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On Thu, 8/6/2026 6:36 PM, Alan wrote:

Mac Mini M4

"The Apple Mac mini M4 starts at $1,099 CAD on the Apple Store Canada"

10rCacore CPU
10rCacore GPU
16rCacore Neural Engine

passmark multithread 23,611 Multithread bench
Apple M4 10 Core (66%) 4,500 NA Singlethread bench

******* competitor *******

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0DZ6RNV9L

GEEKOM IT13 MAX AI Mini PC, Intel Core Ultra 9 185H, $944.10 CAD 24GB LPDDR5 500GB SSD | up to 5.1GHz, Wi-Fi 7, Dual 2.5G LAN

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236849/intel-core-ultra-9-processor-185h-24m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz/specifications.html

Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (14%) 29,020 NA Multithread bench
Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (53%) 3,661 NA Singlethread bench

P-cores 6 (HT 12 threads)
E-cores 8
LPE cores 2
Total Threads 22

Max Turbo 5.1 GHz
Base Power 45 W
Turbo Power 115 W

Max memory 2x48GB LPDDR5/X (for speed reasons, one DIMM equivalent per channel)

That has 8 core Arc graphics and can run Intels collection
of AI junk. OpenVINO, WindowsML, DirectML, ONNX RT, WebGPU.
The system RAM is too low to be doing any decent models,
but the chip supports mapping of a significant percentage
of system RAM. If you fill machines like this with max RAM,
the box price starts heading for $3K. You can still buy the
box as configured, and enjoy it with no LLM-AI activity whatsoever.

*******

I'd rather have a properly selected desktop, rather than
squeeze that into a mini-PC. There are a few machines intended
for AI use, that are packed like sardines. It's just not
reasonable to do that, when the machine needs to breath. That's
why my Big Machine blows the curtains on the other side of the
room (I didn't know it could do that).

If you're going to spend money on RAM these days, it might
as well be bolted to a decent "carcass" :-) The RAM situation
tips everything upside down when shopping.

The Geekom IT13 makes a fine general purpose machine, but
it's kinda overkill for a desktop websurfer. The engine components
are in it for AI work (just needs max ram installed though). And if you're
web surfing as an Olympic event, it would web surf better
with Linux than with Windows (threading issue).

The people who buy mini-PC, do not normally shop at that
price level. That's like in the "old days", shopping for
high end NUC. Sure, at least one person in the Windows group
bought a high end NUC, but Intel was very happy to sell you
one of those, for the margin on it. The mini-PC industry
of today, is partially the result of Intel leaving behind
the NUC business (Intel likes to shut down everything
that is a "distraction", which is a weird policy if it
makes money). Today, Intel could not compete with the
mini-PC people, they would eat Intels lunch.

Paul
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2026 01:12:21 -0400, Paul wrote:

If you fill machines like this with max RAM, the box price starts
heading for $3K. You can still buy the box as configured, and enjoy
it with no LLM-AI activity whatsoever.

Also remember you can add more RAM to the non-Apple machine later
(if/when prices drop to a more reasonable level), whereas with Apple,
what you get up front is what you get full stop. No upgrade options.
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On 2026-08-07 1:12 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Thu, 8/6/2026 6:36 PM, Alan wrote:

Mac Mini M4

"The Apple Mac mini M4 starts at $1,099 CAD on the Apple Store Canada"

10rCacore CPU
10rCacore GPU
16rCacore Neural Engine

passmark multithread 23,611 Multithread bench
Apple M4 10 Core (66%) 4,500 NA Singlethread bench

******* competitor *******

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B0DZ6RNV9L

GEEKOM IT13 MAX AI Mini PC, Intel Core Ultra 9 185H, $944.10 CAD 24GB LPDDR5 500GB SSD | up to 5.1GHz, Wi-Fi 7, Dual 2.5G LAN

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/236849/intel-core-ultra-9-processor-185h-24m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz/specifications.html

Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (14%) 29,020 NA Multithread bench
Intel Core Ultra 9 185H (53%) 3,661 NA Singlethread bench

P-cores 6 (HT 12 threads)
E-cores 8
LPE cores 2
Total Threads 22

Max Turbo 5.1 GHz
Base Power 45 W
Turbo Power 115 W

Max memory 2x48GB LPDDR5/X (for speed reasons, one DIMM equivalent per channel)

That has 8 core Arc graphics and can run Intels collection
of AI junk. OpenVINO, WindowsML, DirectML, ONNX RT, WebGPU.
The system RAM is too low to be doing any decent models,
but the chip supports mapping of a significant percentage
of system RAM. If you fill machines like this with max RAM,
the box price starts heading for $3K. You can still buy the
box as configured, and enjoy it with no LLM-AI activity whatsoever.

*******

I'd rather have a properly selected desktop, rather than
squeeze that into a mini-PC. There are a few machines intended
for AI use, that are packed like sardines. It's just not
reasonable to do that, when the machine needs to breath. That's
why my Big Machine blows the curtains on the other side of the
room (I didn't know it could do that).

If you're going to spend money on RAM these days, it might
as well be bolted to a decent "carcass" :-) The RAM situation
tips everything upside down when shopping.

The Geekom IT13 makes a fine general purpose machine, but
it's kinda overkill for a desktop websurfer. The engine components
are in it for AI work (just needs max ram installed though). And if you're web surfing as an Olympic event, it would web surf better
with Linux than with Windows (threading issue).

The people who buy mini-PC, do not normally shop at that
price level. That's like in the "old days", shopping for
high end NUC. Sure, at least one person in the Windows group
bought a high end NUC, but Intel was very happy to sell you
one of those, for the margin on it. The mini-PC industry
of today, is partially the result of Intel leaving behind
the NUC business (Intel likes to shut down everything
that is a "distraction", which is a weird policy if it
makes money). Today, Intel could not compete with the
mini-PC people, they would eat Intels lunch.

The difference being that the Mac Mini will run silent and the PC
equivalent will be as loud as a hair dryer to provide you with better multi-core performance.
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air

If the threat of violence is necessary to convince others of the
validity of your faith, your beliefs have no merit.
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Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/6/2026 5:49 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288>

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040>

That's just...sad.

And yet I have zero issues using it!

Just ask him for the price of the Mac Mini M4 with comparable specs -
i.e. RAM, SSD storage, ports, etc. - as your Mini-PC. After all, we're
in for a laugh.

N.B. I had such a (non-)contest once with him. Sadly for him, my phone out-specced his - sometimes by a factor of two - and was half the price.

Bottom line: Apple makes good stuff. Whether you can and want to pay
their prices is another matter. But more to the point, the 'comparison'
is moot anyway, because it doesn't run most of our software.

FTR, some of my loved ones use Apple devices and are very happy with
them. Good on them!
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On Fri, 8/7/2026 7:31 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

The difference being that the Mac Mini will run silent and the
PC equivalent will be as loud as a hair dryer to provide you with
better multi-core performance.

They make convection cooled versions, of mini-PC.

And they were doing this, before Joel's form factor came along.
They used to bolt these to the back of computer monitors (VESA
plate holes), for usage in call centers. These are bigger than
a mini-PC, and that is the "penalty" of a silent design. That
large aluminum plate.

https://www.amazon.ca/MSECORE-Industrial-i7-5500U-Fanless-Computer/dp/B09P2WZHFN

Some of those in the past, were unnecessarily expensive.
That's why they weren't mainstream.

The fins on those are "right-sized". To use 3 inch tall fins,
you run a heat pipe through the end of the fins, to make
better usage of the fins. The industrial PC people, haven't
heard of heat pipes or vapor chambers :-) [cost too much].
Only the part of the fin that provides actual cooling,
is included. That reduces the mass of the plate, as well.

