On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of >>>>>> race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and
Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where
you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not explaining
HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often that not. Or why
you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave McKay came back
full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the death
of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being only
one of them.
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack of >>>>>>> race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and
Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is
claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most
certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many where >>>>> you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often that
not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave McKay
came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to win
a season crown?
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack >>>>>>>> of race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and >>>>>>>> Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is >>>>>>> claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy.
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most >>>>>>> certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many
where you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in
fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF
was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often
that not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and Dave
McKay came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite
driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do not
show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced
for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to
win a season crown?
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare to
be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll gloss
over that)
...and over the course of entire season racing head to head, we
completed over 4 hours of races (4h 17:37.825 for me to be precise)...
...within 0.16% of each other.
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
:-)
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
...
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
On 9/19/26 3:08 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-18 05:04, Tom Elam wrote:
On 9/10/26 6:06 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 13:09, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:55 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 06:45, Tom Elam wrote:
Any claim of yours as a exceptional is invalidated by the lack >>>>>>>>> of race wins against quality competition from McKay, McColl and >>>>>>>>> Floer. If your
I beat Dave multiple times in 2019 as you acknowledge, so how is >>>>>>>> claiming I "lack [] race wins" against him NOT a lie, Liarboy. >>>>>>>>
And FYI: while I can't recall if I ever beat Alan McColl, I most >>>>>>>> certainly did beat Doug Floer.
You never beat McColl. I think there was one race out of many
where you placed first and Floer was second.
I never beat McColl, because I never got to compete against him in >>>>>> fully-competitive FF.
I only started racing in 2013, Liarboy, and Alan's last race in FF >>>>>> was during 2017...
...when I still had my first car, which was overweight.
When I got my '98 Van Diemen, sadly, Alan was drawing back from
racing for health reasons.
The fact remains that over the course of an entire season...
(not something you can pretend is a fluke)
...Dave McKay...
(whom you refer to as "exceptional")
...and I raced over 4 hours of racing head-to-head.
And after all those races...
(14 in all)
...our total times were within 0.16% of each other...
(Just 41.366 seconds, or a little less than 3 seconds a race)
...and mine was the faster.
Suck it, asshole.
That would be Alan for you. Cherry-picking 2019 data is not
explaining HOW Dave McKay beat you to the finish line more often
that not. Or why you did not follow that up when Doug Floer and
Dave McKay came back full time in 2023.
Hmmmmm...maybe the fact that I was supporting my family after the
death of my younger brother had something to do with it.
You're making my point, Liarboy.
Did Erle Archer winning the 2022 FF championship make him and elite >>>>> driver? No, Doug Floer and Dave McKay sat the year out except for
McKay's two races run. It's easy to win when the best drivers do
not show up.
Championships are the result of many factors; driver ability being
only one of them.
Supporting your family? How? That was years ago. You have not raced
for years. Did you sell #21 to help them out? If so well done.
So you are claiming that you are an exceptional driver, but cannot
compete with others because you never the entire package required to
win a season crown?
I'm not claiming I'm exceptional, Liarboy.
I'm stating as verifiable fact that I raced with someone you declare
to be "exceptional"...
(with no real basis to declare anyone any such a thing, but we'll
gloss over that)
...and over the course of entire season racing head to head, we
completed over 4 hours of races (4h 17:37.825 for me to be precise)...
...within 0.16% of each other.
Yes, Dave won more races, but how can I be this mediocre driver you
claim me to be and actually complete all those races in LESS time that
your so-called "exceptional" driver?
:-)
Simple, your new nickname is Fakerboy. Thus the totals do not tell the complete story. The totals are a fake comparison.
There were 16 races you both ran
Dave placed ahead of Fakerboy in 11
Dave outright won 10 of 16 races
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Fakerboy was so close in season points only because Dave DNS for the
first race date.
That is not all by chance. Dave was a much better driver than you in the 2019, and all prior seasons.
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two outHow was my "poor driving" to blame for a rookie driver making an
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
On 2026-09-27 15:42, pothead wrote:
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's >>>> poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is >>> not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving
and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High
School.
Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a
stretch.
Alan races cars.
So what?
He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
That road racing a car requires more continuous focus that flying a
light plane.
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's
poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of 11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving
and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out
you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even
less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High School. Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a stretch. Alan races cars.
So what?
On 9/27/2026 6:56 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-27 15:42, pothead wrote:
On 2026-09-27, Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/22/26 3:46 PM, Alan wrote:
And we only raced head-to-head in 14 of those.
You're counting both a race where I was taken out by a rookie driver's >>>>> poor overtaking attempt...
...and one race from which I voluntarily withdrew.
So it's 9 head-to-head wins.
Fakerboy outright won 3 of those 16 races
Head to head, I won:
CACC #3, Race 1
CACC #4, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 2
CACC #6, Race 3
Funny how a supposed PhD suddenly looses the ability to count.
Again you ignore the bigger picture. My count is correct. 4 out of
11 is
not 50%.
There were 16 races where you ran against each other. Your poor driving >>>> and/or lack of preparation is no excuse. Even if you take those two out >>>> you are still nowhere close to being fully competitive with Dave. Even >>>> less so looking back in time. At your very best, still a loser.
Who really cares what his stats are?
After all Al Bundy scored 4 touchdowns in a single game for Polk High
School.
Aside from Al, does anyone care?
All they care about it Al Bundy played football. And even that's a
stretch.
Alan races cars.
So what?
He's been crazy since I mentioned the obvious:
That road racing a car requires more continuous focus that flying a
light plane.
As an observer, I'd be more intrigued if this Tom fellow had anything of *his own* to submit, rather than tearing you down with boring
statistical spin.-a It sounds to me like Tom is all talk and no action.
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