On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600) >> version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're
supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the
Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much
as everyone else is.
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600) >>> version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're
supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much
as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600) >>> version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're
supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much
as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
On 2026-05-12 16:42, RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much
as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
Last time I checked, no one was forcing anyone to buy Apple's products...
...and yet they command tremendous loyalty.
Alan wrote this screed in ALL-CAPS:
On 2026-05-12 16:42, RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>>>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much >>>> as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
Last time I checked, no one was forcing anyone to buy Apple's products...
...and yet they command tremendous loyalty.
Same with Linux!d
On 2026-05-12 7:42 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much
as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
In the case of the Neo, I don't think they have a choice but to move to another tier soon since they've run out of the chips they used to make
the Neo. They didn't expect it to be such a success as much as I did. As
for the Mac Mini, it really just seems to be due to the increase in the price of RAM.
On 2026-05-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-12 7:42 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the >>>>> Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much >>>> as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
In the case of the Neo, I don't think they have a choice but to move to
another tier soon since they've run out of the chips they used to make
the Neo. They didn't expect it to be such a success as much as I did. As
for the Mac Mini, it really just seems to be due to the increase in the
price of RAM.
Yeah, I read about the chips in the original Neos. CPUs that didn't meet
pass their test, so they were rated lower and used in the Neos. I don't really mind that, but they could have upped the $600 Neos to $700 instead of just dropping that tier altogether.
At any rate, Adios on the idea of a buying an Apple Mac anytime in the future.
On 2026-05-17 12:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-12 7:42 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the
Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much >>>>> as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
In the case of the Neo, I don't think they have a choice but to move to
another tier soon since they've run out of the chips they used to make
the Neo. They didn't expect it to be such a success as much as I did. As >>> for the Mac Mini, it really just seems to be due to the increase in the
price of RAM.
Yeah, I read about the chips in the original Neos. CPUs that didn't meet
pass their test, so they were rated lower and used in the Neos. I don't
really mind that, but they could have upped the $600 Neos to $700 instead of >> just dropping that tier altogether.
At any rate, Adios on the idea of a buying an Apple Mac anytime in the
future.
As much as I like the hardware myself, I'm not entirely convinced that I will be a Mac user going forward. There are tons of little things we
take for granted that don't work the way you would expect them to in
MacOS. For example, alt-T to go into the Tools menu in Betterbird. No combination of Command-T, Option-T or Control-T manages the same thing.
I'm also not a big fan of file management in MacOS. It seems obsolete in comparison to both Linux and Windows. Add to that the fact that I can't upgrade my hardware in any way and it just seems like I'd be better off elsewhere.
On 2026-05-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-17 12:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-12 7:42 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're >>>>>>> supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the
Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much >>>>>> as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
In the case of the Neo, I don't think they have a choice but to move to >>>> another tier soon since they've run out of the chips they used to make >>>> the Neo. They didn't expect it to be such a success as much as I did. As >>>> for the Mac Mini, it really just seems to be due to the increase in the >>>> price of RAM.
Yeah, I read about the chips in the original Neos. CPUs that didn't meet >>> pass their test, so they were rated lower and used in the Neos. I don't
really mind that, but they could have upped the $600 Neos to $700 instead of
just dropping that tier altogether.
At any rate, Adios on the idea of a buying an Apple Mac anytime in the
future.
As much as I like the hardware myself, I'm not entirely convinced that I
will be a Mac user going forward. There are tons of little things we
take for granted that don't work the way you would expect them to in
MacOS. For example, alt-T to go into the Tools menu in Betterbird. No
combination of Command-T, Option-T or Control-T manages the same thing.
I'm also not a big fan of file management in MacOS. It seems obsolete in
comparison to both Linux and Windows. Add to that the fact that I can't
upgrade my hardware in any way and it just seems like I'd be better off
elsewhere.
I don't like the keyboard. I've been using the "104" style keyboard for
years and not having two CNTL keys is irritating. (But I guess that only applies when I'm using Linux on a Mac.) Like you, I think the file
management is poor (or at least drastically different). I'm sure I could learn to get around in the Mac OS if I wanted to, but I don't want to. And I'm also not a fan of the lack of customization. I like choice.
It would probably be nice if one of these Linux hardware outfits could
figure out a way to use ARM CPUs, similar to Macs, for some new machines. I've been messing with Raspberry Pis, so I know Linux could run on ARM CPUs. But I guess that would take a lot of work.
On 2026-05-18 4:09 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-17 12:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-13, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-12 7:42 p.m., RonB wrote:
On 2026-05-10, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
On 2026-05-07 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
So, about a week ago, Apple officially dropped the Mac Mini M4 256GB ($600)
version. Now the lowest priced Mac Mini is $800. And now I read they're
supposedly dropping the lowest priced Neo version 256GB (at $600). So the
Neos will jump to $700.
Apple just can't help themselves.
RAM and storage prices have skyrocketed. Apple is impacted just as much >>>>>>> as everyone else is.
So raise the price on the base Mac Mini and Mac Neo enough to accommodate the
increase in the price of RAM.
Problem solved.
Instead they force you to upgrade to a whole new tier.
As I say, Apple being gouging Apple.
In the case of the Neo, I don't think they have a choice but to move to >>>>> another tier soon since they've run out of the chips they used to make >>>>> the Neo. They didn't expect it to be such a success as much as I did. As >>>>> for the Mac Mini, it really just seems to be due to the increase in the >>>>> price of RAM.
Yeah, I read about the chips in the original Neos. CPUs that didn't meet >>>> pass their test, so they were rated lower and used in the Neos. I don't >>>> really mind that, but they could have upped the $600 Neos to $700 instead of
just dropping that tier altogether.
At any rate, Adios on the idea of a buying an Apple Mac anytime in the >>>> future.
As much as I like the hardware myself, I'm not entirely convinced that I >>> will be a Mac user going forward. There are tons of little things we
take for granted that don't work the way you would expect them to in
MacOS. For example, alt-T to go into the Tools menu in Betterbird. No
combination of Command-T, Option-T or Control-T manages the same thing.
I'm also not a big fan of file management in MacOS. It seems obsolete in >>> comparison to both Linux and Windows. Add to that the fact that I can't
upgrade my hardware in any way and it just seems like I'd be better off
elsewhere.
I don't like the keyboard. I've been using the "104" style keyboard for
years and not having two CNTL keys is irritating. (But I guess that only
applies when I'm using Linux on a Mac.) Like you, I think the file
management is poor (or at least drastically different). I'm sure I could
learn to get around in the Mac OS if I wanted to, but I don't want to. And >> I'm also not a fan of the lack of customization. I like choice.
I find that there is enough customization in MacOS. After all, I can
change the icons and the sounds, and that is already more than Windows.
It's not as much as any Linux desktop environment though. Plus, I can
move the dock to where it should logically be, on the left side of the screen, which is something Windows is only planning to have five years
after Windows 11's initial release.
It would probably be nice if one of these Linux hardware outfits could
figure out a way to use ARM CPUs, similar to Macs, for some new machines.
I've been messing with Raspberry Pis, so I know Linux could run on ARM CPUs. >> But I guess that would take a lot of work.
I doubt it. I think that the market has made its decision and that they prefer raw power in the form of x86-64 CPUs rather than the objectively better ARM CPUs that provide a better balance of power and efficiency.
Add the fact that most of the world's most demanded software is already available for the x86-64 platform with no compromise in performance, and
the sale of a platform on which the speed is already a little worse (in multi-core settings, at least) and which would necessitate further speed compromises through emulation becomes more difficult.
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