• the worst PDA of all time

    From Retrograde@fungus@amongus.com.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 05:03:39 2026
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    Title: The worst PDA of all time
    Author: Thom Holwerda
    Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2026 19:18:35 +0000
    Link: https://www.osnews.com/story/145764/the-worst-pda-of-all-time/

    Today, you can get low-quality knockoffs of just about any popular
    smartphone on sites like AliExpress or Temu, whether they be iPhones,
    Galaxy phones, or whatever else. They have terrible build quality, bottom-of-the-barrel components and specifications, and all run outdated versions of Android rCo badly. At the same time, various consumer
    electronics brands, once popular in a bygone era, sell the rights to
    their brand name to unknown companies, who then put these brands on
    generic hardware to give their products a sheen of legitimacy. ThatrCOs
    why today, you can still buy Nokia smartphones, Polaroid cameras, and low-effort Hi-Fi equipment from various once-respected brands.

    None of this is new, however. In the late rCO90s and early 2000s,
    companies were already doing the same thing. In fact, thererCOs one device
    from this era which combines both business practices rCo itrCOs both a cheap knockoff of a wildly successful device, and it carries a once-revered
    brand name. Also, just to add some juice, this story involves stolen
    source code.

    LetrCOs take a look at the worst PDA of all time, the Olivetti daVinci.

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    In 1997, Palm launched the Palm Pilot, and it and its successors proved
    to be a massive hit. Where countless before it had failed, Palm found
    the magic formula to make pocket computing work. I wrote an in-depth
    article about Palm[6] over 13 years ago which goes into much (much) more detail, but the reason the Palm Pilot succeeded where things like the
    Newton, PenPoint OS, and Windows for Pen Computing failed, is that
    PalmrCOs founder, Jeff Hawkins, realised that they were competing with
    paper, not with desktop computers. Instead of trying to shove the
    capabilities of a full personal computer into a (barely) pockatable
    device, a pocket computer had to be as fast and convenient as paper, and therefore extremely strict about which features to add, and which to
    omit.

    To this day, the entirety of smartphone computing stands on the
    shoulders of Palm. PalmrCOs ideas, implementations, approaches, paradigms,
    and even people were absorbed by Apple and Google, where they shaped
    both iOS and Android. The phone yourCOre looking at right now has a ton of
    Palm DNA in it, still. After all, yourCOre still using the
    homescreen-with-apps paradigm Palm already perfected in the late rCO90s
    and early 2000s.

    The success of the Palm Pilot and its successors did not go unnoticed. Microsoft, most prominently, felt incredibly threatened by PalmrCOs
    success:

    The success of PalmrCOs products got the attention of Microsoft, and the company pretty much announced it was going to crush Palm. According to
    Hawkins, Microsoft had a sales conference, where, at some point, a big
    target appeared on the projector screen, with the Palm logo dead in
    the centre of it: rCLwe are going to crush and kill these guysrCY, was the central message. Hawkins recalls that he got condolence letters after
    that, stating things like rCLSorry Jeff. Too bad.rCY
    ra2 Thom Holwerda[6]

    While Microsoft proved to be unable to rCLkill and crushrCY Palm, it did
    manage to build a relatively successful business selling PDAs running
    various incarnations of Windows CE. Together, Palm and Microsoft
    dominated the PDA market pretty much throughout its entire existence,
    and while the market was a mere fraction of the smartphone market of
    today, other companies still wanted a piece of this pie too. One of
    these companies was Olivetti, a storied Italian company with a long
    history making typewriters, computers, and other electronics.

    IrCOm not going into detail about OlivettirCOs history[7], but the company
    was renowned for its attention to design[8], creating iconic products
    like the Lexikon 80[9], Lettera 22[10], Elea 9003[11], Programma
    101[12], and so, so many more. Olivetti also entered the personal
    computer market, first with a variety of custom machines featuring Z80
    and later Motorola 68000 processors running a variety of custom
    operating systems developed by Olivetti (including its own UNIX variant,
    X/OS). After a few machines using MIPS and Alpha processors in the early rCO90s, the company would eventually focus entirely on Intel-based PCs (including this amazing failure[13]) running Windows. Like so many other computer makers from that era, Olivetti eventually left the PC business
    by selling it off in 1997.

    To this day, Olivetti PCs tend to cost more on the used market than
    those from other brands, despite no technical merits dictating so.