Convection cooling requires surface area. The larger
the heat load, the larger the plate. The Zalman computer
case for $1000, that was the pinnacle of convection cooling
(for recording studio computers). That came with a series
of heat pipes, for conducting heat to the box "skin". There
was a fanless power supply inside, 400W output. The box
never ran at 400W, that was out of reach, but a 150W PC
could be handled fine by the box. That was within the realm
of possibility. That's so it wouldn't throttle.

https://www.quietpc.com/tnn500af

That's just to demo a possibility. When you see how
that works internally, you get some idea of the
challenges involved in such cooling schemes.

On the low end, the industrial PC people will try to compete
with the mini-PC people. But as the boxes approach high end,
you'll be paying a thousand too much for the box, just
because of "business pricing". And we already have segments
of the industry doing that -- that's how you can have a
"sale" where the item is half-price, and they're still making
money off it.

Paul
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On 8/6/2026 8:25 PM, Alan wrote:

I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not
legitimate intellectual property.-a The company in China bought
gray- market licenses from an organization that sourced such from >>>>>> MS previous to that.-a That is a violation of MS's license
agreement. They tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with
sketch software though.-a As for the cost of the hardware, it was >>>>>> $270 on Amazon.

So you buying from sketchy sources is whose fault?

It was sold on Amazon.

So what? Every intelligent person knows that there are lots of
sketchy sellers on Amazon.

Which does explain why you bought it anyway.

Uh huh, but that was intentional, Alan, I wanted the inexpensive
hardware.-a I did not want their gray-market OS license, nevertheless.

So your inexpensive hardware suddenly became a lot more expensive,
didn't it?

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to use it
on the previous mini, but it kept crashing because the CPU was too slow.
I bought it for the same *reason*, though, because *both* minis came
with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 8/7/2026 10:03 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Joel W. Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/6/2026 5:49 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288> >>>
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>>
That's just...sad.

And yet I have zero issues using it!

Just ask him for the price of the Mac Mini M4 with comparable specs -
i.e. RAM, SSD storage, ports, etc. - as your Mini-PC. After all, we're
in for a laugh.

N.B. I had such a (non-)contest once with him. Sadly for him, my phone out-specced his - sometimes by a factor of two - and was half the price.

Bottom line: Apple makes good stuff. Whether you can and want to pay
their prices is another matter. But more to the point, the 'comparison'
is moot anyway, because it doesn't run most of our software.

FTR, some of my loved ones use Apple devices and are very happy with
them. Good on them!

It is true that I have a lot of storage and ample RAM relative to an
Apple device.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 2026-08-07 08:26, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/6/2026 8:25 PM, Alan wrote:

I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not >>>>>>> legitimate intellectual property.-a The company in China bought >>>>>>> gray- market licenses from an organization that sourced such from >>>>>>> MS previous to that.-a That is a violation of MS's license
agreement. They tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with
sketch software though.-a As for the cost of the hardware, it was >>>>>>> $270 on Amazon.

So you buying from sketchy sources is whose fault?

It was sold on Amazon.

So what? Every intelligent person knows that there are lots of
sketchy sellers on Amazon.

Which does explain why you bought it anyway.

Uh huh, but that was intentional, Alan, I wanted the inexpensive
hardware.-a I did not want their gray-market OS license, nevertheless.

So your inexpensive hardware suddenly became a lot more expensive,
didn't it?

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to use it
on the previous mini, but it kept crashing because the CPU was too slow.
-aI bought it for the same *reason*, though, because *both* minis came
with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.

So you still had to buy extra stuff to end up with one system you want
to use.

Got it.
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On 8/8/2026 2:58 PM, Alan wrote:

I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not >>>>>>>> legitimate intellectual property.-a The company in China bought >>>>>>>> gray- market licenses from an organization that sourced such
from MS previous to that.-a That is a violation of MS's license >>>>>>>> agreement. They tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with
sketch software though.-a As for the cost of the hardware, it was >>>>>>>> $270 on Amazon.

