping the old drive useful in the long run, or did it just slow
down the transition because Windows was always there as a fallback?

Keep it, of course. Install on a new disk.

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used Windows
for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly bigger
than just installing another OS.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

Thanks.

When I transitioned to Linux there were no virtual machines, so I double booted. Now you have the choice.

It is a slow process.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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On 2026-05-10, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

<snip>

The 64-dollar question is: can some of those files only be read and/or processed by a Windows system? If so, you might have a problem.
However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot.
Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB.
I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot.

The one reason you'll likely need to keep Windows is if you're developing Windows software. I'm in this boat, but I do mostly back-end stuff that doesn't have much of a GUI requirement, so I just set up a virtual machine (using VirtualBox) and installed Windows XP on it. As someone once said,
the nice thing about having Microsoft in a window is that you can close it.
:-)
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:48:36 +0300, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Did anyone else here transition this way?

Not exactly. I have a couple of Windows laptops, Win 11 and XP, that I
keep as Windows systems just in case. I've been using Linux for a long
time so most of my projects are either on Linux or lend themselves to
cross platform development so I could transfer them from Windows. My music
and photos are spread over thumbdrives and a WD Passport backup.

I understand the psychology and suffer from it myself but in reality if
it's something I haven't used in years I don't need it.

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives
instead.

The last dual boot I did was about 2012. It was a Dell box that came with Windows 7 and I added SuSE. I found I only ever booted to 7 to make sure
it still worked. When I redid it I went with straight Fedora. I did the
same with a mini and Lenovo laptop that came with Windows 11. However, I
do have multiple machines and still have a straight Windows 11 laptop if I need it.

Keeping the Windows drive sounds like a plan. Even if your machine is SATA
a SATA SSD is a real improvement. If you have an extra bay just unplug the Windows drive, plug in the SSD and start fresh. At least when doing the install I'd suggest unplugging the Windows drive to avoid confusion.





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On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:48:36 +0300, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually
need something from the old system again.

My personal philosophy is rCLnever throw anything awayrCY. ;)

ThererCOs no harm in keeping the old Windows volume online, permanently
mounted read-only. Then every time you remember something you forgot
to transfer across, itrCOs there at your fingertips.

If your new drive is big enough, you could even take an image of the
Windows volume and work with that, and keep the original stored away
somewhere safe as a backup.
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On 5/10/26 10:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-10, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music
collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

<snip>

The 64-dollar question is: can some of those files only be read and/or processed by a Windows system? If so, you might have a problem.
However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot.
Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB.
I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot.

You can use or could at any rate. use the Windows disk tools to do the same thing. You reduce the on disk empty files to a very small number then
resize
the Windows partition. You can do the same thing with MagicPartEd a live bootable tool. You make your basic Linux partitions with GPartEd and if
it is not on your live install you have made a bad choice of your new OS.

I have moved files from the AmigaOS 3.9 to Windows XP to Mandrake
back in 2006 or so.
I finally cut Microsoft out of my computers. But I have never seen a Windows file I could not open in Linux or MS-DOS on the C-64 or the Amiga
aside from executables.

The one reason you'll likely need to keep Windows is if you're developing Windows software. I'm in this boat, but I do mostly back-end stuff that doesn't have much of a GUI requirement, so I just set up a virtual machine (using VirtualBox) and installed Windows XP on it. As someone once said,
the nice thing about having Microsoft in a window is that you can close it. :-)

Yes that is great thing about Virtual Machines. PCLinuxOS has GPartEd and
Virtual Box on the Install disk and easy to operate package managers.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.04- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE
Plasma 6.6.4



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Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> writes:

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything.

Take them with you.

Old projects, music collections

Take.

browser profiles, saved passwords,

Dump them, get new ones, not useful anymore.

software archives,

Take if they are special and you can't download them again easily.

random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats,

Dump them.

drivers,

Not needed anymore.

forgotten utilities, etc.

Leave them. Linux has 10 million.

Part of me wants to do a clean break and force myself to fully adapt
to Linux.