    At around this time, our current story begins. Seeing the success of the
    Palm Pilot and the emergence of copycat devices running MicrosoftrCOs
    Windows CE, Olivetti wanted in on the action. And so, in the late rCO90s,
    the company introduced the Olivetti daVinci, a line of PDAs whose
    software looked suspiciously like Palm OS. ThererCOs not a ton of
    information out there about the development history, but it seems that
    while Olivetti designed the hardware, it contracted the development of
    the operating system out to a company from Hong Kong, Echolink Design.

    And this is where things went horribly wrong for Olivetti. The software Echolink Design developed for the daVinci didnrCOt just look like Palm OS,
    it was Palm OS rCo at least, according to Palm. After being on the market
    for about a year, the Palm Pilot maker, then a subsidiary of 3Com, filed
    for an injunction, alleging that the daVinci operating system designed
    by Echolink Design contained actual Palm OS source code. In addition,
    Palm also filed suit against CompanionLink Software, the company that
    developed the Outlook synchronisation software for the daVinci. Palm won handily, and within a day of the filing, temporary restraining orders
    were put in place on both Olivetti and CompanionLink, stopping sales of
    the daVinci and its software dead in its tracks.

    It seemed to have been a pretty clear-cut case. From The Wall Street
    Journal at the time:

    U.S. District Judge James Ware ruled OlivettirCOs Royal daVinci
    organizer contains software that appears to have been copied from the
    operating system for 3ComrCOs Palm organizers. Judge Ware said a review
    by a software expert found the daVinci software contains private Palm
    code and even grammatical mistakes that appear to have been rCLcopied verbatim.rCY
    ra2 Wall Street Journal Staff Reporter[14]

    ItrCOs difficult to ascertain what code, exactly, was stolen, but my
    personal educated guess is that it probably involved PalmrCOs unique
    Graffiti handwriting recognition system[15]. Graffiti actually predates
    the first Palm Pilot, and was available on a variety of non-Palm
    devices; it doesnrCOt seem entirely unlikely to me that the code for it
    escaped containment that way, eventually finding its way to Echolink
    Design. IrCOm just guessing here, though, as I canrCOt seem to find any of
    the original court documents concerning the case.

    In a bind, Olivetti claimed the copied code represented less than 2% of
    the operating systemrCOs code, and set about to release a new version of
    the software for the daVinci.

    [image 1 (link #17)][16]


    And so we end up at the device I have in my collection. Several years
    ago, I bought a boxed version of the Olivetti daVinci DV3, including all
    of its original accessories for a pittance on eBay, and IrCOve been
    fascinated and repulsed by this device ever since. It looks like a cheap
    Palm knockoff, and it feels like one too; the hardware is made out a
    really unpleasant form of plastic, with buttons worse than what you find
    on the cheapest possible pack-in remote control. The case feels creaky
    and unrefined, like the cheapest possible childrenrCOs toy.

    The display has a resolution of 128|u99, much lower than the 160|u160 of
    even the first Palm Pilot, and itrCOs incredibly dim and hard to read
    without the backlight on; even with the backlight on, itrCOs difficult to
    read anything. Worse yet, the various hardware tap targets on top of and
    at the bottom of the display are not backlit at all, making them
    unreadable in all but the most illuminated environments. Considering you
    need these buttons a lot, itrCOs a major stumbling block. Turning on the backlight is confusing, too, as it you need to hold down the on/off
    button (while the display is on) to engage it, something only mentioned
    in the manual.
    [image 2 (link #19)][18] [image 3 (link #21)][20]

    The display is, of course, a resistive touchscreen, as was the norm at
    the time, but its precision seems much lower than anything Palm ever
    offered. The accompanying stylus, too, is plasticky and cheap,
    definitely worse than the plastic styluses Palm shipped with its earlier models, and obviously no match for the metal styluses that would
    accompany later models.

    Finding out exactly what type of processor the daVinci DV3 uses is
    remarkably hard. A contemporary review by Smart Computing[22] claims
    itrCOs using an unspecified Epson processor, without giving any further details. ThererCOs only one source[23] that specifically states what
    processor it has, and considering that source is the only person to have written a third-party application for the DV3, IrCOm inclined to believe theyrCOre right (opening the device up is of no use, as the SoC is of the
    epoxy blob type[24]). According to them, the DV3 runs on a Sharp SM6010 microprocessor, for which a datasheet[25] and more detailed
    documentation[26] exists. The SM6010 is a very basic 16bit single-chip microcomputer of an unspecified architecture (probably something custom
    and proprietary), running at 30Mhz.