So you buying from sketchy sources is whose fault?

It was sold on Amazon.

So what? Every intelligent person knows that there are lots of
sketchy sellers on Amazon.

Which does explain why you bought it anyway.

Uh huh, but that was intentional, Alan, I wanted the inexpensive
hardware.-a I did not want their gray-market OS license, nevertheless.

So your inexpensive hardware suddenly became a lot more expensive,
didn't it?

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to use
it on the previous mini, but it kept crashing because the CPU was too
slow. -a-aI bought it for the same *reason*, though, because *both*
minis came with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.

So you still had to buy extra stuff to end up with one system you want
to use.

Got it.

No, I don't think you got it. Windows 11 is intellectual property.
Paying for a legit license is not "extra stuff", it's required if one
doesn't want to just be some person buying it as it comes from a dealer
not working directly with MS. And having to buy a second mini PC may
have cost something but big deal, these are commodity products, unlike
your Apple luxury bullshit.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 2026-08-08 12:35, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/8/2026 2:58 PM, Alan wrote:

I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not >>>>>>>>> legitimate intellectual property.-a The company in China bought >>>>>>>>> gray- market licenses from an organization that sourced such >>>>>>>>> from MS previous to that.-a That is a violation of MS's license >>>>>>>>> agreement. They tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with >>>>>>>>> sketch software though.-a As for the cost of the hardware, it >>>>>>>>> was $270 on Amazon.

So you buying from sketchy sources is whose fault?

It was sold on Amazon.

So what? Every intelligent person knows that there are lots of
sketchy sellers on Amazon.

Which does explain why you bought it anyway.

Uh huh, but that was intentional, Alan, I wanted the inexpensive
hardware.-a I did not want their gray-market OS license, nevertheless. >>>>

So your inexpensive hardware suddenly became a lot more expensive,
didn't it?

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to use
it on the previous mini, but it kept crashing because the CPU was too
slow. -a-aI bought it for the same *reason*, though, because *both*
minis came with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.

So you still had to buy extra stuff to end up with one system you want
to use.

Got it.

No, I don't think you got it.-a Windows 11 is intellectual property.
Paying for a legit license is not "extra stuff", it's required if one doesn't want to just be some person buying it as it comes from a dealer
not working directly with MS.-a And having to buy a second mini PC may
have cost something but big deal, these are commodity products, unlike
your Apple luxury bullshit.

You paid extra for the "previous mini" you "*attempted* to use", but
which ended up, "keeping" crashing because the CPU was too slow".

Any way you slice it, you've bought more stuff to finally end up with something you describe as merely adequate.
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On Sat, 8/8/2026 2:58 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-07 08:26, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/6/2026 8:25 PM, Alan wrote:

I paid the $200 because the Win11 Pro that came with it was not legitimate intellectual property.-a The company in China bought gray- market licenses from an organization that sourced such from MS previous to that.-a That is a violation of MS's license agreement. They tolerate it, maybe, I don't fuck around with sketch software though.-a As for the cost of the hardware, it was $270 on Amazon.

So you buying from sketchy sources is whose fault?

It was sold on Amazon.

So what? Every intelligent person knows that there are lots of sketchy sellers on Amazon.

Which does explain why you bought it anyway.

Uh huh, but that was intentional, Alan, I wanted the inexpensive hardware.-a I did not want their gray-market OS license, nevertheless.

So your inexpensive hardware suddenly became a lot more expensive, didn't it?

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to use it on the previous mini,
but it kept crashing because the CPU was too slow. -a-aI bought it for the same *reason*, though,
because *both* minis came with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.

So you still had to buy extra stuff to end up with one system you want to use.

Got it.

O.o Well, not really.

For these OS examples (W10/W11), it runs whether it has a license or not,
as the licensing on the consumer version at least, has "infinite grace period".

