How many have decided to install Wayland for themselves?
Answer: No one. Their disrtos made the decision on Wayland
and they could only helplessly follow suit.
The lusers on this group do not represent GNU/Linux USERS,
All disagreements are just pathetic attempts to save face
against the very ugly truth.
Le 02-08-2026, Leroy H <lh@somewhere.net> a |-crit-a:
The lusers on this group do not represent GNU/Linux USERS,
They are more Linux USERS than you. When you have an issue with your
joke of an OS, you'd rather rely on Windows than on a real distro.
That's not Linux spirit. You are a real Microsoft Windows USER trying
hard to pretend you know Linux. But you can't fool me. And anyone who
read more than three of your messages can't be fooled.
04.08.2026 06:25, Leroy H wrote:
On Mon, 3 Aug 2026 23:34:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence DrCOOliveiro wrote:Why Arch is a pile-of-garbage?
Think of Slackware as kind of the rCLmissing linkrCY between an earlier
all-or-nothing installation like SLS, and the later appearance of
full-function package managers (Debian, Red Hat etc). ItrCOs an
interesting historical relic, and fun for wannabe geeks who find
Gentoo or Arch or LFS too much to cope with, but IrCOm not sure why you
would want to inflict it on ordinary people ...
Do not ever include that pile-of-garbage ArchLinux with the
venerable Gentoo and LFS.
We do thank you.
Le 04-08-2026, Stanislav N. aka pztrn <pztrn@oldproto.invalid> a |-crit-a:
Why Arch is a pile-of-garbage?
Because the half wit who sent the message you are answering needs to
comfort himself in the belief that he's a Linux master. As he can't
learn anything, he can only despise and hate everything and everyone.
Why Arch is a pile-of-garbage?
Do not ever include that pile-of-garbage ArchLinux with the
venerable Gentoo and LFS.
Because the half wit who sent the message you are answering needs to
comfort himself in the belief that he's a Linux master. As he can't
learn anything, he can only despise and hate everything and everyone.
When you have an issue with your
joke of an OS, you'd rather rely on Windows than on a real distro.
On 08 Aug 2026 10:54:50 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:
Why Arch is a pile-of-garbage?
Do not ever include that pile-of-garbage ArchLinux with the
venerable Gentoo and LFS.
Because the half wit who sent the message you are answering needs to
comfort himself in the belief that he's a Linux master. As he can't
learn anything, he can only despise and hate everything and everyone.
You are wrong again, as usual.
I do not "despise and hate everything." In fact, I love Gentoo
and I love LFS and I will do everything in my substantial power
to advocate them.
It is true that LFS abandoned their SysV build and now only
support that junk systemd, but the decision was due solely
to a manpower shortage and not because they judged systemd
to be superior.
GNU/Linux is largely volunteer driven and the better distros,
like Gentoo and LFS, have trouble attracting good people.
(That problem is universal across all human endeavors. People
are mostly drawn toward junk.)
On 08 Aug 2026 10:54:50 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:
Why Arch is a pile-of-garbage?
Do not ever include that pile-of-garbage ArchLinux with the
venerable Gentoo and LFS.
Because the half wit who sent the message you are answering needs to
comfort himself in the belief that he's a Linux master. As he can't
learn anything, he can only despise and hate everything and everyone.
You are wrong again, as usual.
I do not "despise and hate everything." In fact, I love Gentoo
and I love LFS and I will do everything in my substantial power
to advocate them.
It is true that LFS abandoned their SysV build and now only
support that junk systemd, but the decision was due solely
to a manpower shortage and not because they judged systemd
to be superior.
GNU/Linux is largely volunteer driven and the better distros,
like Gentoo and LFS, have trouble attracting good people.
(That problem is universal across all human endeavors. People
are mostly drawn toward junk.)
You just said that Arch is a pile of garbage. That means you hate it somehow.
I was using Gentoo for so long and love it too, despite on fact that
I either build GENERIC_DISTRO_NAME kernel by using all drivers as modules
OR compile drivers within kernel.
But after some time I realized that I have work to do, not to recompile
whole world because GCC upgrade.
Arch is great if you want vanilla software (almost, with MUCH FEWER patches applied than in any other distro) but do not want to hassle with compilation.
[snip gibberish]
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 07:00:35 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
You just said that Arch is a pile of garbage. That means you hate it somehow.
Arch is just another mainstream distro and ALL mainstream distros
are garbage.
