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Who knew that electronic parts are now making up an appreciable part
of the cost of a car <https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ai-memory-shortage-is-now-increasing-the-price-of-cars-gm-warns-of-vast-cost-increases-byd-hikes-driver-assistance-prices-20-percent>:

Micron said in 2023 that the average vehicle used 90GB of DRAM and
NAND, and itrCOs expecting this combined requirement to jump to
278GB by 2026, with high-end models requiring up to 2TB. A British
OEM broke down the memory requirements of vehicles released this
year rCo infotainment systems require between 4GB and 16GB, ADAS and
safety systems need 8GB to 32GB, while centralized systems often
have a minimum requirement of 16GB and could go as high as 64GB or
more.

This is even before you get into self-driving capability and other
AI-type features:

And as AI assistants start becoming available on cars, these
systems will require at least 256GB of memory. In fact, Micron
predicts that cars with level 4 autonomy will need at least 300GB
of RAM, as theyrCOre essentially supercomputers on wheels.

Of course, these are all special ruggedized electronic components,
built to withstand the more hostile conditions inside a vehicle, as
opposed to a home or office environment.
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New cars have been awful for decades. They keep getting worse, too.
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Who knew that electronic parts are now making up an appreciable part
of the cost of a car <https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ai-memory-shortage-is-now-increasing-the-price-of-cars-gm-warns-of-vast-cost-increases-byd-hikes-driver-assistance-prices-20-percent>:

<snip>

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same
way they did in the 70s and 80s. No computers and
very easy to fix :)
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John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Who knew that electronic parts are now making up an appreciable part
of the cost of a car
<https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ai-memory-shortage-is-now-increasing-the-price-of-cars-gm-warns-of-vast-cost-increases-byd-hikes-driver-assistance-prices-20-percent>:

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same
way they did in the 70s and 80s. No computers and
very easy to fix :)

You ever had to do a carb rebuild? There are times when I would rather
fight with computers. Don't get me started on synchronizing multiple carbs.
Or vacuum advance issues....
--scott
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On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:55:49 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same way they did in
the 70s and 80s.

They do
<https://morgan-motor.com/our-story/21st-century-coach-building/>. But
who wants to buy them?
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Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jul 2026 15:55:49 -0000 (UTC), John McCue wrote:

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same way they did in
the 70s and 80s.

They do
<https://morgan-motor.com/our-story/21st-century-coach-building/>. But
who wants to buy them?

Oh, I would LOVE to buy a Morgan. Note that although Morgan is still
making coachbuilt bodies, they are using modern Ford engines with Getrag transmissions so you're back to OBD-II diagnostics and dealing with
computers and feedback loops.

For a while, Morgan was talking about selling a 4/4 with an electric
induction motor but keeping the Getrag. They made a prototype but
didn't get enough interest. Car and Driver said it was fun to drive,
though.

Morgan is backordered years on the 4/4 and they are definitely not cheap.
So clearly some people with money want to buy them.
--scott
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In article <1142u66$cii$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same
way they did in the 70s and 80s. No computers and
very easy to fix :)

You ever had to do a carb rebuild? There are times when I would rather
fight with computers.

The difficulty of rebuilding a carburetor is overrated. Whether it's a
dinky 1-bbl off a generator or a Quadrajet atop an Olds 350, if you're methodical in your work, it's usually a simple and straightforward job to disassemble the whole thing, clean off the accumulated grime and varnish,
and put it back together with new gaskets and (maybe) a new float and needle valve.

Last one I did was just a couple months ago on the aforementioned generator, which I'd let sit with ethanol-adulterated fuel a bit too long after a
campout. I'll admit to just buying a whole new carburetor for it (only
about $30 on Amazon), but I ended up having to swap the throttle stepper
motor between old and new because the wiring didn't match between them. I
kept the old carb afterward...might clean it out and keep it as a spare.
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Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:

In article <1142u66$cii$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

To bad they cannot go back and build cars the same
way they did in the 70s and 80s. No computers and
very easy to fix :)

You ever had to do a carb rebuild? There are times when I would rather >>fight with computers.

The difficulty of rebuilding a carburetor is overrated. Whether it's a
dinky 1-bbl off a generator or a Quadrajet atop an Olds 350, if you're methodical in your work, it's usually a simple and straightforward job to disassemble the whole thing, clean off the accumulated grime and varnish,
and put it back together with new gaskets and (maybe) a new float and needle valve.

Yeah, the perceived difficulty is usually inversely proportional to the jobber's experience in rebuilding them. Years ago I'd take apart and reassemble lawnmower carbs just to clean them out enough to get the
dang thing to start after a winter over. I never considered doing so
as being any great big deal at all.

Nowadays I just plug in the ego battery, and the mower spins up when
the handle is pulled. :) Which I'll admit is easier overall than the takeapart and reassemble job was.
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Lawrence DrCOOliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

Who knew that electronic parts are now making up an appreciable part
of the cost of a car <https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ram/ai-memory-shortage-is-now-increasing-the-price-of-cars-gm-warns-of-vast-cost-increases-byd-hikes-driver-assistance-prices-20-percent>:

Micron said in 2023 that the average vehicle used 90GB of DRAM and
NAND, and itrCOs expecting this combined requirement to jump to
278GB by 2026, with high-end models requiring up to 2TB. A British
OEM broke down the memory requirements of vehicles released this
year rCo infotainment systems require between 4GB and 16GB, ADAS and
safety systems need 8GB to 32GB, while centralized systems often
have a minimum requirement of 16GB and could go as high as 64GB or
more.

This is even before you get into self-driving capability and other
AI-type features:

And as AI assistants start becoming available on cars, these
systems will require at least 256GB of memory. In fact, Micron
predicts that cars with level 4 autonomy will need at least 300GB
of RAM, as theyrCOre essentially supercomputers on wheels.

Of course, these are all special ruggedized electronic components,
built to withstand the more hostile conditions inside a vehicle, as
opposed to a home or office environment.

Up to 2TB of DRAM, without AI? Something tells me they didn't care about optimization at all.
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