The stability of the OS is not affected by CPU speed. That's silly.
It has to run on 2 watt hardware and 500 watt hardware. You just
have to be patient if running on 2 watt hardware. That's the difference.

If you're getting execution errors or OS BSODs, you should be running
your memtest and other verification utilities (Prime95 Torture Test),
to see if there is a hardware issue or not.

Modern memory can be excellent, because it can be internally banked,
and the individual banks don't have to run that fast to fill a request.
Even the PCB level bus behavior (on DDR4 only) is quite forgiving -- no derating
with two sticks versus four sticks. DDR5 goes back to the sensitive
behavior, where 1DPC (DIMM Per Channel) is the recommended config for
that case. That's if you want to run with a sky high clock. If you're
happy with some older JEDEC rate, then the four DDR5 sticks run fine.

A machine that "kept crashing", has some kind of issue, but it ain't speed.
I have a problem on this machine, where no log entries are generated and
the machine turns off the +5VSB to all the HID devices (and the USB ports). This is an "obvious kind of signaling" from something at a low level.
It could be related to an NVidia driver (which are containerized), but
I've not been able to Google up a match on the symptoms. An identical motherboard (equipped with half as much RAM), does not show these
symptoms. But there are many differences between the machines so you
cannot conclude too much from that. The memory in both cases, has been
memtest tested (and more than once). The problem does not show up
under Linux.

I've had other hardware cases here, where both the Windows OS of the
time as well as the Linux of the time, were both attending the same
crash festival in under two minutes. That tells you the design has
an "Intel Problem" (440BX). Infinitely stable ( 16 hours Prime95 )
with less than 768MB RAM installed, any RAM combo above 768MB
results in a crash under two minutes (on either OS, on Linux the
kernel hanging on for longer than any application can).

Even on OEM machines you've purchased, you should still be
running your verification suite when you take delivery. This is
NOT a magical licensing issue. It's hardware. Or unripe drivers.
If a Microsoft license wants to stop you, the symptoms will
be unmistakable. It won't be "some subtle thing that matches
a hardware induced failure". They'll just stop you. I've had
machines freeze instantly, on a licensing issue. The responses are:

1) Freeze instantly (move disk between machines, now try and boot)
2) 72 hours grace (while you work out license issue)
3) 30 day grace (after initial installation of the older OSes)

W10 and W11, you can MOVE THE C: HARD DRIVES BETWEEN MACHINES.
You can MOVE THE unlicensed C: HARD DRIVES BETWEEN MACHINES.
Why, why, it's fucking Linux :-) Well, not quite. You can
run W10/W11 off a USB interface storage device (tested),
but it takes a registry setting to do that. I used a USB3 to SATA
adapter and a SATA SSD for that test (there could be too much
write activity for a cheap regular USB stick to put up with that).

Normally, the drives here are marked according to which machine
they belong to. But accidents happen, and a few times, I've plugged
the drive into the wrong machine, and you can tell from the behavior
it is "searching for drivers", for any driver which is not an
in-box driver. It doesn't actually scream "I'm on the wrong machine!".
It just quietly deals with it.

On both Windows and Linux, my TV Tuner card (Hauppauge) cannot
work without my assistance. Not all the necessary materials
are present in the correct "holes" on either OS. But it only
takes about ten minutes work to fix that. Hauppauge does not
submit drivers to catalog.update.microsoft.com . I only discovered
in the last month or two, Hauppauge had made a token gesture towards
Linux (their server with the Linux driver being now disabled). It doesn't
take too long to find a copy. Just not a one-hop process. For some
add-on hardware, it's still a "quaint process to follow". That's why
you pay them the big-bucks. For the steam punk thing.

Paul
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On 8/8/2026 4:19 PM, Alan wrote:

I actually already had the Win11 license because I *attempted* to
use it on the previous mini, but it kept crashing because the CPU
was too slow. -a-aI bought it for the same *reason*, though, because
*both* minis came with gray-market 11 Pro licenses.