Yes, put Linux as the main system and leave the old Windows disk as
secondary. *If* you need something, copy it over. Dual booting is a
bitch, and Windows will try to kill anything else that you're
booting. Plus, you'll keep using what you already know (Windows) and not
move on.

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

When I left, wanted to take IDA, Ollie Debug, and some cool PHP IDE. I
put a bunch of stuff on CDs. Bordland C++. And of course I took my
virus collection. I didn't use 90% of it. Some stuff I did use for
Windows NT4, but that's for old time's sake.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Just leave it and mount it if you do want it later. Once you find you
don't, take the space for something else.

mount /dev/whatever /mnt/hd

Was keeping the old drive useful in the long run, or did it just slow
down the transition because Windows was always there as a fallback?

I didn't need it, really. You'll find new things to use.

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used
Windows for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly
bigger than just installing another OS.

Yes it is.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

If you need Windows for work or school be careful. Much software is Windows-only, and most hardware is made for Windows (though it's better
than it was 10 years ago). Your bank might assume you're using Windows,
and if you need help your ISP will likely say they don't support
Linux. Also, if you game, gaming is... different on Linux. Don't expect
to AAA game like with Windows. Yes, you can, but it's more effort. This
as well has gotten better over the years.

Watch secure boot. Windows will *require* it and many Linux won't work
with it. This won't be a problem if you don't dual boot.

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or
if most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

If you need Windows at all, use a virtual machine. Dual booting is
sketchy - despite what some here will tell you.
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"The Internet should always be the Wild West!"
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On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:48:36 +0300, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used Windows
for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly bigger
than just installing another OS.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs. Even
if I did switch, I'd still keep the old stuff. Some things on my
computer go back to the MS-DOS 3.3 on my first computer with a hard
drive back in 1987, and some go back even further, to stuff I stored
on floppies on an Osborne 3 running CP/M, though most of the Wordstar
files I had stored there I've long since converted to other word
processor formats.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.
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On 5/10/26 23:29, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.

I completely dumped Winders when Vista crapped
all over the universe.

NO regrets.

Rec MX Linux. It "Just Works". The XFCE spin
is perfectly adequate.

USED to be Debian ... but apparently Canonical
infiltrated too many of its rejects into the
Deb franchise. Now it DOESN'T necessarily
"Just Work". Bummer !

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On 2026-05-11 05:29, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.

That depends on how things are installed. I had windows beaten into
submission and it would not break things on updates. Only a major update might, and then it was just a question of replacing the MBR again.

MBR disk, bios. Windows partition marked bootable, but the MBR would
boot the Linux partition regardless.

It should be much easier with UEFI and GPT.

And you can have a virtual machine booting the old real disk.
--
Cheers, Carlos.
ESEfc-Efc+, EUEfc-Efc|;
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Charlie Gibbs wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:

On 2026-05-10, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music
collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

<snip>

The 64-dollar question is: can some of those files only be read and/or processed by a Windows system? If so, you might have a problem.
However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot.
Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB.
I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot.

The one reason you'll likely need to keep Windows is if you're developing Windows software. I'm in this boat, but I do mostly back-end stuff that doesn't have much of a GUI requirement, so I just set up a virtual machine (using VirtualBox) and installed Windows XP on it. As someone once said,
the nice thing about having Microsoft in a window is that you can close it. :-)

I have some projects (C/C++) I want to build for Windows. I used a non-networked Win 10 in a VM for quite awhile, but now have a mini
PC dual-booting between Win 11 and Debian Sid.

But I don't like staying in the Win 11 too long because it is just
not a comfortable environment for me, even with VLC, Msys, and Git
Bash installed. I have a batch file that builds the code using
Mingw and creates an installer using NSIS. The simpler library
projects use Meson.

So now I'm considering installing Wine and using a Meson
cross-file so that I can work out most of the Windows issues while
basking in the comfort of Linux.
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On 10/05/2026 09:48, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

Part of me wants to do a clean break and force myself to fully adapt to Linux.

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually need something from the old system again.

So lately I've been considering installing Linux on a completely
separate SSD and just keeping the Windows drive disconnected and
untouched instead of wiping it.

Did anyone else here transition this way?

