On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points, >>>>> it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes
as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates and
points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and admit a
mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few races
no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so races out
of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3 years and
none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as any
of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
On 9/10/26 6:04 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own >>>>>>> inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship. >>>>>> The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where >>>>>> Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan >>>>>> Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an >>>>>> entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation
points, it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes >>>>>> as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time >>>>> off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the >>>>> races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates
and points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and
admit a mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few
races no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so
races out of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3
years and none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as
any of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
You are the one who set the goalposts at your best year ever, by a long shot. You do need to look at the longer run.
I have a new moniker for you - Alan Fakerboy
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own
inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship.
The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where
Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan
Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an
entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation points, >>>>> it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes
as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time
off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the
races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates and
points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and admit a
mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few races
no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so races out
of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3 years and
none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as any
of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
On 2026-09-01 07:23, Tom Elam wrote:
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what
they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is
that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much better
than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all the
distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
On 9/1/26 3:28 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-01 07:23, Tom Elam wrote:
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
Really, running head-to-head in 2019:
https://www.sccbc.net/racers/club-championship/2019-sccbc-club-
standings/
* = you finished ahead of Dave
May 5 Dave 1st, you 3rd
June 15, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
June 16, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*July 27, Dave 2nd, you 1st
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
July 28, Dave 1st, you 2nd
August 17, Dave 1st, you 2nd
*August 18, Dave 2nd, you 1st
August 18, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 14, Dave 1st, you 2nd
September 15, Dave 2nd, you 3rd
*September 15, Dave 3rd, you 2nd
October 12, Dave 1st, you 3rd
*October 13, Dave 3rd, you 1st
*October 13, Dave 4th, you 1st
16 races, Dave finished ahead of you 11 times leaving 5 where you
finished ahead of Dave.
You won 4 races, Dave won 10, Brandfors won 2
Dave finished ahead of you 69% of the time. So your totals are what
they are, yet you still lost a lot of close finishes to Dave. Why is
that?
Dave was the better driver. Or, he had superior prep and funding.
Anyway, Dave's overall performance as driver and owner was much
better than yours. You can't stand that fact, can you?
So let me ask you a simple question, Liarboy:
You claimed Dave, Doug and Alan as the "exceptional drivers", so...
...if it had been Doug who had raced Dave all that season, and over
more than 4 hours of on track time together ended up completing all
the distance a little faster than Dave...
...would Doug suddenly be no longer an "exceptional driver"?
You a faking a ranking by cherry-picking a single statistic in a single year. That is why you are now Alan Fakerboy. I'm looking a more results statistics over several years and finding you are far from Dave McKay
and even further back from Floer and McColl.
Based on your single season criteria Erle Archer, who won the 2022 FF trophy, is exceptional. Not. In that year he placed ahead of you in 3
races and you won only 3 of the 8 races run despite some historically
weak competition. Maybe he is a better driver than Fakerboy based on
these results?
On 9/10/26 6:04 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-09-10 06:13, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/26/26 1:34 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-26 07:48, Tom Elam wrote:
On 8/25/26 2:51 PM, Alan wrote:
On 2026-08-25 04:38, chrisv wrote:
Alan wrote:
Tom Elam wrote:
Alan, you are counting 2 2019 wins where Dave did not even run. >>>>>>>>> A not so
subtle lie. I counted the 4 where you both ran.
It's not a lie at all, Liarboy.
You were the one who set the bar at participation when you want >>>>>>>> to claim
it proved something about me.
And you ignore the DNFs I had due to circumstances beyond my
control.
Any wins at all seems pretty good to me.
Some people just want to tear other people down, due to their own >>>>>>> inadequacies.
Sad, but so true.
In truth, it was an absolutely great season.
Neither Dave, nor I cared at all who won the overall championship. >>>>>> The racing itself was the thing.
This actually reminded me that I'd always wanted to see just how
close it was over the entire season, and the answer is:
ridiculously close.
I just had Gemini total up all the results for all the races where >>>>>> Dave and I both finished and:
"Grand Totals & Overall Season Net Differential
Alan Baker Cumulative Total Time: 257 minutes, 37.825 seconds
David McKay Cumulative Total Time: 258 minutes, 19.191 seconds
Across all 14 races you both completed together that season, Alan >>>>>> Baker finished ahead of David McKay by a total cumulative net
differential of 41.366 seconds! An amazingly close battle over an >>>>>> entire year of racing."
Setting aside Gemini's need to hyperbolize with exclamation
points, it is correct:
The differential between myself and a driver the Liarboy describes >>>>>> as "exceptional" was about 0.16%
I mean, I knew it was close, but I had no idea it was THAT close.
:-)
LOL. You won a race against Floer, placing first! Never won over
McColl.
So how good was Dave McKay? Look at 2023. Doug came back after time >>>>> off and ran most of the races, winning 8. Dave also ran most of the >>>>> races and won 5 times over Doug. FIVE times. Dave also won on
October 8 when Doug had a DNS. You did not race in 2023. Was that
the year you lost a brother?
In 2018 Dave beat Doug 4 times. You won zero races.
In 2017 Dave beat Doug 1 time, you won zero races.
Dave won a single FF season championship, you won zero times.
Dave was a legit competitor to Doug. Alan, Doug and Dave were the
elite drivers over several seasons. You had one good season and
effectively quit after 2022.
You really are a piece of work, Liarboy.
Running head-to-head in 2019, Dave and I were essentially dead even
on performance, but you can't stand that fact, can you?
So I went back and looked at a little more data. Specifically, season
championship points by race. When Dave scored more points than you he
placed ahead of you. Correct?
Look at you!
Moving the goalposts!
Because driver talent or lack of it isn't proven by how many
2019 - Dave ahead in 69% (20 races)
2018 - Dave ahead in 50% (8 races)
2017 - Dave ahead in 88% (8 races)
2016 - Dave ahead in 100% (4 races)
2015 - Dave ahead in 73% (11 Races)
2013-2014 too few head-to-head to matter.
If you disagree with any of these results please give us the dates
and points awarded. I'll be happy to check the SCCBC records and
admit a mistake.
As for McCall and Floer, the two undisputed elite drivers with
multiple season championships each, I think you beat Floer once by a
small margin and never beat McCall. If you dispute that please supply
details.
Then too, there is a participation factor. Your participation was
spotty over all but a few years up to 2019. In 2020 there so few
races no points were awarded. After 2020 you have run in 12 or so
races out of about 120 total, 10% participation. One in the last 3
years and none since the Sept 14 2024 incident. Correct?
And, McKay, Floer and McColl all have won season championships. You
won none. Correct? How can you claim to be in the same category as
any of these three?
championships one has one.
What I know is that all three of them consider me to be their equal
behind the wheel.
They are just nicer people than you. They have real trophies on their shelves. You get a participation trophy. Well, not even that any more.
You even stopped participating.
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