So you still had to buy extra stuff to end up with one system you
want to use.

Got it.

No, I don't think you got it.-a Windows 11 is intellectual property.
Paying for a legit license is not "extra stuff", it's required if one
doesn't want to just be some person buying it as it comes from a
dealer not working directly with MS.-a And having to buy a second mini
PC may have cost something but big deal, these are commodity products,
unlike your Apple luxury bullshit.

You paid extra for the "previous mini" you "*attempted* to use", but
which ended up, "keeping" crashing because the CPU was too slow".

Any way you slice it, you've bought more stuff to finally end up with something you describe as merely adequate.

The previous mini is still useful for Linux, and can be repurposed.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 16:46:49 -0400, Paul wrote:

The stability of the OS is not affected by CPU speed. That's silly.

Windows *is* silly. That should be apparent to everyone already.

Could a slower processor uncover lurking race conditions that get
masked on faster machines?

With Windows, anything is possible ...
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At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows.

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web
access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288>

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040>

That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>
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On 2026-08-10 6:35 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web
access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288> >>
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>
That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

It might just be powerful enough to run Leisure Suit Larry AND
Calculator simultaneously.
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On Mon, 8/10/2026 8:05 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 6:35 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288> >>>
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>>
That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

It might just be powerful enough to run Leisure Suit Larry AND Calculator simultaneously.

I'm sure we can find something...

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (86%) 171,200 NA MultiThread bench
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (66%) 4,542 NA SingleThread bench

Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-pro-9995wx.c4163

96C 192T 350 Watts MSRP of $11700

"but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

Paul


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On 2026-08-10 03:35, vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web
access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288> >>
<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>
That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

And?
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 8/10/2026 8:05 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 6:35 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>>>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288>

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>>>
That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

It might just be powerful enough to run Leisure Suit Larry AND Calculator simultaneously.

I'm sure we can find something...

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (86%) 171,200 NA MultiThread bench AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (66%) 4,542 NA SingleThread bench

Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-pro-9995wx.c4163

96C 192T 350 Watts MSRP of $11700

"but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

ThererCOs little question that thererCOs some serious chips out thererCa

rCabut at $11.7K, thatrCOs at around two full orders of magnitude too pricy for Joel to contemplate.

(And IrCOve not really been following this .. is this JoelrCOs *THIRD* replacement PC now?)

-hh
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On Mon, 8/10/2026 6:39 PM, -hh wrote:

ThererCOs little question that thererCOs some serious chips out thererCa

rCabut at $11.7K, thatrCOs at around two full orders of magnitude too pricy for
Joel to contemplate.

(And IrCOve not really been following this .. is this JoelrCOs *THIRD* replacement PC now?)

-hh

I've had days like that.

That's why we have a junk room :-)

The junk tends to collect like this.
Over a long time scale.

/\ /\ 2030+
----/ \-----/ \---------------- <crickets>
(RAMpocalypse)

You should ask Vallor, what it would cost today
to replace his system memory, with DDR5 sticks.
That $11.7K, really isn't a lot of money any more.
Properly equipping the $11.7K processor with memory,
costs a lot more than the processor itself. It's got
so bad, some computers, the figure at the cash could
be $100K for the gubbins inside. Like if you fit
6TB of memory, to a dual socket server. As Bill Gates
would say "6TB of memory, should be enough for anyone".
You could even fit Kimi model in there.

Paul
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On 2026-08-10 11:32 a.m., Paul wrote:

On Mon, 8/10/2026 8:05 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 6:35 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never
had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>>>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288>

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040> >>>>
That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

It might just be powerful enough to run Leisure Suit Larry AND Calculator simultaneously.

I'm sure we can find something...