For a while I rand two machines.
Then I moved all my data onto a networked server running Linux and used
SAMBA on windows.
I now had three machines.

Then I build a virtualbox VM running XP and moved all my windows apps
onto that. As and when I needed them.

After a couple of years I installed Lux Mint, moved the VM onto that and switched off the windows machine.

The XP VM runs three programs only. Specialised Windows apps I could
find no direct alternative for.

Was keeping the old drive useful in the long run, or did it just slow
down the transition because Windows was always there as a fallback?

The first point is that windows generated DATA is accessible from Linux.

So that's the first thing to move to Linux, and then use SAMBA to let
the windows box still access it.

That's better than dual booting


Then I recommend building a windows VM to run the windows apps you still
need

Unless you are play9ing real time windows games that should allow you to switch off the windows box altogether

I'm also curious about the non-technical side of this. I've used Windows
for most of my life, so changing operating systems feels oddly bigger
than just installing another OS.

Any regrets, advice, or things you wish you had backed up before switching?

Npne at all really,. Having my XP virtual machine allowed me to access programs that were still needed by me - even 15 years on, I keep that going. Everything else went very smoothly, considering, once I discovered that
Linux Mint was designed to be as easy for a windows user to migrate to
as possible.

Also interested in hearing whether people still dual boot in 2026 or if
most have moved to VMs / secondary machines / old preserved drives instead.

VM all the way. Simply to reduce box clutter and allow simultaneous
access to both operating systems

E.g I have a ancient 2D and 3D CAD programs running on Windows, whose
outputs need post processing by Linux based tools in order to be usable
in their final form

Using virtual Box allows me to boot Windows in far less time than it
ever took on a real machine, and using MINT MATES virtual desktops I can switch between Windows and Linux applications in no rime at all. Data is
all held on a Linux network server and is fully accessible from either platform

It allows a fully integrated workflow between the platforms.

That, for me, when doing PCB , model, or 3D printing design, is very
important
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- George Orwell

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On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-10, Oguz Kaan Ocal <oguzkaanocal3169@hotmail.com> wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

Not just documents and photos. I mean everything. Old projects, music
collections, browser profiles, saved passwords, software archives,
random folders from 10+ years ago, game saves, old chats, drivers,
forgotten utilities, etc. My current Windows drive basically feels like
a digital attic.

<snip>

The 64-dollar question is: can some of those files only be read and/or processed by a Windows system? If so, you might have a problem.

Chances are high that this *will* be so. Sometimes you can get around
this by exporting in a more generic format, but sometimes the
application's native format is the only one that carries all the
information.

However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

Also RAM. My windows XP VM is a mere 3GB of RAM used.

There is also the option of installing WINE which gets better all the
time and running windows applications under that. I haven't tried it in
years though as my VM solution was good enough.

I think we all agree that dual booting is the worst option - I'd rather
buy a new machine to install Linux on, and gradually transition all the windows data and apps to it as and how it seems sensible.

Apart from insane RAM costs a decade old ex-business desktop is a very
good value for money option.
--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

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On 2026-05-10, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2026 11:48:36 +0300, Oguz Kaan Ocal wrote:

Another part of me thinks that would be stupid and I'd eventually
need something from the old system again.

My personal philosophy is rCLnever throw anything awayrCY. ;)

ThererCOs no harm in keeping the old Windows volume online, permanently mounted read-only. Then every time you remember something you forgot
to transfer across, itrCOs there at your fingertips.

If your new drive is big enough, you could even take an image of the
Windows volume and work with that, and keep the original stored away somewhere safe as a backup.

I used to delete stuff, because I had no hard drive space. Nothing I
regret, but there are some things I wish I had kept, like old
schoolwork, some old projects, etc.

Hard drives are so, so cheap it makes no sense to delete files you don't
really want to delete, especially older files. Hard Disks are like 10c
per gigabyte.
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On 5/11/26 05:14, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-05-11 05:29, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be
unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.

That depends on how things are installed. I had windows beaten into submission and it would not break things on updates. Only a major update might, and then it was just a question of replacing the MBR again.

MBR disk, bios. Windows partition marked bootable, but the MBR would
boot the Linux partition regardless.