Furthermore, "hate" is the inappropriate term. I have a professional
and rational detestation for such mainstream distros.
I was using Gentoo for so long and love it too, despite on fact that
I either build GENERIC_DISTRO_NAME kernel by using all drivers as modules
OR compile drivers within kernel.
You have the option to build the kernel yourself, independent of the
Gentoo tree and thereby avoid all such issues.
The fault is entirely YOURS, and not with Gentoo.
But after some time I realized that I have work to do, not to recompile
whole world because GCC upgrade.
???????????
There is no reason to recompile world due to a GCC update.
You are totally mistaken.
Arch is great if you want vanilla software (almost, with MUCH FEWER patches >> applied than in any other distro) but do not want to hassle with compilation.
Let us examine the distributed Arch "bash" program, which is located here:
<https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/bash/>
Let us use the "checksec" utility to examine how it was built in terms of "security" features:
<https://github.com/slimm609/checksec>
Here is the checksec output:
RELRO Stack Canary CFI NX PIE RPATH RUNPATH Symbols SafeStack Stack Clash W^X Seg Selfrando Sanitizers FORTIFY Lvl GLIBCXX Assert FORTIFY Fortified Fortifiable Name
Full RELRO Canary Found SHSTK & IBT NX enabled PIE Enabled No RPATH No RUNPATH No Symbols No SafeStack Found No Probes Enabled No Selfrando None Unknown Unknown Yes 12 17 ./bash
In stark contrast, here is the checksec output on my customized Gentoo
bash:
RELRO Stack Canary CFI NX PIE RPATH RUNPATH Symbols SafeStack Stack Clash W^X Seg Selfrando Sanitizers FORTIFY Lvl GLIBCXX Assert FORTIFY Fortified Fortifiable Name
No RELRO No Canary Found NO SHSTK & NO IBT NX enabled PIE Disabled No RPATH No RUNPATH No Symbols No SafeStack Found No Probes Enabled No Selfrando None Unknown Unknown No 0 12 /bin/bash
Notice the extreme difference. The "RELRO," "Stack Canary," "CFI,"
"PIE," and "Fortify" fields are enabled in Arch but disabled in my
custom Gentoo build. This is an extremely significant difference
and it indicates that Arch is garbage and junk.
And how many distros you have built from scratch and how many
of them are in use by users other than you?
There is nothing to "avoid", I built my kernel from Gentoo tree and it was running fine.
So libc update doesn't requiring world rebuild? Whoah, how did they managed it?
- RELRO is a relocation of critical things like GOT (Global Offset Table) to read-only memory so other processes cannot change it and inject own code into control flow.
- Stack Canary essentially is buffer overflow protection mechanism. Attacker will be unable to write something to memory outside of designated buffer and eventually won't hack you.
- CFI is "Control Flow Integrity", so attacker won't be able to inject bad things in it and overtake application's control flow.
- PIE is "Position-Independed Executables". These executables on startup will be loaded in random memory location to harden defense against attackers who tries to change memory bytes. Part of ASLR mechanism.
- Fortify is FORTIFY_SOURCES, a mechanism that tries to prevent buffer overflows and string format injections (and some other attack vectors).
Are you REALLY sure that YOUR bash binary is more secure than in Arch? It is more likely you've tried to get most from your system's performance and deliberately disabled some protection measures that kind-of eat it.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 08:39:57 +0500, Stanislav N. aka pztrn wrote:
And how many distros you have built from scratch and how many
of them are in use by users other than you?
That's the whole purpose of GNU/Linux. Is is not?
Every installation is different and unique to the individual
that builds it. GNU/Linux allows nearly infinite configuration
possibilities and can accommodate any need.
I deeply pity those poor fools that can only depend on a one-size-fits-all distro.
There is nothing to "avoid", I built my kernel from Gentoo tree and it was running fine.
Then don't complain.
So libc update doesn't requiring world rebuild? Whoah, how did they managed it?
No, it does not. I just built the newly released glibc-2.44 (it only requires
three minutes) and NOTHING needed to be rebuilt. NOTHING.
You are entirely mistaken.
The GLIBC folks do not ever break user space.
- RELRO is a relocation of critical things like GOT (Global Offset Table) to read-only memory so other processes cannot change it and inject own code into control flow.
- Stack Canary essentially is buffer overflow protection mechanism. Attacker will be unable to write something to memory outside of designated buffer and eventually won't hack you.