    The SM6010 is a 16-bit single-chip microcomputer incorporating a
    16-bit CPU core, LCD controller, watchdog timer, serial interface
    (UART, SCI), SIR, PWM output, real time clock, A/D converter and bus controller.
    ra2 Sharp SM6010 datasheet[25]

    The DV3 stores its operating system in flash memory rCo making it
    upgradable rCo and has 2MB of RAM, stated proudly all over the box and on
    a sticker on the device itself. Performance is actually not that bad,
    but itrCOs not quite as instant and responsive as Palm OS. The operating
    system and its user interface are rather inscrutable; there doesnrCOt seem
    to be a single home screen you can always go back to like on Palm OS,
    and closing/leaving applications/screens is done differently for each individual application/screen (tap the hardware rCLOKrCY button? An
    on-screen rCLOKrCY button? Press the cancel button? Tap one of the hardware application shortcuts atop the display? Who knows!).

    The core tools of the DV3 are incredibly basic, and cover merely the
    bare necessities of a PDA in the late rCO90s, with things like an address
    book, notes application, calendar, calculator, and a few others. ThererCOs
    no consistency among any of these tools, and they all look, feel, and
    work just differently enough to be confusing. The daVinci is also Very Seriousrao, as thererCOs no games or even a simple drawing gimmick; in fact, while there is a button labeled rCLApps.rCY, it doesnrCOt actually do anything (werCOll get back to that). ThererCOs barely any preferences to fiddle with either.

    Input is done via a terrible Graffiti ripoff called daVinci Script,
    which uses strokes much more cumbersome than its inspirator, not aided
    by the absolutely trash recognition algorithms. This input method is effectively unusable, as itrCOs impossible to predict which strokes will produce what character or action. Even something as simple as the
    right-to-left stroke to delete a character is entirely unreliable,
    ensuring this is more of a random character generator than a text input
    system. Luckily, thererCOs a tiny on-screen keyboard you can use to hunt
    and peck with the stylus, but this isnrCOt exactly a particularly fast
    input method either.

    ItrCOs hard to convey just how utterly terrible the software experience
    is, especially in 2026 when many people reading this lack the frame of reference of its time. This isnrCOt utter trash compared to what werCOre
    used to today rCo this is utter trash compared to the competing devices
    running Palm OS and Windows Pocket PC of its time. Even in 2026, I love
    using Palm OS and Pocket PC, but I absolutely despise, dread, and hate
    using the daVinci. IrCOm struggling to find a comparison with something contemporary, but the best I can come up with is like comparing an Apple
    Watch or WearOS device with one of those cheap knock-off smartwatches
    that run some shitty custom low-res UI on an underpowered SoC, but
    honestly, even that does a disservice to these knock-off smartwatches.
    [image 4 (link #28)][27] [image 5 (link #30)][29]

    The daVinci I have came with all of its original accessories. ThererCOs a
    vinyl pouch, a dock, and an external, fold-up keyboard. The pouch has
    not withstood the test of time, and has shrunk, so much so the daVinci
    no longer fits inside of it. The dock is, well, a dock, and uses the
    connector at the bottom of the daVinci. This connector looks and feels
    exactly like a crunchy ISA slot from the rCO80s, as if the PCB was cut off
    with a hacksaw. The keyboard is the most interesting, and can be
    connected straight to the devicerCOs bottom connector, or to a passthrough
    port at the back of the dock. Unsurprisingly, this keyboard is really
    bad, with dome-shaped mushy rubber keys with very little stability and a featherlight base that moves at the slightest of touches, making it
    almost impossible to type on.

    Thanks, I hate it.
    [image 6 (link #32)][31] [image 7 (link #34)][33]

    I mentioned the mysterious, non-functional rCLApps.rCY button earlier, and thererCOs actually a bit of history here. It turns out that Olivetti fully intended for people to write third-party applications for this thing,
    promising to release an SDK at some point in time. Of course, this never
    ended up happening as the daVinci is trash and nobody in their right
    mind bought one or would want to develop for it, but it does mean that somewhere out there, perhaps in an attic somewhere in Ivrea, Italy,
    thererCOs a dusty hard drive or CD-ROM carrying this unreleased official
    SDK.