It should be much easier with UEFI and GPT.

And you can have a virtual machine booting the old real disk.

"Grub-Customizer" can do good things.
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On Mon, 11 May 2026 03:29:22 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be >unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.

I think my Windows XP system is now grown-up, and long past the age of
needing updates.

I think I did once need to restore the dual-boot system, but it was so
long ago that I've forgotten what I did.
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On 5/12/26 01:26, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 03:29:22 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D|+Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2026 04:34:11 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I've had dual-boot for years, and haven't really switched to Linux
because most of my data can only be accessed by Windows programs.

I assume you know how to fix things if a Windows update should screw
up the dual-booting. It shouldnrCOt be a difficult fix, but it can be
unsettling for users who donrCOt know how to do that.

I think my Windows XP system is now grown-up, and long past the age of needing updates.

I think I did once need to restore the dual-boot system, but it was so
long ago that I've forgotten what I did.

Most Linux distros did, still can, set up a unified
boot environment with various operating systems in
distinct disk partitions. Boot, choose.

It's kinda clunky, but DOES work.

However the more modern fix is virtual machines ...
you can run multiple systems/distros all within
a base distro. Just set up a couple of those.
IF you can get VirtualBox to work you can run
any Linux/Unix distro plus DOS and CP/M-86 and Win.
DO have a Win 1.1 VM saved somewhere (it was HORRIBLE).

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On 2026-05-11, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

Also RAM. My windows XP VM is a mere 3GB of RAM used.

Luxury! I give my XP VM 512MB and it does all I need.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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On 2026-05-11, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 5/10/26 10:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot.
Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB.
I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot.

You can use or could at any rate. use the Windows disk tools to do the
same thing. You reduce the on disk empty files to a very small number
then resize the Windows partition.

My knowledge might be out of date now, but at the time I was doing this
it was impossible to shrink the Windows partition to less than half of
its size using Windows tools because of that immovable MFT in the middle.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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On 5/12/26 12:55, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-11, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 5/10/26 10:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot.
Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB.
I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot.

You can use or could at any rate. use the Windows disk tools to do the
same thing. You reduce the on disk empty files to a very small number
then resize the Windows partition.

My knowledge might be out of date now, but at the time I was doing this
it was impossible to shrink the Windows partition to less than half of
its size using Windows tools because of that immovable MFT in the middle.

Well Charlie the last Windows I shrank was Version 10 so my information is
equally our of date. But those immovable files were not removed by the disk tools but by changing the size of the file itself. That is pretty hard
to find but
I did it and overcame the limitation of half size.

Lately I would just use the Windows tools to remove Windows base ,though
letting GPartEd romp thru it will do as well. When I was using
Dual-Boot configurations
every time a Windows Kernel showed up in the updates it would overwrite the Linux stanzas in the EFI. I found that very annoying. So no more
Dual-Boots
but my position is different from the people who must use Windows for some reasons. If I was in that position I would pick a lighter-weight Linux and install Windows to a Virtual Machine.

bliss- Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2026.04- Linux 6.12.87 pclos1- KDE
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On 2026-05-12, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 5/12/26 12:55, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-11, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

On 5/10/26 10:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

The laptop I'm writing this on is a Lenovo T410 which came with
Windows 7 installed. I've very seldom needed it, but I decided
to keep it around by re-partitioning the disk and making it dual-boot. >>>> Beware - Windows tends to put a Master File Table smack in the middle
of its partition, and it's not movable by normal means. I found a
good abnormal means in the form of PefectDisk from Raxco; it enabled
me to shrink the Windows partition on my 250GB disk down to about 60GB. >>>> I installed Linux in the freed-up space and made it the default on boot. >>>

You can use or could at any rate. use the Windows disk tools to do the
same thing. You reduce the on disk empty files to a very small number
then resize the Windows partition.

My knowledge might be out of date now, but at the time I was doing this
it was impossible to shrink the Windows partition to less than half of
its size using Windows tools because of that immovable MFT in the middle.

Well Charlie the last Windows I shrank was Version 10 so my information is equally our of date.

