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On 2026-05-13 12:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 12/05/2026 17:39, Carlos E.R. wrote:

I would be interested to know what people were in Italy, France and
Spain.

Well-a " Minoans: A distinctive culture based on the island of Crete.
-aMycenaeans: Early Greek-speaking peoples on the Greek mainland,
-aoften referred to as Achaeans.
-aAeolian & Ionian Greeks: Various early Greek tribal groups.
-aCypriots: Inhabitants of Cyprus, crucial in the copper trade."

Italy was split amongsts several tribes then.
As were France and Spain.
In Spain there were several ethic communities - in the south the moorish style people. Coastally the Celtic nations who spread-a (or whose
language and culture spread) all the way up the Atlantic seaboard as far
as Britain and Ireland. IIRC the remainder of these people are the
'black Irish' of today.

They may or may not have been the 'Phoenicians' who dominated the Mediterranean emerging from the east Mediterranean and colonising it everywhere.

When the Romans started writing things down the Northern European area
was covered in tribes with varying names - the Franks, Goths, visigoths, vandals, Jutes,etc etc. all of vaguely Germanic and steppe origin I
think. Plus incursions from what is now Scandinavia - certainly sea
trade down to the Mediterranean existed,

So north France and Spain got those peoples,
Remember that the Bronze age cultures around the Mediterranean were massively mixed as sea trade and transport developed. Slavery was
universal and that moved the gene pool around too.

In school we were taught that the original peoples in the peninsula were
the Iberians and the Celts.

Further inland tribes were more isolated. But for sure back then there
was nothing resembling Spain France Portugal or Italy.

Its hard enough keeping up with the history of Britain - there are
scholarly works on tbe mediterrane and west European cultures, but I
don't know of them - and certainly not in Spanish.

I believe you live in Cartagena?

Yes, the trimilenary city, we say :-)

That was founded by Phoenicians - vaguely semitic sea farers from the
Levant - and spread all over the Mediterranean, then it became Roman,
then goths vandals and visigothes and finally the muslim Moors all had a dabble in making it what it is to day

We have a week of festivities remembering the take of Qart Hadasht
(Carthago Nova) by the Romans, end of September.

Huh, the page errors out. <https://cartaginesesyromanos.es>. Maybe
forcing the Spanish version <https://cartaginesesyromanos.es/es>. But it
is not complete.

<https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carthagineses_y_Romanos> <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%AAtes_des_Carthaginois_et_des_Romains>
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Le 13-05-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a |-crit-a:

In school we were taught that the original peoples in the peninsula were
the Iberians and the Celts.

In France I learned about -2 Nos anc|-tres les Gaulois -+, or our
ancestors the Gaulish. And a lot of people have misconceptions about
that. What it must mean, is that it's the first people from whom we have knowledge. There were people living in what is now France well before
the Celts came. But we know nothing about them. Of course, there is archaeology, but it gives us only some clues.

We don't know what they thought, what they believe in or which language
they spoke for example. When the Celts came, they didn't erased them,
they mixed with them, they teach them things, they learn things from
them, but we don't know what. We can only the result of it and call it
Gaulish people, from which we have some knowledge from the Romans and
from the Greeks.

When we compare some things with the other Indo-European people, we can
have some clue about what was common between them, but we must take that
very carefully.

There were people before the Celts in France, for example, we have 1/3
of the Basque on our side of the frontier, and you have the remaining
2/3 on your side. They were obviously there well before the Celts. But
from where did they came? What language did they spoke? We know what
they spoke right now, but if an actual Basque was speaking with a Basque
born three thousand years ago, he wouldn't be able to understand him.
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On 2026-05-15 22:17, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:

Le 13-05-2026, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a |-crit-a:

In school we were taught that the original peoples in the peninsula were
the Iberians and the Celts.

In France I learned about -2 Nos anc|-tres les Gaulois -+, or our
ancestors the Gaulish. And a lot of people have misconceptions about
that. What it must mean, is that it's the first people from whom we have knowledge. There were people living in what is now France well before
the Celts came. But we know nothing about them. Of course, there is archaeology, but it gives us only some clues.

We don't know what they thought, what they believe in or which language
they spoke for example. When the Celts came, they didn't erased them,
they mixed with them, they teach them things, they learn things from
them, but we don't know what. We can only the result of it and call it Gaulish people, from which we have some knowledge from the Romans and
from the Greeks.

When we compare some things with the other Indo-European people, we can
have some clue about what was common between them, but we must take that
very carefully.

There were people before the Celts in France, for example, we have 1/3
of the Basque on our side of the frontier, and you have the remaining
2/3 on your side. They were obviously there well before the Celts. But
from where did they came? What language did they spoke? We know what
they spoke right now, but if an actual Basque was speaking with a Basque
born three thousand years ago, he wouldn't be able to understand him.

Hehe, I think they claim they would :-)
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On Sun, 17 May 2026 00:02:28 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

Sorry, I'm kinda into this stuff, DO wonder where it all comes from
and why. Does seem the ice age wasn't a nothing time, but it's VERY
hard to find any durable artifacts, can't form a good picture.

It's fascinating stuff - the more you dig into it, the more you realize
that the part of history we have even fragmentary written records of is
just the tip of an iceberg reaching back *dozens* of millennia - there
are so many intriguing questions raised by what we *have* learned, but
so little left to go on in answering them...

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