    SDK or no, thererCOs always someone crazy, skilled, and determined enough
    to develop something for any computer, and for the daVinci DV3, that
    person was Alex Zwiesele. Zwiesele figured out that while the official
    SDK was never released, the CD-ROM that came with the daVinci DV3
    contained the entire operating system of the DV3 and a loader program.
    This was enough for Zwiesele and a few other people to start
    disassembling the operating system and inject their own custom code into
    the binary file, reassemble it, and load it onto the DV3 using the
    loader program.

    This was not a walk in the park. Zwiesele documented the entire process
    on their website[35], and it involved Zwiesele and several others
    writing their own disassembler and assembler (still available from their website[36]!) based on the available Sharp SM6010 documentation, as well
    as learning how to actually program for the devicerCOs hardware. In the
    end, they managed to develop an actual game for the daVinci DV3, a
    Breakout clone. You load the game onto your DV3 in the same way yourCOd
    load the operating system; as such, the game will replace the entire
    operating system and load automatically on power-on. ThatrCOs as far as
    they got back in 2003, as efforts seem to have stalled after that.

    Back when I bought my daVinci, about 6-7 years ago, I mentioned online
    that I had bought the worst PDA of all time, without mentioning it by
    name. Immediately, fellow hardcore PDA enthusiasts (we exist) knew I was talking about the daVinci. This thing is just plain trash, e-waste
    before the term had been popularised, a waste of everyonerCOs time,
    effort, and money. Not even its one redeeming quality rCo its low price of
    just $99 compared to the cheapest Palm device at $249 rCo could make
    anyone want to use it.

    Still, IrCOm glad I have it in my collection, if only to serve as a
    reminder that shitty e-waste devices arenrCOt something exclusive to our current smartphone era. It also serves to underline just how great Palm
    OS and Windows Pocket PC (yes, I will fight you on this) really were,
    and how many things they each got right out of the gate. So much so that especially Palm OS laid the foundations for every smartphone we use
    today.

    Now that IrCOve finally written and published this article, I can put this abomination back in its box, and never take it out again.

    Links:
    [1]: https://ko-fi.com/thomholwerda/goal?g=0 (link)
    [2]: https://www.osnews.com/story/145244/introducing-brand-new-osnews-merch-with-the-new-logo/ (link)
    [3]: https://www.bonfire.com/store/osnews/ (link)
    [4]: https://www.osnews.com/story/144982/the-21-years-and-20000-posts-osnews-fundraiser-a-euro-for-every-post/ (link)
    [5]: https://www.osnews.com/story/145459/you-paid-me-a-long-time-linux-user-to-use-windows-11-exclusively-for-a-month-heres-how-it-went/ (link)
    [6]: https://www.osnews.com/story/26838/palm-im-ready-to-wallow-now/ (link) [7]: https://italysegreta.com/the-utopist-visions-of-adriano-olivetti-designed-ideas/ (link)
    [8]: https://designwanted.com/brand-story-olivetti/ (link)
    [9]: https://www.moma.org/collection/works/2824 (link)
    [10]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Lettera_22 (link)
    [11]: https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-italian-computer-olivettis-elea-9003-was-a-study-in-elegant-ergonomic-design (link)
    [12]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programma_101 (link)
    [13]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Envision (link)
    [14]: https://archive.is/20250312002606/https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB934506794663444386#selection-5289.0-5293.16 (link)
    [15]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti_(Palm_OS) (link)
    [16]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_174813341-scaled.jpg (link)
    [17]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_174813341-1024x771.jpg (image)
    [18]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175328233-scaled.jpg (link)
    [19]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175328233-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [20]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175241196-scaled.jpg (link)
    [21]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175241196-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [22]: https://old-organizers.com/MorePicts/MP377.htm (link)
    [23]: https://www.dv3.info/Start-Englisch/Results/results.html (link)
    [24]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_board (link)
    [25]: https://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/43526/SHARP/SM6010.html (link)
    [26]: https://www.dv3.info/downloads/sm6010_ug.pdf (link)
    [27]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175252997-scaled.jpg (link)
    [28]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175252997-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [29]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175340485-scaled.jpg (link)
    [30]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175340485-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [31]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175201353-scaled.jpg (link)
    [32]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175201353-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [33]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175211717-scaled.jpg (link)
    [34]: https://www.osnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/PXL_20260814_175211717-771x1024.jpg (image)
    [35]: https://www.dv3.info/Start-Englisch/Results/Assembler_and_DV3/assembler_and_dv3.html (link)
    [36]: https://www.dv3.info/Downloads_/downloads_.html (link)

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 06:49:24 2026
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    On 23 Aug 2026 05:03:39 GMT, Retrograde wrote:

    The success of PalmrCOs products got the attention of Microsoft, and
    the company pretty much announced it was going to crush Palm.