Hah! I'm more out of date than you - I did it with Windows 7. :-)

But those immovable files were not removed by the disk tools but by changing the size of the file itself. That is pretty hard to find but I did it and overcame the limitation of half size.

Good on you. I never found that option. Whatever it takes...

Lately I would just use the Windows tools to remove Windows base, though letting GPartEd romp thru it will do as well. When I was using Dual-Boot configurations every time a Windows Kernel showed up in the
updates it would overwrite the Linux stanzas in the EFI. I found that
very annoying. So no more Dual-Boots but my position is different from the people who must use Windows for some reasons. If I was in that position
I would pick a lighter-weight Linux and install Windows to a Virtual Machine.

Yup. I wish I could figure out how to boot that Win7 partition
under VirtualBox. I've heard it can be done, but I couldn't find
the appropriate incantation. Meanwhile, my XP VM does what I need
(except for one app and I run the macOS version of it on my wife's
Macbook). (I have bad chemistry with Win7 anyway.)
--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey
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On Tue, 12 May 2026 15:44:09 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

I found that very annoying. So no more Dual-Boots but my position is different from the people who must use Windows for some reasons. If I
was in that position I would pick a lighter-weight Linux and install
Windows to a Virtual Machine.

My last dual boot was SUSE on a Windows 7 Dell box. I have a Windows 11
laptop if push comes to shove but I mostly used it at work. Until they got
rid of all the Windows 10 boxes and got new Dells the laptop was better
than the Company provided Windows machine.
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On 2026-05-13, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-12, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

[...]

Lately I would just use the Windows tools to remove Windows base,
though letting GPartEd romp thru it will do as well. When I was using
Dual-Boot configurations every time a Windows Kernel showed up in the
updates it would overwrite the Linux stanzas in the EFI. I found that
very annoying. So no more Dual-Boots but my position is different from the >> people who must use Windows for some reasons. If I was in that position
I would pick a lighter-weight Linux and install Windows to a Virtual Machine.

Yup. I wish I could figure out how to boot that Win7 partition
under VirtualBox. I've heard it can be done, but I couldn't find
the appropriate incantation. Meanwhile, my XP VM does what I need
(except for one app and I run the macOS version of it on my wife's
Macbook). (I have bad chemistry with Win7 anyway.)

What is the issue with it currently? Or is your uncertainty just about
booting the VM from a partition on a physical disk?

If this is about I/O drivers and such, the usual solution would be
enabling OOBE mode before, but it might also be possible to either enter
OOBE mode or force device redetection using the recovery mode from
install media (there is an option somewhere that gives you either a
command prompt in the installed environment, or perhaps in the
pre-installation environment but capable of changing the installed
one). That is, you'd have a VM with that partition on a disk (virtual or
maybe it can be from a real disk too? never tried that), and boot using
the Windows 7 install disc, and choose said recovery option.

That will almost certainly trigger license reactivation, though.




Ok, found the reference I had written down for this, and it seems it can
also be done from the install itself?

<http://www.dowdandassociates.com/blog/content/howto-repair-windows-7-install-after-replacing-motherboard/>
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On 12/05/2026 20:55, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2026-05-11, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 10/05/2026 18:40, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

However, the chances of this are probably small. Text files, photos,
music files... there should be a Linux utility that can handle all of
them. My primary transition was from an Amiga; drives were small in
those days, so there was plenty of room to copy that gigabyte of data
into a corner of my Linux box.

Also RAM. My windows XP VM is a mere 3GB of RAM used.

Luxury! I give my XP VM 512MB and it does all I need.

Unfortunately mine runs Rhino CAD and Corel Draw - both major graphics
CAD programs that need a lot of RAM

I tried 4GB but the VM stopped working.
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"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight
and understanding".

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On 2026-05-13, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2026-05-13, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

Yup. I wish I could figure out how to boot that Win7 partition
under VirtualBox. I've heard it can be done, but I couldn't find
the appropriate incantation. Meanwhile, my XP VM does what I need
(except for one app and I run the macOS version of it on my wife's
Macbook). (I have bad chemistry with Win7 anyway.)

What is the issue with it currently? Or is your uncertainty just about booting the VM from a partition on a physical disk?

