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Andy Burns wrote:
Maria Sophia wrote:
Slowly the free cross-platform VPNs that don't require payment or
registration account are dwindling, which is too bad because the instant
you pay for anything or the instant you create an account, your privacy is >> toast since everything you do is logged to that transaction forever.
why is it in anyone's interest to provide such a VPN, are they behaving altruistically, or might they have ulterior motives? How do you decide
who to trust?
Hi Andy,
You don't need to trust the VPN provider's motives because you only need to trust the architecture of the system (remember we're not breaking the law).
Q: Does the VPN hide your network identity from the final destination?
Q: Does the architecture hide your real identity from the VPN provider?
*For privacy, motive is irrelevant. Architecture is everything.*
Normally I'd leave the answer at that, since that really is the answer.
The architecture is what protects you, not the stated motive.
People who worry more about motive are always those who know nothing of architecture, since they should worry more about architecture than motive.
That's why I usually deprecate such a question, but coming from you, whom I respect, I'll give a deeper response that matters, to me, to your issue.
First off, let me tell you *why* I deprecate that question, OK?
The reason is everyone who asks that, never has any useful suggestions.
That is, for the past two decades I've been posting about VPNs on Usenet, I hear the same "complaints" from people who never can add on-topic value.
So, I deprecate the question because in two decades of following free VPNs
on Usenet, I've never seen anyone ask that question who knows about VPN.
They're just worry worts.
They know nothing, in general, and even less, in specifics.
So that's why I don't really want to play psychologist to their fears.
But, I respect you, so I take your question seriously, even as I do note
that you didn't provide any solution to the problem set that was asked.
Nobody who complains about VPNs ever has anything to add, it turns out.
I wish that weren't true. But all you'd have to do is prove me wrong.
Secondly, who cares what their motive is for providing a free product?
As long as it hides your identity from the final site, why do you care?
How does it NOT hide your identity compared to a non-free product?
At least a free product only has your IP address to tie your ID to.
Thirdly, every VPN provider, free or not, has a set of privacy rules.
For example, did you check the privacy rules inherent in VPNGate.net?
They are extremely well respected and have been around for over 15 years.
I have *thousands* of their free VPN servers I rotate amongst every day.
Who is to say that this is a bad thing?
Fourthly, let's assume you actually do care why they're providing that VPN,
for free, such as with ProtonVPN, as just one common example out there.
What are you going to do with that information once you find it out?
We could go down the list of free VPN providers' motives, for example:
Q: Why does RiseupVPN say they provide VPN for free?
A: Because their political mission is to support activists and dissidents.
Q: Why does CalyxVPN say they provide VPN for free?
A: Because they're funded by donations to support privacy infrastructure.
Q: Why does VPNGate say they provide VPN for free?
A: To fight censorship and provide academic research data.
Q: Why does ProtonVPN say they provide VPN for free?
A: To upsell you to the paid tier.
Q: Why does Psiphon say they provide circumvention for free?
A: To bypass censorship in authoritarian countries.
Q: Why does Tor exist for free?
A: Because it's funded by NGOs and government research grants.
Q: Why does Cloudflare Warp exist for free?
A: To onboard users into Cloudflare's ecosystem & improve telemetry.
Q: Why does Snowflake exist for free?
A: To provide censorship-resistant bridges for Tor.
Q: Why does Mullvad offer anonymous vouchers?
A: Because their architecture is built around not knowing who you are.
Q: Why does Outline VPN exist for free?
A: To help journalists and NGOs deploy their own VPN servers
We could play this psychology game forever, Andy, right?
If the architecture prevents correlation, the motive is irrelevant.
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Worse, anyone who worries about motive without discussing architecture,
never has anything of value to add to the original question of which VPN.
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