    Not the first time. Around 1990 or not long after, Go Corp was working
    on a handheld platform that used handwriting recognition, called
    PenPoint.

    Microsoft promptly announced a competing product called rCLWindows For
    PenrCY (not rCLPen For WindowsrCY?). It never shipped, so it was pure vapourware. But the mere idea of its existence drove away potential
    investors and customers from Go, and the company sank without, as I
    recall, ever managing to bring its product to market.

    Notice, though, how MicrosoftrCOs FUD power has weakened each time it
    has wielded it: it destroyed Go, was only partially successful against
    Palm, failed against Linux, and was completely humiliated over
    Android.

    Nowadays I think it has learned to keep its carnivorousness on a leash
    over new products like the Steam Deck.

    Bonus fun fact: did you know Windows XP was designed from the ground
    up to support tablets with a pen interface? From his Comdex 2001
    keynote <https://news.microsoft.com/source/2001/11/11/gates-showcases-tablet-pc-xbox-at-comdex-says-new-digital-decade-technologies-will-transform-how-we-live/>:

    Unveiling prototypes of the new Tablet PC, Gates predicted that
    the Tablet would become the most popular form of PC within five
    years.

    Windows XP did well enough, but its tablet ambitions did not. Even the
    addition of multitouch in Vista (ptui!) didnrCOt help.
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  • From Retrograde@fungus@amongus.com.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 09:54:34 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 06:49:24 -0000 (UTC)
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Notice, though, how MicrosoftrCOs FUD power has weakened each time it
    has wielded it: it destroyed Go, was only partially successful against
    Palm, failed against Linux, and was completely humiliated over
    Android.

    Nowadays I think it has learned to keep its carnivorousness on a leash
    over new products like the Steam Deck.

    Bonus fun fact: did you know Windows XP was designed from the ground
    up to support tablets with a pen interface? From his Comdex 2001
    keynote

    I remember tablet technology at the time was pretty awful, basically a
    WinXP laptop folded back on itself, with too much weight, lousy pen
    interfaces, and all the hardware issues WinXP was known for, like
    unreliable suspend/restore, and the things had spinning rust hard
    drives in them. Lousy experience, no wonder nobody wanted crappy
    hardware with crappy software welded onto it.

    SSDs and all the advances of iphone/ipad and android tablets made
    tablets something worth using.

    Fond memories of when Billg and co would announce a competing product
    simply to dampen the enthusiasm of the market. Good Lord I hated that
    era.
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  • From Lane W@cactus_DAC@yahoo.com to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 12:53:06 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    Retrograde wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 06:49:24 -0000 (UTC)
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Notice, though, how MicrosoftrCOs FUD power has weakened each time it
    has wielded it: it destroyed Go, was only partially successful against
    Palm, failed against Linux, and was completely humiliated over
    Android.

    Nowadays I think it has learned to keep its carnivorousness on a leash
    over new products like the Steam Deck.

    Bonus fun fact: did you know Windows XP was designed from the ground
    up to support tablets with a pen interface? From his Comdex 2001
    keynote

    I remember tablet technology at the time was pretty awful, basically a
    WinXP laptop folded back on itself, with too much weight, lousy pen interfaces, and all the hardware issues WinXP was known for, like
    unreliable suspend/restore, and the things had spinning rust hard
    drives in them. Lousy experience, no wonder nobody wanted crappy
    hardware with crappy software welded onto it.

    SSDs and all the advances of iphone/ipad and android tablets made
    tablets something worth using.

    Fond memories of when Billg and co would announce a competing product
    simply to dampen the enthusiasm of the market. Good Lord I hated that
    era.


    Trey took time off this Fall in old Albuquerque;
    His own software business, we hope not a turkey.
    (The profits are murky).

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 22:27:26 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 09:54:34 -0600, Retrograde wrote:

    I remember tablet technology at the time was pretty awful, basically
    a WinXP laptop folded back on itself, with too much weight, lousy
    pen interfaces, and all the hardware issues WinXP was known for,
    like unreliable suspend/restore ...