My laptop is set up for dual boot: I can choose between the original
Windows 7 that it came with, or with Debian (which I've set up as the
default). The Win7 setup worked the last time I booted it (which was
some time ago now).

What I'd like to do is to fire up VirtualBox under Debian, and
have it boot from the Win7 partition. I spent some time fiddling
with it back in the day, and never managed to get it to work.
It's not a high enough priority to put much more time into it.

Ok, found the reference I had written down for this, and it seems it can
also be done from the install itself?

<http://www.dowdandassociates.com/blog/content/howto-repair-windows-7-install-after-replacing-motherboard/>

I'll tuck that away in case it comes in handy someday.
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
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I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

It all depends on how many machines you have. As long as *ONE* of your
machines can run actual Windows you're good. All the rest of the machines
can run a Virtual Windows on those very odd occasions when your need some specific software.

I keep ONE Windows machine available because of hardware issues with guest virtual machine, (usually hassles with iPhone access). And that is a
Windows 10 machine. All the machines that came with Windows 11 have been scrubbed.

All the rest run just pure Linux, not even any Windows partitions or filesystems.


Regards,

Jack
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They just can't part with it.
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On 14/05/2026 05:20, Jack Strangio wrote:

As long as*ONE* of your
machines can run actual Windows you're good

None of my machines have run windows natively for nearly 15 years,
Why would I need to? To play Doom or something?
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On Thu, 14 May 2026 04:20:06 -0000 (UTC), Jack Strangio wrote:

I've wanted to switch to Linux for years but one thing keeps stopping
me: all my stuff is still on Windows.

It all depends on how many machines you have. As long as *ONE* of your machines can run actual Windows you're good. All the rest of the
machines can run a Virtual Windows on those very odd occasions when your
need some specific software.

I have one Windows 11 laptop. When I was working our client sites all used Windows so I found a need to develop Windows software. However I retired
in December and it has seen little use. In fact I'm a little short of receptacles so I'm going to shut it down today and use the AC receptacle
it's on to power the charger for a Linux Mint laptop.

Even when I was working the bulk of the development was on Linux but I
worked with Esri products that were Windows only.
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:

On 14/05/2026 05:20, Jack Strangio wrote:

As long as*ONE* of your
machines can run actual Windows you're good

None of my machines have run windows natively for nearly 15 years,
Why would I need to? To play Doom or something?

I find that Apple shit has Windows drivers available, but often won't have drivers available for Linux.

Specifically, I have an iPod Nano and I have an IPhone SE. I can't put music
on the iPod - so don't use that any more. But I need to get my photos off
the iPhone still, and that I might do every 3 months or so.

Yes, I know. DON'T BUY APPLE SHIT! And nowadays I refuse to. My most
recent phone purchase was when I bought a Huawei phone in France a couple of years back. I plan to migrate to that exclusevely when I get a spare month
or two.

My only other use for Windows is my HP MFP which has Windows-only scanning software for the automatic multi-page feeder doing both sides of the pages.

I keep a Windows 7 guest on Virtualbox solely for doing that one.

Regards,

Jack
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 05:34:59 -0000 (UTC), Jack Strangio wrote:

Specifically, I have an iPod Nano and I have an IPhone SE. I can't
put music on the iPod - so don't use that any more. But I need to
get my photos off the iPhone still, and that I might do every 3
months or so.

With the earlier Ipods, there was an open-source toolkit that could do
two-way file transfer (including music files) between the device and a
host PC -- something even ApplerCOs own Itunes wouldnrCOt allow.

That was blocked on later Ipod models by some kind of encryption of
the on-device media database. Not sure if that was ever cracked.

With Android, GooglerCOs own open-source developer tools allow two-way
file transfer between device and host.
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Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> writes:

My only other use for Windows is my HP MFP which has Windows-only scanning software for the automatic multi-page feeder doing both sides of the pages.

I keep a Windows 7 guest on Virtualbox solely for doing that one.

Very bad Usenet etiquette to reply to your own post. <grin>

Would you believe I've just discovered 'naps2' and though it's a littlte
funky (I get sometimes an 'aborted' error), it does actually seem to work
to run the auto page feeder on the scanner quite nicely.