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (86%) 171,200 NA MultiThread bench AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (66%) 4,542 NA SingleThread bench

Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-pro-9995wx.c4163

96C 192T 350 Watts MSRP of $11700

"but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that can
double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than the quiet, elegant machines they use today.
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
Matthew 7:15
John 14:6
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On 2026-08-10 6:39 p.m., -hh wrote:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 8/10/2026 8:05 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 6:35 a.m., vallor wrote:

At Thu, 6 Aug 2026 14:49:13 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2026-08-05 15:08, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 6:05 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 5:56 PM, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:48 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-05 14:27, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/5/2026 5:22 PM, Paul wrote:

On Wed, 8/5/2026 4:10 PM, Alan wrote:

No dollar figures...except you're already in $200 for Windows. >>>>>>>>>>>

It's an N150 based miniPC

No, I replaced that one with an eight-thread AMD CPU/GPU.

So you paid twice to get the computer you actually needed.

I am intending to give the previous one to a friend who's never >>>>>>>> had a PC of his own, putting Linux on it for him, to have basic Web >>>>>>>> access.

What's your new one ?

Quite a few processors would be 4C 8T.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHV7W7F6

AMD Ryzen 5300U

So less than half the CPU power in a Mac Mini M4

9,240 vs 23,611 on cpubenchmark.net.

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+3+5300U&id=4288>

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Apple+M4+10+Core&id=6040>

That's just...sad.

Don't look now, but there's a hot rod on the track:

62,898

<https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+Threadripper+3970X&id=3623>

It might just be powerful enough to run Leisure Suit Larry AND Calculator simultaneously.

I'm sure we can find something...

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (86%) 171,200 NA MultiThread bench >> AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX (66%) 4,542 NA SingleThread bench >>
Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-pro-9995wx.c4163

96C 192T 350 Watts MSRP of $11700

"but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

ThererCOs little question that thererCOs some serious chips out thererCa

rCabut at $11.7K, thatrCOs at around two full orders of magnitude too pricy for
Joel to contemplate.

(And IrCOve not really been following this .. is this JoelrCOs *THIRD* replacement PC now?)

You can't imagine the processing power necessary to display images of
"girl cock!"
--
CrudeSausage
M4 MacBook Air
Matthew 7:15
John 14:6
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On 8/10/2026 6:39 PM, -hh wrote:

(And IrCOve not really been following this .. is this JoelrCOs *THIRD* replacement PC now?)

There have been two mini PCs I ordered, since I stopped using the self-assembled box. The first one had a minimal CPU, and wasn't really
good enough for Win11, but runs Linux fine. I'm planning to repurpose
it. The second one may get groans from Alan, being the Apple snob he
is, but it works great for me.
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Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 8/11/2026 8:44 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

You can't imagine the processing power necessary to display images of
"girl cock!"

You're just jealous that I'm so popular with trans *and* cis women.
--
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Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On Tue, 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers
that can double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather
than the quiet, elegant machines they use today.

You could convection cool it. It just needs a large
enough metal plate, and "some" heat pipes :-) The Zalman
computer case comes to mind (that's a box intended
for recording studio usage). That's to give some idea,
how big the case would have to be.

The Zalman case was not perfect, but it was an
interesting design concept pointing at how to do it.
In the picture, you can see it does have an air vent
on the back, and as far as I was concerned, for
random heat loads not coupled to pipes, you still
should have one exhaust fan, like a Vantec Stealth.
That's so random heat sources, do not shoot off
to infinity on you. You have to take care of your toys.
The Vantec fan was amazing, in that *none* of mine ever
wore out. I have Nidecs and Deltas that wore out, but then,
they were louder than hell.

https://www.quietpc.com/tnn500af

The heat load from a larger CPU, would require
more heat pipes and taller or wider case. Even a
material change (expensive copper plate instead of extruded
aluminum) might be needed, but I think it's still theoretically
possible. Some of Zalmans creations, used a mix of copper
and aluminum plates, trading performance and economy.