    Funny how that hasnrCOt changed. TodayrCOs Windows-based gaming handhelds
    still have trouble managing the battery properly -- another area in
    which the Linux-based competition is doing a noticeably better job.

    Fond memories of when Billg and co would announce a competing
    product simply to dampen the enthusiasm of the market. Good Lord I
    hated that era.

    Most of us (who were not complete Microsoft nuts) did. But MicrosoftrCOs
    power to wield that kind of destruction is, thankfully, now only a
    shadow of its former self.

    How come? Partly from overpromising and underdelivering too many
    times; partly also because Windows is simply not flexible enough to
    keep up with all the new ways people want to use computing power.
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  • From Theo@theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 23:36:16 2026
    From Newsgroup: comp.misc

    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 06:49:24 -0000 (UTC)
    Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Notice, though, how MicrosoftrCOs FUD power has weakened each time it
    has wielded it: it destroyed Go, was only partially successful against Palm, failed against Linux, and was completely humiliated over
    Android.

    Nowadays I think it has learned to keep its carnivorousness on a leash
    over new products like the Steam Deck.

    Bonus fun fact: did you know Windows XP was designed from the ground
    up to support tablets with a pen interface? From his Comdex 2001
    keynote

    I remember tablet technology at the time was pretty awful, basically a
    WinXP laptop folded back on itself, with too much weight, lousy pen interfaces, and all the hardware issues WinXP was known for, like
    unreliable suspend/restore, and the things had spinning rust hard
    drives in them. Lousy experience, no wonder nobody wanted crappy
    hardware with crappy software welded onto it.

    I have one of those - a Toshiba Portege M200 from 2004. I really should dig
    it out and reinstall Windows XP Tablet Edition. I used it until 2013
    running Debian (towards the end on an SSD, once I'd found a compatible PATA
    to SATA adapter). 32-bit Centrino CPU and up to 2GB of RAM, with a very
    nice (for the time) 1400x1050 display.

    I didn't make as much use of the tablet features as I thought I would - at
    3kg it was too heavy to hold as a tablet, and it turns out what you want to
    do with tablets is pick them up, not rest them flat on a desk. Windows' handwriting recognition and dictation wasn't great. The Wacom EMR digitiser was pretty nice though.

    I've been thinking it might be handy to resurrect as a writing surface...
    but I don't need a writing surface. It also could be useful for running old car diagnostic software as it's pretty solid, but I already set up an old Macbook for that. The battery health may not be great, but it's just 18650s
    so should be easy to re-cell.

    Theo
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  • From not@not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) to comp.misc on Mon Aug 24 08:36:58 2026
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    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:
    On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 06:49:24 -0000 (UTC)
    I remember tablet technology at the time was pretty awful, basically a
    WinXP laptop folded back on itself, with too much weight, lousy pen interfaces, and all the hardware issues WinXP was known for, like
    unreliable suspend/restore, and the things had spinning rust hard
    drives in them. Lousy experience, no wonder nobody wanted crappy
    hardware with crappy software welded onto it.

    Well the one big advantage of the 1990s tablet I've got is unlike
    modern ones the software isn't "welded onto it". It's a standard PC architecture, complete with PCMCIA, so none of the software horrors
    of ARM platforms which have rendered the other tablet I've got
    useless.

    SSDs and all the advances of iphone/ipad and android tablets made
    tablets something worth using.

    Bah, those things _aren't_ worth using - they only exist in
    software hell, and offer no hardware expansion opportunities. Mind
    you I've never really had a good use for any tablet/smartphone, but
    with the cost of printer paper tripling here in Aus I'm thinking
    the old one might be good to use as a document viewer instead of
    printing out long documents to read. It's no heavier than many
    books.
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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?=@ldo@nz.invalid to comp.misc on Sun Aug 23 23:50:59 2026
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    On 23 Aug 2026 23:36:16 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    I didn't make as much use of the tablet features as I thought I
    would - at 3kg it was too heavy to hold as a tablet, and it turns
    out what you want to do with tablets is pick them up, not rest them
    flat on a desk.

    There was a phrase that originated in the early days of touchscreen
    tablets: rCLGorilla armrCY. Touchscreens donrCOt work well when horizontal; they need to be angled up. But then there is no support for the hand
    with the finger you are using to touch them with, so after prolonged
    use your arm muscles get tired and need a rest.
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