Woo Hoo! Now I can delete Windows 7 and Virtualbox at the same time!!

Now for that Apple PITA, and I'll be home and hosed.

Regards,

Jack
--
"I'm a home-loving girl. And that's where I wish I was."
"At home ..."
"Loving."
- Laugh-In, 1968
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On 2026-05-17 22:34, Jack Strangio wrote:

I find that Apple shit has Windows drivers available, but often won't have drivers available for Linux.

Specifically, I have an iPod Nano and I have an IPhone SE. I can't put music on the iPod - so don't use that any more. But I need to get my photos off
the iPhone still, and that I might do every 3 months or so.

Yes, I know. DON'T BUY APPLE SHIT! And nowadays I refuse to. My most recent phone purchase was when I bought a Huawei phone in France a couple of years back. I plan to migrate to that exclusevely when I get a spare month or two.

I love my iPhone (XR); I also have an (older) iPad. And my wife has an
iPhone 16 plus, and an iPad, and she used to have an iMac until she gave
up on computers!

For a few years I have used a program call icloudpd (iCloud Picture Downloader) to pull thousands of images and videos from the phones into
the 600 GB photo archive on my Fedora server. In a recent iOS update, it
broke - authentication fails. Apparently, a flag has been set indicating
that my wife's account no longer permits remote web access. Mine still
works.

I have tried to ask i Apple support forums and in "official" Linux
support forums, but the Linux people refuse to engage, because it is an
Apple problem, and the Apple people says they do not engage with Linux.

The alternative is to mount the DCIM folder on the phone as a USB drive.
That should still work, although I have not tried it recently. It is
somewhat clunky, because the USB drive presented to the host is a
synthesized view of iCloud pictures, and when you have tens of thousands
of pictures in the cloud, the timing can get very fiddly.
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On 2026-05-17 22:42, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

With Android, GooglerCOs own open-source developer tools allow two-way
file transfer between device and host.

Note: "Developer tools". Not the supported end-user software.
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:38:31 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-05-17 22:42, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

With Android, GooglerCOs own open-source developer tools allow two-way
file transfer between device and host.

Note: "Developer tools". Not the supported end-user software.

I believe KDE Connect allows that. I played with it a little Friday and I could see the phone's file structure as well as moving the mouse cursor
and scrolling on the computer with gestures on the phone.

It's an Android phone. I am not aware if it is available in the Apple
world.
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On 2026-05-18 15:32, Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-05-17 22:34, Jack Strangio wrote:

I find that Apple shit has Windows drivers available, but often
won't have drivers available for Linux.

Specifically, I have an iPod Nano and I have an IPhone SE. I can't
put music on the iPod - so don't use that any more. But I need to
get my photos off the iPhone still, and that I might do every 3
months or so.

Yes, I know. DON'T BUY APPLE SHIT! And nowadays I refuse to. My
most recent phone purchase was when I bought a Huawei phone in
France a couple of years back. I plan to migrate to that
exclusevely when I get a spare month or two.

I love my iPhone (XR); I also have an (older) iPad. And my wife has
an iPhone 16 plus, and an iPad, and she used to have an iMac until
she gave up on computers!

For a few years I have used a program call icloudpd (iCloud Picture Downloader) to pull thousands of images and videos from the phones
into the 600 GB photo archive on my Fedora server. In a recent iOS
update, it broke - authentication fails. Apparently, a flag has been
set indicating that my wife's account no longer permits remote web
access. Mine still works.

I have tried to ask i Apple support forums and in "official" Linux
support forums, but the Linux people refuse to engage, because it is
an Apple problem, and the Apple people says they do not engage with
Linux.

In the "official" Linux support forums I know, people do not refuse to
engage; we simply do not know Apple things.

The alternative is to mount the DCIM folder on the phone as a USB
drive. That should still work, although I have not tried it
recently. It is somewhat clunky, because the USB drive presented to
the host is a synthesized view of iCloud pictures, and when you have
tens of thousands of pictures in the cloud, the timing can get very
fiddly.

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Cheers, Carlos.
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 18:17:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In the "official" Linux support forums I know, people do not refuse to engage; we simply do not know Apple things.