- CFI is "Control Flow Integrity", so attacker won't be able to inject bad things in it and overtake application's control flow.
- PIE is "Position-Independed Executables". These executables on startup will be loaded in random memory location to harden defense against attackers who tries to change memory bytes. Part of ASLR mechanism.
- Fortify is FORTIFY_SOURCES, a mechanism that tries to prevent buffer overflows and string format injections (and some other attack vectors).
Are you REALLY sure that YOUR bash binary is more secure than in Arch? It is more likely you've tried to get most from your system's performance and deliberately disabled some protection measures that kind-of eat it.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
I operate a standalone desktop workstation and such "security" concerns
are totally irrelevant as well as being a serious detriment to performance.
I understand hardware from logic gates on up (but you don't) and such "security"
crap is ludicrous in the extreme.
Please do not respond further. It is obvious that your technical knowledge is highly deficient and I surely cannot waste my time attempting to explain digital fundamentals to someone like you.
And how many distros you have built from scratch and how manyThat's the whole purpose of GNU/Linux. Is is not?
of them are in use by users other than you?
I deeply pity those poor fools that can only depend on a one-size-fits-all >> distro.
It is great you have so much time for that.
Lets see what will you say when your data will be stolen via chained exploit when you enter your entertaining website.tld with "special" banner of javascript
injection. Or when you'll became a part of botnet. AIDE is working on your side,
right? Or you adopted something like ostree to make your system and important binaries/libraries immutable? You wrote BPF program that will reject suspicious
packets BEFORE they processed by kernel or network card module? Are you killing
unknown processes automatically?
I understand hardware from logic gates on up (but you don't) and such "security"
crap is ludicrous in the extreme.
Is your path "security by obscurity"? :)
And if you understand hardware logic - what next 5 vulnerabilities in Intel/AMD will be discovered?
Please do not respond further. It is obvious that your technical knowledge >> is highly deficient and I surely cannot waste my time attempting to explain >> digital fundamentals to someone like you.
Instead of being so offensive you should try to explain your POV without any offense. And maybe your words won't sound so stupid and selfish. It is unprofessional ->ro|_(paa)_ro+->.
On 09/08/2026 05:11, Leroy H wrote:
And how many distros you have built from scratch and how manyThat's the whole purpose of GNU/Linux. Is is not?
of them are in use by users other than you?
No, it isn't.
There is no 'point' to Linux. There is no DivinePlanrao.
If you want one of those, go and talk to a born again Xtian or a radical Muslim
Linux is a name for a collection of code that does some useful things.
What things those are depends on what your needs are.
If you just want something that works like you always hoped Windows
would with good support and broad penetration, you pick a linux
DISTRIBUTION that is well maintained and popular.
If you want to run a public facing web server you pick a distro that is conservative and stable and well patched against exploits
Only if you are an inadequate geek lacking in self esteem do you pick
some obscure distro you have to build from source just so you can brag
about it
If you got it, then flaunt it.Did you know that since I was last sitting responding to your posts I haven't thought about you, or anything you say for a single microsecond.
I just love to see the peons drool with envy.
In MY world you might as well not exist
It's not envy, its complete indifference
On Sat, 8 Aug 2026 21:27:23 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
[snip gibberish]
If I had wanted some technical ignoramus imbecile to respond
to my post I would have pinned it to the bulletin board of the
nearest retard asylum.
On Sun, 9 Aug 2026 20:31:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
In MY world you might as well not exist
It's not envy, its complete indifference
Yet you were compelled to take the time from your otherwise
busy life in order to tell me that.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! I understand my slaves and I will treat
them accordingly.
On 08 Aug 2026 09:45:57 GMT, St|-phane CARPENTIER wrote:
When you have an issue with your
joke of an OS, you'd rather rely on Windows than on a real distro.
All of my former "issues" have been resolved.
I can now access any web site from my superior, hand-crafted, GNU/Linux installation.
There is only one single exception but that is somehow due to
DNS lookup. When I have the time, and the inclination, I will
also debug this last remaining issue.
YOU are the one that must rely on a "real distro."
Sure, I encounter problems on occasion but I will eventually discover
the cause by way of intelligent debugging.
YOU cannot do the same.
If YOU experience problems
then YOU must wait until your "real distro" provides a solution.
YOU cannot debug because
YOU cannot understand.
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