Convection cooling requires larger spacing between fins.
Like maybe a spacing of 8mm. Some of the computer coolers we buy,
the engineer has used convection spacing, yet the cooler has
a fan on it. So occasionally, you get to see coolers with
the "wrong" spacing. If you have a fan to "pressurize" a
cooler, you can use tighter fin spacing and have more fins
in the thing. The 250W air cooler (which is not a Noctua),
uses that concept and is relatively quiet. I was shocked
at how good that was, when I fitted one of those in the
Big Machine. If just that cooler was needed for a project,
there would be hardly any complaints. It's the other fans
that sound like a rock band. But such a setup is not
"Recording Studio quiet", which is why the Zalman exists.

And I don't think I've seen a knockoff version of that
either. That's not a project for just everyone -- you'll
get thermal paste all over you :-) There are a lot of
heat pipes to butter up.

Paul
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On 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 11:32 a.m., Paul wrote:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX-a (86%)-a 171,200-a-a NA-a-a MultiThread >> bench
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX-a (66%)-a-a-a 4,542-a-a NA-a-a SingleThread
bench

Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-pro-9995wx.c4163

-a-a-a 96C 192T 350 Watts-a MSRP of $11700

-a-a-a-a "but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that can double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than the quiet, elegant machines they use today.

Yeah their computers are cool and quiet but running a lame-ass OS.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 2026-08-11 14:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

On 2026-08-10 11:32 a.m., Paul wrote:

AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX-a (86%)-a 171,200-a-a NA-a-a MultiThread >>> bench
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 9995WX-a (66%)-a-a-a 4,542-a-a NA-a-a SingleThread
bench

Take that and that, AppleFanClub :-)

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-threadripper-
pro-9995wx.c4163

-a-a-a 96C 192T 350 Watts-a MSRP of $11700

-a-a-a-a "but can boost up to 5.4 GHz, depending on the workload"

Yes, running SuperPI 1.5XS all day long, that's my workload.

There you go. I could pair that with my two GT1030 cards :-)

With a processor that powerful, you don't even need RAM!
Your kernel could live in the L3 cache. You could do your
taxes in the L2 cache.

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that can
double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than the
quiet, elegant machines they use today.

Yeah their computers are cool and quiet but running a lame-ass OS.

Except you've yet to ever articulate a single way macOS is supposedly "lame-ass", beyond:

"Waahhh! I don't like it!".
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On 8/11/2026 5:23 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-11 14:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that
can double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than the
quiet, elegant machines they use today.

Yeah their computers are cool and quiet but running a lame-ass OS.

Except you've yet to ever articulate a single way macOS is supposedly "lame-ass", beyond:

"Waahhh! I don't like it!".

That's a good reason, though, because I'm cool AF.
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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On 2026-08-11 14:26, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 5:23 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-11 14:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that
can double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than
the quiet, elegant machines they use today.

Yeah their computers are cool and quiet but running a lame-ass OS.

Except you've yet to ever articulate a single way macOS is supposedly
"lame-ass", beyond:

"Waahhh! I don't like it!".

That's a good reason, though, because I'm cool AF.

Says a sample group of one.
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On 8/11/2026 5:33 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-11 14:26, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 5:23 PM, Alan wrote:

On 2026-08-11 14:00, Joel W. Crump wrote:

On 8/11/2026 8:43 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

I'm sure that all the Apple fans would love to have computers that
can double as room heaters and sound like hair dryers rather than
the quiet, elegant machines they use today.

Yeah their computers are cool and quiet but running a lame-ass OS.

Except you've yet to ever articulate a single way macOS is supposedly
"lame-ass", beyond:

"Waahhh! I don't like it!".

That's a good reason, though, because I'm cool AF.

Says a sample group of one.

Well, in all fairness, Alan, you do give me a good run for my money. ;)
--
Joel W. Crump

Zyprexa - It's not just for schizophrenics, anymore!
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