Even in the IRL Linux group only a couple of people know anything about
Apple. I'm not one of them. My ex has an iPhone and wanted to do some sort
of video chat. 'Just open AppleSpeak' or whatever it's called. Sorry,
babe, no can do on my Android.

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On 5/18/26 20:58, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2026 18:17:08 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

In the "official" Linux support forums I know, people do not refuse to
engage; we simply do not know Apple things.

Even in the IRL Linux group only a couple of people know anything about Apple. I'm not one of them. My ex has an iPhone and wanted to do some sort
of video chat. 'Just open AppleSpeak' or whatever it's called. Sorry,
babe, no can do on my Android.

Apple is almost a hermetically-sealed little universe.
That's been their Business Plan for a LONG time. Sell
'status', rake in the $$$, lock out all others.

It's operating systems WERE based on a BSD, but they
massively customized (mostly for THEIR insular gain)
so it's not really a UNIX anymore.

The Apple-think systems grate against my brain, NOT
'intuitive', often cryptic, maybe ok for 9-year-olds
who can cope with "put three fingers here here and
here and swirl them around Just So". IMHO yer probably
better off with Android - simple and straight-up. It
IS a Sort-Of Linux ......

DID find an Android I installed as a VM ... but on
a PC it wasn't very useful, it's intended for phones
and similar portable comm devices.

Some Linux distros include "Erlang" - invented by
the Ericsson phone people. You can program stuff
in that lang - but the portable-device-control feel
is kinda obvious. It's more than 'ladder logic'
or other industrial-control systems, but not hugely
more sophisticated. Again, "Work comm devices".

Hmm ... now on a PI or BBB fitted with relay/sensor
boards with 'security system' or 'machine control'
or such in mind then Erlang might make better sense.

Anyone make a DOS phone ? I'd buy :-)

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On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:38:31 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-05-17 22:42, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

With Android, GooglerCOs own open-source developer tools allow
two-way file transfer between device and host.

Note: "Developer tools". Not the supported end-user software.

Note these tools came with Debian
<https://packages.debian.org/trixie/adb>. So yes, rCLsupportedrCY.
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On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:32:29 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

... and the Apple people says they do not engage with Linux.

Was this before or after Apple started offering the option of Linux
containers on Macs? Maybe worth reminding them that Apple *does* now
rCLengage with LinuxrCY?
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On 5/18/26 22:17, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:32:29 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

... and the Apple people says they do not engage with Linux.

Was this before or after Apple started offering the option of Linux containers on Macs? Maybe worth reminding them that Apple *does* now rCLengage with LinuxrCY?

But not MUCH, not as a consistent policy.

Apple does what serves their bottom line.

Total Control is their goal.

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On 2026-05-18 19:17, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:32:29 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

... and the Apple people says they do not engage with Linux.

Was this before or after Apple started offering the option of Linux containers on Macs? Maybe worth reminding them that Apple *does* now rCLengage with LinuxrCY?

Actually, quite recently. I simply asked if anyone had used the icloudpd program, and if so, had they seen similar problems recently, and I was
run out of the house with comments like "Look at that idiot - what will
be the next - people asking on advice for garden tools?"
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Lars Poulsen - an old geek in Santa Barbara, California
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On 5/19/26 00:11, Lars Poulsen wrote:

On 2026-05-18 19:17, Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:

On Mon, 18 May 2026 06:32:29 -0700, Lars Poulsen wrote:

... and the Apple people says they do not engage with Linux.

Was this before or after Apple started offering the option of Linux
containers on Macs? Maybe worth reminding them that Apple *does* now
rCLengage with LinuxrCY?

Actually, quite recently. I simply asked if anyone had used the icloudpd program, and if so, had they seen similar problems recently, and I was
run out of the house with comments like "Look at that idiot - what will
be the next - people asking on advice for garden tools?"

Garden tools are always interesting :-)

Hey, which ones hold an edge, won't break if
you really put on some leverage ???

As for Apple ... due to its Business Plan of
Total Control, I'd rate it as a Total Loss for
any other system. Don't even bother - they
will see you as The Enemy.

Apple is a parallel universe - can't really
get there from here.

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